NFL 2010 Off Season Thread

[Supreme Olajuwon]

BTW I don't mean for those questions to be rhetorical. I really want to know why he shouldn't get more money if he has the opportunity.

[Ermaximus]

If a guy is clearly worth the money then I say more power to them. Clearly in his defense, he is worth the money, but I just don't get why he'd want to restructure his contract so quickly after having just done so, but that's why he is the professional football player and I'm not.

[IC Champion]

Who cares about fault? This has nothing to do with fault. This is about obligation and opportunity. He has the opportunity to make more money, and the rules of the league don't oblige him to honor his contract, so why can't he make more money?

Well his obligation is to the team in which he is under contract and paying him. His opportunity to make more money will be when his contract is up in 5 years, or he can sit out and get paid nothing. It's ridiculous that a guy who just HAD his contract restructured, for a second time, is looking for another contract. He had his chance to make more money 3 years ago.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah it's ridiculous. No question about it. But like every player in the NFL, he's working under a broken system that allows people to renege on their contracts. Until the league changes the rules, which it probably will when the lockout happens, then good players can take advantage of their stature and hold out for more money.

And why shouldn't they? I'm begging you or anyone to answer this question.

[Gonzo]

Fuck, if I was a player I would want to get paid whenever it was prudent.

Teams can back out of contracts with players at essentially any time. Holding out is the player's only option to get paid. Look at someone like Chris Johnson. He is still under his rookie contract, and is going to make less than a million this year, like every year so far, to be one of the most productive RBs in the NFL. Unfortunately, since the CBA talks are ongoing, the Titans can't even pay him that much more than he is making even if they wanted to. The only way around it is for the Titans to pay a large sum in the form of a signing bonus. For the Titans, that would be foolish, because at any point on any one play Johnson could get hurt and they lose all that money for no production.

It's a shitty system. I hope they get it worked out.

[Team Sheep]

Bought Jets vs Ravens tickets last night. Roll on September! :D

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Teams and owners don't get to renegeoiate deals with players they feel they are over-paying,Yeah they can. They can tell a player we gotta renegotiation or you're gone. Same thing Andre Johnson is saying he is gonna do, we gotta renegotiate or I'm not playing. He won't do it though

Plus guaranteed money isn't even always guaranteed. Mike Vick had to pay back some of his signing bonus didn't he? That makes no sense to me.

[McLegend]

And the owners want a lock out.

It's ridiculous.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's a little more complicated than that. Players want a higher percentage of the league's overall revenues, which may not seem like that big of a deal but it can get pretty complicated. Especially when the salary cap has been set off of the AVERAGE revenues of all 32 teams, so for a team like the Redskins (most profitable team in the NFL) only about 50% of their revenues goes towards paying players where as a team like the Vikings (least profitable team in the NFL) sees about 75% of theirs going towards paying players. That happens because the players are getting 62% of the average figure. It doesn't take into account what each individual team profits or has to pay out to players. The cap & the average helps eliminate the problems that other leagues have with teams w/ the most money spending the most on players but it can create problems for teams on the "business" side.

Plus some owners want more revenue sharing & others don't, right now they only share the gate, TV money & sales from licensed NFL products. Teams that make a ton of money really don't want to share a lot of the other things that create revenue, such as luxury box sales, naming rights, concession sales, etc. Teams that do want to increase revenue sharing no longer want to see such a large percentage of their revenues going towards playing the players when other franchises aren't paying anywhere near the same percentage.

Professional sports are pretty complicated and aren't run or operated like a lot of "normal" businesses, they really can't be when you think about it. They even play under a different set of rules from the government, a lot of anti-trust laws don't apply the same way as they would for every other business.

[RP]

My favorite part of the whole lockout is that Indianapolis's Superbowl goes poof. It's great. People think Lebron leaving Cleveland is devestating. Indy losing the Superbowl in 2012 is devestating. The money that has been put into this already. I'm gunna be crushed.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Indy is getting the Superbowl in 2012? I did not know that.

I know they got a new stadium but I don't really see Indianapolis as a hot spot for a Super Bowl. I'm sure it's a great city and everything but I've never felt, or have I ever heard anyone say, "Wow I really wanna take a trip to Indianapolis!"

I guess they've had Superbowls in other locations like that but at least they were in warmer climates. Can't imagine it's too nice in February in Indy

[RP]

wear a coat

[Supreme Olajuwon]

They make the Final Four and Indy 500 work, I'm sure they can handle the Super Bowl

[DaveBrawl]

Indy 500 is in May though, far cry from the weather in early February most of the time. I do think they would definitely make it work though.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

They did it in Detroit 4 years ago and the winters there are brutal. I think it'll be fine.

[DaveBrawl]

Yeah that's true too.

[RP]

they're building a olympic village like place in downtown indy.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>If the New Meadowlands Stadium gets rave reviews next year, the NFL should quit being a bunch of nancies and hold the Super Bowl there in 2014 or whenever the next year is that hasn't already been booked.</font>

[OssMan]

nah

[FearedSanctity]

I'm sure NY will get the votes from most of the cold weather teams, maybe boost their hopes of getting it one day

[FearedSanctity]

As Gary Myers of the New York Daily News pointed out in late March, 11 teams were inclined to support the bid: the Giants, Jets, Patriots, Falcons, Eagles, Cowboys, Browns, Chargers, Packers, Vikings, and Broncos.

Five teams were opposed: the Texans, Steelers, Bills, Cardinals, and Ravens. The Buccaneers and the Dolphins presumably are part of this crowd, too, given that they also are trying to get the game.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Cold weather Super Bowls are dumb. It should be about who has the best team, not who adjusts to the weather.

[Skippord]

you could argue that the best team is the one who adjusts to situations better

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Thanks Denver

[McLegend]

Thanks for you take Skip Bayless.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's supposed to be a neutral site. Field advantages are for the playoffs, not the Super Bowl.

[FearedSanctity]

Unless by some off chance the host team gets to the Super Bowl, of course

[McLegend]

It's supposed to be a neutral site. Field advantages are for the playoffs, not the Super Bowl.

I actually do agree. I wouldn't mind seeing a Super Bowl in the snow however.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Unless by some off chance the host team gets to the Super Bowl, of course

That'll be solved once they move the game to Wembley

[Evil Vito]

you could argue that the best team is the one who adjusts to situations better

<font color=goldenrod>This. It could also be argued that a team that plays in the cold throughout the entire playoffs would feel out of their element in warm weather.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Right, but that argument is stupid and clearly worse than the argument against playing in cold weather.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>What really irks me is that NFL has also said they do it "for the fans", making it sound as though not having it in a warm or domed place would hurt attendance. Bullshit. The fans would go to the Super Bowl even if it was in Lambeau Field and the temperatures were as they were during the 2007 NFC Title game.</font>

[RP]

It could also be argued that Sean Payton only draws up his best plays while strung out on stolen vicodin.

[Team Sheep]

The only place they would consider holding an outdoor Super Bowl in a cold winter climate is New York City. Looks like it'll probably happen in 2014.

[Innovator]

Cold weather games arefucking great to go to, minus the chance of frostbite

[Droford]

If there was another choice besides Florida I think they wouldnt go with NJ, but Miami and Tampa have had the superbowl like 1/3 of the time.

I wonder why Baltimore was opposed..

[Innovator]

Imagine if the Colts played in a Superbowl in Baltimore

[Droford]

I doubt they'd ever play a Super Bowl in Baltimore..

Imagine if the Ravens played the Super Bowl in Indy!

[Droford]

NY/NJ wins!

Itd be funny if it ends up being Jets/Giants.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>And the 2014 Super Bowl goes to New York!!!

*crotch chop to everybody that opposed it*</font>

[Innovator]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Finally New York was able to grab the sporting world spotlight away from places like Jacksonville, Florida and Tempe, Arizona. This should give the city some much needed publicity and attention.

[Innovator]

EXACTLY Supreme

[FearedSanctity]

Let's get a Super Bowl in Denver now. A battle of football, oxygen and snow

(Will never happen :'()

[Ermaximus]

Let's get a Super Bowl in Denver now. A battle of football, oxygen and snow

(Will never happen :'()
There's always 2015? Maybe by then Tim Tebow will be your starting QB and he'll have won 3 MVP trophies and 2 Super Bowls? :shifty:

[FearedSanctity]

Nah, this will def be the only cold weather Super Bowl for a while. Too big a risk for a blizzard hitting and fucking everything up.

[RP]

I need to import some hoes tonight

[McLegend]

Everybody always has to help out New York.

It's so gay.

[DaveWadding]

Finally New York was able to grab the sporting world spotlight away from places like Jacksonville, Florida and Tempe, Arizona. This should give the city some much needed publicity and attention.

Yeah, the last time the Super Bowl was in Tempe was awesome. Super Bowl XXX.

[Innovator]

Everybody always has to help out New York.

It's so gay.
This opens it up for Philly, you know that right?

[OssMan]

Fucking Super Bowl in New Jersey, what the fuck is this

[McLegend]

This opens it up for Philly, you know that right?

Nah, New York will just get it again.

[Innovator]

Nah, New York will just get it again.
Or Philly would trade it to Washington

[McLegend]

Or Philly would trade it to Washington

Nah man. It will go to New York again.

They have a Super bowl in Old Yankee Stadium, New Yankee Stadium, the ruins of Shea Statidum, and Citi Field.

They'll even dig up the Polo Grounds and Ebbets Field and have the Super Bowl there befrore they put the Super Bowl in Philadelphia.

[Innovator]

You forgot Hilltop Park

[Reavant]

Indy is getting the Superbowl in 2012? I did not know that.

I know they got a new stadium but I don't really see Indianapolis as a hot spot for a Super Bowl. I'm sure it's a great city and everything but I've never felt, or have I ever heard anyone say, "Wow I really wanna take a trip to Indianapolis!"

I guess they've had Superbowls in other locations like that but at least they were in warmer climates. Can't imagine it's too nice in February in Indy

you realize the rule for a city having a superbowl is the event has to either be in warm weather or a dome.... like how the superbowl was in detroit not too long ago

[McLegend]

Apparently come 2014 that rule no longer applies.

[Gonzo]

Apparently come 2014 that rule no longer applies.

The rule was waived for the 2014 Superbowl.

[OssMan]

If you think it's a bad idea to have a superbowl in New Jersey, why would it be a better idea to have one in Philadelphia.

[McLegend]

If you think it's a bad idea to have a superbowl in New Jersey, why would it be a better idea to have one in Philadelphia.

I don't think it would be good to idea to have a Super Bowl in Philadelphia.

[FearedSanctity]

Fuck my entire life

Dear Brandon,
Congratulations!

Your wait on the Broncos Waiting List is over, and you are now eligible to purchase Denver Broncos season tickets. Your 2010 season ticket package consists of 2 preseason home games, 8 regular season home games, and the ability to purchase any home playoff games.

Was not expecting this until next year. I JUST got a new job and I have to buy the tickets by June 9th.

In fairness to those who continue to wait for seats, if you elect not to purchase season tickets for the 2010 season, you have the option of moving to the end of the waiting list (about a 7 to 10 year wait) or being removed from the season ticket waiting list.

[RP]

Fuck my entire life



Was not expecting this until next year. I JUST got a new job and I have to buy the tickets by June 9th.

do it bro

[FearedSanctity]

Denver Broncos 2010 Season Tickets

Denver Broncos Football 2010 Season

Saturday August 21, 2010, 7:00 PM Detroit Lions
Sunday August 29, 2010, 6:00 PM Pittsburgh Steelers
Sunday September 19, 2010, 2:05 PM Seattle Seahawks
Sunday September 26, 2010, 2:15 PM Indianapolis Colts
Sunday October 17, 2010, 2:05 PM New York Jets
Sunday October 24, 2010, 2:15 PM Oakland Raiders
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:05 PM Kansas City
Sunday November 28, 2010, 2:15 PM St. Louis
Sunday December 26, 2010, 2:05 PM Houston Texans
Sunday January 2, 2011, 2:15 PM San Diego Chargers
:mad:

[RP]

skip that one. We already know how that will end.

[FearedSanctity]

No way I'll have the money to buy these, haven't even gotten a check yet and won't until June 11th.

I'm not even in CO yet, because again I wasn't expecting this until at least a year from now, but I'd buy them this year and resell each just to maintain my spot. Fucking moved up almost 2000 spots in one year, come on

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You gotta find a way bro. You're taking a hit now, but do you know how much profit you'd get from selling just your Steelers, Colts, and Jets tickets? That doesn't even include the divisional games. Take out a freaking loan if you have to.

[FearedSanctity]

Maybe someone with a season ticket history can answer this one, but if I buy 1 this year, will I still be able to get 2 next year? I'm on the list for 2, but no way I can afford more than one this year. When I go to buy tickets its let's me order up to 4 or 5, but I dunno if that's just for the initial purchase and it'll remember for the future or if it'll just apply to this year

Plz halp

[Emperor Smeat]

Depends if anyone else buys the seats next to your seat since a season ticket only guarantees the seat or seats you reserved that year (or in set of years).

If the team is a big name or has high demand tickets then it probably won't be possible (ex. Packers in NFL, Red Sox in MLB, Maple Leafs in NHL).

Edit: Only read the last post before replying but since your getting Broncos tickets and the email told you about the whole waiting list, you most likely won't be able to buy that 2nd seat if you skip out this year.

[RoXer]

How much are they and where are the seats?

[FearedSanctity]

At best, $440 per season ticket for the seats way up in the nosebleeds, but centered right in the middle of the stadium in the seats with the Broncos logo painted on them

At worst, $770 for endzone/plaza level seating for either end.

First year ticket holders are limited to what sections they can buy for, but after the first year they can upgrade.

Think I remember reading something about that current holders get first dibs on new seats, but I'm not sure if that applies to adding new seats. All I know is they say the most you can have at one time is 4. Will have to research more when I get home

[FearedSanctity]

At best, $440 per season ticket for the seats way up in the nosebleeds, but centered right in the middle of the stadium in the seats with the Broncos logo painted on them

At worst, $770 for endzone/plaza level seating for either end.

First year ticket holders are limited to what sections they can buy for, but after the first year they can upgrade.

Think I remember reading something about that current holders get first dibs on new seats, but I'm not sure if that applies to adding new seats. All I know is they say the most you can have at one time is 4. Will have to research more when I get home

[FearedSanctity]

Fucking phone double posting and not being able to edit or delete

[Skippord]

The nosebleeds at invesco are nice

except for the altitude sickness you get when going to them

[Gonzo]

Wait, you mean $440 for the entire package per season ticket (ie 2 preseason, 8 home, plus potential playoffs?)

If that's the case, charge it and upgrade when feasible. My dad and I are paying $120 per game for mezzanine level tickets this year.

[Droford]

The nosebleeds at invesco are nice

except for the altitude sickness you get when going to them

Maybe they should call them the pass out seats.

[FearedSanctity]

Wait, you mean $440 for the entire package per season ticket (ie 2 preseason, 8 home, plus potential playoffs?).

Yes, sir. And it turns out it's actually slightly cheaper. Guess it's because Denver isn't the market NY/NJ is

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/289/ticketsz.jpg

[Gonzo]

Dude you gotta do it. It may be a burden financially, but at the worst you sell off the tickets this year. You may even make a profit. If you don't get them you'll be kicking yourself. My dad and I are paying a small fortune for Giants season tickets, but once we pay the PSL the cost of the actual tickets (in my opinion) isn't vastly unreasonable. The Giants season ticket waiting list is a lot longer than 7-10 years too, so that factored in to our decision. My dad was on the list for about 25 years.

[FearedSanctity]

Oh trust me, if I had $420 and had to pay bills or buy these tickets, it'd be time to break out candles and bottled water. But as it stands I have a whopping $25 to my name. I just started a new job and won't be getting a check until either June 10th or 11th, and the deadline is the 9th.

[FearedSanctity]

I signed up just for kicks when I was 17, so to be 21 and be in a position to do this is incredible

[Crimson]

LenDale White, CUT . So the Seahawks basically gave away 2 draft picks to the Titans. But his work ethic really must've sucked or something to get cut this early.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rumor is he failed a drug test or the NFL Substance Abuse test and was going to be hit with a 4 game suspension.

Seahawks most likely cut him to save on his salary cost knowing he's not available for 1/4 of the season.

[Hanso Amore]

I also heard he showd up with an attitude coupled with the above was not worth the effort

[Hanso Amore]

LenDale White, CUT . So the Seahawks basically gave away 2 draft picks to the Titans. But his work ethic really must've sucked or something to get cut this early.

No they did not.


They SWAPPED 4th and 6th picks

So they gave Lendale White, Vickson, and 2 picks

For 2 higher picks.

They didnt give anyting away. they moved back

[Hanso Amore]

I got Bills seasons in front row 300 level for 330 a piece last season

[Droford]

Shayne Graham will more than likely be kicking FGs for the Ravens, 1 year deal worth up the $2.5 million. I saw more than likely because they keep saying that there will be competition with Billy Cundiff but seriously Shayne Graham >>>> Billy Cundiff so it shouldn't be that much of a competition.

[Nark Order]

Go 9ers. Go Bolts.

That's all I got for now.

[MTH15]

F.A.L.C.O.N.S. M.A.T.T.Y. F.U.C.K.I.N.G. I.C.E.

[RP]

Go 9ers. Go Bolts.

That's all I got for now.


I kinda feel like if you root for more then one team, you're a shitty football fan.

[Team Sheep]

Go 9ers. Go Bolts.

That's all I got for now.

You support 2 teams? Cock.

[DaveBrawl]

Forget the fact that he supports 2 teams, look which 2 teams he supports.

[Ermaximus]

Forget the fact that he supports 2 teams, look which 2 teams he supports.

I support 3, but rooting for the Jaguars is an automatic pass.

[DaveBrawl]

Yeah I have no problem with people supporting multiple teams or whatever but I can't stand by while he throws support behind San Diego. :lol:

[Innovator]

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHES

[Innovator]

Hixon is out for the season. Gonna need a new return man.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Fuck. Rolle is blaming the injury on the new FieldTurf.

Looks like Aaron Ross is gonna take the return man job for now.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5328/p1000205f.jpg

SuperBowl ring, mofos..

[Innovator]

The Panthers WR broke his arm while horsing around at his football camp. No, it wasn't on this high-five, but it was almost as embarrassing.
Steve Smith mostly survived seven years of being hung out to dry over the middle by Jake Delhomme (with only a broken leg and fractured arm to show for it.) I'm not sure if facing an eight-year-old QB at his youth camp was an upgrade or not, but things didn't end well there either.
Smith was playing defensive back, for some reason, in a game of flag football with his campers. He reached for an overthrown ball and tumbled to the ground, breaking his arm near the same place as he did last season. He had a plate put in late last night, and will miss much of training camp.
The Steve Smith Football Camp (http://www.procamps.com/stevesmith) experience sounds like a good time. For just $189, campers get to spend the weekend extinguishing any playoff hopes the Panthers might have had. And also they get a t-shirt.
Panthers star Steve Smith suffers broken arm (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/06/21/1515581/panthers-star-steve-smith-suffers.html) [Charlotte Observer]

[Favre4Ever]

that has potential to be one of the most embarrassing injuries ever.

[Gonzo]

The most embarrassing injury ever was when Gus Frerotte gave himself a concussion running into the wall in the back of the endzone and head butting it on purpose in celebration of a TD. Fucking retard.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Skippord]

Brian Griese tripped over his own dog and dislocated his shoulder

[Ermaximus]

Brian Griese tripped over his own dog and dislocated his shoulder

:rofl: So Tebow is now the backup QB?

[DaveBrawl]

That Griese thing was years ago, he also claimed he tripped over it a second time I think.

As for Tebow he will likely be the 2nd string qb barring an injury.

[Nervous Ferret]

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b84f69e2010536ce85d8970b-pi

[Ermaximus]

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b84f69e2010536ce85d8970b-pi

Yea, but he's a kicker and they aren't important. :shifty:

[Droford]

Marc Bulger signed a 1 year deal with the Ravens.

My guess is Troy Smith is going somewhere since he wanted to be traded. They also have John Beck and theres no reason to carry 4 QBs.

[FearedSanctity]

That Griese thing was years ago, he also claimed he tripped over it a second time I think.

As for Tebow he will likely be the 2nd string qb barring an injury.

3rd string, actually.

And oddly enough, on gamedays he'll be active over Brady (lol) due to his versatility

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants' 3rd round pick Chad Jones got into a single car crash and had to be rushed to surgery as nerves and arteries were exposed. Amputation was avoided and both of his legs were saved.

Damn. Hope he can make a full recovery. I doubt he will ever play football again, but I'm sure that's the furthest thing from his mind right now.</font>

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1bb8f8b

[Crimson]

Damn! sucks..hope he makes a full recovery

[FearedSanctity]

Oh shiiii

http://www.denverpost.com/broncoshea...mpaign=twitter

By Woody Paige
The Denver Post
Posted: 06/27/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT


John Elway and Josh McDaniels loathe losing more than bare-knuckle champion Jim Corbett detested solar plexus punches and ancient Athenians hated solar eclipses.

Josh & John lost bad the other day.

As teammates for the first time, El and McD were beaten in a golf match at Cherry Hills Country Club by a pair of gadflies — Joe Ellis, Broncos chief operating officer, and Mark Thewes, the coach's assistant. "We lost by one," McDaniels said.

But the game was a win-win for the Broncos, McDaniels and Elway in a new partnership.

Ellis said Saturday: "I think the 4½ hours John and Josh spent together was great for them and the franchise."

McDaniels said: "I've really enjoyed being around John. He means so much to the Broncos, Denver and the NFL. We've had fun, and I look forward to John having a relationship with the Broncos, Pat Bowlen and me well into the future."

Elway said: "I've gotten to know Josh, and I'd like to get to know him even better and assist him and the Broncos whatever way I can. Josh knows what he wants and how to get there."

Elway, who engineered more comebacks than any other quarterback in NFL history, wants one more comeback with the Broncos.

The Broncos want John to come back.

The Broncos and Elway have agreed that the Hall of Fame quarterback will be an asset with the team's business operations in "marketing initiatives," particularly in advance of the team's game in London, and will observe practices and consult with McDaniels on football matters.

This is a super development. It was too long coming. Lamentably, the Broncos and Elway have been estranged since he retired 11 years ago.

Elway will be a half-century old on Monday. He joined the Broncos more than a quarter-century ago. He was, and remains, the face of the franchise.

In our conversation about his 50th birthday, Elway was emphatic about "getting involved" with the Broncos again "and see where it goes from there."

Ellis said the Broncos and Elway have "low-keyed" his return, but Bowlen "is happy about John's interest. After all, John not only raised the Broncos to a championship level, but he was one of the few players responsible for raising the entire level of attention for the NFL.

"Of course, we want him involved with the Broncos. We want John coming to our headquarters, talking football and helping us in many different areas."

Echoing Elway's words, Ellis said: "We'll see where it leads."

McDaniels opens door

The Hall of Fame quarterback attended a recent minicamp workout (closed to the media, so it went unreported). McDaniels told me Saturday that Elway is "welcome any time to Dove Valley. I look forward to that as head coach. He is the greatest Bronco of all time and someone all our players should know and respect. We can benefit from John's knowledge, presence and experience."

John wasn't as welcomed before.

There was a breakdown between Elway and Mike Shana- han.

"Honestly, some things went on between Mike and me," said Elway, who wouldn't elaborate.

In 1984, Shanahan was brought in by Dan Reeves as a 32-year-old assistant (same age as McDaniels when he took the Broncos' head coaching job) to work specifically with Elway. The two became virtually inseparable, especially when Shanahan was elevated to offensive coordinator. Shanahan left in '87 to become head coach of the Raiders.

When Shanahan was fired abruptly in '89, Bowlen ordered Reeves to rehire him. But Reeves believed Shanahan and Elway secretly scripted plays behind his back. Shana- han was fired in 1991. In '95, he returned as head coach and reunited with Elway.

Elway said: "I told Mike I understood the relationship between head coach and player. My father (Jack) was a coach. I told him I wouldn't cross the line, but he made sure I didn't."

However, even after Shana- han and Elway won two Super Bowls (after losing three together) and John retired, the abyss widened, because Bowlen had shouted "this one's for John" after the first title, Shanahan didn't want Elway in an executive role, and if the coach won without Elway, that one would be for Shanahan.

So, John was persona non grata at Dove Valley until Mc- Daniels reached out to Elway.

"Don't need a job title"

At the end of Elway's career, Bowlen offered to sell him up to 20 percent of the ownership, and Elway eventually would become COO. Elway declined; he didn't want then to be a minority shareholder.

That proposed deal prompted former owner Edgar Kaiser, who had maneuvered the Elway acquisition, to file a lawsuit, claiming he had first right-of-refusal. Litigation dragged through federal and state courts for years before a final ruling in Bowlen's favor in 2007.

Elway would be willing if Bowlen made the offer again. They were owners (with Stan Kroenke) of the defunct Colorado Crush arena football team. "I did that because I wanted to be in football again," Elway said. "I got the experience on the ownership and personnel side, and I was ready for the NFL . . . Would I like to be part owner of the Broncos? Yes."

Bowlen repeatedly has said he will not sell the franchise.

With a new regime, Elway was enthused about ending the split.

"It's easier to be involved now. I don't need a job title. I don't want to call shots. It's not necessarily day-to-day, but if I can help Josh, Pat and Joe get this franchise back on track, that's important. It's just a matter of being the guy there who if you wanted a different point of view, I can give it."

Would he want to coach? "Oh, yeah. Being off to the side and working it that way . . . spending time with the quarterbacks and the offense."

Elway has been impressed with McDaniels. "He's considered too young at 34, and I was considered too old at 34. The players, I can tell you, don't give a rat's (behind) if he's 34 or 64. You want a man who can motivate, teach you, coach you to a championship. Josh can do that."

John also has linked up with Tim Tebow. "He texted me when he got to Denver. I watched him practice. I've talked to him. I like him a whole lot. People say he doesn't have the perfect release, but I didn't have a perfect release. You can fix that.

"When Tim came to my (birthday party), we had a long talk. What I told him is that in pro football, the window of accuracy is this small (he spreads his hands 18 inches), not this big (3 feet). Those complete passes in college are incompletions and interceptions in the NFL. You don't get better at accuracy in the weight room. You throw thousands of passes. He's got the natural talent and the smarts. But he's got to throw, throw, throw."

John threw for 56,439 yards (regular season and postseason) and set the record for quarterback victories.

Legendary No. 7 strives to come back to help the Broncos get back.

[Gonzo]

Giants' 3rd round pick Chad Jones got into a single car crash and had to be rushed to surgery as nerves and arteries were exposed. Amputation was avoided and both of his legs were saved.

Damn. Hope he can make a full recovery. I doubt he will ever play football again, but I'm sure that's the furthest thing from his mind right now.

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1bb8f8b

Jesus, at this point, he is lucky to be alive.

Hope he makes some sort of recovery so at least he is able to live a semi-normal life.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Cedric Benson arrested for punching somebody in the face at a bar. Probably not gonna get punished but strategically speaking, if Benson was suspended for the first four games of the season, that would probably be beneficial for him and the Bengals. His body won't be broken down from 25+ carries a game for 16 games.

[Emperor Smeat]

Still can't believe Bears chose him over Thomas Jones as their primary RB when Jones had less off-field and attitude issues and was a better pounder style RB than Benson. They made the big mistake in tying too much money with Benson to be a #2 or 3rd down RB though.

If I remember correctly, most of teammates favored Jones over Benson and hated the Bears getting rid of Jones.

[Reavant]

yup thats what happened.... bears are assholes

[Requiem]

:shifty:

[MTH15]

......FALCONS

[Team Sheep]

For any UK fans, ESPN is showing a classic Monday Night Football game from the past 4 seasons every Monday at 8pm over the next 10 weeks in the run up to the season. The first game aired last night, the Bears vs Cardinals from 2006. This eases the football withdrawals a bit :) Some awesome games coming up too.

[McLegend]

lol Jamarcus Russell arrested for Purple Drank.

[Innovator]

That could be the funniest thing ever.

Ryan Leaf, you're off the hook.

[Emperor Smeat]

It takes a lot of skill to suck as badly as Russell did for the QB position regardless if the team he played for was the Raiders, Lions, or other crappy team.

Ryan Leaf was horrible mostly because he fell apart under the pressure of the NFL and was horrible as a team-mate. Russell managed to outperform Leaf in terms of horrible play style, no passion for football, and declining development.

I say put Russell in the Hall since he deserves it since nobody is going to have the skills to out-suck him for a very long time. :shifty:

[Krimzon7]

Cedric Benson arrested for punching somebody in the face at a bar. Probably not gonna get punished but strategically speaking, if Benson was suspended for the first four games of the season, that would probably be beneficial for him and the Bengals. His body won't be broken down from 25+ carries a game for 16 games.

B.Scott could use the burn too. Was he injured last year? He's pretty good and for God's sake, it would force Carson to get his shit in order a bit quicker. Oh well, here's to smashing the Steelers again!

[SammyG]

RAMS

[IC Champion]

lol i liked you better before, whne you werent posting.

[Emperor Smeat]

Why are the Rams going to break the rookie signing record on a player who has a known injury and might be serious enough to re-injury like Bradford did while at Oklahoma?

I think NFL and the teams should have learned from JaMarcus Russell situation as a reason to not break the bank on a rookie and change the whole rookie salary involving guaranteed cash. Even last year's #1 pick ended up getting hurt and missed some games although not as serious as Bradford during college.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Because why would you alienate your potential franchise star and make him the example? If there's gonna be a change, the league has to do it. Teams will never do it.

[Emperor Smeat]

I understand Rams don't want to do anything that would make them look dumb or alienate their fans who wanted him as a player but it doesn't help that Bradford is holding out until he gets the record deal (in terms of guaranteed money) while also coming off a pretty serious injury.

It just seems odd how every year teams and people talk about reigning in the rising rookie costs but every year when it comes to meetings, the league decides against it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well Bradford knows he's gonna get the money, and if he's as injury prone as people think, he better get all the guaranteed money he can.

[Droford]

Bill Cowher's wife died of skin cancer.

I'll be good about this one, I do kinda respect him at the end of the day.

[Emperor Smeat]

Terrel Owens set to make decision on which team he will sign for in next 2-3 days.

The list is down to just the Bengals and the Rams with the Bengals as favorites to sign him.

[SammyG]

GETCHA POPCORN READY! COME ON TO!

[RP]

Terrel Owens set to make decision on which team he will sign for in next 2-3 days.

The list is down to just the Bengals and the Rams with the Bengals as favorites to sign him.

ESPN is planning a 1 hour special

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants sign Keith Bulluck. I like it. Gives Dillard a year of grooming before he starts.</font>

[D Mac]

Please don't let Owens go to the Bungles.

[Krimzon7]

I love me some TO, and I hope Cincy can sign my guy. I'd go buy a TO jersey immediately. Also...in totally related news, why is Andre Smith down here(Atlanta) on the radio trying to get some bitches to come to the club to see his fat, bench warming ass? So much for the front office being on to something in the draft. Fucking fuck.

[Krimzon7]

Please don't let Owens go to the Bungles.
:foc: who dey!

[Gonzo]

Giants sign Keith Bulluck. I like it. Gives Dillard a year of grooming before he starts.

Yeah I like the move. Gives the Giants a solid veteran presence in the LB corps. At worst, if it doesn't work out, it's only a one year deal.

[Innovator]

Good they finally did something LB related

[Droford]

Ravens 2nd round pick Sergio Kindle apparently got plastered drunk and fell down two flights of stairs and suffered some sort of brain injury. He was expected to sign a deal sometime this week..ooops

He had a DWI before when he was texting while driving and crashed into a building.

His father's name is Johnny Walker.

Can't make this stuff up.

[Gonzo]

Good they finally did something LB related

Yeah I really think it's a solid signing. Not expensive, gives the Giants a bit of a face lift, and hopefully he can anchor that MLB spot.

[Emperor Smeat]

Looks like Bengals only team left for Terrell Owens since Rams dropped out of the race to sign him.

Dez Bryant refuses to carry Roy Williams or other veteran bags and doesn't like the whole Rookie initiation tradition in the NFL.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

VH1 must be going bonkers right now.

[SammyG]

Good for Dez Bryant. That's bullshit.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's initiation. Everybody does it. Dez Bryant is being a huge bitch.

[Innovator]

Considering Dez is gonna beat Roy out for his spot

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You can carry the pads like everybody else in the history of the sport, or you can take a stand and make all your teammates hate you. Come on Dezzy.

[SammyG]

I've always thought it's completely retarded for rookies to carry the veterans' pads. The veterans think they are so much better? Don't let a rookie beat you out for your spot.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's not the point at all. It's initiation to the team. Make the rookies prove they want to be a part of the unit. It has nothing to do with thinking you're better.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Most people take it as a joke. The only people who don't are the ones that have huge egos and think they're too good to be hazed. Dez Bryant appears to be one of those people.

[McLegend]

Yeah it's just carrying pads... It's not getting taped to a goal post or being forced to pay for everyone's meals.

Get a hold of yourself.

[RP]

The least he can do is carry Roy Williams bags since he'll be carrying his receptions in November.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Not even sure Owens is going to sign with the Bengals. Mike Brown is probably going to low-ball him since he knows the Bengals are the only team trying to sign him. And I don't know if Owens or Rosenhaus would take less money.

[Gonzo]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see TO take less money just to play. After this, his only shot is if a team gets a couple guys injured and they need a veteran.

[RP]

JETS want him

[Team Sheep]

Oh god no.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

TO and Rex Ryan would be the greatest thing ever.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

How would Mark Sanchez possibly be able to keep TO, Braylon Edwards, and Santonio Holmes all happy on a team that likes to run the ball?

[Team Sheep]

This article pretty much sums up my feelings entirely:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5413114

[Supreme Olajuwon]

@terrellowens (http://twitter.com/terrellowens) we like batman n robin, siskel n ebert, ying n yang, bonnie n clyde but you're bonnie though 7 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/OGOchoCinco/status/19688075635) via twidroid (http://twidroid.com/)
#OCNNBREAKINGNEWS (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23OCNNBREAKINGNEWS) My homeboy is a Bengal, all of our games have been moved to pay-per-view, you got to pay to see this shh! 11 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/OGOchoCinco/status/19687822849) via twidroid (http://twidroid.com/)
@terrellowens (http://twitter.com/terrellowens) bruh congrats now get your ass here so we can make a game plan over some mcdonalds 12 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/OGOchoCinco/status/19687758511) via twidroid (http://twidroid.com/)
#OCNNBREAKINGNEWS (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23OCNNBREAKINGNEWS) Terrell Owens is officially a Cincinnati Bengals, Cincy let's welcome him with open arms, it's on now! 13 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/OGOchoCinco/status/19687704472) via twidroid (http://twidroid.com/)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs088.snc4/35757_404564555263_192889005263_4901296_7661603_n.jpg



Oh boy.

[McLegend]

Get your popcorn ready.

[ClockShot]

Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco on the same team. Can you say

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[Buzzkill]

lol poor Carson Palmer

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Awesome. Can't wait to see how that dynamic pans out.</font>

[Innovator]

TOcho

[Emperor Smeat]

Tim Tebow holding out on signing a contract with the Broncos. So far he's only missed the 1st mandatory rookie and non-exception veterans camp.

The main issue is Tebow and his agent want Dez Bryant spot money since both feel he is more valuable than Bryant even though Tebow was taken 1 pick below Bryant. Also wants a bigger guaranteed amount of his contract than what the Broncos or his draft pick's spot offered.

[FearedSanctity]

He wants more because he's a QB, which I don't exactly like, but I understand. From what I hear they're close anyway, probably have a deal done in a day or two

[IC Champion]

I see where Tebow is coming from as a QB, it could be the only contract he signs worth any real money.

[D Mac]

Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco on the same team. Can you say...



... two assholes no waiting.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Trent Green doesn't even play football anymore. It's time to let your animosity go.

[IC Champion]

Trent Green was awful.

[DrA]

I hate that whole "Terrell Owens is a locker room poison" horseshit. When he was in Dallas the media always tried to make trouble where there wasn't any. They interviewed Marcus Spears I believe on one of the local radio shows and all the interviewers could ask was "What has TO done lately? Has he divided the locker room up because of his ego?" Spears was like "Nah man TO is cool. He's fun to be around and does a lot of nice stuff for us."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't really see it being that big of a deal. The Bengals only went and got him because Palmer asked them to so he knows what's going on.

[Emperor Smeat]

Doesn't look like Tebow gained much from holding out since right now only the $200,000 extra in guaranteed cash and same 5 year deal that Dez Bryant got. Initial reports had Tebow get $33 million as a max value vs Dez Bryant $11 million but Dez's max value didn't get released so far.

Raiders 1st round pick (#8 overall) signs for 5 year deal at $40 million and is highest draft picked signed so far.

Haynesworth fails conditioning test with the Redskins after holding out on the initial camps to trigger a guarantee money boost in his contract.

[Y2Ant]

81 ALL THE TIME WHAT'S UP

i hope T.O makes a badass rap/flash movie about the bengals now

[SammyG]

When the fuck is Bradford gonna sign

[Droford]

If I thought Ray Lewis could get away with hitting either of them (85/TO) hard Id be rooting for it to happen but it'll no doubt end up like last season.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

perhaps he should learn how to tackle properly

[D Mac]

Trent Green doesn't even play football anymore.

Yeah his career was probably cut short by that CHEAP SHOT.

:mad:

[Droford]

<object height="385" width="640">85 just needs to tighten up his chinstrap


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[Droford]

speaking of straps..I learned a week ago that Ed Reed doesn't wear a jock strap.


Ed Reed apparently tried to renegotiate last year and is dealing with a nasty hip injury this year which has made the 6-time Pro Bowler contemplate retiring or taking a pay cut to play with another team. The Ravens have stated they are comfortable with the contract which prompted Reed’s statements.
Reed said he has spoken with general manager Ozzie Newsome, chief negotiator Pat Moriarty and team owner Steve Bisciotti about his situation over the past year.
“The word I got was, ‘We’re comfortable with where we’re at,’” Reed said. “Yes, you would be comfortable with the plays that I’m making on the field and paying me what you’re paying me. .. There are six, seven players in front of me at my position [in terms of money] that I honestly wouldn’t let hold my jock, and I don’t even wear one.’”

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Tried to be a tough guy and ended up costing his team the game. That's RayRay for ya. Stupid plays, murdering people, the guy just makes a lot of bad decisions.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>David Tyree signs a one-day contract with the Giants and retires.</font>

:heart:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Domonique Foxworth tears his ACL and is out for the season.

Going into camp Foxworth was one of the two healthy Ravens in their secondary. Now their top 3 CBs and Ed Reed are all out. Looks like Ty Law might be getting a call earlier than usual this year.

[Nervous Ferret]

LET'S GO TO

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Big fat pile of crap Andre Smith out for 2-3 weeks because he didn't work hard enough to rehab his foot and it's not ready for contact.

[SammyG]

god fucking damnit, get Bradford in camp

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Chiefs give Eric Berry 6 years, $60 million ($34 million guaranteed)
Redskins give Trent Williams 6 years, $60 million ($36.75 million guaranteed)

get that paper baby boi

[Skippord]

I'd like to go see Tim TebOH! at training camp this year

[McLegend]

Dez Bryant out 4-6 weeks with a high ankle sprain.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rams and Bradford agree to record breaking rookie deal.

6 years at $78 million with max value up to $86 million. The record part is $50 million of that $78 million is guaranteed.

[Krimzon7]

Big fat pile of crap Andre Smith out for 2-3 weeks because he didn't work hard enough to rehab his foot and it's not ready for contact.

Easily the worst draft pick of the Marvin Lewis Era...Marvin has been in Cincy long enough to have an era...think about that.

sammyg, shut the fuck up.

and ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS SUCK IT! RAY LEWIS IS A DOUCHE, AND T.O.-CINCO WILL OWN THE AFC NORTH BITCHES!

[SammyG]

sam the rammmmmmmmmmmm

[Innovator]

David Tyree signs a one-day contract with the Giants and retires.

:heart:
I will always love David Tyree

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wes Welker back in pads already. The Great White Hope

[RP]

fuck that fag

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Glad camps have opened up. Now I don't have to rely on the shitty Mets to be my only source of sports</font>

[SammyG]

Danario Alexander taking a physical with the Rams tomorrow. Awesome. Love that dude.

[Team Sheep]

Is that Hard Knocks show any good? Gutted we can't get it over here. Need to find a way to see it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yes.

[Innovator]

Glad camps have opened up. Now I don't have to rely on the shitty Mets to be my only source of sports
Now we can rely on everyone saying how the Giants are gonna be horrible this year.

Kenny Phillips is in the Physically Unable list for a week. I hope he can stay on the field this year.

[Jeritron]

Robert Kraft alludes to signing Brady to a huge deal. Hopefully it happens soon

[Emperor Smeat]

Robert Kraft alludes to signing Brady to a huge deal. Hopefully it happens soon

It wouldn't be at the level of distraction of when Brady was expecting his 1st child or like a few previous players who hated being "tagged" but contract disputes can become messy if it lasts over the season.

Kraft basically got cornered into this situation since he persuaded Brady years ago to leave money on the table to make the team better so naturally Brady wants some of that money back. At the same time he is part of the group of owners who are expected to meet with the union to discuss reducing salaries and wreck-less spending.

Kraft would lose a lot of power and support if he just went out and gave Brady a mega deal while telling other owners and players they can't.

[IC Champion]

Everyone knows the Patriots are cheap, I wouldn't be surprised if a deal never got done, and Brady went elsewhere. Not likely, but I wouldnt be shocked given the history of the Patriots and paying players.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah the Patriots are just going to let Tom Brady walk, you're definitely right

[IC Champion]

I said not likely, and I don't think it will happen, but I'm just saying I can see the Patriots not wanting to shell out all kinds of money, it's not like the have a history of paying the big bucks.

[McLegend]

I watched the Vikings/Saints NFC championships game on NFL Network today.

Man what an incredible choke by the Vikings. I'm not even talking about the Favre play even though that to was a choke. Vikings pretty much did what they wanted against the Saints. Best think Saints did was take kind of cheap shots on Favre which is basically what they did.

Also the only way the Saints could stop Adrian Peterson was if he fumbled the ball, because he was running bitches over. All time choke of a game.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's what the Vikings do.

Lest we forget:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/84084738.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA54802379F53BE602A65249985AE7B963CA7868278845035F06D

[MTH15]

1998, All they had to do was make the damn field goal. But they didnt, My falcons went on to the ship to get completely shitted on by the broncos. But fuck dat shit. This is our year

[RoXer]

Finally, this is no longer the greatest game in Cardinals history:

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[CSL]

Is that Hard Knocks show any good? Gutted we can't get it over here. Need to find a way to see it.

It's great. I've seen the Chiefs, 2nd Cowboys and Bengals ones and I'm 'over here'. Just look up torrents/Rapidshare etc after they've been aired.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

btw there's a football game on Sunday

[Evil Vito]

Now we can rely on everyone saying how the Giants are gonna be horrible this year.

Kenny Phillips is in the Physically Unable list for a week. I hope he can stay on the field this year.

<font color=goldenrod>Ralph Vacchiano summed it up best. The Giants have enough talent to win, but these are the 5 keys:

1. Health
2. Health
3. Health
4. Defense
5. Health

I'm not really worried about the offense at all. I think Jacobs will bounce back and Steve Smith seems to always be open.</font>

[Team Sheep]

It's great. I've seen the Chiefs, 2nd Cowboys and Bengals ones and I'm 'over here'. Just look up torrents/Rapidshare etc after they've been aired.

Seen bits of the Bengals last year. Just want to see this one badly because it's the Jets. Never done torrents and shit cause I like to keep my laptop clean but I might have a look at it for this. Rex Ryan alone will make it worth the watch :D

[Ermaximus]

Farve just retired, again...

[McLegend]

Down goes Minnesota

[Ermaximus]

Who are their back ups again?

[Skippord]

Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels

[Ermaximus]

Hmm. I'm expecting to see a lot more carries from Peterson this year then.

[Hanso Amore]

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Innovator]

OMG NO

[ClockShot]

BRETT FAVRE RETIRES?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT WILL MINNESOTA DO?!

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[Splaya]

This surely solidifies that I am taking Chris Johnson #1 overall in my fantasy football draft. Doesn't matter how much of a beast AP is, everyone is going to stack the box now on 2nd and 3rd down.

[Team Sheep]

And he's an overrated turnover machine.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>He'll be back, again.</font>

[CSL]

Not buying this until he's not on the field Week 1. He could cut his legs off at his press conference later and I wouldn't be sure.

[Team Sheep]

I believe him this time. Call me a fool in a month's time though.

[Ermaximus]

Apparently Brad Childress was not aware of Farve's retirement and doesn't buy it either.

[IC Champion]

WOOOOOOOOO Now the only team in my Cowboys way are the Saints, and they will gte raped.

[Ermaximus]

WOOOOOOOOO Now the only team in my Cowboys way are the Saints, and they will gte raped.

Madden curse will handle that for you.

[IC Champion]

Let's hope.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's a swerve. Brett Favre is going to announce that he's taking his talents to South Beach to join the Miami Dolphins</font>

[Skippord]

WOOOOOOOOO Now the only team in my Cowboys way are the Saints, and they will gte raped.
and the Packers

[Skippord]

also I heard Favre is going to sign with the Heat

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Vito's was better. Probably because his wasn't two posts after a similar joke.

[Skippord]

I don't disagree

[McLegend]

Man it's funny how big of an idiot Brad Childress is. He doesn't have a clue about anything.

[Skippord]

god I hope there aren't many more TV interviews with Brad Childress, creepy fuck

[CSL]

It's all a swerve, Favre is gonna do a run in on Tavaris Jackson tomorrow.

[Skippord]

I think it'll be in the tunnel before the first game of the season

mystery attacker

[Droford]

Favre is gonna start kicking so he can play another 10 years as a kicker.

George Blanda-esque

[SammyG]

Uh oh

http://m.deadspin.com/5603792/hilariously-gross-brett-favre-news-to-surface-soon

[Splaya]

Lions agree to terms with Suh. Thank god. The guy was getting destroyed on local sports talk radio

[RP]

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[RP]

http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BG&Date=20100804&Category=SPORTS03&ArtNo=8040323&Ref=AR&MaxW=350

[Innovator]

Uh oh

http://m.deadspin.com/5603792/hilariously-gross-brett-favre-news-to-surface-soon


Here's another reason Brett Favre should stay retired this time: Turns out The Daily Line's Jenn Sterger (http://www.versus.com/shows/the-daily-line/cast/jenn-sterger/) has kept a ridiculously disturbing (but HILARIOUS) secret about her interactions with The Gunslinger while they were both part of the Jets organization.

For those who don't know (or forget) who Jenn Sterger is: formerly buxom (http://deadspin.com/5400462/jenn-sterger-says-goodbye-to-some-old-friends) Florida State Cowgirl (http://deadspin.com/141528/florida-states-diligent-student-body) who gained internet notoriety for being a buxom Florida State fan who parlayed that popularity into a full-time career. She did Maxim shoots (http://www.maxim.com/girls/girls-of-maxim/93013/jenn-sterger.html). Playboy shoots (http://www.121s.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5157&m=). She wrote a "Confessions of a Cowgirl" column (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/jenn_sterger/archive/index.html) for Sports Illustrated. Then, in 2008, Ms. Sterger joined the Jets (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/galleries/a_closer_look_at_jenn_sterger/a_closer_look_at_jenn_sterger.html) as an in-house sideline reporter. It was during that fateful time that her and Mr. Favre's paths began to cross. Sort of.

Last winter, close to the Super Bowl, Ms. Sterger and I were discussing a possible collaboration on the proposed "Deadspin Swimsuit Project," which turned into a conversation about the whole "athlete dong photo (http://deadspin.com/tag/athletedong/)" phenomenon. She claimed that she's been on the receiving end of several of those types of cell phone interactions by drunk men, some of whom were professional athletes. We later had a phone conversation about who some of the more well-known dong-shot senders were. One person, she claimed, who was very into cell phone-donging her was none other than Brett Favre. Now, at one point in his career, this news wouldn't be too surprising. Favre's time in Green Bay is littered with stories about his boozing and carousing. But gray-haired Favre? Oh yeah, she said. Sterger said that Favre first began to call her early in the season and leave strange, friendly messages on her voicemail. She played me one of these voicemails over the phone. It was Brett turning on the Mississippi simpleton charm on his way to practice giving Jenn a friendly good ol' boy hello to a pretty lady. It was odd, but nothing incriminating. Then the phone calls from Brett started to turn weird.

Sterger claimed she spurned Favre's advances because he was married, but also because she was working for the Jets at the time she didn't think it was the best idea to start a torrid affair with the team's highest profile player (the Jets have not responded to a question about any knowledge of the Favre/Sterger saga at this time). Plus, if she went forward with how aggressive he was and how skeeved out she was to some of her superiors, she suspected she might lose her job. The interactions were flirty and strange but she didn't think there wasn't anything that made her too uncomfortable. But then, one night, Sterger received a picture on her phone which was so shocking that she just tossed it across the room. It was his dick. Brett Favre's dick. And it happened multiple times. In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs. In another photo, Favre is holding his penis while wearing the wristwatch he wore during his first teary-eyed retirement press conference. You know, this one:

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But soon after Jenn told me this story, she balked about releasing the photos or voicemails she still had on her computer. They were still on her computer because they were fun to laugh at amongst friends, but she never planned to sell them or use them to bolster her profile. We invited her in into the Gawker Media lair many times to have a nice discussion about what we could do with the photos and how they could be presented and how she wouldn't look bad in the process if she just had fun with it. Alas, that didn't happen. When this Favre conversation first took place, Jenn started on Vs.' "The Daily Line" show so this wasn't the added publicity she wanted or need at the time. Plus, she really didn't want her name attached to this whatsoever. And I was told by her to keep my big mouth shut. Here's her email to me on February 15, 2010:
AND NOT A WORD OF THAT SHIT TO ANYONE.
I like ya AJ... and if there is a way to expose this dude for the creepy douche he is WITHOUT me being attached to it in any way that is fine. I just want to make it clear I never met him, saw him, etc... because I don't roll that way. That way meaning old.. or married. Some big boobed hoes have morals and souls believe it or not..
I agreed, but still persisted because I'm a dick and it's an incredibly funny story, but one that didn't really hold any real weight unless she either gave us the A.) photos B.) voicemails C.) attached her name to it. She was reluctant to do so up until yesterday because I pressed her on it:

Okay, here's the deal:

I'm very close to running your Favre allegations today. I've spoken to the Jets about this. So let me know how you want to proceed, please. I'd prefer you were on the record about this stuff, but I understand if you don't want to be. However, I do have our email conversations we had and, frankly, that's enough to get this started.

Not trying to dick you over, but, there was no way I was going to sit on it forever, either.

So lemme know.


Her Blackberry was messed up, though. However, she did respond by saying she would (finally) go on the record with her tales of Favre's creepy cell phone stalking:

I can... as soon as I get this thing back and running.. or you could meet me in person on my way to studio in a few hours.

So I'm gonna say she's settled on C. There's no turning back now. But who knows? Jenn and I never connected yesterday, either in person or on the phone. Maybe those photos will surface at this point since I assume many people would like to hear her side of this story, given it's a helluva lot more interesting than any retirement rope-a-dopes.

And there's no real evidence that Favre's been horndoggin' it throughout the latter part of his NFL career. Maybe he was just lonely while he spent time in New York and sought some companionship with Sterger who, if you hadn't noticed, does resemble his wife, Deanna (http://b4tea.com/entertainment/brett-favre-wife-deanna-favre-deanna-favre-bio-pictures). One thing that is notable is this: it turns out that Brett watched last year's Super Bowl at home in Mississippi. He didn't watch it alone, however. According to one source, he watched the Saints miraculously defeat the Colts in the company of one special guest: Tiger Woods. I wonder what those guys talked about?
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I have to register my fantasy team as Brett Favre's crocs, dibs.

[McLegend]

That story is awesome. Makes Bret Favre even more of the man.

[Innovator]

It makes it even better he did it to the head FSU girl.

[SammyG]

lol what Favre. Hanging out with Tiger?

[SammyG]

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[SammyG]

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