Haha such a fag!

You're lucky you have an avatar of a wrestling God

yea and those are the type of people who can't believe or don't understand they are being completely worked. like you.

Well if I'm being worked, then good job on the WWE!

Why is everyone being so aggressive?

RUTHLESS AGGRESSION

you shut up, you

this is one forum where i definitely encourage open hostility. something has to keep it interesting.

I wish we could make it a policy that you have to fight and defeat a mod to post a thread.

it would be exactly how it is now

if owenbrown were mod

make me a mod. i will fight everyone.

Good episode of Raw there folks...

I feel asleep during the main event but I think they should have let Bryan pin Show.

I'm still fine with all the Bryan stuff.

First is denial. (They're not ruining Bryan's push!)
Second is anger. (This is getting OLD FAST now!)
Third is fear. (He has to win the WWE title or this will be for nothing!)
Fourth is bargainy. (I will boycott WWE if Bryan loses)
Fifth is finally acceptance. (And thus ends Bryan's run as "top dog")

If TNA was running this Bryan would either win the title before or the show right after the PPV

Indulge me for a moment if you wheel, look out there, to the future, no not robot maids that's the Jetson's but I dunno, lets say 6 months or so from now, what do you see? Why there's a whole bunch of PPVs, and what's that, Wrestlemania?????? Gee whizz skipper wouldn't that be a wonderful memorable and defining moment if he were to finally get his revenge on the 'grandest stage of them all' after finally overcoming the odds? I mean it's like they planned it from the start, to have him chase the title and build him up as a legit main eventer when he finally wins rather than hot shotting the title on him after a couple of months. I know that's unprecedented, nobody has ever had a program that ran more than 4 weeks in the history of our sport, but gosh darn it I want to dream big.

Ryback would have done WAY better

Ryback may have been the biggest "dropped ball" in WWE history. They had to actually put effort into fucking up with him.

And now he has less time in the ring so I have less time skipping Ryback matches, which is always fun.

I should really buy whoever was in charge of Ryback's creative direction once he got into title matches dinner. I hope it's Steph.

Now we both know that wont happen. Cena wil return at Royal Rumble and win, he will then proceed to challenge Orton for the title in the main event. Now I love D Bryan, he's my favourite wrestler and I've been following his career for years and years, but this feud is NOT setting up a WM main event, and D Bryan will not headline (unfortunately, in my opinion :/)

Not like Cena would want a crack at the Undertaker or anything, or Brock, matches that might not be available next year.

Either way, that would be the main event.

As they like to point out themselves there is more than one main event match at 'mania.

I've been following John Cena's career for years and years and I believe he should headline Wrestlemania.

lol you joker

The main event will always be the last match on a lot of people's opinions.

The whole "multiple main event" thing is just to make the card sound like a bigger deal. Really, if you look at a match and say "There's no WAY it's going on last", then "main event" is just a meaningless term.

Hell, Daniel Bryan and Sheamus opened WrestleMania 28 with an 18 second match that was promoted going in as one of the main events. That's how much meaning the term has in WWE's world.

If they do build this all up to Bryan vs Orton for the title at WrestleMania though, I can kinda see the possibility of it actually headlining. If they stretch it out that long and let it keep building somehow (which I have my doubts they can/will) then it would have some massive anticipation.

I too have my doubts about this, but if they do manage to keep it building, I still feel like they'll have to have someone else (Cody maybe?) feud with Orton for the title around the Rumble. Then between January and WM have Bryan feud with HHH/Shield/Corp2.0 over the right to face Orton at WM.

I don't see this feud going passed the Royal Rumble, I think Cena will probably be the one to dethrone Orton whenever he comes back from his injury, and Bryan will probably win the Rumble, and we get Bryan-Cena II at WrestleMania where Bryan finally gets his moment.

Am I the only one who doesn't really see Orton as a heel to headline WrestleMania? I don't know what it is about him -- maybe it's because he's been away from the title so long. He'll no doubt do something important, but I just can't see Orton vs. Cena, Orton vs. Punk or Orton vs. Bryan closing WrestleMania.

Tomorrow is looming!

Let's just see where things go, one show at a time before jumping to any definitive conclusions here. Sound good to you?

Sounds good to me! Fingers crossed tomorrow doesn't end with Bryan down on the mat!

I predict, to change things up, Raw ends with Bryan down on the mat at the hands of Stephanie.

Fans wanted nothing to do with him except chanting feed me more. Goldberg chants killed him.

Considering how most folks get NO chants...or reaction... AT ALL.

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Listen to that crowd wanting nothing to do with Ryback.

One crowd.

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Listen to those two crowds wanting nothing to do with Ryback.

Also, this. "People ONLY chanted his catchphrase", even if you do ignore the fact that he was one of the VERY few guys actually getting a reaction at all, is a ridiculous attempt to find ways to deny how over the guy was.

Daniel Bryan is the very definition of getting over via catchphrase

Fan do you think that has more to do with Ryback being over, or people just wanting to see Punk get killed?

i think ryback was massively over. but i also don't believe that he has the tools to handle a sustained push at the top. at least not now.

Bring back Skip Sheffield

Well considering Punk was being praised for getting cheered during the Undertaker feud because he was "such a good heel", I'd say you need to pick one reaction or the other to signify "it's all Punk, fuck the other guy". Plus, I don't think anyone could have just come in and won matches and then face off with Punk anf had the crowd going crazy. It had to be someone who came off as the "next big thing" in wrestling. Which I think Ryback was. Until they jobbed him out to the Shield and Mark Henry, turned him a heel and then jobbed him to Cena.

I just thought of this: how different would WWE be right now if Ryback hadn't messed up lifting Tensai on that Raw.

Wait...

Thread about The Usos

This very thread...

... Wait, what?

Ryback sucks. Deal with it.

Good response to what I posted. I guess we're done here now.

lol SlickyTrickyDemon continuing to be one of the dumbest poster on the tpww.

This. Ryback was over, but he wasn't "white-hot." It was a combination of him being pushed as a monster, his catchphrase being an easy thing to latch onto and Punk being so hated. I never for a moment thought that Ryback was the right choice to put over Punk, ever, but I do think that there has been some mishandling of his character at times. They never should have put him into the scene with Punk, but given that they did, they probably needed to go another route with him.

When you think about it, the build to WrestleMania probably should have seen Big Show and Ryback cross-paths with Big Show as World Heavyweight Champion. Show and Ryback get into a stare-down and Ryback attacks Show and hits him with Shell-Shocked after he successfully defends the World Title against Sheamus or something. Dolph Ziggler chooses that moment to cash in his briefcase and he becomes the new World Champion. Do this at the Royal Rumble and have Ryback later compete in the Rumble Match, go on a tear, only for Big Show to come out and eliminate him without being a participant himself.

This sets up Dolph Ziggler vs. Chris Jericho for the World Heavyweight Title and Big Show vs. Ryback for Mania. Fandango would have done something else amazing.

It always is.

What else are they gonna do with the guy. When he was a face, he squashed his jobber for 5 minutes, and that was it. At least as a heel, he can be someone you want to see defeated instead of "oh, he got another win."

Yeah I didn't really enjoy Ryback til he went heel.

So Bryan came out on top this week, have they pushed him too hard now?

I am of course being a twat.

Too Hard

Best tag team name ever?

Russo era tag team that never was.

We need a time travel angle.

Did any of the WWE games have a time-travel angle where you went back and interfered in major matches like Hart VS. Yoko, Hogan's Heel-turn etc?

I can't recall but that actually sounds like a solid premise for a game.

Are they going to refer to Bryan's high knee move as "the move that beat John Cena" for now on?

Bryan came out on top because he's going to lose on Sunday. So it was a good booking decision as if Bryan got beat down again and lost at NOC, it would genuinely destroy him.

So that part of booking you understand but not the idea of a guy getting booked strong but being on the losing end of a 3 man beatdown?

The Cena Stopper.

You just know it's going to be called something daft like the Goats Beard knee.

By the way, I know "push him to the main event" is too much to ask since he's a comedy character and all but WWE should make it a point to put focus on Santino in some way every week. The guy is unbelievably good at what he does. He's just a natural entertainer.

You always get the 'rumours' about him getting a more serious push, they actually mentioned his judo/MMA stuff last night so maybe they will, even if just to give us the Honky meter back.

New Breed

Whitey, stop being so hard on Snakeboss :( He seems like a good enough guy.

I understand that, but for 7 shows straight, it starts to lose a little steam wouldn't you say?

And thanks Ruien! I'm not a 'troll' or anything like that, I'm just a wrestling fan!

I've said before a gimmick where they use his MMA background and have someone like William Regal "teach him to fight" so he can win matches while he still acts silly outside the ring would be awesome. All these heels who take his silly, fun-loving nature as weakness taunt him and then just beats the fuck out of them. Santino has the mic work and the legit fighting ability to pull it off beautifully.

He singlehandedly beat the Shield last week, granted by DQ, but they've lost how many times? He's being booked strong and is getting taken out by 4 or 5 guys normally, he's as over if not more so than he was when this angle started so I don't get the buried/losing steam argument at all.

Yeah as long as they let him keep his character, don't see it getting above midcard but the guy does seem genuinely over and it would freshen up the US/IC title.

I like this, but I was thinking on RAW that it would have been quite funny to have Marella return and just randomly be amazing. They never really kayfabe explained where he was, did they? They could have just implied he went to get secret training and has come back the same goofball, but with unlimited skill.

He was at the Cobra Kai dojo.

Santino vs Cesaro vs Goldust in a 3-way dance for the IC belt...book it.

What? There's nobody cheering Ryback and even if there is it just totally proves how much of a heel Punk is.

He has muscles and was never in ROH. He couldn't have possibly been over even if he was over.

Seriously. I feel like there's always been this stigma for "goofy" wrestlers that they can't actually get the job done in the ring. I don't think it would be that unrealistic for a guy to be able to kick ass while not having a serious bone in his body outside the ring. It's kind of an untapped character.

Think there's a couple of guys on NXT doing something similar, goofy as fuck but can go.

I'd say some of Minoru Suzuki's work in Japan kind of proves it.

Nope.

Daniel Bryan is obviously in the doghouse

Ryback has his only chance to ever get over now as a Paul Heyman guy. He still sucks though. He'll still get Goldberg chants. A Goldberg chant means you aren't over and nobody cares about you and think you're nothing but a ripoff.

The Usso's actually get chants that they intend to get.

The only chant worse than "Goldberg" is the generic "you suck" shitty heels get.

"Boring" is the worst chant but I don't know what that has to do with DB.

Not enough Dean Ambrose there, DP.

Boring is never directed at just one person though. It's not a personal chant it's a "you both suck"-type chant.

It's insane that you're still trying with this after what happened on the last page.

Usos. lol

NOC Spoiler

Buried

I'm glad my favourite wrestler is now WWE Champion! I was clearly wrong and lacked faith in WWE's booking, but quite frankly, I couldn't give two shits because D-Bryan is champion!!

SlickyTrickyDamon is getting buried.


It's appropriate.

So does that what "Husky Harris" chants mean? Or is it smark-led trying to sound cute, and people joining in because who doesn't like a good chant?

Cena got boring chants when just he was in the ring cutting a promo recently

and just like that, you prove that this storyline made you into a mark. dimwitted mark.