Where are you hearing negative feedback? From Fox News?

Everything I've heard so far has been overwhelmingly positive. It won the damn Palme d'Or and people are saying it could be the first documentary to be nominated for Best Picture in the Academy Awards.

LOL, Trips

Moore was on Jon Stewart last night. When asked if his movie was biased he said "well of course it is"

In his words, he said he provides facts then adds his opinions. Opinions he believes to be true. What's refreshing listening to him is his acknowledgement that it's biased, most people would try to claim it was fair and balanced in an effort to justify themselves and/or their work.

Opinions are always biased.

US users 5.1
Non-US users 8.7

Nah just reviews and opinions from normal people on some movie sites/messageboards. I dunno. But those were only advanced screenings or something so it was a select few. Haven't checked back today.

I'm going to see it tomorrow night. I can't wait.

7:25 tonight, I'll tell you after that

Seeing it early tomorrow. It's gonna be worth the money.

Everybody I know is either seeing it today or tomorrow

Saw a 1:25 show today.

I liked it a lot, but I already really hate Bush, just as it seemed almost everyone else in the thearter did.

For somebody who really isn't sure who they're gonna vote for in November though, I really don't know that this would sway them too much. He seems to spend just as much time in the movie making fun of Bush going on vacation a lot, and how stupid he looks while getting ready to give an address on TV as he does on his connections to the Saudis. Nothing too ground breaking, or new really if you ask me, even though it was a very funny, and well made film.

Seeing it Sunday.

I saw it tonight, and I thought it was really good. The theater broke out in clapping numerous times. The one downfall for me was that I have read Moore's books etc and already know most of the information in the movie. If you ask me, yes of course the movie was biased because it was made to make Bush look bad, but I don't think he went over the line and it didn't seem like facts were altered really. Overall, really good.

Saw it tonight. It ruled, IMO.

For any normal person who isn't a blind conservative Bush lover, I think this movie would easily sway people to not vote for Bush. It made him look so amazingly incompetent over and over and basically showed how shitty the war in Iraq was.

It showed lots of troops there saying how much they hated Bush for making them go there for false reasons. It showed mothers of troops who died, who were pro-Bush and pro-war, but were only blinded by ignorance, as they said, and had now changed their views. It also showed how we were so pumped with fear in order for Bush to gain support for the war.

Some of the scenes were really powerful stuff, like the innocent Iraqi woman hysterically crying that bombs had destroyed her houses and killed five of her family members, and the woman reading her son's last letter before he died in Iraq.

I dunno it was great and hilarious at the same time. The last quote by Bush in the movie is great. Such a perfect ending to the movie.

9/10

I almost cried there.


There were some really LOL moments, "An old saying we have in Tennessee, well we have it in Texas so I assume that you have it in Tennessee, when the going gets tough...duh"

90% of what I've heard about it has been positive.

Really looking forward to seeing this movie.

ya I can't wait to see it.

I'm a big fan of Moore even though he lies half of the time

Also, I think this movie is effective because it is all about the War in Iraq, it's not taking cheap shots at other political views, it just exploits bad decisions regarding Iraq.

The only thing I didn't really like was when he kind of took a cheap shot on the congressmen. That probably wasn't good for him in the future either.

I saw it today and thought it was really good. Moore was really thorough in his research and cut the film together in such great fashion. One scene you would be on the brink of crying, a second later you would be cracking up laughing. It's still not going to sway how I vote, seeing I'm not ever going to vote until they get rid of the electoral college and because I don't want to be put at the top of the list for jury duty :y:

I'd suggest the Moore fans here check out this site:

www.bowlingfortruth.com

But I highly doubt any of you will read it, since you'll be too eager to dismiss the writer (and most likely myself) as a gun-totin' moron hick.

Nowhere man, you are not creative or innovative by showing us a site like that. Nobody here thinks that Moore is god, nobody thinks he is telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and those little analytical things they point out honestly don't matter. I was just reading through it and it was comparing calling it "evil rock music" to "demonic music," shit like that doesn't matter. We can both look at the little things in his movies differently, but in the end the message is still the same, the broad pictures shown in the movies are still the same, and because some random guy decided that Moore uses "deceptive tactics" doesn't change anyones opinion, because if we didn't already know that, we would already be retarded.

To guys like NowhereMan and VEL, let me ask you a question.

Does posting sites like this make you feel better? Make you feel like there really isn't a gun problem in the United States and that half of America doesn't believe we should be in Iraq?

Well get over it.

Let's look at some of these:


- 'Evil' Rock Music: I suspect it's phrased as "evil rock music" instead of "demonic" or some more appropriate term to trivialize the phrase and thereby trivializing the argument and make it sound like more of a judgmental puritanical term.

Why would he choose "demonic," either? That's absurd, and makes the author sound as slanted as they claim Moore is.

- Bad Parenting: Interesting that Moore thinks this is a stupid thing to blame a shooting on seeing as he uses it later in the movie. When manipulating the Kayla Rolland shooting, Moore blames the occurrence on lack of parenting which he in turn blames on Dick Clark.

Actually, he blames Welfare to Work. He tries to interview Dick as to why he's going along with the program. Nowhere, do you take this person seriously? Already, just in the title section, I've found two problems.

Nonsense to blame Manson, but plausible to blame the news and the military? Moore doesn't explain this odd sense logic. He doesn't back up his claim that bowling and illicit glorified violence are on the same level of motivating violent acts at any point in the film. He simply says they are, says it plainly and in an obvious manner and seeks to make you feel foolish if you challenge it. Don't be fooled.


but it makes perfect sense to blameManson, even though the Columbine kids had a sum total of one Manson record, and they couldn't tie it to other acts. Meanwhile, where's the acute tie between Manson and violence? I'm sure you've got a ton of studies that confirm this...

Moore's parallel of bowling with the kids other interests is inherently dishonest, seeing as there is no evidence to suggest the kids were bowling fanatics, but tons that prove their interest in the other culprits -- so therefore it is NOT by any means 'just as logical to blame bowling' for the murders.

but there was proof they were Manson fanatics? Oh wait, there wasn't. Thanks for slanting your own shit, retard.

Since Moore seriously poses bowling as an equally plausible contributor to murder than anything else suggested, let us explore exactly what effect the 2 boys ideology had on them. An article in the web publication Salon.com (1), by Dave Cullen titled Kill Mankind. No One Should Survive, reports on, among other things, the writings of Eric Harris in his diary. He says: "Kill mankind. No one should survive."

Evidence, including information found in the article also indicates that Harris was a good Darwinist, an evolutionist. One source is reported as saying that when the murders began, "Harris tore off his trench coat to expose a white T-shirt reading "Natural Selection.'" One investigator who has seen Harris' writings says: "[He] talks a lot about natural selection and that kind of leads into his admiration of Hitler and Nazism and their 'final solution' -- that we, the human race have interrupted or disrupted natural selection by inventing vaccines and stuff like that."


Wow. Wouldn't this actually PROVE the point that they weren't motivated by Manson, the very essence of the movie's rants on media scare tactics?

Unless, you're prepared to tie Manson to Nazis and the Final Solution.

The lead investigator on the Columbine murders, Kate Battan, also mentions the Harris/Klebold desire for fame. She says, paraphrased, that she thinks this was "the single biggest reason" the mass murders were committed. It is said that other key investigators agreed with this assessment. Battan says the writings of Harris and Klebold were littered with comments about their expected glory:

See?

The main cause. Not manson, not video games. Funny that. Ironically, the next section is entitled "whakco Attacko Alert." Pot, Kettle, Kettle, pot.

Nowhere, don't be a moron. Don't let someone else think for you, even if they say the things you want to hear. I didn't even need to defend Moore, just attack this fuckwit's bullshit logic.

"9/11" was an amazing film. It was incredibly hard to watch (particularly the little boy screaming as he gets his head stitched shut), but I'm glad I did.

People made such a fuss over "The Passion" when it came out, but this is the most important film to come out this year. Whereas "The Passion" was a millenia-old story retold as a snuff film, "Fahrenheit" is bringing a message to the masses that has been drowned out in a sea of red-white-and-blue chest-thumping jingoism. While it's true that Moore doesn't bring out much in the way of new information (at least for those ambitious enough to search for it), what he presents on the screen is vital, and anyone who sees this and still thinks they're doing the right thing by voting for Bush again is seriously deluded.

I may have already said this, but I don't want to see this film. I'm probably going to vote for Nader or Kerry anyway, and I don't need a film to back up my beliefs.

Vote for Kerry. Even though I think Nader would make a better President, he has no chance of getting elected. To get Bush out of the Oval Office, the easiest way to do it is voting for Kerry.

Then, in four years, we can try Nader again. :D

Actually, the voting process is simple. Find out if Kerry has any chance of winning your state, or if he is going to win it by a landslide. If your state is a tossup, vote Kerry, if you live in Texas or something, vote Nader. Simple eh?

I'm voting Bush because Dennis Miller is voting Bush and he's good people...

You are an idiot.

I don't do politics therefore I am easily swayed. :'(

I just saw F. 9-11 last night. I see how it can be polarized in reaction, but when it comes down to it, it was good film making. I would rate it higher than Bowling, and that says something. I was discussing it with a friend today, and I think it may be too hot to win him the Oscar this year, but I see how it could take home the Palm D'ore.

Love it or hate it, it's entertaining.

Dennis Miller also thinks that Iraq masterminded 9-11.

For that matter, so does Dick Cheney.

Of course, Cheney has the excuse of being legally dead for most of the past two years, so...

Not playing in PG as I suspected. Fucking bullshit.

Here are my "choices".


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Download it. http://www.packetnews.com/search.php?kw=fahrenheit

"They have a saying in Tennessee, well actually, in Texas too but... it goes something like 'Fool me once, shame on... um.. shame... on... um... you. umm... what I'm trying to say is that you can't fool us more than once :rant:'"

:rofl:

Great movie. Obviously biased but really, who cares? Anybody with half a brain should know not to take this movie as gospel. I give it 9/10

Thanks for the link. I'll download it from work. This home puta is so shitty.

You need to download mIRC to use those links though. ( www.mirc.com )

Just click them, then it will open the program on its own and it will automatically copy the code you need to enter onto your clipboard. So, all you have to do is press Ctrl+V when the window opens, and it will start to download.

If it gives you any "set your client to receive transfers" message, go to the Options, then the "DCC" menu, then the "Ignore" menu, and set "Method:" to disabled.

Or go to http://www.novatorrent.com and download the program.

Then go to www.suprnova.org and search for "fahrenheit".

LMAO
 

Here's some more from that site NM linked us to.



Many of his fans point-out that Moore is NOT anti-gun, and point to his membership in the NRA (as well as the very guns he owns) as proof. However, at the same time, he is the poster-boy for gun-control.

If you can't see the hypocrisy in this, then you're a moron; he's preaching veganism while eating a steak.

In Bowling, Michael Moore brags that he is a "lifetime member" of the NRA. So it might be expected that Moore would inform viewers about the NRA's noble anti-slavery history, but not quite. In his brief history of America cartoon he attempts the opposite and does an admirable job of welding racism to the NRA wherever possible as detailed in other places of this site. The main issue here is Moore's phony respect for the organization. Instead of coming out against it and opposing what he feels are dangerous and detrimental actions, he feigns neutrality in Bowling For Columbine when it is clear he despises the organization.

Just look at what Moore says about the NRA himself :

"After Columbine, I decided that I would run against Charlton Heston for the presidency of the NRA. If elected, my plan was to try to return the NRA to a gun safety organization, instead of its current agenda of gun fanaticism. The rules said that to run for president, you had to be a member for the past five years or buy a lifetime membership for $750. And that's what I did. But after a while I realized this endeavor was going to take too much time, so I decided to focus all my attention on the movie I was making."

Well, first off, Moore didn't make that COMEDY piece. It was the South Park guys.

Second, I'm yet to see any tangible evidence of the NRA being strongly anti-slavery, except by their own claims in response to things like this.

Third, it's ironic that this genius would chastise Moore for not understand the NRA and then think that being for gun control and being for gun rights are mutually exclusive. Though it mystifies me that Moore can be against Dean on Gun control (while claiming not to be anti-gun), that doesn't even come up in Columbine.

The Hardline gun nuts claim that every restriction on guns will immediately turn into men in black helicopters taking away their guns. The NRA was so panicked by optional ttrigger locks being included with two company's guns that they called for boycotts from their measure. Because, you know, if you exercise any degree of reasonable safety when dealing with a firearm, you're unAmerican and the terrorists have won. And obviously, the next logical conclusion is that the people who include them optionally are taking away your rights...Somehow.

Trust me. I live in Vermont. Gun laws are pretty lax, and a lot of the gun owners are actually reasonable. It's pretty hard to believe on such a polar issue, I know. Being from a state with such a gun culture, I know first-hand that there are NRA members who still believe in reasonable gun rights and reasonable gun control.

Following that, there's the origin of the NRA, which has fuck all to do with being a lobbyist group for mob justice and a nuke in every home. :p

I just saw it tonight. It was good except the asshole 3 rows ahead of us was smoking the whole time. Also people did a standing ovation to this movie so I yelled out "who the hell are you clapping to" which got a laugh and ended the clapping

I'm bored, so more on that site.

There are some trivial, rather silly details in the scene that arise from simple shoddy filmmaking. The scene shows a dog with gun on it's back & a wounded hunter lying on the ground. We're supposed to think we're watching video from the accident, but several mistakes make this pretty obviously not true.

1. The dog is calmly moving around -- which it wouldn't be if a hunting rifle had just gone off over his head and blown his eardrums in.
   
2. The Hunter, who was in fact shot in the leg, is lying there quietly - dare I say 'dead looking.' (I'm reminded of the scene towards the end of Trainspotting where a kitten innocently plays around a dead character).
   
3. Why would someone just be standing there filming this? They would no doubt be panicking to get help or help their wounded comrade in some kind of frenzy -- not calmly video taping the whole thing.

A little further down...

Well, what's more important is the fact that in reality, the Darwin Award winning hunters had tried to take a photo with a still camera, and did not have video (1)

Well, people and animals don't always behave as are expected. As a matter of fact, i've seen real video where a guy was hurt and his friends kept filming. Surprised? It makes it to those "real TV" styled shows sometimes, even.

The best part is "The Darwin Awards said otherwise, so it must be fake."

Wrong.

The Darwin awards have included false/incorrect information before, probably will again.

The Darwin awards have mistaken facts, and there have been a few stories at least that made it up without even ever happening.

Once again, however, Moore does not tell the whole story. True, the state of North Dakota did issue a permit to McWilliams to carry a concealed weapon. But, he is not totally blind. He is able to distinguish day from night, light from dark.

Newsflash.

THERE ARE A TON OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE BLIND AND HAVE SOME MARGINAL AMOUNT OF SIGHT. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE IS, INDEED, BLIND.

Being able to distinguish light from dark or a black shape from a white shape should not be sufficient to won a gun, because it's not gonna be enough to reasonably handle a gun in most situations. This realistically is a problem.

Again, raised around guns. Vermont. I've handled and fired guns, so I'm far from the suburban audience this shmuck tries to generalise as the anti-gun folk. Nor do I feel superior to gun toters.

Man, this site is so fun to pick apart.

Well this is SOME revelation!!!

Michael Moore pisses me off. When I saw Bowling for Columbine, I felt like Moore was talking to viewers as if they didn't know shit. Though I like his message and plan on seeing Farenheit, I still don't like that guy. But don't get me wrong, I do love what he is trying to do, I just don't like his personality. And that shit at the Oscars saying "Shame on you, Mr. Bush" was totally out of place. Hey, I hate Bush too, but I don't turn on the Oscars to watch some punk ass talk about his political views. Fuck politics. Also, it always pisses me off when I see some white dude saying how most people are bad... motherfucker should take a look in the mirror.

I demand a bag of popcorn as royalties.

I thyink Moore comes off as a bit of an ass sometimes, but I would say thats because he's had to deal with the American media who does whatever they can to shut people like him up (you know guys who tell the truth about Bush and his agenda).

In terms of the Oscars, at that time the right was using every public gathering as a forum to credit Bush and "unify" the country against terrorism. If you recall at that time, there was no opposing voice nobody had the balls to speak up against Bush and co. So I give credit to Moore for using a public gathering where a lrge portion of the country would be watching TV to speak up.

Freedom of Speech is just that, and I would tend to argue that a political view that will save thousands of American lives is more important than handing out gold statues to millionaires.

Why?

He said it twice on Leno alone. he even defended some criticism he got for his "Payback's a bitch!" comments regarding 9-11/Iraq.

Of course, if you think that the people who orchestrated 9-11 were Iraqi, then you're a moron. No number of large words can fix the blatant stupidity in that statement.

Moore has to dumb his message down to get it across. Anyone that says he makes you feel stupid should feel proud of themselves. Proud they aren't so ignorant that they understand things clearer than the average person.

Michael Moore knows that probably over 50% of the people who know who he is hate him, but he is making that sacrafice to get his message across. So frankly, you people hating the man for any reason at all, really doesn't matter.

I just got back from seeing the movie. Now I enjoy to watch much of Michael Moores work from Awful Truth, Roger & Me and even his books. To me this movie seemed like his book "Dude, Where's my country?" turned into an updated movie. If you keep yourself updated with news and read a few liberal books here and there nothing all that new is being presented here. I am a huge Michael Moore fan, don't get me wrong, but for Farenheit 9/11 I was disapointed. It wasn't really the hype, it had some play I suppose. I can see people liking this movie and I think people should go see it, if it is just to see the different side. I left the theater with an overall meh feeling towards the movie. The Big One still takes the cake for me.

I think the Government should enlist Michael Moore to make films for them.

Then maybe we can finally eliminate the Jews.

I agree with PapaGeorgio about it being kind of an updated "Dude, Wheres my Country?"

I was aware of a lot of the news events they talked about already, but still a great movie.

Heres the only thing that changed my vote from Bush to Kerry.

The Bush Admin. hasn't just been protesting the movie. They've tried to shut it DOWN. Not let it even get out. And in doing that, the went against every act of free speech ive stood up for. they proved they werent american. Bush, your done man. Your DONE.

Saw it. Meh. Politics. Was good though. BFC was better.

I was gonna go see this tonight, but my plans got jarbled up so we're gonna see it another time. Looks pritty hot though (PUN INTENDED), and I'm not usually big on all this political stuff

Saw it July 4th. Pretty good. LOL @ the end.

<font color=lightgreen>Saw it last week with a friend and we laughed at the antics of Bush. I never saw the trailer so I was glad to have missed that line cause it's gold. And the ending is funny too, now that line I have seen on a TV show once. I can't remember which talk show, but they showed that clip for humor...

I think everyone should see it. It opens your eyes about all that is going on behind the scenes and gives you a different slant that you don't see from the news channels (FOX anyone?). As for the books, I bought Stupid White Men and then I am going to purchase Dude Where's my Country later on when I finish this one...:y:</font>

I saw it on Saturday and it was a great film. LOL when Bush said "I call upon all nations to help stop these terrorist killers. Thank you. Now watch this drive."

After seeing Michael Moore's newest film a few weeks ago, I learned another important lesson in life that I added to the other things I learned after 21 years of being on this earth:

1. Never get into a fist fight with Mike Tyson.

2. Never play a one-on-one basketball game with Michael Jordan.

3. Never agree to a rap duel with Eminem.

4. If you can't sing and you know this, don't try out for American Idol so you can get verbally abused by Simon. There are others way you can get 5 minutes of fame.

5. Don't ever argue politics with Michael Moore. ;)

BTW: I am still voting for President Bush. Because if he wins, Dana Carvey may do brief cameos on Saturday Night Live doing his famous impression of Papa Bush which has made me laugh since I was a kid. :D

Now it is true that I am an ultra-conservative. At least I was.

Granted, over the years I have changed some of my views to be more liberal such as abortion, gun control and yes, even the war in Iraq which I originally supported.

But after watching Michael Moore's film I saw that I was wrong.

I also am against the draft as well and any recruiters strong arming young people into joining. Thank goodness I look like Gomer Pyle from Full Metal Jacket. I am sure most recruiters would be scared if they saw me walking into Walmart. ;)

Well, not really. But I do have dyslexia and A. D. D. and a few other learning disabilities which would hopefully keep me from ever being drafted.

Or heck, I'd just tell them I was gay and show them my collection of musical soundtracks and all of my Oz episodes I have taped over the years. ;)

Okay, okay enough cheesy jokes. Back on topic.

Anyway, these days.........I'd label myself as being in the "middle of the road" and fall under the "undecided" category when it comes to the election this year. I'll have to listen to the debates between President George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry before I finally decide.

Now when you are undecided, you tend to be pretty popular and get more attention then anyone because both sides try to sell you the same thing.

But even though I am all about the elephant for the most part, I ALWAYS give each side a fair listen.

That is one of my few great characteristics. I should be a judge.

That is why I went and saw Moore's film. To be fair. And you know what? He presents a very strong argument. He is a smart man. [Attacking him for his weight is a cheap shot too.]

Like I said, it was his film and seeing the clips from Iraq and the actual facts that made me realize that the war in Iraq was wrong.

It was "Bowling for Columbine" that now makes me support gun-control 100%.

I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for Michael Moore.

I think America is a great country, but it also has a lot of problems too and it needs to be cleaned up badly.

Okay, enough sucking up to Michael Moore.....

Now it's time to be fair and listen to what the conservatives have to say in response.

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com

Check that one out.

When this movie comes out, if it is playing here in my hometown...I'll go and see it.

But if anyone could get me to be more liberal and talk me into voting for Senator John Kerry, it's Michael Moore.

Because twice now he has gotten me to change my views on things. Views I have had for ages but once I saw clips and saw the facts and such and heard a very strong argument, there was nothing I could say in response to defend my views on Gun-control and the war in Iraq of course.

But as I said, I am still undecided. Moore's movies have made me more open-minded towards the issues of the world but I am probably still more Conservative then Liberal.