Jericho is a great wrestler. I don't know if he's gotten lazy, stopped caring, or what, but he's just not Jericho these days. Halfass Jericho is still kinda entertaining, but he's not the same guy.

The main question of this thread is, has he put on a showstealing match since his return. No is quite simply the answer. The thing BDC is getting at, is that if he is proclaimed by IWC to be the dog's bollocks, then he should be stealing the show in his PPV matches.

Television is tricky, because its usually a short timeframe and the finish is the important selling part. But I don't think he has had a standout match since his return. I also agree that he seems to slow the pace alot more than i've ever seen and you can see, and hear him calling the moves, especially in the early part of matches when the crowd is cold.

Excusing it that he is working JBL, thus restricting his ability to put on a great match? Come on. JBL had some really good matches when he was the World Champ, so surely adding that with Jericho would produce a good match. Its certainly unlucky that he doesn't have WCW cruisers, or Eddie, or Benoit or Angle to put on a show with anymore... But it certainly didn't take Chris Jericho for Angle, or Benoit or Eddie to steal the show regularly.

I think he needs a total gimmick change, heel turn, the whole lot to give him the chance to work a match and a crowd in a different way. At the moment, breaking the walls down and the same move set isn't lighting any fires.

Thats my 2 cents.

You're looking at things logically, something that will get you scorned and ignored out of inconvenience.

Well i've just seen jericho's match v cm punk, good stuff imo. Oh and btw, it hasn't been over 6 months dumbass. And don't even tell me that bdc has a point here, he knows what he's doing, even if jericho had a 5 star match bdc wouldn't notice it.

Well I don't really care what net marks think. I mean, nobody will ever deny that Bret Hart was one of the best wrestlers of all time, but did his gimmick, and mood set get stale as hell, especially in the last 2 years of his career? Hell yes.

And that would be fine if he was the Undertaker, but he was renound for his wrestling skill and the way he could bring the best out of anybody, and he was failing to live up to his standard at that point.

Doesn't mean I don't admire The Hitman, its just how it is.

And nobody in this entire discussion is suggesting Jericho isn't an outstanding wrestler, he has simply settled into the same casual and lazy rut he was in before he left, and as people who enjoy high standards from great wrestlers, its an observation worth making.

Who is talking about a 6 minute match for TV? Nobody in this thread mate.

Nah they didn't.

Tbh i think you guys are over judgmental of jericho atm, for one thing you can't just expect 5 star matches every week from him especially when he's had a lot of time off. And also, he has been pretty entertaining and certainly does the IC title no damage with him being the champ.

No one watched the MVP v Jericho match? :( I'm not saying it was 5 stars or anything but that was way better than Punk v Jericho and I'm not even an MVP fan.

Fabien, bdc asked me about it yesterday. Like i said, bdc knows what he's doing.

I saw the mvp jericho match also, again, very good stuff.

Were you actually expecting more?

im still expecting to see jericho main eventing again in future, can't expect to go straight to the top within the first few months ffs.

This has nothing to to with his placement on the card, it is about the standard of his work. The two things are not the same. The majority of Benoits best work in WWE was based around the IC title. Why don't you argue the point that is at hand?

His work has been fine since his comeback.

I'm just picking up on the points being raised in this thread fabien, idiot. And rob is correct.

Then put that in the 'Its been 6 months... and how many OK matches has Jericho performed in.' Thread.

Im not trying to be a dick or anything, but the main point of this thread has been virtually ignored by most who have posted in it.

Thing is, it hasn't been 6 months has it?

You know, after calling BDC out on it not being over six months, I really can't believe you said that. I mean, isn't that EXACTLY what he did?

You talking about his one main event match v orton or something? Thats not what im on about..

And yet you're still "on about" the technicality of the timeframe?

I still don't get your point. Yes he had a match agaisnt orton, but he was never gonna win it. I was saying there was no way he was gonna be pushed to the top CONSISTANTLY straight away. Especially with hhh/cena and orton running the show.

Jericho was never involved in a program with the World Champion Randy Orton, I think KK is making things up again....:roll:

And what was the point in that post IC?

LOL yeah, I see your point. After he's been jobbing for a year, THEN he'll rise to the top amidst Triple H and Orton and Cena running the show. Perfect sense, mang.

He's not jobbing though is he? Didn't he just beat the MITB winner/the ic title recently?

I was merely pointing out how Jericho wasn't involved in a main event program with Randy Orton.

So one win now equaals not jobbing? Christ, even Val Venis won once or twice. And Stevie Richards.

That's two wins i've mentioned actually. Plus its not like he's been seriously jobbing every match now is it. Only time i can remember him being booked to looked like a jobber was v big show when he got himself dq'ed which makes no sense, other than that everythings been fine imo. But, believe what you want, its fuckin late here so im off now.

Knight Fact: Kane still believes that Chris Jericho is never coming back.

The only thing I was expecting was for him to be feuding with better wrestlers than JBL and Hardy. I pretty much gave up on another world title reign years ago, and now I just wanna see great Jericho matches.

Exactly. And win or lose, card position aside, That is the crux of this discussion, and how they are yet to happen. Chris Jericho can put on great matches, supposedly with anyone. So where are they.

And please don't anyone come back with 'well, he had a good 5 minute match on raw this week' because i heard it and it still doesn't matter to the point of this thread.

The match wasn't even that good. It's mostly a function of two smark darlings being in the ring at the same time. And people can pull this bullshit about how I only think so because I hate Punk (I don't really hate Punk, I mostly think that someone who is gushed about should be more than mediocre), but I'm a Jericho fan as well. I'm just not so blindly fanatical about my fanships that I will stop calling a lackluster match lackluster.

And while the match itself may not be to the point, the reaction kind of is. The defense of Jericho here seems to primarily be from that standpoint. Someone as amazing as Jericho doesn't need excuses, and he shouldn't need to be fellated, either. Jericho's been lazy. Period. I'm sorry if this gets people all Butthurt because of their closet homoerotic feelings for Jericho (Can't think of why else people would hump his leg so thoroughly), but really, evidently the only counterclaims seem to be srawmen or ad hominems.