u realize he could come back into the show if he loses?

Why they may be similar their still not the same are they? You would've been correct in saying "Yeah he has 1 KO but he also has 5 TKO's due to him pummeling someone with his fists" but you went with ignoring the differences and classified them as the same exact thing. If your going to list sherdog as a source for why they are one in the same, I ask you to look at how the UFC lists the stats of their fighters.

A TKO can also be called when a fighter isn't intelligently defending themselves. That doesn't really show the stopping power of the fighter dealing the damage, only the inability of the fighter receiving the shots to deal with it. That could be due to poor training, him panicking, or a number of factors. Or the ref seeing that he will be out soon, but that isn't always the case.

I'm curious to know what I said that makes me look like I know what is going on here. The fact I wasn't shy to correct you on your erroneous statement, or advise you to use an edit feature when you had three posts back to back maybe? What a sock of me to know how to use a simple internet messaging board function.

Also if you worded your posts better than simply trying to correct someone with a one liner, maybe I would know what your getting at. But instead of trying to prove a point with your post, you tried to discredit someone by stating they made a false statement. Which is ironic because they didn't at all, but you clearly did.

Loose Cannon may be a mod, but he was jumping in on our discussion just to basically call me a noob. Nothing else. No adding to the argument, no providing another viewpoint. How else should I react?

Speaking of jumping into someone elses conversation... Anyway, after you decided to enter the conversation, i went on to tell you "what i was getting at" which was a point that krispy would have figured out without you.

I am aware of all the different types of finishes that are under the TKO umbrella ( I mentioned some in my last post) and good for you, you were able to throw some out too! Just for shits and giggles I went to the UFC website and looked at the stats. For example when lesnar "TKOed" Couture, it was clear that he had Randy at one point in time unconscious OR when Jardine "TKOed" Forrest, and the ref let forrest's head bounce off the canvas 3 or 4 times before he stopped it (forrest was out). All the while all those finishes came from a big punch putting them down, which is how Roy does it.

I already gave my reasons for thinking your a sock but heres some of this I found of you 5 posts in...

and the next post after that...

hmmmm im not the only one to see something wrong here.

but seriously dude shut the fuck up. Just stick to modern warfare jacking it to anime and wishing you were a fighter.:y::yes:

depending how you spaz to that Im going to know that ur a sock or not so be careful

I wasn't referring to how the UFC decides what exactly is a TKO. Just the simple fact that they don't consider a TKO and a KO to be the same thing.

Dude do you realize your arguing with me for something I've never said lmao. I've never once said that a TKO can't be a testimate to someone's KO power. I've simply argued that a TKO and a KO are not the same thing. Which really shouldn't be that hard to understand. Geesh.

Like I said earlier if you had worded your original post better, showing what you where trying to say, instead of claiming Roy had 6 KO's to his name when he clearly doesn't. We wouldn't be arguing right now. But you didn't do that. Instead you chose to get all butt hurt when I corrected you, and began hurling silly insults my way.

About that post of mine you quoted. What can I say I dislike stupidity. But if you wanna keep being paranoid that is your business. I could also go through your posts, and dog you about anything you've ever commented about, but I don't find you that interesting really. Sorry. :-\

It's not me, Reav. Kris P Lettus is my Sock account.

All I can think about with Kimbo, is he has done TV interviews in the last few weeks promoting TUF, and I believe the entire series was in the can by then... Would he be doing this if he got beaten in the first round?

Now im positive hes a sock... and from the UK...


Fabien, I think someone isnt going to be able to fight and then hes going to come back after his first loss. Happens every season, and... Matt Mitrione (the heavywweight tha played for the jets) has been at Overtime for the last few weeks and he runs his mouth a lot. And he hinted towards what Im saying.

A friend of mine told me that Kimbo goes the distance. Then I also hear that he gets killed in his first fight.

It all means fuck all and is all speculation. We will know when the show goes on the air.

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I have a feeling Kimbo will never be knocked out because his beard will absorb all punches.

he could get killed his first fight and still go the distance

True. Wanna speculate together for a bit?

kimbo might have a massive underbite but his beard hides it, so nobody ever hits his chin :cool:

YES!

I think that he wins!

Yeah, but it wouldn't be the same. It would negate all the hype. Why watch a "beast" fight if the last two fights he's had, he's gotten his ass kicked?

Kind of hurts his credibility.

Even though, everyone loses at some point, I want to see Kimbo Smash.

Oh Man, that sneak peak, mays Roy look like a fat slob. He was even getting his ass kicked in training if you watch it.

I wonder if Kimbo has been training hard before TUF.

I think he beats brock

Hes fighting the best guy on the show first fight.... him losing hurts nothing

^


Roy by Massacre.

I'm going to say this again.

By all fighting logic Roy Nelson should destroy Kimbo Slice.

People who are saying that Kimbo wouldn't be on the talk show circut if he lost in the first round, are mistaken. I'm sure Kimbo is getting paid to be on The Ultimate Fighter, and part of them paying him is him being obligated to do press for the UFC. So reguardless of if he got knocked out in the third fight or if he made it to the finale he's probably contractually obligated to do the press tour.

:wtf:

I'll tell you right now, i KNOW Kimbo will put up a better fight than the last two dudes Rampage put in there.

Wes can be a solid fighter if he gets his cardio up

I would put up a better a fight then those 2.

any streams for the second episode?

love you :heart:

holy crap that was probably the most fucking shit fight i have ever seen. shivers was fucking useless and dead within half a round, and that other tit was going in with flying kicks and giving away his back loads and had pretty shite stamina too. worst of all those was the way the lanky fella was there for the taking about 6 fucking times and instead of capitalizing mcsweeney steps back for a breather, disgusting.

honestly thought mcsweeney would be good when i saw him doing padwork, he has good speed and technique but it's obvious his head isn't there when it actually comes to fighting. when they showed the stats before the fight and i saw he was 3-3 alarm bells started ringing.

i can't believe they even get the chance to compete for a UFC contract with stamina that bad and such an absolute lack of desire. it makes a mockery of the whole ultimate fighter show tbh.

to be fair to shivers, when your built like him at his size, it is very hard to have good cardio. Look at bob sapp. When you have all that muscle and mass to pump blood too, your body just isnt capable of getting oxygen to where it needs to go if your that big.

yeah i accept that but really he was fucked within 2 minutes. there isn't a chance of him lasting 5 5 minute rounds, to be honest i doubt he'd last 1 with anyone of skill.

ANOTHER THING. i mean really if you can't make it outside of one round without gassing i think you need to look at another sport. i think almost anyone in the know would agree that MMA is probably the most cardio intensive sport going at the moment. i wouldn't ever go into an MMA fight without being at the fittest i had ever been.

Yea totally... but thats why theres such a huge drop off from the elite to everyone else.

Johnny Mcnasty is Rob btw

More than soccer?

From someone who used to play soccer, and now is training a bit of fighting (BJJ, Muay Thai) I can truly say MMA so far is way harder on the cardio

theres no way... he went after me when i corrected krispy

I won't lie, I'm pumped right now

Thank God for logic.

You said "destroy". Roy didn't destroy him.

Alright, fair enough. He didn't "destroy" him. But he made Kimbo look like a vastly inferior fighter.

Roy is a bitch.

I missed the preview for next week is kimbo possible for fighting?

Yeah they are making it seem like Kimbo could be fighting again because that big black guy collapses.

I don't know. All this talk of Nelson and the performance he put on was not impressive. If Kimbo lost it wasn't gonna be anything new and we've already seen what kind of fighter he was in his last fight and he hasn't really trained that much between then but if he improves he could really be something. If he had good take down defense or could have gotten himself free at will then I believe he could have knocked Nelson out or at least win by decision.

I understand why that was stopped, but it didn't look like Kimbo was hurt at all?

That was such a horrible fight.

ZOMFUCKINGG CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SPOILED THIS IN THIS THREAD ABOUT THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER.

Man I was hoping Kimbo would beat the odds. Dude needs to just drill takedown defense and escaping from the bottom for the rest of the time he is on the show. If he can keep a fight up on the feet I don't see anyone giving him problems. It looked like he had Roy in trouble before the takedown, but Roy was just too experienced and knew exactly what to do.

I really didn't like the way the fight ended. Everyone could see those shots where not hurting Kimbo at all, but Kimbo couldn't defend himself properly so what can you do? Thought we would see some kind of submission from Roy, but whatever gets you the W works I guess.

Hope Kimbo gets another chance sometime before the show ends.

Dude really needs some takedown defense, or escapes. Thought he had Country after he tagged him a couple times

I don't know about that stoppage...

Really hope Roy Nelson gets the shit knocked out of him. Cannot stand the fat fuck.

I forgot to say that Rampage was simply brillant tonight. From him making fun of McSweeney's accent to the talking head of him just going to town on Roy. How do you get the Moon off of you? lmao.

Rules are rules I guess but that was mad dumb. Can't blame the dude for doing it though. He even said it during the show, if you continually punch someone (hard or not) and there's no response they gotta stop it.

I disagree with the whole " he need takedown defense stuff " yah he can be better, but he showed a few things. 1st round he got parked up against the fence and Nelson was trying to get him down, but Kimbo showed some really nice wrist control. He didnt let Roy Nelson get his sencond hand around him. Eventually Nelson got him down, but ultimately Kimbo's wrist control saved him from getting TKO'ed the first round because by the time Nelson locked his arms to the ground and started pounding him, the round was over.

Kimbo does need better ground defense, but consider this...BJ Penn got put into the same position and got pounded out by Hughes. And you can say " well Hughes is so much better then Nelson on the ground ", but you can also say " BJ Penn is one of the greatest ground technicians in the game ". So either way. Kimbo has some work to do.

I personally dont think Kimbo has a major future in MMA, but who knows. I was put off by Nelson's arrogance after the fight.

Nelsons a fatty who thinks he's better than he is. He's decent at best, but because he beat Kimbo, he acted like he just won the heavyweight championship via girlie punches in a crucifix. It was a bitch win, plain and simple.

Did what he needed to do, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what we think.

I was impressed by Kimbo's stand up, it actually looked reasonably crisp, but obviously as soon as it hit the ground he was lost.

He looked like a legit tough dude in there, once he gets a semblance of takedown d, he could be a legit banger in the heavyweight division. Put him against someone else who likes to brawl and you've got yourself marketable fights and that's all anyone can want from Kimbo at this point.

:cool:

The punches were weak, but I think the position was more devastating than anything else. Kimbo was more or less defenseless, and had no answer for Crucifix position. At that point, it doesn't really matter how hard you hit.
As for Dana's bitching, well, I also agreed with what he had to say after the Shivers-McSweeney fight. Oh yeah... he didn't say SHIT about that abomination. Hey, at least Roy ended the fight.Also, the after fight thing, I thought it was more about him joking about how fat he was, which he and Dana did BEFORE the fight. Dana also laughed about the whole Double Whopper thing at the time. He only talked shit AFTER the fight, during the commentary.

Seriously, out of the three people who have fought and lost, Kimbo will get a second shot. Abe probably won't get cleared after the cut and Shivers looked like the drizzling shit.

That was lame. I think the ref should have put them back on their feet. I know Roy was in control, but he was just throwing weak punches not doing any damage but just doing it to rack up points. He is a fat fuck who got on Kimbos head, and won because he couldnt get the fat off his head.

That said, Kimbo wasnt even trying to get out, so I dunno.

Weak Sauce.

Shots to the forehead are more annoying than anything

I think right at the moment he just chose to give a fake laugh instead of tear into Nelson's ass because everyone already knew what happened in that fight.

What are you talking about Reavant, YOU KNOW NOTHING

Im not saying, Im just saying

kimbo actually looked pretty decent. he stopped the takedowns well for the most part, had good hands. his transition blocking is a bit cack and he's a bit too stiff on his feet, doesn't circle enough but i'm sure he can learn them easily enough.

nelson was ok. seems like a very boring fighter, he didn't have to hit hard so he didn't. i can see why dana would be annoyed cause if i had to pay to see one of those guys fight it'd be kimbo every time, even if you took out his whole back story and just had him as the fighter he is now.

rampage is still a fucking terrible cornerman. i don't know why he doesn't just shut the fuck up and let the actual coaches do the shouting. "get up get up get up get up" as if that hadn't occurred to kimbo previously.

You don't do a stand up when one guy has another in the crucifix. That is a dominant position, it would have been an abomination if Herb Dean stood him up when he was dominating Kimbo. Sure the punches didn't appear to be hurting Kimbo at all but you're forgetting the most important thing...

...Kimbo didn't do a damn thing to try and get up from bottom position. He didn't try to buck, he didn't try to scoot over to even try and establish guard. He didn't do anything. He just laid their like a useless slug. The stoppage was just, cause Kimbo flat out gave up on the ground. It was the same exact thing that happened to him in the James Thompson. Which shows to me that Kimbo either doesn't want to grow, or is too slow of a learner to compete. Kimbo's ground defense was a joke.

That and I'm not impressed with Kimbo's "power." He hit Roy flush a few times and didn't knock him down.

I just watched the fight... and i have to say wow to some of you and a big :y: to ^TSO

I was impressed with Kimbo's ability to last past the first round against Roy, and the fact that some of his standup was decent. Not crazy power but he can definitley swing.

Dana gave Roy a bad rap, so the fuck what if Roy "only did enough to win", dude's gotta fight a bunch of other fights why would he want to risk perhaps breaking his hand or giving up position if he can get thefight stopped by throwing low risk punches?

is it one or 2 more fights to get to the finals for Roy?

2

Reav from way DOWNTOWN (owen brown)..

Roy fought like a bitch.. Kinda weird Ben Rothwell is co-headlining a PPV while Roy Nelson is on TUF..

Roy deserved to win that fight the way he did, tbh. Whether the punches were soft or not, he trapped Kimbo in the same crucifix trap TWICE. He neutralized Kimbo's obvious physical superiority by locking Kimbo into a position where he could not defend himself. Hats off to Roy.

Thing about Dana White is, he likes fighters that leave it all out there, not fighters who squeak by..

I think Dana forgets that MMA is a mental game sometimes. Roy incapacitated Kimbo and got a legit win using his experience and cage smarts. It seems like Dana just wants explosiveness and bloodshed all the time which is cool but it's not what the sport is all about. Not something you'd expect from the President of the fucking UFC.

If it weren't for Dana White UFC (actually MMA in general in America)would have gone under like 8 years ago, instead of being on tv every day of the week..

Right. And I understand exciting fights are good for publicity and television but it's a little unrealistic to think that these guys are going to go trailblazing after each other with wreckless abandon every single time. Especially on TUF where you must fight anywhere up to 3 fights in an extremely short period of time. An intelligent victory should be praised, not shit on by the President of the company. That's alls I'm sayin here.

its not gonna make him money though, that's the thing. i dont think any fighter happy to continuously get points victorys in the UFC would last very long. we'll see how it pans out though.

Point victory? Are you speaking of Roy's win? It was a TKO.

i know i know. i guess what i am trying to say is the UFC is pretty big on explosive endings. cause that sells better. i guess what i am trying to say is nelson's attitude towards the whole thing might not be in line with the UFCs and the direction they are trying to go. i think everyone knows they will use every loophole possible to get kimbo to win this series somehow or another, it's a bit gay really.

Griffin/Bonnar 1

what?

Not every fight has to be like that. Or have the same mentallity of trying to do that.

Roy used his skill to easily beat an inferior fighter. It was lose/lose for him going into that fight. He took the thinkers way out.

watched it last night. I was dissapointed Kimbo lost, but he looked pretty good standing up. he was moving around a lot and got a few good shots in.

when he went down that was another story and we all knew it was coming.

Apparently the show was the highest rated TUF ever, so you can bet your ass Kimbo will be back.

yeah, it's blatantly a matter of when not if kimbo makes it into the ufc now. even if he has to go away and train some more and reappear in another TUF a couple of years down the line, he is worth too much to dana not to. it's cool though, he's an interesting fighter and he actually seems like a really good guy which surprised me. Even if he isn't there as a fighter and liable to get smashed in no time the last thing the UFC need is a Fedor/Kimbo fight.

mask..... stop it

what

oh shit nevermind... i read ur post too fast i thought you were calling for a kimbo fedor fight

lol

Damn, i cant find the link...but on Yahoo Sports, they said Dana Whites planning on signing Kimbo regardles. I think thats a full blown conclusion at this point. Even if he doesnt rack up wins, he'll always be a draw...

foregone conclusion isn't it? I can't remember the exact way of saying it but it's not full blow conclusion :p

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16366/roy-...of-the-ufc.mma

Interesting interview for Roy Nelson. I disagree with the whole LHW just being a "Stand and Bang" division, but I think it's interesting how he isn't phased by the whole "He's just a fatass" dismissal.

And he's right: the fight SHOULD have been stopped in the first.

Nelson sucks too though. Watching the fight made me cringe a little. I mean either fighter could easily been ko'd by a fast/quick striker. But that's what they are there for to improve.

The Nelson/Arlovski fight was interresting because of a questionable stand-up (which occured WHILE Nelson was working for a Kimura.). It was the only time he got stopped.

You called Kimbo losing and him reappearing later in the season like a week and a half ago..

The ratings for the fight are through the roof. But Dana has always argued that with Kimbo, it's not that he can draw, it's how he draws.

Smart business to take a draw, and teach him how to fight. Fucking loooooooong way to go yet, mind.

I used to dislike Kimbo. He was a thug on the internet beating up nobodies. When I watched his first fight I was hoping he'd lose. Then he did and now he gets another chance to get in MMA and I'm rooting for him.

no really nelson doesnt suck at all. He tried to take as little damage in the fight and work as little as possible so that he was fresh for the tournament. He is actually one of the best ground fighters in MMA. He even beat frank mir in a grappling match. And besides tell me how many heavyweights out there fall under the umbrella of fast/quick strikers.