Mysterio putting his mask on the line led to fantastic matches with Punk and Jericho.

Angle and Edge - hair match

Cena vs. Barrett was fucking great. And it was edge of your seat exciting because if Cena lost he joined Nexus. Come the fuck on, people.

Bret Hart and Jerry Lawler had a great feud revolving around foot kissing.

Well, you're comparing extremes though. How about Rotten VS. Balls Mahoney in ECW compared to one of those matches that Abyss had for Hogan's HOF Ring? Well, bad example...

Sandman VS. Sabu in Stairway to Hell VS. Kidman VS. Shane Douglas in the Viagra on a Pole match.

And yes, I realize that Sabu can be considered a good to great wrestler and is considered by many to have been a great high flier (not to mention myself), however many of his matches were garbage and more than a little of the reason that so many look so fondly back upon Sabu is because of Heyman's booking and editing out of all the botches and boring parts on Hardcore TV.

Kidman was at the time a great wrestler, so was Shane Douglas, and the end-of-match stipulation made for a crappy match.

I think Mask and hair matches are fine.

You're arguing that a match that's guaranteed to be crappy is preferable to a match that may be good or may be bad. Are you retarded?

Every match that added another man kissing Vince McMahon's ass is a travesty.

That's not what I'm arguing. You'd know that if you read the thread title along with my previous posts.

A crappy stipulation can still lead to better things, Saturn did alright after wearing a dress.

I dunno. Whatever.

You guys are dumb and I hate you.

That is not what you wrote in your livejournal today. Stop having a period and join in the conversation like you normally do. WTF MAN?!

I've given several examples of why you're wrong and I'm right. I thought you loved facts, gay boy.

I'm glad somebody else is on my page here.

That was essentially what you were saying, though.

A crappy match with crappy wrestlers is better than a match with crappy stipulations, whether the wrestlers are good or not. That's what you're saying, right?

I'm spinning it as, when the potential for tarnishing someone's legacy is greater than the potential for two lesser performers to screw up a match, I would rather watch the two lesser performers rather than suffer the heart-ache.

Two amazing wrestlers not being able to live up to their potential seems a greater sin than allowing two fat guys to hit each other with chairs for a while.

Also I didn't say the gimmick was necessarily stupid, street fights and ECW "rules" can be fun to watch.

What were the exact stipulations for viagra on a pole match?

It's like if Edward Norton did Big Momma's House, I'd rather watch Bob Sagget play Norton's role in Fight Club than watch Norton degrade himself to play in a fat-suit and fart a lot.

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This is Ed Norton playing Big Momma...

My lord, you are reaching now. Sigh....

Which would you rather watch, though? Also, name one silly stipulation match that tarnished a great workers legacy that wasn't intended to do so (i.e. Saturn in a dress was a punishment).

Whoah. I started watchin' it on youtube and the commentators said

"If you get the bottle of viagra, you can use it on your opponent".

WHAT THE FUCK

Ed Norton would never take a role like Big Momma, but just for the sake of your side, let's say he did. He would have still been the most amazing Big Momma of all time.

Also, sticking Saget in Fight Club doesn't add up for your argument. You were talking about bad workers in bad matches. Fight Club is not a 'bad match'. You'd need to do something like Bob Saget in Daddy Day Camp...which he may have actually been in, for all I know.

Well, Norton once put on a retarded (and fat) suit and made it work.

I wasn't talking about bad workers in bad matches. I was talking about bad workers in gimmick matches.

Incredible Hulk?

Well option A could theoretically be good too on an individual basis, I mean I enjoy Kozlov and Ezekiel Jackson matches whereas most people probably don't, but how many people would enjoy a dog collar match between the two of them?

Or even if you have a match that is straight up awful you could get something so unintentionally hilarious that you may end up enjoying it.

So Fight Club is a 'gimmick movie' then?

I fear Wrestlecrap has poisoned some of your brains.

I'm not saying I'd rather see Nathan Jones and Heidenreich in a ladder match over your Jericho HBK ham sandwich match, I'm just saying it may not be all bad.

But which would you RATHER see?

CLOSE THE THREAD

It was Stevie Ray trying to take the name though, not the new guy. Ahmed was just the replacement for Booker.

The one with a Canadian obviously.

I meant Death to Smoochy.

Dunno, I liked it.

Even still, not a bad premise. It's sort of like divorce court on Thursday Night Thunder.

Great movie.

Hopefully they are more Robert Rhoode than Val Venis though.