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GD 09-29-2011 06:22 PM

I was a huge mark during his underdog days on Smackdown. I love Rey Mysterio's in-ring work but there are certain things that I highly dislike. The way he sets up his opponent for the 619 makes me want to puke sometimes. The way he defeats superheavyweights like Kane, Big Show and Wade Barrett makes me want to bang my head on the wall.

On the other hand, there are certain things that I simply love about him. Like the mask thingy he does with the kids (so adorable). And also on a personal note, I look up to him. He is like a ray of inspiration for a little guy like me.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:24 PM

On a slightly related note, how awesome was it when Rey Mysterio was doing his little mask thing with the audience, only to be punched in the face and jumped by Chris Jericho from the audience? That was brilliant.

Next Big Thing 09-29-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jari (Post 3641743)
I would actually consider it anything but standard. Can't think of anyone who has ever made reference to a legitmately dead co-worker or peer other than Orton and Batista.

HBK or HHH never made reference to Brian Pillman to the Hart Foundation nor did anyone make mention of Owen to Bret thus making it very wide of the mark to suggest that it was "pretty standard heel stuff"

The crowds were still hot for Eddie as they were almost inevitably going to be until the Hall of Fame when Eddie was inducted, that point I don't argue. What was done with the reactions and how they were used for business can be questionned and were by many.

MNM referenced Hawk in their feud with Animal and Heidenreich. I only remember that because I was kind of shocked/surprised by it. I can see both sides where on one hand it does seem like poor taste and a cheap way for heat, but on the other side, it's all scripted and I'm sure that line wasn't crossed without the consent of Rey and maybe even Chavo and Vicky.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:27 PM

To be fair, I seriously doubt any of you would decline an offer to win a World Championship at Wrestlemania in a storyline based/dedicated to your dead friend.

If you do, you're a moron.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:28 PM

I'm going to take this a step further and say that I thought it was more in poor taste to pretend that Vince McMahon was dead.

Next Big Thing 09-29-2011 06:29 PM

I think any wrestler that is a WWE mass marketed babyface for a prolonged period of time will generate resentment from some fans regardless of their in ring performance.

I do agree that Rey is better when he isn't in the "Giant Killer" role or as World Heavyweight Champion. He could probably do with a better finisher for larger opponents too. Seeing him hit the 619 on a guy like Kane is groan worthy.

Jari 09-29-2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3641774)
To be fair, I seriously doubt any of you would decline an offer to win a World Championship at Wrestlemania in a storyline based/dedicated to your dead friend.

If you do, you're a moron.

There's a difference between accepting/refusing the storyline and pointing out a personal problem with a fellow worker getting cheap heat by exploiting one of your friends recent death.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jari (Post 3641792)
pointing out a personal problem with a fellow worker getting cheap heat by exploiting one of your friends recent death.

Are you referring to Orton's comments? I'm kinda lost here...

Jari 09-29-2011 06:47 PM

I am yes.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:52 PM

Heat is heat, if you ask me. I don't think Eddie would have minded himself.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:52 PM

Nah come on. None of us knew any of these guys personally. Eddie and Rey were close, and I'm sure Orton was friends too. They know when they're going too far, and I'm sure they knew Eddie wouldn't have minded. The guy grew up in the wrestling industry, he'd 'get it'.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:53 PM

I know if I was in Eddie shoes, I wouldn't have minded a single bit.

Mind you, it would be totally moot since I'm dead anyway.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:53 PM

Even still, though...this thread is about why people hate Rey Mysterio. Can you really hold the fact that he didn't get upset with Randy Orton (the guy who ACTUALLY SAID IT) against him? I think not.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:55 PM

Of course not. I doubt Orton would have even thought about saying something like that without Rey's blessing.

Juan 09-29-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3641662)
most consistent wrestler of the last 20 years not named Shawn Michaels. He's the man.


jskinnyg 09-29-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3641755)
Can professional wrestling really go 'too far'? I mean, really? It's professional fucking wrestling.

As far as business, didn't the proceeds from Eddie's merch all go to his family? If that's the case, keeping him relevant on TV could only help them, which I think is noble.

Had forgotten about that... And look how much heat Vicki continues to get... And camera time... That helps to pay those bills too...

Nicky Fives 09-29-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3641651)
Rey Mysterio is the man, as long as he doesn't have a microphone or a top tier championship. :y:

my sentiments exactly....

Captain of Fun 09-29-2011 10:20 PM

This is like the 78465764675 time this has been discussed. Can we just move the fuck on already?

St. Jimmy 09-30-2011 01:39 AM

He's short. Lucha + WWE Style Doesn't Work. He cannot cut a promo. His look is goofy. He looks gassed up for a short guy. Due to that Lucha-esque style with his size he is severely limited as to who he can worth with. He's generally a mid-card, low-card talent who has been promoted as a Heavyweight. The concept is laughable. He accentuates the fakeness of wrestling.

Rammsteinmad 09-30-2011 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain of Fun (Post 3641996)
This is like the 78465764675 time this has been discussed. Can we just move the fuck on already?

What? You've only been here for a month. Shut up and discuss Rey Mysterio.

Juan 09-30-2011 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 3642120)
He's short. Lucha + WWE Style Doesn't Work.

So with this statement, I'm assuming you're ignoring all the great matches he's had with guys of all sizes in WWE, yes?

Aguakate 09-30-2011 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3642131)
What? You've only been here for a month. Shut up and discuss Rey Mysterio.

His name really is ironic. He NEVER posts anything positive, he's always bitching and criticizing...

...hence, he really is no "fun" :-\

KaosDarksol 09-30-2011 03:51 AM

I hate him for being pushed due to eddie's death. If Eddie was still alive mysterio would be nowhere near where he is

Juan 09-30-2011 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KaosDarksol (Post 3642186)
I hate him for being pushed due to eddie's death. If Eddie was still alive mysterio would be nowhere near where he is

lol

Captain of Fun 09-30-2011 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3642131)
What? You've only been here for a month. Shut up and discuss Rey Mysterio.


I've been here for 7 years, you limey cunt.

Captain of Fun 09-30-2011 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KaosDarksol (Post 3642186)
I hate him for being pushed due to eddie's death. If Eddie was still alive mysterio would be nowhere near where he is


You are completely fucking delusional.

#BROKEN Hasney 09-30-2011 04:10 AM

Captain of Profanity

ZosoMetalManiac 09-30-2011 05:14 AM

His matches have become predictable to me. I loved Rey Mysterio in his WCW days. If I go back and watch one of those matches, I'm in awe. If I watch his matches now...meh. Not horrible but definitely not the same caliber. Though, it's not all his fault. He's aged and had injuries and all that.

Rammsteinmad 09-30-2011 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain of Fun (Post 3642203)
I've been here for 7 years, you limey cunt.

16th August 2011 was seven years ago?

XL 09-30-2011 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3641651)
Rey Mysterio is the man, as long as he doesn't have a microphone or a top tier championship. :y:

This is pretty accurate, really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3641675)
not to mention he was one of Eddie's legit best friends. Pretty sure he was in a better position to decide what was "too much" in regards to Eddie and his family as opposed to some people on the internet.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE!!!

Captain of Fun 09-30-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3642255)
16th August 2011 was seven years ago?


I am more than meets the eye.

XL 09-30-2011 11:26 AM

I think the only major gripe I've had with Rey over the last few years was when they put the WHC on him for the second time.

IIRC, Rey was due some time off to rest up (for a change) but Taker went out on injury (for a change), I think due to Rey injuring his face. Rey was asked to postpone his rest and all of a sudden he's World Champ. Just kinda stunk of "If you delay your rest we'll put the strap on you".

Again, I guess Rey would be stupid to say no in that situation but it just kinda sat wrong with me.

In fairness to the guy he has had some superb matches over the last couple of years (with Jericho, Punk, Rhodes, I even enjoyed the match with Cena on Raw).

Innovator 09-30-2011 12:00 PM

Rey is fucking awesome.

Mr. Nerfect 09-30-2011 06:27 PM

Rey Mysterio was going to be a World Heavyweight Champion regardless of if Eddie passed away or not. They were in the process of building him (using Eddie Guerrero) since about WrestleMania 21. Now, he may not have won the 2006 Royal Rumble; but I guarantee you that Mysterio would have "won the big one." Anyone who doesn't think so is "fucking delusional."

Also, Rey is a tremendous worker who moves tons and tons of merchandise and gets people invested into his matches. He is possibly one of the best choices for a World Champion in the entire company -- even as he is moving into a stage of his career where he is not as healthy and reliable (as far as being on the road goes) as he once was. Mysterio should be making some new stars along the way; but Rey's World Heavyweight Title win last year and WWE Title win this year were all sound business decisions to pad the resume of Mysterio in case they need him to step-up to the main event.

Personally, his character leaves a lot for me love. I'm not a big fan of characters so simple. Also, Mysterio would be a good example for the "babyfaces that are actually huge dicks in kayfabe" award. But all those are minor, personal gripes that do not get in the way of an objective view on the man's career. If you were starting up a wrestling promotion, you'd want Rey Mysterio on-board. He'd make you a shit-ton of cash.

St. Jimmy 09-30-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 3642674)
Rey Mysterio was going to be a World Heavyweight Champion regardless of if Eddie passed away or not. They were in the process of building him (using Eddie Guerrero) since about WrestleMania 21. Now, he may not have won the 2006 Royal Rumble; but I guarantee you that Mysterio would have "won the big one." Anyone who doesn't think so is "fucking delusional."

Also, Rey is a tremendous worker who moves tons and tons of merchandise and gets people invested into his matches. He is possibly one of the best choices for a World Champion in the entire company -- even as he is moving into a stage of his career where he is not as healthy and reliable (as far as being on the road goes) as he once was. Mysterio should be making some new stars along the way; but Rey's World Heavyweight Title win last year and WWE Title win this year were all sound business decisions to pad the resume of Mysterio in case they need him to step-up to the main event.

Personally, his character leaves a lot for me love. I'm not a big fan of characters so simple. Also, Mysterio would be a good example for the "babyfaces that are actually huge dicks in kayfabe" award. But all those are minor, personal gripes that do not get in the way of an objective view on the man's career. If you were starting up a wrestling promotion, you'd want Rey Mysterio on-board. He'd make you a shit-ton of cash.

There is no information to support this, but there is information to detract from it. Eddie was going to win the WHC. This is known.

St. Jimmy 09-30-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 3642134)
So with this statement, I'm assuming you're ignoring all the great matches he's had with guys of all sizes in WWE, yes?

He has never had a "Great" match with someone over 6'9. He can barely maneuver with really stocky guys as well. If Rey Mysterio was in a lucha company or the indies I would say he's amazing, but he's not. He's not a WWE-Sized guy and he shouldn't pretend. It makes the title look bad to have it on him from a wrestling standpoint, but as business it makes complete sense. Kids will buy his shit. That's all that matters to WWE.

weather vane 09-30-2011 07:35 PM

I wish he wore his old style attire...

parkmania 09-30-2011 08:02 PM

Why do I hate Ray Mastrio?

He's a mini Super Cena, only not as believeable because the writers overplay the underdog role with him WAY too much, both in WCW and WWE.

At least Cena looks like he MIGHT stand a chance against Big Show in a real fight.

Vastardikai 09-30-2011 08:06 PM

Three words come to mind as far as the Misterio hate:

Same. Old. Shit.

Juan 09-30-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 3642740)
He has never had a "Great" match with someone over 6'9.

Incorrect


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