Here's a dollar, buy a clue..

Chuck Liddel, Tito Ortiz, RAMPAGE Jackson, Bas Rutten, BJ Penn, Showgun Rua, Sakoraba, Cro Cop, Fedor, and trhe list goes on and on and on..

It's funny, you can easily tell that all the anti-MMA guys in here don't really even watch MMA or they wouldn't say 90% of the shit that has been said..

Hate on, haters..

Tito Ortiz's last 5 fights drew more than Mike Tyson's. And the last each - Ortiz did around 1.3 million buys and Tyson did about 35,000.

The bigger boxing shows have always out drawn pro wrestling. Wrestling has never been considered a fight sport.

Just the fact he said "the bland guys that you have fighting" is ridiculous..

The fact you can't tell fighters apart without them having ridiculous gimmicks and costums, sounds like a personal intelligence problem, not marketing problem..

Oh and to say fighters don't have attitudes is crazy..

Have you seen Rampage Jackson??

The man needs his own sitcom.

I'd watch it, tivo it, download it on the comp, and buy the DVD boxset..

LET'S ALL RIDE DANA WHITE'S DICK! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

MMA isn't just Zuffa's UFC... As of the past few months, that's pretty much the only good MMA, but just because we like a sport doesn't mean we love the owner/president...

I love baseball I hate Bud Selig

I love basketball and I hate Daniel Stern (fucking Robert Horry hip check eliminated my Phoneix Suns... asshole.)

I love the WWE I'm not too fond of Vince McMahon

I love the FOX Network but I think Rupert Murdoch is a cunt.

I love the UFC but I thinl the juvanile way Dana White talks is counter productive for the growth of MMA in America. Or at least it'll keep more traditional viewers from watching.

People can dislike MMA and UFC all you like for whatever reason, that's their right. As for fighters being bland... that isn't entirly inaccurate but their is a few "characters" in MMA, but you kinda have to look them up and pay attention, they don't jump out at you. However, if you were to pay attention to a guy like Quinton JAckson, he is probably the most charismatic athlete to come down the pike since Shaq.

Though I do admit without really doing research on a lot of fighters most of them do seem to run together. However, you'll never find a more intersting duo as Nick and Nate Diaz and their unflappable explitive laced arrogance, that is quite funny.

Whatever man Dana White is the shit.

We must be reading different threads..

Joke. Learn to take one.

Joke.. Make them funny then they'll be more obvious..

HAHA rampage is great but Shionie Carter is sooo much better. He once said: "Im the biggest trash talker in MMA, Move over Quenton you found religion." haha and he basically walks out in a pimp suit.

I dislike MMA

Rampage is a fucking legend. Easily the most charismatic fighter, in any discipline, on the planet at this moment.

Just Youtube his name and you'll see.

I'm a fan of both MMA and boxing but i find it incredibly frustrating the way in which the majority of boxing promoters i.e Warren etc and fighters continually talk shite about it.

Frank Warren, in particular, continually uses his column in the NOTW to take cheap, uneducated potshots at 'Ultimate Fight Club'. To my mind it only shows how worried he must be about the expansion of the UFC into Europe.

You must spread some rep around before giving it to Kris P Lettus again.

I didn't care for UFC at all 6 months ago, just thought all the matches were generic and boring, man was I wrong.

Bravo are showing all the best fights they've had, I watch Forrest Griffen and the other guy from the Ultimate fighter in the finale

Holy Shit that was a good fight.

I think the main reason I like UFC/MMA is that there's different ways you can approach a fight/opponant and the different ways in which you can win

The more he talks about it, the worse he looks. And I know for a fact (because I was present on one occasion) that Dana White offered Frank Warren boxer vs. MMA fighter matches with huge money on the line. Warren can't back his shit up. Bottom line to Frank Warren - when have his PPV's even drawn over 100,000 buys nevermind broke the 1 million barrier? Discussion over Frankie. Now go get shot again or something.

Shonie Carter is a pretty funny guy, perhaps on par with how entertaining Rampage is. The big diffrence is Shonie Carter can't beat Marcus Davis in the Welterweight Division, where as Quinton Jackson is currently the Champion of the Light Heavyweight Divison, hence making Rampage much more marketable.

Well that almost sounds like you are taking something away from the Irish Hand Grenade. That dudes on like a 6 fight win streak in the ufc, and has really been improving his ground game to add to his already impressive hands.

My comment doesnt have anything to do with fighter marketability, I just wanted to defend Marcus :p

When 2 guys in MMA have beef and there is an actual "feud" or whatnot, it can be much more understated because it's a real fight. In WWE someone can say "I don't like that motherfucker I wanna eat his children" and you don't care cuz like you've seen guys get thrown off bridges and necrophilia, whereas in MMA when there is beef ie. a scuffle at the weigh-ins, the fight has so much more meaning.

Plus, you can just have 2 randoms kick the piss out of one another and it's entertaining. You just need to pay attention to the little nuiances, ie. how good someone is off their back, how crisp their striking is, how good their wrestling is. There's so much strategy and thinking behind it. WTF is the strategy in pro-wrestling? "let's go out and entertain the fans", well fuckit, that's great, but it's not a competition, it's not a sport. UFC and MMA in general is a sport.

And yeah there are some stinkers, just like there are shitty hockey games, crappy boxing fights, awful football games. Welcome to sport.

My response to this thread could be made into a fucking thesis paper but I will shorten it up for our easy reading viewers.

No, MMA is not the "New wrestling" because it cant be compared to wrestling. Sure, wrestlers go out and put their bodies on the line to entertain, but it isnt a fucking sport, get over it. Its a god damn soap opera with 300 lb men. Its fake, and whereas some of the spots they do couldnt be fake, and some men do take risks, the majority of the shit that would hurt, is fake. We all know this, but this isnt what seperates the two into completely different catagories.

You go to yahoo! sports and you dont find a fucking WWE webpage, and why is that? Because it isnt a sport. Same could be said for most other "sport" websites like espn, and others. MMA is the new contact sport that is replacing Boxing for the most part. However, wrestling has never been considered a sport by other people outside of wrestling fans. It will never be a sport, because its fake.

The contact in MMA is real, and always will be as long as the people who are in control now, stay in control. I disagree with a lot of the matches guys like Joe Silva puts together, but I know deep down inside that as long as guys like Joe Silva and Dana White are trying to make matches, they will not be fixed.

I have this confidence because these same guys left Boxing for that particular reason. It is all a work, and because so much money got into that sport, it skewed it like money tends to do most things. Would you take a dive for 5 million dollars? Fuck yea you would, because I know I would too. However, the people in charge of UFC dont want to see guys take dives, they want to see good fights (minus the squashes that some big name fighters get because UFC brass wants to make them out to be there golden boys like Bisping in Europe and Rivera and Sanchez in Mexico). However I can understand why they do it, thats how you build a brand. You take fan favorites and make them more favorable by giving them a few easy fights, then slamming them with a tough fight.

To return to the topic at hand, I dont ever want to see a "Gimmick" fighter in the UFC. Why? Because it isnt about gimmicks, its about fights. Shonie Carter may come down the octagon in a pimp suit, but he just tries to hype his fight. Once he gets to the octagon, he takes off the suit and becomes the fighter he is. Save the trash can, and hardcore matches for the WWE, along with its gimmicky characters, because thats how that product grows.

The promotions arent the same, and the only thing that is comparable is the viewing audience. UFC has the 18-?? audience right now because its the more exciting thing on the market, but its the only thing that is comparable in product between the WWE and the UFC. One is replacing the other because they arent even in the same classification of sports genre.

If you say that MMA has "bland" characters, then you havent seen very much MMA. You probably tuned in to one lame ppv and made your opinion off of that, but like CBN said, its a sport, and every sport has its dull moments. It cant be a flash fry all the time, but it definetly procures excitement more then 50% of the time, which is really all I ask for.

The reason you dont care for the fighters is because you have already formulated and stuck with whatever opinion you have concocted in your head, and I dont think any good MMA fight would change that anyways. However, MMA is anything but bland to the MMA fan.

The sports are different, and in-turn the fighters will be different. Thats doesnt mean the fighters in MMA arent marketable to other people besides yourself because uhh, check the buyouts and gate records being set across the world because MMA is "it", and has "it", whatever "it" is.

Most MMA fighters are "bland" to wrestling fans because wrestling fans want to care more about the wrestler then the match. You all want to care about the drama that lead up to everything, the storyline. MMA isnt about storyline, its about fights. They use drama or beef between fighters to build the FIGHT, not the fighter, and WWE does the opposite. They do want you to care about its fighters, and thats why everyone has their particular favorite, but for me, its always been about the fights. Sure I have my fighters that I like to see fight more then others, but when it comes down to it, I want to see the technical aspect of it all, and not the drama that surrounded it.

MMA has found its Alienoid.

Is it because its challenging for you to read, twat? Them Texas school systems are awesome.

I disagreed with so many things you said here.

In short though, MMA can very much be compared to wrestling and MMA definately needs some gimmicks because that's what separates you from others. When you see Ortiz, Liddell and Rampage, you know it's 3 different fighters. If they were wrestlers in WWE, they'd all wear the same gear, have the same haircuts, talk the same scripted promos and never get over like they could.

UFC is booking shows better than WWE has done in years and WWE has the huge advantage of being worked.

No, its long-winded and unnecessary.

What could you possably disagree with?

How do you want gimmics to be played out in UFC? Have one guy say hes a make porn star while another guy dresses up in all green with antlers on his head? The only gimmicks you need in MMA are the shit talkers that cant back it up, the ones that can, the humble champions, the quite types that get it done, the cry babies and the jobbers. NOTE all those have to do with the fight. NOT a storyline. Because MMA is about fights not stories. Thats why there isnt scripted promos, because no one fucking cares! Fans want to see a fight. If its good they cheer if its bad they boo... FUCKING SIMPLE.

UFC is booking better than WWE because they have good talent putting out a good product. Not only that, but anyone can do MMA. Anyone can go into a gym and train for fighting. They then watch the fighters on tv and can relate to them because they know exactly whats going on and that gives them that more of a connection with it. You cant just randomly/casually train for WWE. Not only that, but not everyone can do it. Especially now that everyone is watching guys that are bigger than anyman theyve seen in real life. They cant picture themselves slamming the big show, but they can see themselves in a guard or applying an armbar to an opponent.

It'd be cool if the if there were more styles in UFC. I wanna see some guy come in doing Capoeira and Jeet Kune Do instead of BJJ and Muay Thai.

yea but the BJJ guy would win 9 times out of ten and no one wants to lose so they all train BJJ

So basically you want to watch real life Tekken

AWESOME!!!!

THAT WOULD RULE!!!

Eddie Gordo Vs Ortiz would be immense!

lol

Yeah but like Reavant said, BJJ wins almost 100% of the time. That's why everybody trains in that.

and muey thai or kick boxing are the most rounded striking forms there are as well

That's right.

I enjoy MMA, but I think that's my biggest problem with it. I really would like to see some other styles involved, but in general they just don't match up.

Yeah I know what you're saying but I don't htink it's possible.

Don't confuse gimmick with cartoon character. Quinton Jackson whole persona is a gimmick. Tank Abbott couldn't win a fight against an 11 year old boy these days but he is over? Gimmick! Fighter A beating everyone in sight
, calling out a champion and building two men to fight each other out of pure "hate" is a storyline. Wrestling used it for 100 years before Vince McMahon Jnr bought out his daddy's company.

The rest of what you said was nonsense pal. Especially the "anyone can do MMA" thing. Most adults haven't even been in a fight since primary school.

Well if your going to say something like that then back it up.

Since you cant allow me to retort...

See it doesnt matter how long its been since an adult has been in a fight. They can walk into a gym almost anywhere these days and get into jujistu classes, judo, kick boxing, muey thai, etc... 80% of those people will never decide to step it up to actually compete in a fight, but they always can. Where do you think half of the guys in UFC or anywhere in MMA started? I dont know if you know this but there are much smaller promotions out there that arent even televised that take place in gyms or wherever they can put an octogon/ring to put on a show. People there SUCK BALLS, but theyre still out there doing it. They have less than 0% chance of ever being in the UFC but they are still doing MMA arent they.

Now Im going to say this again so you cant get confused... Im not saying anyone can get into the UFC... im saying anyone can participate in the sport of MMA. With it being so popular, and it being a fun/hard workout many people are getting involved. Thus giving them more understanding of it and then giving them a much greater connection to the sport.

If your still not following me let me try and help you further... Someone who has played football before can watch the game and know whats going on. They can see how a play is developing and what players are doing what AND be able to relate to it because they have experience in it.

Oh and I know a lot of guys that are training now that fit the type of never have been in a fight or affraid of confrontation, and when they are in the room doing BJJ or whatever, they gain a confidence beyond your belief because not only are they learning something cool, theyre also boosting their confidence.

This is something Pro-wrestling fans wont ever and will never have with the product they watch.