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Old 07-01-2007, 09:43 AM   #1
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So is MMA/UFC/Pride/blahblahblah the "new wrestling"
Like remember back when WWE ("WWF" sorry) was all popular and the latest fad, everyone was into it and shit. Like not even us internet nerds, it was like accepted in the mainstream. Now it's kind of dwindling, and all the fringe watchers who kind of got into it because of Stone Cold, The Rock etc, they're all going apeshit over mixed martial arts now. I don't get it. Like every person ever is like "OMG UFC THIS WEEKEND ;SDHGSDKHGS *ASPLODE*" And I dunno it seems like basically the exact same thing except it's "more real" and such. Like I know wrestling is fake and all, but guys do still take a bit of a beating in the ring, and it's like people don't take it seriously at all (retarded WWE storylines aside, obvs) because "UFC IS SO MUCH COOLER RAR GO LIGHTWEIGHT MATCH".


I'm not sure what point I'm even trying to make, if any. I just find it hilarious how UFC and shit has basically replaced wrestling as the preferred "watching two guys beat the shit out of each other" pasttime. It's even hilarious too because looking at like this forum, people are all talking about the politics and stuff of it too, kinda like how everyone talks about wrestling and such. It's probably only a matter of time before that stuff becomes scripted too. I don't know. I'm slightly hungover and seeing the pics in the photo album forum of some guy going to an MMA show and having a "tag team MMA match" seemed entirely too gimmicky and made me think about this.

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Old 07-01-2007, 12:03 PM   #2
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well everyone can do mma too. It doesnt matter who you are. WWE/F was like watching a soap opera on steroids. When the story lines started to fade so did the fans. Another thing is that when people punch eachother in UFC its real. The wrestlers in WWE dont get puffy faces or black eyes (normally) because theyre not really getting hit (i understand accidents happen and some assholes wrestle stiff). Also like I said UFC translates to real life. WWE translates in absolutly no way, because you cant really slam a guy without severely hurting him and no one is going to stand there and cooperate while you try to vertically suplex them.

In certain promotions there might be fixed fights. I know Pride often told people they would get paid more if they lost a certain way. The greatest thing about Dana White in UFC is that as long as hes at the helm, there will never be a scripted fight in the UFC.
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In MMA, guys with talent get pushes and make money. In wrestling they don't.

In MMA, the promoters don't insult their fanbase. In wrestling, they do.

In MMA, the shows are worth paying money for. In wrestling, they aren't.

UFC books feuds that end in a real fight better than WWE or TNA does for 100% worked matches.

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In MMA, guys with talent get pushes and make money. In wrestling they don't.
That's exactly what I mean. The whole thing with "pushes", it's like exactly how wrestling is.


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In MMA, the promoters don't insult their fanbase. In wrestling, they do.
lol what, opinion


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In MMA, the shows are worth paying money for. In wrestling, they aren't.
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UFC books feuds that end in a real fight better than WWE or TNA does for 100% worked matches.
If it's all "real" why do you need to "book" anything, is basically what I'm driving at.


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What's the point in having a forum at all? Do you have to be an arrogant little faggot just because MMA is a "passion" of yours?
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well everyone can do mma too. It doesnt matter who you are. WWE/F was like watching a soap opera on steroids. When the story lines started to fade so did the fans. Another thing is that when people punch eachother in UFC its real. The wrestlers in WWE dont get puffy faces or black eyes (normally) because theyre not really getting hit (i understand accidents happen and some assholes wrestle stiff). Also like I said UFC translates to real life. WWE translates in absolutly no way, because you cant really slam a guy without severely hurting him and no one is going to stand there and cooperate while you try to vertically suplex them.
Yeah I understand what you mean totally, and yes UFC et all are definitely more real in that regard. But it's silly to think that a wrestler doesn't take any physical punishment throughout the course of a match. It's just funny (to me) how the whole "MMA scene" is basically like a "realer" version of pro wrestling. It's real fighting and such but they still deal with "feuds" and "pushes" and all that other nonsense.


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Haha wow, didn't think any of them actually did fix anyhting, though at this rate I'm not overlyyyy surprised.
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That's exactly what I mean. The whole thing with "pushes", it's like exactly how wrestling is.
 They dont really push guys, they just take guys that are on rolls or fan favorites and put them in big matches.




lol what, opinion
He means that the owners dont assume the fans are stupid or that they dont go on the mic and insult them.



If it's all "real" why do you need to "book" anything, is basically what I'm driving at.

They like to add drama to the sport so if they find two fighters that have animosity towards eachother, they will book that fight and hype it up. Its way different from wrestling in that if WWE hyped up a match they would make it a long drawn out match with ups and downs, but when UFC hyped up the tito/shamrock match, it was a squash every time.
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In MMA, guys with talent get pushes and make money. In wrestling they don't.

In MMA, the promoters don't insult their fanbase. In wrestling, they do.

In MMA, the shows are worth paying money for. In wrestling, they aren't.

UFC books feuds that end in a real fight better than WWE or TNA does for 100% worked matches.

RDD - what's the point on commenting on things you just admitted you don't understand?
Agreed 120%

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Okay that's basically exactly what I was saying. It like took over the place of wrestling for that niche in entertainment.
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The original UFC was better than this bullshit they have now.
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I know UFC is real fighting and all of that, but the thing that got me into wrestling when I was into it were the unique characters that were wrestling. It was flashy, yes, but it was also cool to see a porn star wrestle a gold dragqueen or a garbage man. I think the lack of that is what is actually killing wrestling today.

The problem with UFC isn't the style of fighting or any of that, but the bland guys that you have fighting. Even in other real fighting venues like boxing you would have guys like Mike Tyson who had attitude and could tell apart/root for. UFC just has a bunch of generic assholes who beat the crap out of each other. I don't care who wins, because I don't care about the individual fighters at all. This may or may not change in the future, but I would rather root for some dude who got bit by a dog and foams at the mouth when he fights rather than some suburban white guy with a boring name like "Cody Swanson" whose only rise to fame was that he trained in Guam for ten years. Come on.
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The original UFC was better than this bullshit they have now.
Exactly, who wouldn't want to see two out of shape fighter in diffrent disaplines fight bare knuckles in front of a capacity high school gym crowd, only to see a guy half their size choke all these bigger guys in slow methodical matches that don't go anywhere.

That's much better then two finely tuned athletes at the top of their games well rounded in boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling, jiu-jitsu ect. fighting exciting hotly contested wars in front of jam packed arena's for fighting supremecy...
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Exactly, who wouldn't want to see two out of shape fighter in diffrent disaplines fight bare knuckles in front of a capacity high school gym crowd, only to see a guy half their size choke all these bigger guys in slow methodical matches that don't go anywhere.

That's much better then two finely tuned athletes at the top of their games well rounded in boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling, jiu-jitsu ect. fighting exciting hotly contested wars in front of jam packed arena's for fighting supremecy...
Do you mean 2 guys walking in circles until somebody finally throws a punch or kick?
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Do you mean 2 guys walking in circles until somebody finally throws a punch or kick?
If you're honest that's like 10% of matches where guys lay and prey.
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Well for me the reason I don't watch wrestling anymore is because of the shitty storylines/characters/wrestlers and it lost it's unpredictibility years ago.
But back when it was in a hot streak in 98/99 out of all my friends I was the only one that watched. Now with UFC blowing up ALL my friends watch. Unlike wrestling I don't think mma is a phase ,I think it's here to stay, it will get as big as boxing..unless somehow like RDD brought up, they start to script fights.

And this new era of mma is alot better than what it was when it started, what are you fuckin kidding me.
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They won't script MMA, its is the truest sport aside from the Olympics. MMA is not a game, it is a contest.
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What's the point in having a forum at all? Do you have to be an arrogant little faggot just because MMA is a "passion" of yours?
How is it arrogant? It's like me having an opinion on Japanese poetry or Gambian politics. I don't know dick about either so my thoughts don't count for shit.

If you were asking questions, this would be a different thread. But you said you didn't even know what point you were making. Take your rants elsewhere. Oh and the minute someone challenges your words, you name call? What are you fucking 12 years old?

As for "booking feuds", do some research and find out about the biggest fights in history in boxing, MMA and pro wrestling and there were "feuds" in all of them. Feuds build fights. Has done for over 100 years.
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How are mis matched freak show fights better? I'm curious to hear why.
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How are mis matched freak show fights better? I'm curious to hear why.
They entertained me more. I respect the fact that it is much more "athletic" and "professional" but the fact is that I was more entertained and actually got into the fights more. The whole idea of a tournament of survival and the "no rules" enviroment was surreal to me and I got into it. I haven't gotten into anything that the Zuffa era of UFC has put out. My personal favorite MMA promotion right now is IFL, but I really don't watch it unless something else is on.

Edit: Just for the record, I only saw these after they were released on VHS. I loved renting these vids when they were available at Blockbuster.
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While I agree that the current UFC format is better, I wouldn't mind seeing a 16-man tournie happen in one night again.
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Also, I know they quit doing the tournaments around UFC 17 or so, but the no rules thing was really appealing because it wasn't just street fights but it had that "wtf might we see" appeal.
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There was nothing appealing about it. That's why nobody watched it and why organised fights make money and nobody pays to see pub fights.

Also, now UFC is licensed in most states including Nevada, tournaments will NEVER be allowed.
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There was nothing appealing about it. That's why nobody watched it and why organised fights make money and nobody pays to see pub fights.

Also, now UFC is licensed in most states including Nevada, tournaments will NEVER be allowed.
I hate to pull a Kane Knight, but you are presenting opinion. Anyway, when I said "appealing" I meant appealing to me (since you asked me why I liked "old school UFC". Also, they were a hell of a lot more than just a barfight.
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UFC is so much better now, sure you may tune in and see a stinker but that is bound to happen when you have two highly talented individuals who are so good they can barley make a mistake.

The ratio of stinkers to good/great fights is far less since Zuffa bought UFC.
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I hate to pull a Kane Knight, but you are presenting opinion. Anyway, when I said "appealing" I meant appealing to me (since you asked me why I liked "old school UFC". Also, they were a hell of a lot more than just a barfight.
You are right on one thing, it was opinion. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find anyone who agrees with you though that was a fan during both eras.

And aside from using weapons, how is it a hell of a lot more than a bar fight?
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You are right on one thing, it was opinion. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find anyone who agrees with you though that was a fan during both eras.

And aside from using weapons, how is it a hell of a lot more than a bar fight?
You implied that none of the fighters from that era had any talent other than swinging for the fences which we both no is incorrect. They used a lot of fighting techniques. You don't see too many armbars and high kicks in street fights. Then again, I don't know wtf y'all do across the pond.
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They constantly pitched good fighters (by todays terms) against street fighters, which sometimes (more often not) was entertaining. Also, once BJJ got in the mix, none of the street fighters stood a chance, which disappointed a lot of people who wanted to see bar fights.

Now people want to see athletic contests, not necessarily someone get beat in. I may be wrong speaking for most but I do not want to see someone get their arm broken or their eye socket caved in. No longer is it a blood lust, but a true Martial Arts competition, and its sooooo fucking Sparta.
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Ok thats a little self contradictory, this is the new Coliseum, but at the same time still an athletic competition.
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You implied that none of the fighters from that era had any talent other than swinging for the fences which we both no is incorrect. They used a lot of fighting techniques. You don't see too many armbars and high kicks in street fights. Then again, I don't know wtf y'all do across the pond.
Not many guys had talent. The wrestlers and Royce Gracie all dominated. Everyone else sucked a dick. Quality of fights? I'd put any fight on this weeks UFC 73 card up against any before Zuffa. After that boring Shamrock vs. Severn fight, it shouldn't even be debated.

As for bar fights, I need to send you some shit. British pub fights are on a whole other level to the States.
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There was nothing appealing about it. That's why nobody watched it and why organised fights make money and nobody pays to see pub fights.
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people didnt watch it because it was new and not in pop culture. The reason it wasnt in pop culture was because the big wigs and freaked out parents thought the sport was too barbarick to even be around. Once they came in and started to set ground rules to appease the people in charge then it started to build steam and become what it is now. It was appealing as hell back in the day who are you kidding? It had a cult following. Thats what kept it going. If it wasnt appealing back then it wouldnt be here now.
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The problem with UFC isn't the style of fighting or any of that, but the bland guys that you have fighting. Even in other real fighting venues like boxing you would have guys like Mike Tyson who had attitude and could tell apart/root for. UFC just has a bunch of generic assholes who beat the crap out of each other. I don't care who wins, because I don't care about the individual fighters at all.
Have you ever heard of Tito Ortiz, or maybe even Quinten Jackson??? How about Ken Shamrock? How can you even say that statement and not have your brain eat itself?
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Yea I would watch it back in the day too..and I liked it. But alot of those fights were long and boring as well..just like some are now no escaping those fights. Those tournaments were hell of cool too, but I've jus come to realize that things change for better or worse and in this case you can't argue that it is for the better.
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The same could be said about Wrestling in t he 90s.

The WWE/WCW/ECW really took over from Boxing. Boxing died off as wrestling took over as the "fight sport", and now its being passed to MMA.
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A little wuss that looks like Chris Candido who thinks he's so cute because he wears little t-shirts on his way to a fight. That t-shirt thing is actually a cool idea, but I do not feel this guy at all.

Ken Shamrock is cool, but only because I get some sort of nostalgia from when he was in the WWF. "Rampage" wears Christian shit during his fights. I'm sorry, but until he rips someone's nose off during a fight he doesn't have nothing.

I'm sorry, but I can't get into most of these MMA fighters. I can't put my finger on it, but they're just "not my kind of people", at least to watch for my fighting entertainment. You need some more wife beaters going out there, guys like wear sunglasses to the ring and don't care if they get kicked into their eyeballs, guys who bulldoze their opponent's home down the night before a fight. It would be better too, since it would be "real" drama/homicides and not that scripted shit that you get in pro wrestling.
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