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Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 1947895)

They should put a NFL team in LA before Toronto.

Why not 2?

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Originally Posted by Stickman (Post 1947749)

BUt why would Canadians want to abadon a 95 year old league?

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 1947755)

You are the one who started saying that it would fail if the NFL came to Canada..

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Originally Posted by Stickman (Post 1947831)

It will.

Then you tell us "why would Canadians want to abadon a 95 year old league?"..

CFl is a gate driven league, NFL is not. CFL claws and scratches for sponsorship dollars, NFL teams make money without needing 1 butt in a seat. The CFL salary cap is 4 Million dollars. If the NFL goes to Toronto, the money makers in Ontario will want a piece of the pie and forget about the Argos or Ticats. Nobody wants to abandon the CFL but it can't really succeed as a Western Canada league. Toronto and Hamilton would more than likely fold. Ottawa has folded twice and that's without NFL in Ontario. Montreal was dormant for years, Hamilton was/is on the verge of folding, BC was in rough shape. The league is pretty stable right now but not if the NFL comes to town. The countries are a lot different, and so are the leagues, I think that's what you're not understanding.

You are wrong about NFL making money without needing people going to games..

I also don't get how sponsorship could ruin something that is fan driven.. As you said it is..

???

I'm not explaining economics anymore.

Oh and yes, NFL teams make money before the first game is played.

Yeah, but you made it out like a team could strive with out selling a single ticket..

Obvisouly not, but they make profit without selling a single ticket.

Stickman is right.... the money would be in the nfl team. Yea they need to put fans in the seats, but lets not forget people travel to see theyre favorite teams play. A team in Canada like that would be cheaper because they are trying to get people in seats. Not to mention it would bring huge amounts of money into the town that the team is in because of travelers who have come to see the opposing team beat the canada team. Soon all those people that are making money from the nfl team would stick to that nfl team and you would see the local cfl team either move or go under which would have a domino effect on the other cfl teams because they would lose competition and soon lose money and then go under as well.

maybe it would be good for the canadian cities to have the nfl economically, but it would be bad for the cfl and probably piss off a lot of patriotic canadians

BTW, I don't think Toronto would be able to get 60,000+ out to every game.

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Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 1947895)

They should put a NFL team in LA before Toronto.

heck yes, or give us a team over here in NZ, may be a nightmare travelling to games, but hey, its the NFL, alot of money to throw around

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Originally Posted by Stickman (Post 1945470)

It would kill the CFL. Toronto and Hamilton would fold, Montreal's closest rival would be Winnepeg. The CFL cannot survive as a Western Canada league.

An NFL team in Toronto would be bogus, it would not be Canada's team. The country would not rally behind it. In Vancouver a lot of NFL fans are Seahawks fans. We have the best of both leagues locally, why would an NFL team in Toronto be good for Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonto, Regina, Winnepeg, Montreal?

People in Canada are NFL fans, yes, but there's more CFL love than NFL and the ratings prove it. The Colts/Pats game drew 250k viewers in Canada. The two CFL conference final games both drew over 1.3M viewers in a country of 30M. The CFL games constantly out rate NFL games in this country. THe Grey Cup finals constantly outdraw the Stanley Cup finals in this country. Hard to believe I know but ratings don't lie (that much).

How is an NFL team in Toronto good for Canada?

I wouldn't say constantly Edmonton vs Carolina Game 7 in 2006 outdrew the Grey Cup of the same year.

That being said you can't really compare a single game rating to a series anyway.

Yeah I really don't think the NFL has any plans to move a team into Canada though, well maybe Toronto but I don't even know about that. I think the NFL is more looking towards playing games WAY outside of the United States market in order to get more fans. I mean, I am just guessing there is already plenty of NFL fans in Canada since it is so close. I think they are going to continue playing a game or two over seas every season.

If anything a team might move to LA, right now I can't see the NFL adding any more teams because it seems to completely perfect right now (the lay out of the conferences, the amount of talent in the league etc.)