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Old 11-25-2007, 04:57 PM   #1
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Exclamation NFL Expansion Question.. (Gonzo is gay LOL)
So, this is all the happenings I can remember in my lifetime..

-Browns became the Ravens
-Oilers moved from Houston to Memphis, then to Nashville, changing their name to the Titans
-Panthers became an NFC expantion while the Jags did for the AFC

My questions are

-How did the Texans come about which no NFC expation to even out the divisions??
-How did the Browns come back into existance??


Am I fucking something up here, cause I can't remember/figure out how the NFC and AFC stayed even in all that.. Did the divisional changes have something to do with it??

Help..







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Old 11-25-2007, 06:06 PM   #2
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Buffalo to become Toronto
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Old 11-25-2007, 06:40 PM   #3
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So, this is all the happenings I can remember in my lifetime..

-Browns became the Ravens
-Oilers moved from Houston to Memphis, then to Nashville, changing their name to the Titans
-Panthers became an NFC expantion while the Jags did for the AFC

My questions are

-How did the Texans come about which no NFC expation to even out the divisions??
-How did the Browns come back into existance??


Am I fucking something up here, cause I can't remember/figure out how the NFC and AFC stayed even in all that.. Did the divisional changes have something to do with it??

Help..

Well I believe at one point each division had 5 teams (the old ones) except the AFC Central had 6 teams. Then when the Texans joined the AFC, Seattle entered the NFC and there were 4 teams to the new divisions.
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:47 PM   #4
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public class Browns extends Ravens

//create new teams
Team titans = new Team
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:13 PM   #5
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Well I believe at one point each division had 5 teams (the old ones) except the AFC Central had 6 teams. Then when the Texans joined the AFC, Seattle entered the NFC and there were 4 teams to the new divisions.
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing now..

How did the extra team in the AFC work out though??
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The old schedule was very unbalanced.
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Yeah, that's what I'm seeing now..

How did the extra team in the AFC work out though??
When Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, there was a big legal battle because the people of Cleveland had voted for construction of a new stadium but Modell decided to move the team anyway. The NFL decided to give Cleveland 3 years to build the stadium and then they'd get a new team which ended up being the Browns part II. So then the NFL had 31 teams and Tagliabue wanted an even number of teams so that's how Houston got their franchise.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:22 PM   #9
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When Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, there was a big legal battle because the people of Cleveland had voted for construction of a new stadium but Modell decided to move the team anyway. The NFL decided to give Cleveland 3 years to build the stadium and then they'd get a new team which ended up being the Browns part II. So then the NFL had 31 teams and Tagliabue wanted an even number of teams so that's how Houston got their franchise.
I grow up a football fan, but during highschool wasn't near as into it as I have been the past 8 years..

This has been fucking with me awhile..

Thanks for the info..
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:28 PM   #10
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Also, its expansion, not expantion.

Sorry that was bothering me.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:30 PM   #11
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Yeah I noticed that too, but was too lazy to edit..
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:31 PM   #12
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Fixed the title for you...
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:56 PM   #13
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Yeah, that's what I'm seeing now..

How did the extra team in the AFC work out though??
It's tough to explain thoroughly.

Basically though, when there were 31 teams in the league, either one or three teams had a bye every week of the season. Unlike now where byes begin in week 3 and stop in week 10. This was done because obviously, only 30 teams could play every week.

As far as the scheduled games for each team, it was a mess. Now, every team plays each team in their division twice, every team from one division in the other conference, every team from one division in their own conference, and one team from the other two divisions in their own conference. Pretty simple.

Back then, since one division had 6 teams and all others had 5, it was the same basic setup but as far as who played who in the AFC Central it was a mess. Everyone still played each other twice in that division but as far as games outside the division, I could probably explain it but it would take a long time.
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It would be the worst thing to happen to Canadian sports if it did.
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I don't see them going to Toronto full time, but the owner is trying to get permission to play 2-4 games a year in Toronto.

His reasoning is it's a short drive and he's hoping to get revenue from there (not ticket sales, but merchanside and more importantly advertising and luxury boxes) there was even talk of an idea if a Toronto company bought a luxury box the Bills would pay for a limo or flight to Buffalo for the home games.

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It would be the worst thing to happen to Canadian sports if it did.
How so?
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:55 AM   #19
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Don't listen to him.. That's just Stickman trying to act "hard" and coming off like an asshole..

SAME OLE SAME OLE
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How so?

It would kill the CFL. Toronto and Hamilton would fold, Montreal's closest rival would be Winnepeg. The CFL cannot survive as a Western Canada league.

An NFL team in Toronto would be bogus, it would not be Canada's team. The country would not rally behind it. In Vancouver a lot of NFL fans are Seahawks fans. We have the best of both leagues locally, why would an NFL team in Toronto be good for Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonto, Regina, Winnepeg, Montreal?

People in Canada are NFL fans, yes, but there's more CFL love than NFL and the ratings prove it. The Colts/Pats game drew 250k viewers in Canada. The two CFL conference final games both drew over 1.3M viewers in a country of 30M. The CFL games constantly out rate NFL games in this country. THe Grey Cup finals constantly outdraw the Stanley Cup finals in this country. Hard to believe I know but ratings don't lie (that much).

How is an NFL team in Toronto good for Canada?
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Don't listen to him.. That's just Stickman trying to act "hard" and coming off like an asshole..

SAME OLE SAME OLE

It's getting old man. We have differing views obviously, but in no way do I act "hard" or anything. If you want to see somebody act "hard" look in a mirror. That was you who constantly brings up getting shot and meeting famous people isn't it?
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O_o

Yeah, like maybe 100 posts outta my 20000 have been about that.. It seems every one of your posts you are trying to go against the grain and come across like a hardass..
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Also, how does meeting celebs make someone "hard"??
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How does my opinion make me hard?
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It's how you come across stating your opinions that makes it look that way..
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:37 PM   #27
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It would kill the CFL. Toronto and Hamilton would fold, Montreal's closest rival would be Winnepeg. The CFL cannot survive as a Western Canada league.

An NFL team in Toronto would be bogus, it would not be Canada's team. The country would not rally behind it. In Vancouver a lot of NFL fans are Seahawks fans. We have the best of both leagues locally, why would an NFL team in Toronto be good for Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonto, Regina, Winnepeg, Montreal?

People in Canada are NFL fans, yes, but there's more CFL love than NFL and the ratings prove it. The Colts/Pats game drew 250k viewers in Canada. The two CFL conference final games both drew over 1.3M viewers in a country of 30M. The CFL games constantly out rate NFL games in this country. THe Grey Cup finals constantly outdraw the Stanley Cup finals in this country. Hard to believe I know but ratings don't lie (that much).

How is an NFL team in Toronto good for Canada?
So, if no one would rally behined it, and much more people watch the grey cup etc... etc... then clearly an NFL franchise in Canada would fail, how would it cause the CFL to fold?
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I don't think it would fold if there was only 2-4 games but an actual team would cause Toronto and Hamilton to lose their CFL teams. I think he means the CFL would fold because I believe (im not 100% sure) that Toronto and Hamilton are the two biggest revenue sources in the CFL or they're the top 3 forsure. Plus if they do fold there basically isn't any interest in Eastern Canada to watch a Western based CFL league.
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Personally id love to see an NFL team in Toronto although I doubt it'll happen.
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I don't think it would fold if there was only 2-4 games but an actual team would cause Toronto and Hamilton to lose their CFL teams. I think he means the CFL would fold because I believe (im not 100% sure) that Toronto and Hamilton are the two biggest revenue sources in the CFL or they're the top 3 forsure. Plus if they do fold there basically isn't any interest in Eastern Canada to watch a Western based CFL league.
Pretty much yeah. I don't think Hamilton is a huge revenue source as I know they were bleedin money. Toronto may be.
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I think Hamilton and Sask. both are the only teams to sell out every game for 2 years in a row? Im pretty sure I heard that on the radio.
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Pretty much yeah. I don't think Hamilton is a huge revenue source as I know they were bleedin money. Toronto may be.
my point is if you say no one really cares about the NFL and the CFL is so popular, wouldn't an NFL franchise fail rather then take-out the CFL franchises?
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my point is if you say no one really cares about the NFL and the CFL is so popular, wouldn't an NFL franchise fail rather then take-out the CFL franchises?
No, because all the big corporate dollars in Ontario would go to the NFL team.
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That's what you think
Look. We gave you damn Canadians a chance with MLB in Montréal, and guess how that turned out? So, no pigskin for you. Keep your CFL or whatever it is.
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Look. We gave you damn Canadians a chance with MLB in Montréal, and guess how that turned out? So, no pigskin for you. Keep your CFL or whatever it is.


You know there's still a baseball team in Canada right? And a basketball team?
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If the CFL started to fail, I could see the NFL 'consuming' it basically and turning it into a feeder league seeing as how NFL Europe folded.

NFL wants to go international, and I think Canada will be the first and probably get two teams.
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BUt why would Canadians want to abadon a 95 year old league?
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You are the one who started saying that it would fail if the NFL came to Canada..
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They should put a NFL team in LA before Toronto.
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