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Mercury Bullet 05-04-2009 12:50 AM

It pains me to say it, but its definitely Cena.

Mr. Nerfect 05-04-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mooияakeя™ (Post 2530247)
SERIOUSLY, never mind nsfw, this isn't safe at all.

Veterans only:

We were talking about Chyna, not Sean Waltman. :rant:

DarKCentaur 05-04-2009 07:11 PM

I bet Aurora winds up in jail at the age of 16. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

Mr. Nerfect 05-05-2009 02:11 AM

Do you think Macho Man will bang her?

V 05-05-2009 05:35 AM

kinda sad that its been 9 years and only 3 - 5 names are coming up

i mean how many names would come up if you asked about 1990 - 1999 :(

Mr. Nerfect 05-05-2009 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gohan3k (Post 2531865)
kinda sad that its been 9 years and only 3 - 5 names are coming up

i mean how many names would come up if you asked about 1990 - 1999 :(

Actually, thinking about it, who was the most important wrestler to debut between 1990 and 2000? A lot of those guys are still writing their legacies. You'd think The Rock would take the cake, but you also have guys like Goldberg, who did business for a while, and sort of created the "big, rushed push" a lot of guys get that set the pace for molds like Brock Lesnar and John Cena later on. There are also guys still writing their legacies, like Kurt Angle, Edge and Chris Jericho.

But then you go back to the 80's and get names like Stone Cold Steve Austin making it easier again. Then the 70's again get interesting. Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and Bret Hart all debuted in the 70's.

It's quite interesting to look at those names listed with their debuts, and then really think about when they peaked as major performers. It wasn't until the following decade in most of their cases. Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton or whomever really got a quick path to the World Title.

Outsider 05-05-2009 11:03 AM

I don't think we can saw who the most important is yet. There are a few young guys starting to come through now who could have a far bigger impact on the industry in the future who aren't being used to 100% of their potential yet.

Don't get me wrong, there is a very serious chance that the WWE could drop the ball with them, as it so often does, but with people like CM Punk, MVP and John Morrison all being far closer to that total package of talent and charmisma than Cena and Orton, you have to think that their future could be far brighter.

If used right, and if they started the main event at around the same time the industry moves into an upswing (which it will..........eventually), they could potentially be massive stars.

-EDIT-

And actually, I would say people like Soama Joe, AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels have already had a massive impact on the industry already this decade.

A few years ago there was only one international company. Now there is two and with ROH showing an intent to one day get there.

This is in no small part due to their wrestlers who have never been of any importanance in the WWE. But by building the foundations of the industry beneath the WWE, they have made it possible for, at least in the future, the WWE to have to enter a period of competition before. And that will be far more important than one individual superstar ever can be.

Mr. Nerfect 05-05-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Outsider (Post 2532057)
I don't think we can saw who the most important is yet. There are a few young guys starting to come through now who could have a far bigger impact on the industry in the future who aren't being used to 100% of their potential yet.

Don't get me wrong, there is a very serious chance that the WWE could drop the ball with them, as it so often does, but with people like CM Punk, MVP and John Morrison all being far closer to that total package of talent and charmisma than Cena and Orton, you have to think that their future could be far brighter.

If used right, and if they started the main event at around the same time the industry moves into an upswing (which it will..........eventually), they could potentially be massive stars.

-EDIT-

And actually, I would say people like Soama Joe, AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels have already had a massive impact on the industry already this decade.

A few years ago there was only one international company. Now there is two and with ROH showing an intent to one day get there.

This is in no small part due to their wrestlers who have never been of any importanance in the WWE. But by building the foundations of the industry beneath the WWE, they have made it possible for, at least in the future, the WWE to have to enter a period of competition before. And that will be far more important than one individual superstar ever can be.

Nice post. Someone like Samoa Joe gains weight in the argument when you really look at what he's done for both TNA and ROH. Sure, Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles were both part of ROH, too, but I don't think too many people would argue with you if you said that Samoa Joe's dominant run in ROH was the defining moment in ROH becoming a rising entity.

Plus, you're very right. For example, if this deal with Pepsi is inked, and they do decide to use CM Punk as the Pepsi Boy, then it that will be a level of mainstream recognition that John Cena may not have even reached. If you give some of these guys a few years, they might actually rise to the surface the same way that many important guys did in the past.

DAMN iNATOR 05-06-2009 04:35 PM

From WWE's (shitty) perspective, Cena since they pretty much percieve him as the new Rock, to which I say bullshit. This is also why he draws so much heat, is because he buys that hype that Vince & co. feed him about being the next "Great One", and so they let him win 99% of all his matches to make the 12 and under, and middle aged moms happy that they can have someone to cheer for.:nono:

Mr. Nerfect 05-07-2009 05:23 PM

I have to admit, The Miz's promo on Cena made me mark out. If The Miz gets a smark gimmick, then he will be my new favourite character.

Lock Jaw 05-07-2009 05:31 PM

The answer is Kenzo Suzuki.

Mr. Nerfect 05-07-2009 05:46 PM

Because he loved America!

NeanderCarl 05-07-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2532841)
Someone like Samoa Joe gains weight in the argument

Unfortunate wording, there.

Lock Jaw 05-07-2009 07:08 PM

Someone like Samoe Joe gains weight brushing his teeth.

KYR 05-07-2009 07:14 PM

How has no one mentioned Mr. America yet?

I mean, this guy was gonna be the new Hogan.

Xero 05-07-2009 07:15 PM

You're not supposed to brush your teeth with bacon.

Mr. Nerfect 05-09-2009 02:49 AM

I've got to admit, TNA is making me lose desire in seeing Samoa Joe even used correctly. If I were Joe, when my TNA contract were up, I'd bail to either ROH or the WWE. Fucking hell, go to Japan if you need to.

It's so sad, Umaga started off as almost WWE's cartoon answer to Samoa Joe, and now Joe actually seems like an Umaga rip-off. Joe also doesn't have the performing skills to play a psychotic bad-ass. He's just a bad-ass who loves killing bitches in the ring. There's a natural confidence about him that just doesn't shine through a brooding character.

Way to fuck up Joe, TNA.

St. Jimmy 05-09-2009 03:25 AM

AJ Styles sucks cock. Loads and loads of sweaty cock.

Mr. Nerfect 05-09-2009 04:18 AM

I'd put him a little ahead of Evan Bourne, really. He's someone that TNA could legit get behind and use as a face for their company. I mean, I'd make sure he shared with with someone, but he's probably the closest thing TNA has to Rey Mysterio, (as much as people make fun of him) and that is more to TNA's style.

Personally, I think the company should be heavily based around Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Matt Morgan and Kurt Angle.

Destor 05-09-2009 04:59 AM

I had this massive thing written and the fucked up and deleted it. My thoughts are lost for ever. :(

RP 05-09-2009 05:00 AM

Mike Stima

Mr. Nerfect 05-15-2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2536661)
I had this massive thing written and the fucked up and deleted it. My thoughts are lost for ever. :(

Who was your answer?


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