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Old 05-02-2009, 12:53 AM   #1
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Most important wrestler to debut post-2000?
"Important" to the business.

Can be WWE only or otherwise.

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Old 05-02-2009, 12:56 AM   #2
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Thats a really great question and will require a lot of thought.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:04 AM   #3
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I hate to say it, and you'll hate to hear it, but I gotta be honest. The most important wrestler to debut so far this millenium is that fart knocker John Cena. His fugly mug is the new face of pro wrestling.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:30 AM   #4
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John Cena &t Brock Lesnar

Oddly enough, Brock Lesnar's run as a WWE superstar will end up helping UFC and MMA rise to even higher levels.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:35 AM   #5
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I'll have to put more thought into this, but while thinking about this, I had a thought.

IF, and it's a huge if, Vince McMahon put faith in him, and did it right (which won't happen), it could be CM Punk.

This isn't me being a Punk mark. It's because he's straight edge, and vocal about it. If they pushed him, and did it right, and let him be a good spokesperson, he could help get rid of the image that wrestling is a huge steroid infested business (even if it is.) The guy is a damn good positive role model, and if Vince did it right and used him to show that you don't need to be a huge roid infested guy to make it in wrestling, then maybe it'd help the business in general.

Probably not though. It's pretty much just wishful thinking on my part though.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:36 AM   #6
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Cena. Orton is second by quite a few car lengths.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:37 AM   #7
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He's a former WEDF... WWE Champion: John Cena. Or if you wanna be technical you could say the Christian Shawn Michaels debuted in 2002, I'd say he's been slightly big, no homo.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:38 AM   #8
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Orton will be Roddy Piper to Cena's Hogan.
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Orton will be Ted DiBiase to Cena's Hogan.
Fixed. Leave Rodney the Piper out of this.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:54 AM   #11
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Randy Orton is not really important. I'd have to answer with either John Cena or, truthfully, Brock Lesnar. The guy was meant to be the star that carried the WWE into a new era based on actual wrestling. Not even Triple H in full political mode could de-road the guy. Lesnar debuted, and within a year he was headlining WrestleMania.

Then, when he left, a vacuum appeared which the WWE decided to plug with John Cena. The WWE deciding that Lesnar was going to be "the guy" for the company led to them taking "a guy," and that's a pretty defining moment. Lesnar has also made the successful leap to MMA and UFC, which is making him more of a key figure within the sporting world, I am sure.

Lesnar's departure also left the WWE unsure about pushing younger talent so quick. This was also supported by Bobby Lashley leaving the company. The few Attitude era main event stars still with the company now have ammunition when they say "I don't want to job to this guy." Men who could be main eventing today, like MVP and CM Punk, find themselves often trivially jobbed out, to test their "loyalty" to the business.

Lesnar left his mark.
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Old 05-02-2009, 02:45 AM   #12
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I like it Noid...I LIKE IT!
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Old 05-02-2009, 02:49 AM   #13
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Gotta say it, John Cena.
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Old 05-02-2009, 10:35 AM   #14
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Lesnar...cause I'm from Minnesota dammit!


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Old 05-02-2009, 10:42 AM   #15
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I'd go with Lesnar, he is plain better to watch.
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Old 05-02-2009, 12:03 PM   #16
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While Santina has changed women's wrestling forever, I''d say Cena wins this one.
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Old 05-02-2009, 12:03 PM   #17
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John Cena, just because all he has done with making money and bringing in new young fans to watch WWE
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:29 PM   #18
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The business of wrestling? as in when everyone says "I love this business", or business as in Vince's pockets?
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Old 05-02-2009, 06:11 PM   #19
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:16 PM   #20
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The business of wrestling? as in when everyone says "I love this business", or business as in Vince's pockets?
Define "business" is what this comes down to.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:57 PM   #21
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Randy Orton is not really important. I'd have to answer with either John Cena or, truthfully, Brock Lesnar. The guy was meant to be the star that carried the WWE into a new era based on actual wrestling. Not even Triple H in full political mode could de-road the guy. Lesnar debuted, and within a year he was headlining WrestleMania.

Then, when he left, a vacuum appeared which the WWE decided to plug with John Cena. The WWE deciding that Lesnar was going to be "the guy" for the company led to them taking "a guy," and that's a pretty defining moment. Lesnar has also made the successful leap to MMA and UFC, which is making him more of a key figure within the sporting world, I am sure.

Lesnar's departure also left the WWE unsure about pushing younger talent so quick. This was also supported by Bobby Lashley leaving the company. The few Attitude era main event stars still with the company now have ammunition when they say "I don't want to job to this guy." Men who could be main eventing today, like MVP and CM Punk, find themselves often trivially jobbed out, to test their "loyalty" to the business.

Lesnar left his mark.
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:19 PM   #22
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Two that come to my mind are Cena and Lesnar.

Cena because he appeals to the current target demographic. Lesnar because he left such a gaping hole, and seemingly changed the mindset of WWE, when he bounced.
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:07 PM   #24
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I thought someone might mention Batista, who I thought of before Lesnar and Lashley.
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Old 05-03-2009, 03:31 PM   #25
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Define "business" is what this comes down to.
Vince's pockets - John Cena (even his movies break even, right?)
Wrestling world - Lesnar. I think Noid pretty much has it hammered down.
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:37 PM   #26
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I'm not real sure how anyone's answer could be anything other than John Cena.

Saying Lesnar is like saying Goldberg was the most important debut of the 90's...his tenure was short, made a big splash, but ultimately left the company worse for ware. John Cena is very much the reason WWE still turns profits. One way or another, Vince had his company on the market, and he was going to push kid/family friendly programming. He saw Cena, a good looking guy who could become the second coming of Hogan, and pushed him accordingly. WWE was on the way down before Cena even debuted, John has done a great job of being WWE's poster boy, and carrying the weight of the company on his back.

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Randy Orton is not really important. I'd have to answer with either John Cena or, truthfully, Brock Lesnar. The guy was meant to be the star that carried the WWE into a new era based on actual wrestling. Not even Triple H in full political mode could de-road the guy. Lesnar debuted, and within a year he was headlining WrestleMania.

Then, when he left, a vacuum appeared which the WWE decided to plug with John Cena. The WWE deciding that Lesnar was going to be "the guy" for the company led to them taking "a guy," and that's a pretty defining moment. Lesnar has also made the successful leap to MMA and UFC, which is making him more of a key figure within the sporting world, I am sure.

Lesnar's departure also left the WWE unsure about pushing younger talent so quick. This was also supported by Bobby Lashley leaving the company. The few Attitude era main event stars still with the company now have ammunition when they say "I don't want to job to this guy." Men who could be main eventing today, like MVP and CM Punk, find themselves often trivially jobbed out, to test their "loyalty" to the business.

Lesnar left his mark.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:58 PM   #29
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Randy Orton is not really important. I'd have to answer with either John Cena or, truthfully, Brock Lesnar. The guy was meant to be the star that carried the WWE into a new era based on actual wrestling. Not even Triple H in full political mode could de-road the guy. Lesnar debuted, and within a year he was headlining WrestleMania.

Then, when he left, a vacuum appeared which the WWE decided to plug with John Cena. The WWE deciding that Lesnar was going to be "the guy" for the company led to them taking "a guy," and that's a pretty defining moment. Lesnar has also made the successful leap to MMA and UFC, which is making him more of a key figure within the sporting world, I am sure.

Lesnar's departure also left the WWE unsure about pushing younger talent so quick. This was also supported by Bobby Lashley leaving the company. The few Attitude era main event stars still with the company now have ammunition when they say "I don't want to job to this guy." Men who could be main eventing today, like MVP and CM Punk, find themselves often trivially jobbed out, to test their "loyalty" to the business.

Lesnar left his mark.
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