That was the Man City player, and he no-showed a full year or so before Ferdinand, under a different FA administration.

Ferdinand was unlucky in that Palios made an example of him. I felt it was unfair on Ferdinand in that regard, that he may have been punished more because of who he was.

Lance raced in Sydney 2000, but I guess that doesn't count because he passed the drug tests, whereas it is just pure speculation, and he had legitimate reason to skip it. You can have your opinion though.

I've heard they are like that after football matches. You hear a lot of stories from footballers who want to celebrate with the rest of the team but can't because they have to give a sample and they don't need a piss.

The general move is to have a standard drugs policy across all sports.

Yeah, his legit reason was he would have failed the GH tests now.

I would think that drugs are being banned in most sports due to body harm more than performance enhancement. Yeah something like long distance cycling a drug could make a lot of difference, but if you're good at soccer you're good at soccer. So it would be hard to determine an overall standard for all sports.

Robbie Keane after his last minute equaliser against Germany at WC 2002. Had to give a piss sample, but he was dehydrated.

Any drug that helps build muscle or endurance should be banned and most are.

Any illegal substances found on athletes should be treated in the same way. And they are.

If it doesn't hurt your body, why shouldn't a soccer player be allowed to take it? If everybody is allowed to take it, its not a problem.

Considering strength, endurance and speed are a huge part of soccer, performance enhancing drugs can make a huge difference.

Especially at the Olympics. In my view it's celebrating what "man" can do at sports through hard work and determination not what some twat in a lab can conjure up.

Sports should be about skill and natural ability - not about who has the best pharmacist.

Exactly.

What about shit like Whey Protien? Do you think that should be illegal?

Why would it be? Are you trying to be stupid in the vain hope of making some kind of point?

I'm convinced most these Athletes are all on some shit. I mean every fk'n event there seems to be a record broken. That swimmer Phelps. He's on something, I just know it. I wish there was some kind of machine that everybody has to step through right before the event, and I mean like 10 seconds before and it will go off if you have any kind of drug in your system.

I said pretty much the same thing

The whole damn thing is a popularity contest, fuck you all :rant:

If you try to take away any performance inhancing substance, you are just fighting a battle you can't win because people are forever going to be able to find shit thats better than the last and that is less and less detectable. I too would rather see who is the best naturally, but the only simple way to deal with it is to allow everybody to use the same things, because obviously any athlete takes things to restore their muscles, or else they wouldn't be able to do what they do.

Better training methods, better equipment etc.

You've got to remember that these Olympics are held four years apart, that's quite a long time in terms of progress that can be made.

Cheaters always get found out, the Olympic games is famous for it.

Do you even know what Whey Protien is or does? Apparantly not, because it enhances muscle production and recovery with no negative side effects. So yes, its giving an advantage to the guys who take it, do you think it should be illegal for enhancing performance?

Swimming, Shooting, Horse Back Riding, Fencing and then Running all in the same day.

Phelps has an incredible body for swimming, which going along with natural talent makes him good. Swimmers break world records all the time, with his body I wouldn't think he would need to dope to break records.

That's bullshit. That's giving in to drug cheats. It shouldn't happen. People wouldn't get to use the same things, only the athletes who train in countries with effective scientific R and D who can keep them ahead of the competition. Then it becomes a race to see who has the best pharmacologist, not the best athletes.

There is a difference between performance enhancers and food supplements, also. Protein is not a drug. A drug is something which artificially alters your physiology, either acting to by-pass biochemical control or to suppress normal physiological processes.

Everything that enhances anything should be banned. Just go with what you got, that's all. I played competitive sports for 17 years and never once did I take any kind of kind of supplement. I didn't even drink any of those protein shakes, that so many people love to drink over here.

One of the main things, females wouldn't resemble females. Beach volleyball would be totally shit to watch, leading to lower ratings.

We all remember those Russian girls now don't we.

It's protein, you dickhead, not a fucking drug. It's something people consume every day, only in a concentrated form.

They said the same about Ben Johnson.

For fuck's sake Hero, you're like a broken record.

*Olympic pun*

*God Save the Queen plays as Mackem gets the Gold*

It's protein, you dickhead, not a fucking drug. It's something people consume every day, only in a concentrated form.

So if I decide I don't want to abuse my body with drugs, if my own fault if I can't win gold medals?

Stupid statement dude.

How come they never found Carl Lewis out?

Because he's American.

Man talks sense.

Being incredibly buff and ripped is quite different from height and wingspan, but nice try.

Thats not what I said, I said that if it doesn't hurt your body in anyway then it is just extra work to keep it illegal. I never said anything about keeping harmful drugs legal.

Johnson had the right physique for sprinting and enhanced it with drugs.

Whoo! NZ won their first medal today, go us. :|

What? Reread what you wrote man. The only thing you said you would get out were muscle relaxants.

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That post was a followup to something earlier, what I was saying was that if you try to get rid of all drugs, harmful or not, you are fighting a losing battle, because there are always new innovative ways to get around the tests. I think that if you focus on the harmful drugs and be more lax on the drugs that don't harm you, it would be a much more effective battle. I probably wrote something poorly up there, but that is what I mean. If it doesn't hurt the body, let it be.

What could be harmful for one person, might not be for another. And they don't even know all the effects of steroids and HGH yet so how so you call those?

Ban the lot. If it ain't natural then it's wrong.

It was a fix, they only put Sheep shearing in the Olympics so that you guys wouldn't cry about not winning any medals.

If there was an easy way to do it then I would be all up for it, but it doesn't look like there is a strong line in where to draw this line. I say that just because there is a lot of supplemental shit out there that inhances performance too, and I don't think all of that shit should be banned.

Spend money finding better drug testing methods. Simple as.

It was rowing :mad:

NZ won another medal in the cycling.

Paula Radcliffe. What a fucking waste of space she is. She always fucking bottles it. All the hype and all the bullshit but when it matters she always fucks it up.

Whoever it is who isn't Steve Cram and is commentating can fuck off. Northern cock.

LOL yeah sounds pretty ignorant to me. Then again I guess that isn't rare for everyone to go against us? http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/meh.gif

Seriously, can a guy not be good at what he does anymore? Not stabbing at you, but all I ever hear is this guy is on the stuff. Or that guy is on some drugs. I mean when you look at guys that are huge (such as those 6 or so weightlifters who were busted) it's not hard to recognize drugs are involved...but Michael Phelps?! http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/meh.gif

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting the cheaters out (whether they be American, British, Australian, or what have you), but until they fail the test,
I'm not going to accuse them of it.

Thank you Outlaw, I too am sick of people *cough* moonax accusing people of shit with no proof

QWhat do the following names have in common?

Tim Montgomery, Kelli White, Tori Edwards, C.J.Hunter, Lance Armstrong, Carl Lewis, Christie Gaines, Dennis Mitchell, Calvin Harrison, Regina Jacobs.

That's right. They've all failed drugs tests.

Plenty of evidence to accuse people with.

Then they should be out of whatever sport they are involved with. To be fair (whether it sounds like I'm ignorant or not) I'm not familiar with 1 or 2 of those names.


But I do remember reading about a lot of those people. C.J. Hunter had the clear with her AT the Sydney games. Her husband at the time also reportedly said he injected her at times and sometimes she injected herself. This all took place during the games.


Mickey Grimes is another US track star to test positive. Jerome Young. Dwain Chambers. John McEwen. Ben Johnson. The list goes on.


Greek track stars Kostas Kederis (defending 200m gold medalist) and Katerina Thanou (defending 100m silver medalists) were mysteriously AWOL for their drug test, which they had done in 2003 and something which is tantamount to admitting guilt as you can be suspended for missing your drug test. Later, they claimed to have turned their cell phones off, and to be in a minor motorcycle accident, which prevented them from showing up at their hearing for missing the test.

LOL right.

(edit - I seriously had no idea Armstrong tested positive. Could I bother you for a link by chance, Moon?)

ahahahahahahahahhaahaha

Some Irish long distance runner just absolutely lost the rag in an interview with a studio analyst. The analyst was a former sprinter, and the competitor called him a whore.

http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/track_fi...v=ap&type=lgns

Hey look, another one. This is why I can't take anything seriously anymore with these Olympics. Every time I go to yahoo the past two weeks or whatever, there's always something about athletes failing drug tests or something related to that.

Armstrong tested positive for steriods in 1999. He claimed that it was in a cream given to him for piles.

The weightlifting has been a total joke. There have been like 5 positive tests.

Look at the 100m just now. Even Michael Johnson, the best sprinter you ever had didn't want the Americans to win because they are up their own arses.

As for the comment being ignorant:

1 - I already admitted it was

2 - Tell someone who cares i.e. some American because the rest of the world doesn't.

Well obviously he showed the people the perscription, was cleared, and nobody else cared besides Moonax. Its not rare for there to be a steroid in a perscription drug, a friend of mine who is on full ride to Missouri has been on steroids for most of the summer, whereas some people like Moonax would hold that against him for the rest of his life, the reasonable people of this world understand that there was steroids in the medicine he was perscribed for poison ivy. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing, since you're the only one who seems to notice.

You forget that Jonathon Vaughters was not allowed to take the same 'medicine' because it would have caused a positive test.

Okay hows this in comparison. There was a British skiier who had his medal taken from him because he failed a drug test. That drug test was failed because Vicks Nasal tubes, which are over the counter normal medicines, are produced with different chemicals in the U.S than they are in the rest of the world. Is that fair?

Athletes on prescriptions are required to inform their respective bodies before competiting. If you don't, you fail. Same rules for everyone.

Probably Brendan Frazer if you were watching Distance running.

Thought Moonie was a bit harsh on Paula myself. Distance running in 38 degree heat has to be tough. She wasn't the only girl to pull out either.

Fraser also sounds like he has a mouth full of marbles when he talks

I think that radcliffe bottles it. She always does this. Fair enough she is still an amzing runner, but I am not sure she can handle pressure.

I don't think her husband helps. He's a fucking psycho

Still, she's a great athlete, things just never seem to go right for her for one reason or another.

How does she always bottle it? She is the fastest long distance runner out there and he has won practically every street marathon there is.

As for the pressure, the whole country was on her back saying she was our only gold medal hope period. Dunno if many people could take that. As for the race, you can take she never bottled it. She definately made every attempt to win. She was a fair bit behind at one point and clawed it back well enough to the point where winning wasn't out of the question. She obviously just didn't have enough energy. To stop 4 miles from the finish is hardly a bottle job.

But this is it. She can win races when there isn't pressure on her, but when there is she seems to go to pot.

I think she is just not as good as we think she is.

Well the majority of the British public think she is the best in the world. I think her record proves it. One night doesn't make or break you in this sport in my opinion. But that's my opinion.

Yeah but she sets records and wins races all the time, when it comes to the Olympics she's just got bad luck I guess. Sydney she finished fourth in whatever race she was in. 2002 was her best year I thought, if it was an Olympic year, who knows?

I'm just thinking of her performances in previous Olympics and also the World Championships (there was that race where she messed up the tactics and her husband wigged out).

Don't get me wrong - I'm not disputing her talent to run fast. I'm just not sure about her ability to 'win the big one'.

It hasn't exactly been her best year and a bit as well with illness and injury

There is a difference between anti-inflammatory steroids and anabolic steroids.

Athletes are given a list of prescription drugs that they should not use, and can only use with dispensation. I don't think it is an accepted excuse in the Olympics. One failed athlete has already tried it thus far, and had their appeal thrown out.

I seem to recall a race when the commentators were going on about her tactics not paying off for her, she either went off too fast or too slow or something and ended up getting out "kicked". Might have been 1999.

It depends what you see as success and failure. For somebody who is labelled as arguably the best British athlete she hasn't done to well on the Olympic stage but I dare say her trophy cabinet takes a while to be fully polished and I'm guessing her London and Chicago records are still in tact. Her time is running out I guess on the Olympic stage, she'll be what, 34 by the time of the next Olympics?

To be fair, ever since she moved to marathons, he was killing everyone. Apparently, they are saying she might try the 10,000m now. I don't know what to make of that.

She was 4th in the 10 000 metres in Sydney, she was also the European and Comonwealth champion in 2002 at 10 000 metres.

I have admitted in the past that most Americans are up their own backsides. This is nothing new to me Harvey, but thanks for pointing it out. They/we are ALMOST as bad as you being up Lewis' "arse". http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

I am also glad you don't care that you are ignorant.

SO she is the Olympic version of the Red Sox? http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

Didn't I just say tell someone who cares?

I agree that it should be the same for everybody, but the point is that Moonax keeps bringing this up like he was caught cheating, when in reality he was caught doing something that just about any sick person does. He is basically taking things out of context and people here are believing everything he says.

He was caught taking steriods. You choose to believe his excuse. i don't. Afterall, every rider has saddle sores and yet Armstrong is the only person who uses a cream that gives a positive test for steriods.

I point it out because it demonstrates that Armstrongs claim that 'he has never failed a test' is a lie.

Yeah, we've got more gold medals than canada now :o

They should put in sheep shagging.

Or both. The modern "diathlon" if you will, to find the ultimate Welsh/Kiwi athlete.

If you don't care, then why respond? :kiss:

What a run by Kelly Holmes in the 800 metres, she was at the back after the first 200 metres.

GET IN THEIR KELLY GIRL!!! :D :D :D

Dean Macey is having a hell of a day too.

Could you have sounded any gayer?

Only if he'd called himself something really gay. A name like 'Dazz' for example.

Hey leave Dazz alone, he looks like Prince William.

Really chuffed for Kelly Holmes, she deserves that gold so much!

I hear that you are a dead ringer for Princess Anne.

Catalina Ponor still owns you all.

Most successful gymnast at the games. 3 gold medals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3...r_getty200.jpg

Thats what happened to me in our state track meet, I lead off the 4x800 and ran the first 200 in the time I was supposed to, but everyone else was going fast so I was in 8 of 9 at 200, but then ended up third or fourth handing the baton off. Its all about running the race right.

4X800? Are you serious?

You don't see it at the highest level but I have heard of it being ran. I done it at school a few times.

Its in high school and college in the US. The whole concept of relays is kind of ruined once you lose true "teams" aka colleges. IMO 4x400 in high school/college is the best race out there, just because once you get to world class theres not as much chance of a big upset or anything, they are all so good and consistant.

I have heard of 4x800 and 4x1500 but I didn't think anyone actually ran them any more. Kinda like 300m races or high hurdle relays.

I ran 4 X 2 and 4 X 1 in H.S.

What a night

Hicham El Guerrouj winning the Olympic 1500m Gold was just an amazing moment, his flat out sprinting, his emotions after winning...his dance. Quality.

The women's pole vault final was absolutely fantastic and ended in a new World record forr Isinbayeva. I see quite a lot of the pole vault during the year and to see the constant changes in the leader board and then to set 4.91m as a World Record on the big stage was amazing. Best shot of the night was indeed the one when she went over the bar with the torch in the background. I love to see the vaulters emotions on their way back down, bloody amazing.

A bit of controversy in the Women's 100m hurdles which has ended in a protest from the Russians (useless Canadians)

Macey's rehabilitation continues and gets 4th in the decathlon and Holmes looks strong in the womens 1500m.

Just saw highlights of the Iraq/Paraguay match, Iraq were robbed :mad:

P.S, Michael Johnson is as good as ever, I love him.

I love the Olympics.

I hate Hicham El Guerrouj. Probably because he is Morrocan.

Dean Macey is still the man though. If he stays fit, he is gonna win the lot over the next 4 years.

I see that boxer dude Khan is guaranteed a medal, is he really a big talent? I haven't seen any boxing yet, will he make it professionally and I'm not talking Audley Harrison professionally.

The 300 meter intermediate hurdles is the standard "long" hurdle event in United States high schools, thats probably the last place they do it though. We also have high hurdle relays, but they are only in what are called "relay meets," where the whole meet is just every relay you can think of, 4x110 hurdles, Sprint Medleys, Distance Medleys, 4x3200, 4xpole vault, etc etc. I think the team aspect makes track and field a lot more unique.

Well he stopped his opponent in the first round. I wouldn't get carried away though.

He's looking good but he says that his main objective is Bejing in 4 years time and is only here to get the experience.

If he wins gold, I say he is going pro. His style makes for a good pro too.

Just watched Hamish Carter and Bevan Docherty come 1st and 2nd for NZ in the Triathlon.
Great Effort Guys, NZ is gonna go nuts over this!