Olympic Thread

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 08:57 PM

So who's looking forward to it?

Thoughts, opinions and discussions.

I'm looking forward to it because I enjoy seeing different sports. I hate the jingoism of the media. You'd think listening to the British and American media (and I am sure that is the same in Australia) that these were the only countries competing.

The Olympics are totally corrupt. Rife with drug taking cheats and prima-donna's but there are also some good things about it. I like the fact that sports like Archery get a bit of attention.

So anyway, what do people think about the Olympics, what events are people looking forward to?

**BCWWF** · 08-11-2004, 09:00 PM

I am really looking forward to the Olympics, because frankly a lot of the events just aren't the same when they are outside the Olympics, like track and swimming for example. I also love the concept of international competition, it would be better IMO if the United States wasn't such a force, but in sports like basketball I think that in 2008 and 2012 international competition will become a lot better. I know the US has a chance of not winning this year, but even if they don't it doesn't really mean anything. Anyway, I am looking forward to it because I like the concept of all the different events and different nations etc. I bought Athens 2004 for PS2, its key.

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 09:05 PM

Well there is more to the Olympics than sports the US is good in.

The US media focuses in on sports where there are US hopes which gives you a skewed impression.

For example you won't get coverage of the women's marathon if there is no hope for a US medal. But you will get coverage of beach vollyball if there is. It's the same in the UK, some guy who is a fencer who never gets any coverage at all for 4 years because he looks like he's doing well there will suddenly be huge media interest.

Really you ought to watch different media. see if you can get Canadian coverage or something for a different perspective.

**BCWWF** · 08-11-2004, 09:41 PM

Thats true but its also true that a lot of the events there aren't very exciting, so some of those Scandanavian guys will clean out the 50k race walk, but I don't really want to see that. But yes, there will be things that would be real interesting/cool to see that will probably not be shown, but NBC has an ungodly amound of coverage this year, so you never know.

What I meant was that it would be really cool if a lot of countries were right around like 70 medals instead of three countries (US, Russia, Chinia) just out of reach. Regardless though, I am reading into some sports I never cared about before a lot lately, like swimming for example, I'm pretty excited for those events. Overall I'm pretty excited.

**Ogen** · 08-11-2004, 10:05 PM

Never really been interested in Olympic events. Only events I've ever bothered to activly watch were Sonia O Sullivans races in her prime. I'll probably have it on in the background and check out a few things but all in all I'm pretty indifferent to it all.

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 10:06 PM

But the reason why you don't find them exciting is because the media doesn't hype them up as exciting. If they were involving US sportsmen I'm sure you'd find them exciting.

You wouldn't watch the Tour if Armstrong was constantly being sucked off by ESPN.

The coverage of the swimming is a joke. Its as if they've never heard of ian Thorpe.

**YOUR Hero** · 08-11-2004, 10:12 PM

Canada gives pretty good coverage of the entire games. Sure they are Canuck heavy in content, but they do a fair job of covering as much as possible.

Soccer has already started BTW.

I'm into anything really. Track&Field, swimming especially....Then I forget about them until next Olympics.

**AareDub** · 08-11-2004, 10:13 PM

The only thing I'm interested in during these Olympics is Cael Sanderson. I can't wait to see how well he competes against the other countries this year. He is one of the best amateur wrestlers ever, I've been waiting to see him in the Olympics since he finished his 4 years undefeated in the NCAA a few years ago.

Sadly, wrestling barely gets any coverage

**Loose Cannon** · 08-11-2004, 10:14 PM

jeez, didn't even know they started. I'm off.

**Moonax** · 08-11-2004, 10:27 PM

My wife's cousin won a bronze medal at Barcelona

anyone else know any medal winners?

**Ogen** · 08-11-2004, 11:00 PM

Actually the Olympics last time that guy can't remeber where he was from Ghana or Gambia or something who could barely swim the length of the pool. He'd only learned how to swim in the months prior that was quality. Hes not taking part this year as hes lost his passport or something mad like that.

**BCWWF** · 08-11-2004, 11:13 PM

Damnit I just changed pages and when I clicked back my page of writing was gone

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But the reason why you don't find them exciting is because the media doesn't hype them up as exciting. If they were involving US sportsmen I'm sure you'd find them exciting.

I'm not excited about every event that an American is in, and I am very excited about a lot of events that Americans didn't even qualify for. There are Americans competing in table tennis, but I'm not going to pay much attention to that, the men are not competing in soccer, but I am going to pay attention to that. I'm not just some dummy who is being pushed around by NBC, actually.

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You wouldn't watch the Tour if Armstrong was constantly being sucked off by ESPN.

You obviously must not watch much ESPN, because the Tour de France got maybe 30 seconds a day on SportsCenter. The coverage was on OLN, a channel that I ordered specially, and a channel that shows the same coverage the rest of North America and UK see. I became a fan of cycling when I started reading about it and became intrigued by the strategy and precision of it, not because Stewart Scott gave a ten word update every night on SportsCenter. Stima is an example of a guy who follows Armstrong on ESPN, I am an example of a guy who follows the Tour de France through OLN, internet news sources, and various magazines. Theres a difference.

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The coverage of the swimming is a joke. Its as if they've never heard of ian Thorpe.

I know Thorpe, I know that he could easilly beat Phelps in at least one event. I know that Phelps isn't predicted to win seven and that the relays are hardly a lock. If I just watched ESPN and read Sports Illustrated, then I would think that he was a lock to win eight and that there are no other good swimmers out there, much less American. But I am well read, so I don't think that. Don't get me confused with all the guys crying when he only wins four golds.

It's easy to stereotype Americans as being ignorant on international sport, and for the most part it really is true. That doesn't mean that all Americans are completely ignorant. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I'm not the marionette with ESPN pulling my strings that you think I am. That said its not like the United States is the only country with biased coverage. You, for example, hate Lance Armstrong based on, well, speculation. Either that or else its because he is successful, confident, and American.

Its not a sin for a country to cover its own athletes. Half the guys posting here are saying that they only care about their countrys athletes. I'm sure Argentina will have more coverage of soccer than anything else, and they are predicted to win! You need to lighten up and stop hating everything American based on double-standards and stereotypes.

I don't mind if you're making fun of the stereotypical person, but don't make judgements on me based on them.

**AareDub** · 08-11-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonax

anyone else know any medal winners?

I've met Kurt Angle once, and Brandon Slay several times. That's not exactly "knowing" them, but I figured I'd mention it anyway

**Downunder** · 08-12-2004, 11:07 AM

I honestly don't give a shit - but I am watching Australia play Tunisia (sp? I'm pissed) in Football, only because I love Football.

I'll probably only watch Football, Weightlifting and Boxing - I'm not interested in anything else.

And the media over here get lost up their own arses with wank about how many medals Australia will win. Actually if you watch the Australian coverage only, you'd think the only sport at the Olympics was swimming.

**ct2k** · 08-12-2004, 11:10 AM

Always been a huge athletics nut so i'll enjoy the second week, the basketball and football will probably be quite entertaining

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 02:04 PM

Does anybody know where there is a complete schedule? I think I'll have to be staying up late some nights to see a lot of the good stuff :meh:

**Team Sheep** · 08-12-2004, 06:39 PM

I just watched Iraq vs portugal in football. 4-2 to Iraq, exciting game

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 06:53 PM

Iraq won? I guess Portugal uses amateurs but even so I thought Iraqi atheletes were let in via pity?

**Team Sheep** · 08-12-2004, 07:00 PM

Iraq were pretty good. Portugal didn't field a weak team either, they had Ronaldo and Boa Morte on, but they were just outplayed really.

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 07:04 PM

I thought UEFA and South American (conembol?) countries didn't use their international players in the Olympics? Which was why African teams fared real well in the past. Did something change or am I just wrong?

**Rob Ban Fan** · 08-12-2004, 07:08 PM

theres been a big fuss about Premier league teams having to release players for the olympics. I dont know what the rules used to be. But it was a strong Portugal team.

**Team Sheep** · 08-12-2004, 07:12 PM

Ye Sir Alex has been really pissed about Heinze and Ronaldo. I guess tonight's result will please him though, so that Ronaldo can come back to Man U quicker.

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 07:13 PM

Group A	Group B	Group C	Group D
Greece	Paraguay	Argentina	Costa Rica
Rep. of Korea	Japan	Serbia and Montenegro	Morocco
Mali	Ghana	Tunisia	Iraq
Mexico	Italy	Australia	Portugal

Theres the lineup

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 07:13 PM

The Primiership is in its off season right now isn't it?

**Team Sheep** · 08-12-2004, 07:14 PM

Oh yeah and Italy vs Ghana was on earlier. Finished 2-2 after Ghana were 2-0 up.

**Team Sheep** · 08-12-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

The Primiership is in its off season right now isn't it?

Yeah but it starts again this Saturday and if Portugal reach the final then Ronaldo misses the first 4 Premiership games I think.

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 07:19 PM

If I was Ronaldo the Olympics would be more important then missing a few club games, wouldn't it?

Cameroon won in 2000 too, so I think CAF teams send their full international squad

**Team Sheep** · 08-12-2004, 07:23 PM

Yeah the olympics would be my first priority asswell.

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 07:43 PM

I have a question, maybe somebody knows...

Why, in track, do they have the 10,000 on the track? It seems like it would be more logical as a cross country race, and if im not mistaken the only race not on the track is the marathon. You could make a case for the 5k to be a cross country race aswell.

**Moonax** · 08-12-2004, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Damnit I just changed pages and when I clicked back my page of writing was gone

I'm not excited about every event that an American is in, and I am very excited about a lot of events that Americans didn't even qualify for. There are Americans competing in table tennis, but I'm not going to pay much attention to that, the men are not competing in soccer, but I am going to pay attention to that. I'm not just some dummy who is being pushed around by NBC, actually.

You obviously must not watch much ESPN, because the Tour de France got maybe 30 seconds a day on SportsCenter. The coverage was on OLN, a channel that I ordered specially, and a channel that shows the same coverage the rest of North America and UK see. I became a fan of cycling when I started reading about it and became intrigued by the strategy and precision of it, not because Stewart Scott gave a ten word update every night on SportsCenter. Stima is an example of a guy who follows Armstrong on ESPN, I am an example of a guy who follows the Tour de France through OLN, internet news sources, and various magazines. Theres a difference.

I know Thorpe, I know that he could easilly beat Phelps in at least one event. I know that Phelps isn't predicted to win seven and that the relays are hardly a lock. If I just watched ESPN and read Sports Illustrated, then I would think that he was a lock to win eight and that there are no other good swimmers out there, much less American. But I am well read, so I don't think that. Don't get me confused with all the guys crying when he only wins four golds.

It's easy to stereotype Americans as being ignorant on international sport, and for the most part it really is true. That doesn't mean that all Americans are completely ignorant. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I'm not the marionette with ESPN pulling my strings that you think I am. That said its not like the United States is the only country with biased coverage. You, for example, hate Lance Armstrong based on, well, speculation. Either that or else its because he is successful, confident, and American.

Its not a sin for a country to cover its own athletes. Half the guys posting here are saying that they only care about their countrys athletes. I'm sure Argentina will have more coverage of soccer than anything else, and they are predicted to win! You need to lighten up and stop hating everything American based on double-standards and stereotypes.

I don't mind if you're making fun of the stereotypical person, but don't make judgements on me based on them.

LOL. You are sometimes just plain ignorant.

I notice that you'va avoided responding to my points to you in the tour thread regarding Armstrong and his cheating. I criticise every drug cheat - whether it is Chinese runners, to Lance Armstrong to Paula Ratcliffe.

I actually watched quite a bit of ESPN when i was in North America and I noted the lack of criticism of Armstrongs conduct. I notice that you have been silent on the maater as well.

The very fact that you were not aware of the Portuguese team nor the discussion concerning the release of players for the tournament simply shows your ignorance.

You are as bad as marion jones lawyer, you have to realise that criticising someone who happens to be american does not make you anti-american. If you noticed I also criticised the media in the UK. I am critical of the media being nationalistic, it's the same everywhere and it annoys me everywhere, whether I am in the UK, US, Canada, Romania or Poland.

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 09:39 PM

Lance Armstrong isn't a drug cheat, there is no solid evidence AT ALL. You just overlooked everything I said in the other thread. Lance Armstrong isn't the best time trialist in the world, he is one of the best in the Tour de France, theres a difference. It is not unheard of to be good in both of those areas in the Tour, and my evidence was Jan Ullrich. You act like you know for a fact that Lance Armstrong is doping when really you have no clue other than what the media is telling you, and the media that is telling you information is the same one printing books with non-factual information against him. You can think what you want, but Lance Armstrong has never been caught on even the smallest doping charge, so until he is your opinion really doesn't mean anything.

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I actually watched quite a bit of ESPN when i was in North America and I noted the lack of criticism of Armstrongs conduct. I notice that you have been silent on the maater as well.

Cycling isn't big in the United States, for four weeks in the summer ESPN will give an update on the race and thats about it. I have been silent on the matter? Did you even read my post? ESPN isn't where I got my coverage of the Tour and its not where I get my information on Lance. And what do you want them to be criticizing anyway? "Even though nobody is paying attention, Lance chased down a guy who tried to nark on him with no proof of anything."

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The very fact that you were not aware of the Portuguese team nor the discussion concerning the release of players for the tournament simply shows your ignorance.

I am at a loss for words as to how rediculous this is. You are calling me ignorant for not knowing that the Portuguese national team is using some of its top players. If I knew everything about every sport in the whole damned world do you think I would be sitting here talking to you? I guess your logic makes this whole place a pretty ignorant group.

**Moonax** · 08-12-2004, 09:57 PM

Wrong. Armstrong failed a drugs test in 2000.

You have not dealt with Armstrongs relationship with Ferrari.

You claimed that it was anti-Americanism and ignored the criticism of Greg lemond.

You have not dealt with Armstrongs behaviour on stage 18.

The Portuguese team have been affected by the same club vs country debate that all the countries in the Olympics have been faced with. This is part of a huge debate across the world.

**BCWWF** · 08-12-2004, 10:14 PM

Apparantly you are the only one who knows if this crucial drug test then.

His relationship with Ferrari means nothing unless there is factual evidence that he is supplying EPO.

Yes I did. A little douche tried to rat him out without facts or evidence, so Armstrong made him pay for it on a national stage. If I was the number one cyclist in the world and some random guy tried to jump on the bandwagon and accuse me of doping with no proof, then I would make him pay also, teach him a lesson. "Don't nark on me if you have no proof." Thats not completely outrageous, unless of course you are nitpicking little double-standards out like you are.

I'm sure that debate is really big in the country where the foreign players are defecting from, but its really not an issue of great interest on my part and I haven't noticed a big deal on the websites I visit daily. I never claimed to be the god of your continents sports, I remind you.

**Moonax** · 08-13-2004, 06:51 AM

Once again you are being ignorant of the facts.

Armstrong failed a test for steriods. he claimed that they were ina cream he had used for Saddle sores and went unbanned. Thus, your claim that he has never failed any tests is simply a lie.

Ferreri has been banned because of his links to drugs in the sport. There is considerable evidence from a number of people who have implicated Ferreri including Simeoni.

Funny how 'lance is a hero and anyone who says otherwise is a lying anti-American'. Actually, Armstrong encouraged Simeone to give evidence and for people to read it. he then read what Simeoni said and started crying. Simeoni is not a 'random cyclist' but a former Giro winner and someone who has more class in this little finger than in the whole US Postal team.

Tell me why is blowing the whistle about drugs cheats 'bandwagon jumping'? What the coach who turned in the syringe that enabled them to test for TGH a bandwagon jumper?

It's funny but Simeoni should be applauded for doing something that no one else has done - especially not Armstrong - and that's take a stand about drugs in the Peleton. I am well aware that everyone in the peleton uses something.

You haven't addressed the issue of Lemond.

You claimed Armstrong was a 'great family man' but ignored the fact that he left his wife (hardly the sign of a good family man).

If you took your head out of your arse you might see Armstrong for what he is: a classless, cheating bully who milks the fact he had cancer to get sympathy from the gullable public.

**ct2k** · 08-13-2004, 08:42 AM

There's more going down as far as Greek athletes are concerned, Kenteris and another one both failed to turn up to a drugs test and there's talk of bannings

**Y2C** · 08-13-2004, 08:43 AM

In each given country, it's obvious that the sports that are going to be covered the most are going to be the ones that the country has the best chance of winning a gold medal in. Media outlets are interested in ratings & money, and obviously if there are Americans or Australians, or whatever, involved then there are going to be more people who are going to watch it.

The main thing that I'm going to be looking forward to is Roy & HG. During the Sydney Olympics they mostly focussed on the sports that not many people watch (like the Greco Roman Wrestling, for example) and make up piss funny names for all of the moves and interview random athletes asking stupid questions.

**The Cerebral Assassin** · 08-13-2004, 03:05 PM

I am looking forward to the following:

Wrestling
Weightlifting
Judo
Women's Swimming

Women's Volleyball

**BCWWF** · 08-13-2004, 03:11 PM

You guys are all ignorant and stupid, if you lived in England you would be enlightened and watch all the good sports like table tennis, badminton, and race walking. Shame on you.

**The Cerebral Assassin** · 08-13-2004, 07:25 PM

God dammit!

I forgot to mention taekwondo. I'll also watch that.

Maybe some football, soccer, as well.

**Quick1** · 08-13-2004, 09:09 PM

Ummm. Why did they open it with the theme from Jurassic Park?

08-11-2004, 08:57 PM	#1
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	Olympic Thread So who's looking forward to it? Thoughts, opinions and discussions. I'm looking forward to it because I enjoy seeing different sports. I hate the jingoism of the media. You'd think listening to the British and American media (and I am sure that is the same in Australia) that these were the only countries competing. The Olympics are totally corrupt. Rife with drug taking cheats and prima-donna's but there are also some good things about it. I like the fact that sports like Archery get a bit of attention. So anyway, what do people think about the Olympics, what events are people looking forward to? So he fucked them in school. All I know is there were rumours. There were rumours he was into field hockey players. There were rumours (So I applied basically), he was gone the next day, (I went on their team), it's like he was gone, it was like so hush hush, they were so quiet about it, and the next thing you know...

08-11-2004, 09:00 PM	#2
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I am really looking forward to the Olympics, because frankly a lot of the events just aren't the same when they are outside the Olympics, like track and swimming for example. I also love the concept of international competition, it would be better IMO if the United States wasn't such a force, but in sports like basketball I think that in 2008 and 2012 international competition will become a lot better. I know the US has a chance of not winning this year, but even if they don't it doesn't really mean anything. Anyway, I am looking forward to it because I like the concept of all the different events and different nations etc. I bought Athens 2004 for PS2, its key.

08-11-2004, 09:05 PM	#3
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	Well there is more to the Olympics than sports the US is good in. The US media focuses in on sports where there are US hopes which gives you a skewed impression. For example you won't get coverage of the women's marathon if there is no hope for a US medal. But you will get coverage of beach vollyball if there is. It's the same in the UK, some guy who is a fencer who never gets any coverage at all for 4 years because he looks like he's doing well there will suddenly be huge media interest. Really you ought to watch different media. see if you can get Canadian coverage or something for a different perspective.

08-11-2004, 09:41 PM	#4
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Thats true but its also true that a lot of the events there aren't very exciting, so some of those Scandanavian guys will clean out the 50k race walk, but I don't really want to see that. But yes, there will be things that would be real interesting/cool to see that will probably not be shown, but NBC has an ungodly amound of coverage this year, so you never know. What I meant was that it would be really cool if a lot of countries were right around like 70 medals instead of three countries (US, Russia, Chinia) just out of reach. Regardless though, I am reading into some sports I never cared about before a lot lately, like swimming for example, I'm pretty excited for those events. Overall I'm pretty excited.

08-11-2004, 10:05 PM	#5
Ogen Posts: 16,220	Never really been interested in Olympic events. Only events I've ever bothered to activly watch were Sonia O Sullivans races in her prime. I'll probably have it on in the background and check out a few things but all in all I'm pretty indifferent to it all.

08-11-2004, 10:06 PM	#6
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	But the reason why you don't find them exciting is because the media doesn't hype them up as exciting. If they were involving US sportsmen I'm sure you'd find them exciting. You wouldn't watch the Tour if Armstrong was constantly being sucked off by ESPN. The coverage of the swimming is a joke. Its as if they've never heard of ian Thorpe.

08-11-2004, 10:12 PM	#7
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Canada gives pretty good coverage of the entire games. Sure they are Canuck heavy in content, but they do a fair job of covering as much as possible. Soccer has already started BTW. I'm into anything really. Track&Field, swimming especially....Then I forget about them until next Olympics.

08-11-2004, 10:13 PM	#8
AareDub I Hate Bottles Posts: 4,362	The only thing I'm interested in during these Olympics is Cael Sanderson. I can't wait to see how well he competes against the other countries this year. He is one of the best amateur wrestlers ever, I've been waiting to see him in the Olympics since he finished his 4 years undefeated in the NCAA a few years ago. Sadly, wrestling barely gets any coverage

08-11-2004, 10:14 PM	#9
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	jeez, didn't even know they started. I'm off.

08-11-2004, 10:27 PM	#10
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	My wife's cousin won a bronze medal at Barcelona anyone else know any medal winners?

08-11-2004, 11:00 PM	#11
Ogen Posts: 16,220	Actually the Olympics last time that guy can't remeber where he was from Ghana or Gambia or something who could barely swim the length of the pool. He'd only learned how to swim in the months prior that was quality. Hes not taking part this year as hes lost his passport or something mad like that.

08-12-2004, 11:07 AM	#14
Downunder God Bless America Posts: 37,905	I honestly don't give a shit - but I am watching Australia play Tunisia (sp? I'm pissed) in Football, only because I love Football. I'll probably only watch Football, Weightlifting and Boxing - I'm not interested in anything else. And the media over here get lost up their own arses with wank about how many medals Australia will win. Actually if you watch the Australian coverage only, you'd think the only sport at the Olympics was swimming.

08-12-2004, 11:10 AM	#15
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Always been a huge athletics nut so i'll enjoy the second week, the basketball and football will probably be quite entertaining

08-12-2004, 02:04 PM	#16
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Does anybody know where there is a complete schedule? I think I'll have to be staying up late some nights to see a lot of the good stuff :meh:

08-12-2004, 06:39 PM	#17
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	I just watched Iraq vs portugal in football. 4-2 to Iraq, exciting game

08-12-2004, 06:53 PM	#18
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Iraq won? I guess Portugal uses amateurs but even so I thought Iraqi atheletes were let in via pity?

08-12-2004, 07:00 PM	#19
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Iraq were pretty good. Portugal didn't field a weak team either, they had Ronaldo and Boa Morte on, but they were just outplayed really.

08-12-2004, 07:04 PM	#20
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I thought UEFA and South American (conembol?) countries didn't use their international players in the Olympics? Which was why African teams fared real well in the past. Did something change or am I just wrong?

08-12-2004, 07:08 PM	#21
Rob Ban Fan Rt Hon Ed Balls MP Posts: 9,004	theres been a big fuss about Premier league teams having to release players for the olympics. I dont know what the rules used to be. But it was a strong Portugal team.

08-12-2004, 07:12 PM	#22
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Ye Sir Alex has been really pissed about Heinze and Ronaldo. I guess tonight's result will please him though, so that Ronaldo can come back to Man U quicker.

08-12-2004, 07:13 PM	#24
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The Primiership is in its off season right now isn't it?

08-12-2004, 07:14 PM	#25
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Oh yeah and Italy vs Ghana was on earlier. Finished 2-2 after Ghana were 2-0 up.

08-12-2004, 07:19 PM	#27
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	If I was Ronaldo the Olympics would be more important then missing a few club games, wouldn't it? Cameroon won in 2000 too, so I think CAF teams send their full international squad

08-12-2004, 07:23 PM	#28
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Yeah the olympics would be my first priority asswell.

08-12-2004, 07:43 PM	#29
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I have a question, maybe somebody knows... Why, in track, do they have the 10,000 on the track? It seems like it would be more logical as a cross country race, and if im not mistaken the only race not on the track is the marathon. You could make a case for the 5k to be a cross country race aswell.

08-12-2004, 09:57 PM	#32
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	Wrong. Armstrong failed a drugs test in 2000. You have not dealt with Armstrongs relationship with Ferrari. You claimed that it was anti-Americanism and ignored the criticism of Greg lemond. You have not dealt with Armstrongs behaviour on stage 18. The Portuguese team have been affected by the same club vs country debate that all the countries in the Olympics have been faced with. This is part of a huge debate across the world.

08-12-2004, 10:14 PM	#33
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Apparantly you are the only one who knows if this crucial drug test then. His relationship with Ferrari means nothing unless there is factual evidence that he is supplying EPO. Yes I did. A little douche tried to rat him out without facts or evidence, so Armstrong made him pay for it on a national stage. If I was the number one cyclist in the world and some random guy tried to jump on the bandwagon and accuse me of doping with no proof, then I would make him pay also, teach him a lesson. "Don't nark on me if you have no proof." Thats not completely outrageous, unless of course you are nitpicking little double-standards out like you are. I'm sure that debate is really big in the country where the foreign players are defecting from, but its really not an issue of great interest on my part and I haven't noticed a big deal on the websites I visit daily. I never claimed to be the god of your continents sports, I remind you.

08-13-2004, 06:51 AM	#34
Moonax Sunteti chiar prost? Posts: 15,102	Once again you are being ignorant of the facts. Armstrong failed a test for steriods. he claimed that they were ina cream he had used for Saddle sores and went unbanned. Thus, your claim that he has never failed any tests is simply a lie. Ferreri has been banned because of his links to drugs in the sport. There is considerable evidence from a number of people who have implicated Ferreri including Simeoni. Funny how 'lance is a hero and anyone who says otherwise is a lying anti-American'. Actually, Armstrong encouraged Simeone to give evidence and for people to read it. he then read what Simeoni said and started crying. Simeoni is not a 'random cyclist' but a former Giro winner and someone who has more class in this little finger than in the whole US Postal team. Tell me why is blowing the whistle about drugs cheats 'bandwagon jumping'? What the coach who turned in the syringe that enabled them to test for TGH a bandwagon jumper? It's funny but Simeoni should be applauded for doing something that no one else has done - especially not Armstrong - and that's take a stand about drugs in the Peleton. I am well aware that everyone in the peleton uses something. You haven't addressed the issue of Lemond. You claimed Armstrong was a 'great family man' but ignored the fact that he left his wife (hardly the sign of a good family man). If you took your head out of your arse you might see Armstrong for what he is: a classless, cheating bully who milks the fact he had cancer to get sympathy from the gullable public.

08-13-2004, 08:42 AM	#35
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	There's more going down as far as Greek athletes are concerned, Kenteris and another one both failed to turn up to a drugs test and there's talk of bannings

08-13-2004, 08:43 AM	#36
Y2C Junior Member Posts: 24,994	In each given country, it's obvious that the sports that are going to be covered the most are going to be the ones that the country has the best chance of winning a gold medal in. Media outlets are interested in ratings & money, and obviously if there are Americans or Australians, or whatever, involved then there are going to be more people who are going to watch it. The main thing that I'm going to be looking forward to is Roy & HG. During the Sydney Olympics they mostly focussed on the sports that not many people watch (like the Greco Roman Wrestling, for example) and make up piss funny names for all of the moves and interview random athletes asking stupid questions.

08-13-2004, 03:05 PM	#37
The Cerebral Assassin The Crusher Posts: 1,690	I am looking forward to the following: Wrestling Weightlifting Judo Women's Swimming Women's Volleyball