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Kane Knight 02-04-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2424111)
I've said my piece, I'm tired of this circle of arguments.

Echo Chamber.

Juan 02-04-2009 07:25 PM

I'd rather see Hornswoggle as ECW champion than be subjected to Mark Henry again.

Mr. Nerfect 02-04-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2424096)
All those choices are terrible except for Morrison and he is preoccupied.

:y:

There are flaws with all of those guys as ECW Champion. The only one I can maybe agree with is Finlay. Already, at this stage of his career, Jack Swagger is already better than Mark Henry. If Henry wins another title soon, it'll hopefully be a Tag Team Championship, just to keep him out of the main event picture.

John Morrison & The Miz are involved too heavily in their tag team shit, right now. Besides, I personally feel that John Morrison winning the ECW Title would actually be a step backwards for him. He's already held it. After he breaks up with The Miz, it should be onto either RAW or SmackDown! in a more prominent role. As for The Miz, I don't quite think people take him seriously enough yet, even though he is improving. If Tommy Dreamer does win the ECW Title in June, I see The Miz being the one to win it off him then. But that's only if Dreamer beats Swagger for the belt, which is a long-shot.

As for Tommy Dreamer winning the ECW Title? It completely cuts into his intriguing story. Dreamer is still solid in the ring, and a good promo man, but he needs to be built up. Swagger already went over Dreamer by the time they decided to take the ECW Title off Matt Hardy, anyway.

The only option I think could be reasoned as being a better choice than Jack Swagger right now, is Finlay. But those two are feuding now anyway.

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 09:55 AM

I know I was said I was done, but then noid had to come in and completely miss the mark. My argument is that Swagger is to green to be anything but a lower teir champion, not the 3 highest in WWE. The simple fact he is now fueding with Finlay doesn't fix that. Also, my argument that slapping the belt on Swagger to simply get it off Hardy is hot shotting.

With a little bit of preplanning, any of the 5 or 6 guys I keep mentioning would have been better than Swagger as most of them are former champions or at the same caliber as past ECW champions. While I agree that Miz and Morrison are a little tied up as tag champions, but then again WWE never pays attention to the tag belts and they are rarely on PPV, so they could fit in a ECW championship run for one of them

I honestly thought Mark Henry makes good ECW champion as Mark Henry is a gatekeeper. If you beat him, you are on your way to bigger and better things, if you don't beat him, you probably aren't going to advance much further anytime soon. And with Henry, because of his size and gimmick, wins don't matter much because he will still look like a monster (same as Kane or Bigshow).

Tommy Dreamer could have won the title and had a last hurrah and lost it at Wrestlemania and retired. From what I know about Dreamer, jobbing the ECW title to the next big star would have been the highlight of his career. And, just a little preplanning because they knew Matt Hardy was going to be involved in a storyline with his brother, they could have easily worked that out.

As for Finlay he has been on a tear in ECW, it would have made prefect sence for him to get the title, and then he could have feuded with Swagger till Mania, or there could have been a 3 way dance between Swagger, Finlay, and Dreamer.

Kane Knight 02-05-2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2424278)
There are flaws with all of those guys as ECW Champion.

Being green and relatively unknown is a bigger flaw than anything you're putting up against the other guys. Yeah, you like Swagger better than Mark Henry. Henry may suck, but he's a former champion, a big name relative to the WWE's currents, and a monster. Beating him could easily make someone look good regardless of his status as a glorified paperweight.

Nark Order 02-05-2009 10:26 AM

You all are always the first to complain about WWE not making new stars and then when they try to do it there's a load of bitching about it. Come on.

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 10:34 AM

No I'm not. I tend to point out when they have while everyone else is complaining they haven't.

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 10:35 AM

Though I have always been against pushing green wrestlers to the moon, that is just bad policy.

Kane Knight 02-05-2009 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2425011)
You all are always the first to complain about WWE not making new stars and then when they try to do it there's a load of bitching about it. Come on.

If you're gonna lie, Narc, make it believable.

That aside, wanting them to push new people and not wanting them to push green people are not mutually exclusive thoughts.

Contradiction? Failed.

Destor 02-05-2009 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2425049)
If you're gonna lie, Narc, make it believable.

You can't honestly think you don't do that. Seriously, even you aren't that stupid.

Destor 02-05-2009 12:39 PM

You're the most wishy washy poster on this board you simply bitch abnout what ever is currently happening, irrelevent of whether or not you were bitch about the exact opposite thing just months before.

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 12:40 PM

I do not.

Kane Knight 02-05-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2425075)
You can't honestly think you don't do that. Seriously, even you aren't that stupid.

You of all people shouldn't be calling me on either making shit up or being stupid. :)

Destor 02-05-2009 01:03 PM

You can play that card all day KK. I'm no liar. You go around calling everyone liar's when they point out your flaws, I'm beging to think you're delusional.

Kane Knight 02-05-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2425076)
You're the most wishy washy poster on this board you simply bitch abnout what ever is currently happening, irrelevent of whether or not you were bitch about the exact opposite thing just months before.

LOL. Keep trying, Des. Maybe if you wish really hard, your bullshit will become true.

Destor 02-05-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2425104)
LOL. Keep trying, Des. Maybe if you wish really hard, your bullshit will become true.

Yeah bro, gotta be bs cause you think otherwise. You need to pull you head out of your ass brother. Seriously.

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 01:11 PM

I love it. Ever dodge possible has been brought to this thread.

1) Acussing me of not watching ECW/Swagger so my opinion isn't valid.
2) There was no one else ready if you ignore half the roster
3) He is doing a great job despite us all agreeing he is too green and shouldn't hold the 3rd highest title.
4) I always complain about how WWE doesn't make new stars, now that they are I'm complaining it isn't the right star (which is a complete bullshit statment, but whatever).
5) I'm bitchy, wishy-washy and thefefore my opinion is moot.

Love it, keep dodging everything guy.

Destor 02-05-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2425107)
I love it. Ever dodge possible has been brought to this thread.

1) Acussing me of not watching ECW/Swagger so my opinion isn't valid.
2) There was no one else ready if you ignore half the roster
3) He is doing a great job despite us all agreeing he is too green and shouldn't hold the 3rd highest title.
4) I always complain about how WWE doesn't make new stars, now that they are I'm complaining it isn't the right star (which is a complete bullshit statment, but whatever).
5) I'm bitchy, wishy-washy and thefefore my opinion is moot.

Love it, keep dodging everything guy.

Wrong account?

Kane Knight 02-05-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2425103)
You can play that card all day KK. I'm no liar. You go around calling everyone liar's when they point out your flaws, I'm beging to think you're delusional.

Hello, Pot!

Go on. Find some cases. Get back to me when you do.

Kane Knight 02-05-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2425105)
Yeah bro, gotta be bs cause you think otherwise. You need to pull you head out of your ass brother. Seriously.

Again...Take your own advice?

Destor 02-05-2009 01:18 PM

LOL how many times have you used this same bs with Noid?

Destor 02-05-2009 01:19 PM

Get a new stchick KK. No ones buys your bull shit.*

Destor 02-05-2009 01:19 PM

*except BDC

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 01:21 PM

Destor, are you arguing just to argue now? Because you do realize that I'm right about Swagger and you are just trying to win something now?

Destor 02-05-2009 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2425119)
Destor, are you arguing just to argue now? Because you do realize that I'm right about Swagger and you are just trying to win something now?

I'm not arguing with you BDC. I have no clue why you seem to think you have a dog in this fight.

Destor 02-05-2009 01:22 PM

I told you pages ago you were right.

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 01:26 PM

Good, then shut up. I don't think I have a dog in this fight, but it is happening in my thread, and I don't allow that kinda pointless arguing. Go make a thread about pointless arguing if you want that. This is about how Swagger sucks.

Destor 02-05-2009 01:32 PM

You were the one arguing about grammer on page 2

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 01:35 PM

Yeah, my thread, I get to do that.

Destor 02-05-2009 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BDC
Yeah, my bad, I just love the penis.



It's cool.

Destor 02-05-2009 01:39 PM

LOL, you edited your post.

BigDaddyCool 02-05-2009 01:39 PM

That is abuse of mod powers, plust I wasn't arguing about grammar on page 2. Assume you are viewing this at 40 post a page.

Destor 02-05-2009 01:39 PM

The first reply was better

Nark Order 02-05-2009 03:37 PM

KK, what about what I said is not the truth?

1.) Everybody on here bitches that news stars aren't being made more often. Including you.
2.) When WWE attempts to make new stars everybody bitches about it. Including you.

I don't know where you're getting all this lying of mine from. He's green, sure. But we haven't really seen where WWE is going with all this and ECW championship isn't exactly the highest pinnacle that a wrestler can achieve. So all of this 'blowing their load' stuff everyone is going on about doesn't even apply. It seems as if they're going with a slow buildup.

The Mackem 02-06-2009 10:13 AM

WTF is going on in here?

BigDaddyCool 02-06-2009 11:10 AM

Arguing about bullshit.

The Mackem 02-06-2009 11:16 AM

Destor's penis?

Jeritron 02-06-2009 11:36 AM

He hasn't seen it for years because it's been buried in your mama's poonjabi prison

The Mackem 02-06-2009 12:13 PM

Can this be changed to the original topic title and then just left FFS.

Destor 02-06-2009 12:14 PM

Don't let us have any fun or anything THE MACKEM


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