John Cena is the greatest of all time
 

Seriously.
Only wrestler to SIMULTANEOUSLY get just as much boos as cheers. sure, HHH, HBK, Austin etc. could get booed to hell, or cheered to heaven, but ever both at the same venue, same time, on a consistent basis?
sure the numbers will favour John cena merchandise. his in many movies, he had his own record deal. his main evented many wrestlemanias and brought in the crowds and interests. his promos are great, his standing in social networks is huge, as most ppl know more about John Cena now days then any other wrestler.

IMAGINE how big this guy would be if he could actually wrestle??????

now i dont honestly believe his the greatest wrestler of all time. but surely he'd have to figure in the top ten? at least be considered.

Considering he's meant to be cheered, it's not that much of an acheivement. It is, in fact, a fail.

yeah but the WWE and John cena do play it up now days. its defs deliberate (or deliberate in the fact they arent changing it)





o and btw.... i do know John Cena currently is not even close to the greatest wrestler of all time. i just wanted him to get some credit for once ;)

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:nono:No

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wow i thought i was gonna get HEAPS of criticsim and bad rep for my 2 threads tonight... but billybonez just topped grabbed the spot light and put it on himself! thx man :D

LMAO

John Cena can wrestle. And Mr. Bonez, it's to be noted that most if not all of the IWC knows he can wrestle. The hate is directed towards the character, not the man.

Cena can't even pull off a headlock, what the hell is wrong with you new posters!?

First of all, YouTube. Yeah he's gotten sloppy in the ring because all he does is four moves, but go check that shit from when he was a heel. Go check from when he was in the farm league.

he obviously CAN wreslte. but not great. im talking imagine if he had BRET HART skills!!!!

Look at it like this: Austin could put on a clinic. Maybe not Bret Hart style, but the man could go. Did we see that from the Stone Cold character? No. He was pushed to his highest point as a brawler with limited in ring ability. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not a Cena fan by any measure, but it's the character he plays that restricts his ability. Not saying he's anywhere near Steve Austin good, but he's better than he comes off on TV.

I don't need youtube to remember how he was when he was heel. He was still bad, anyone can get through not knowing how to wrestle as a heel.

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So you're right on the matter just cause you say so? You got nothing else to say besides "my memory is perfect I don't need Youtube" and :nono:? Thanks for your take, fella.

Cena is used like Bill Goldberg was in WCW. He's hyped, he's given the win and the save.

I wouldn't say that he's that great.

It's the people who have pushed him to that spot that deserve the credibility.

The writers, etc.

He's a decent actor though.

Once he becomes a full fledge heel and can play that role well for a year or so, then maybe we can have this discussion again.

Until then, keep drooling to his poster on your wall.

Didn't Cena tear his pec by giving a hip toss? Not receiving a bad one, mind you, but GIVING ONE?

Cena was great as a heel

and now he just sucks!

You're welcome, anytime fella:)

Agreed

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I retract my previous statements. Fuck the dipshit. Fire him out of a cannon.

TJ's 100% right.

I've always said that Cena CAN wrestle (and DOES pull out very good matches sometimes, RVD/Cena, Umaga/Cena, even Batista/Cena). He's one of the best guys they've ever had for publicity, PR and being the face of the company.

It's his gimmick that people don't like. I honestly think that, given the right gimmick and push, he'd easily be up there. Not on Austin/Rock/Hogan level, because I don't think he has it to that point (and let's face it, maybe no one will again), but on the tier below? Absolutely.

But on the flip side, Cena is a merch seller and is over with their target demographic. We may not agree that this should be their target demographic, but you can't say that, given the company's stance right now, that Cena isn't the best guy to be on top in his current character when you look at all his positives from WWE's standpoint.

I agree with this post. I have been a Cena fan since 2002 and my favorite time periods for him was when he was long reigning champions. I like when guys hold title for a longer period of time. it gives them more prestige. If Bruno Sammartino were around now, people would boo him out of the building, I mean he was champ for 8 years. He is one of the top babyfaces of all time and a really good wrestler. I have had the privilege to watch some of his older matches on tapes and he would fall into a favorites category for me. Cena is a favorite of mine and will continue to be. Plus, he is a nice guy and has a good head on his shoulders.

But he's not the greatest of all time. Fuck off with that shit.

The only problem I have with Cena is he might not sell as much as I would like, but that is part of his character so I can over look that. He is very much capable inside of the ring though. People seem unable to look past his stale cookie cutter face shenanigans, and give the man the credit he deserves for his ability in the ring.

Who the fuck is this John Cena guy?

Yo, I had a Pope avatar first.... and Cena either Doesn't sell enough or he over sells.

i will say cena does need a new arsenal of moves because everytime he wrestles he proves he do can like 7 moves

That is so going in my sig. Thanks big dog. Glad someone understands what I was saying.

But TJ said he took it all back

Its cool I've been in the process of changing mine since Lockdown anyways. True he does falter sometimes when it comes to selling, but besides that the man is solid in the ring.

Sarcasm, fella. Do we honestly have to do the shifty eyes smiley every time for people to understand that?

Didn't HHH tear a quad by just walking across the ring?

No TJ, you don't need to do that:shifty:

You dont know what you're talking about.

but HHH is part of DX :P


and xero, obviously cena isnt the greatest :D his most likely top 20 tho :P

Who the hell gets peer pressured into boo'ing/cheering someone? I wish somebody would tell me that if i cheered Cena i'd be "lame" or something. I'd just look at them like "lol..this tool is taking this WAY to seriously..now who's the lame here". I'm going to RAW on June 5th and i will be drunk off my ass and i will cheer the HELL out of RKO, JoMo, hell, maybe Sheamus because he's growing on me really fast.

When I was at RAW a few weeks ago a Cena fan stopped me, perplexed, and asked me if I wasn't a Cena fan. I was wearing my anti-Cena shirt and he was decked out in every piece of Cena gear imaginable.

Do they have a super power to detect a non-Cena fan? Its like an epidemic.

Considering the fact that he's a solid corner stone in the main event, gets cheered, and has a legion of fans who want to kill him, I'll say it's not a failure in any way what so ever.
Seriously. A mixed reaction rarely hits the main event. Cena is incredible, no matter how much we dislike him. In other words....
You Can't See Me!

Cena will definitely go down in history as legendary. He may not be on Hogan, Austin or Rock's level, but still, for different reasons. His 2005-2007 crowd reactions are something that has never happened before and in all likelihood will never happen again to that extent.

Cena is a company man, and a good person who'll give his all for the company and the fans.

i agree Kirby :)

Lad, I knew he seemed familiar.

Vermaat lives!

He didn't say anything about Mark Henry being the future.

You don't seriously mean that...Do you?

normally, I wouldn't ask, but...Kane Mask Tattoo.

His mixed reaction isn't a bad thing anymore really. The commentators acknowledge it all the time, and I believe they play it up sometimes. He is the face of PG WWE. You might think he sucks, that he can't wrestle, that his movies are horrible, but still your a minority when put up against the legions of little kiddies who make up the Chain Gang.

:lol: When I went to the Raw show on March 15, I was booing my lungs out at Cena, and, being surrounded by Cena kiddies, was given the most evil of collective stares when I cheered mightily after Big Show pinned him. I've never relished in a wrestler losing more than that one moment.

he's okay. the only thing i enjoy about him is rooting against him. i hate the way he bumps. i hate the way he hits the ropes. i hate the way he does that stupid flipping neck breaker thing. and i hate the way he's pushed to the heavens. i've hated cena since i first saw him.

They acknowledge it because they have no choice. That's a pretty twisted justification for why it's no longer a bad thing. He is a success because he sells merchandise, not because of his mixed reaction. Failure doesn't become success because you lampshade it.

So fucking sick of explaining to people that Cena can wrestle. Bunch of fucking twits.

I used to hate Cena as a typical Internet mark, but now my only knock on Cena is his long-term selling in matches. He refuses to sell anything during his 5 Moves of Doom and it's just annoying. But besides that, the guy is a great entertainer and consistently puts on fun matches with all different types of opponents.

F U CEEEEEEEENA!

*clap**clap*clap clap clap*

Rinse and repeat.

Does he still not get cheered though? Like a lot? The boos are not hurting him either, they show that people care enough to give a reaction. Plus when he gets replaced as the top face, and finally does turn heel it will be massive. A lot of these guys who are suppose to be the next big thing would kill for any sort of reaction, yet alone one as big as Cena gets week in week out.

The boos don't hurt him any more than any other sort of unintended reaction, but at that point, we're rendering a lot of the business moot.

Still his success alone isn't because how much merchandise he sells. He busted his ass off to get to where he is today, has put on some great performances in and out of the ring, plus is a company man people can rely on. I just don't get all the vicious hate he gets sometimes. Sure his character is stale I hear you on that, but that affects his in ring ability how?

Are you talking to me?

He's sexy.