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Old 05-02-2010, 09:55 AM   #1
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John Cena is the greatest of all time
Seriously.
Only wrestler to SIMULTANEOUSLY get just as much boos as cheers. sure, HHH, HBK, Austin etc. could get booed to hell, or cheered to heaven, but ever both at the same venue, same time, on a consistent basis?
sure the numbers will favour John cena merchandise. his in many movies, he had his own record deal. his main evented many wrestlemanias and brought in the crowds and interests. his promos are great, his standing in social networks is huge, as most ppl know more about John Cena now days then any other wrestler.

IMAGINE how big this guy would be if he could actually wrestle??????

now i dont honestly believe his the greatest wrestler of all time. but surely he'd have to figure in the top ten? at least be considered.
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:58 AM   #2
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Seriously.
Only wrestler to SIMULTANEOUSLY get just as much boos as cheers. sure, HHH, HBK, Austin etc. could get booed to hell, or cheered to heaven, but ever both at the same venue, same time, on a consistent basis?
Considering he's meant to be cheered, it's not that much of an acheivement. It is, in fact, a fail.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:04 AM   #3
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Considering he's meant to be cheered, it's not that much of an acheivement. It is, in fact, a fail.

yeah but the WWE and John cena do play it up now days. its defs deliberate (or deliberate in the fact they arent changing it)





o and btw.... i do know John Cena currently is not even close to the greatest wrestler of all time. i just wanted him to get some credit for once
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I think a lot of hate Cena gets is not genuine. A lot of it is because its "cool" to hate him and people get peer pressure and jump on the bandawagon to hate Cena. A lot of it is because people dont hate Cena but actually hate themselves because they wish they were like him but they aint.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:10 AM   #7
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wow i thought i was gonna get HEAPS of criticsim and bad rep for my 2 threads tonight... but billybonez just topped grabbed the spot light and put it on himself! thx man
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:13 AM   #8
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wow i thought i was gonna get HEAPS of criticsim and bad rep for my 2 threads tonight... but billybonez just topped grabbed the spot light and put it on himself! thx man
Thats cuz I give it to ya straight, I say things that other are afraid to say and I mean what I say when I say it.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:16 AM   #10
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IMAGINE how big this guy would be if he could actually wrestle??????
John Cena can wrestle. And Mr. Bonez, it's to be noted that most if not all of the IWC knows he can wrestle. The hate is directed towards the character, not the man.
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Cena can't even pull off a headlock, what the hell is wrong with you new posters!?
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Cena can't even pull off a headlock, what the hell is wrong with you new posters!?
First of all, YouTube. Yeah he's gotten sloppy in the ring because all he does is four moves, but go check that shit from when he was a heel. Go check from when he was in the farm league.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:36 AM   #13
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he obviously CAN wreslte. but not great. im talking imagine if he had BRET HART skills!!!!
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he obviously CAN wreslte. but not great. im talking imagine if he had BRET HART skills!!!!
Look at it like this: Austin could put on a clinic. Maybe not Bret Hart style, but the man could go. Did we see that from the Stone Cold character? No. He was pushed to his highest point as a brawler with limited in ring ability. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not a Cena fan by any measure, but it's the character he plays that restricts his ability. Not saying he's anywhere near Steve Austin good, but he's better than he comes off on TV.
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I don't need youtube to remember how he was when he was heel. He was still bad, anyone can get through not knowing how to wrestle as a heel.
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Look at it like this: Austin could put on a clinic. Maybe not Bret Hart style, but the man could go. Did we see that from the Stone Cold character? No. He was pushed to his highest point as a brawler with limited in ring ability. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not a Cena fan by any measure, but it's the character he plays that restricts his ability. Not saying he's anywhere near Steve Austin good, but he's better than he comes off on TV.
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So you're right on the matter just cause you say so? You got nothing else to say besides "my memory is perfect I don't need Youtube" and ? Thanks for your take, fella.
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Cena is used like Bill Goldberg was in WCW. He's hyped, he's given the win and the save.

I wouldn't say that he's that great.

It's the people who have pushed him to that spot that deserve the credibility.

The writers, etc.

He's a decent actor though.

Once he becomes a full fledge heel and can play that role well for a year or so, then maybe we can have this discussion again.

Until then, keep drooling to his poster on your wall.
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Didn't Cena tear his pec by giving a hip toss? Not receiving a bad one, mind you, but GIVING ONE?
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Cena was great as a heel

and now he just sucks!
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So you're right on the matter just cause you say so? You got nothing else to say besides "my memory is perfect I don't need Youtube" and ? Thanks for your take, fella.
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Didn't Cena tear his pec by giving a hip toss? Not receiving a bad one, mind you, but GIVING ONE?
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I retract my previous statements. Fuck the dipshit. Fire him out of a cannon.
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Look at it like this: Austin could put on a clinic. Maybe not Bret Hart style, but the man could go. Did we see that from the Stone Cold character? No. He was pushed to his highest point as a brawler with limited in ring ability. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not a Cena fan by any measure, but it's the character he plays that restricts his ability. Not saying he's anywhere near Steve Austin good, but he's better than he comes off on TV.
TJ's 100% right.

I've always said that Cena CAN wrestle (and DOES pull out very good matches sometimes, RVD/Cena, Umaga/Cena, even Batista/Cena). He's one of the best guys they've ever had for publicity, PR and being the face of the company.

It's his gimmick that people don't like. I honestly think that, given the right gimmick and push, he'd easily be up there. Not on Austin/Rock/Hogan level, because I don't think he has it to that point (and let's face it, maybe no one will again), but on the tier below? Absolutely.

But on the flip side, Cena is a merch seller and is over with their target demographic. We may not agree that this should be their target demographic, but you can't say that, given the company's stance right now, that Cena isn't the best guy to be on top in his current character when you look at all his positives from WWE's standpoint.
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I think a lot of hate Cena gets is not genuine. A lot of it is because its "cool" to hate him and people get peer pressure and jump on the bandawagon to hate Cena. A lot of it is because people dont hate Cena but actually hate themselves because they wish they were like him but they aint.
I agree with this post. I have been a Cena fan since 2002 and my favorite time periods for him was when he was long reigning champions. I like when guys hold title for a longer period of time. it gives them more prestige. If Bruno Sammartino were around now, people would boo him out of the building, I mean he was champ for 8 years. He is one of the top babyfaces of all time and a really good wrestler. I have had the privilege to watch some of his older matches on tapes and he would fall into a favorites category for me. Cena is a favorite of mine and will continue to be. Plus, he is a nice guy and has a good head on his shoulders.
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But he's not the greatest of all time. Fuck off with that shit.
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The only problem I have with Cena is he might not sell as much as I would like, but that is part of his character so I can over look that. He is very much capable inside of the ring though. People seem unable to look past his stale cookie cutter face shenanigans, and give the man the credit he deserves for his ability in the ring.
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The only problem I have with Cena is he might not sell as much as I would like, but that is part of his character so I can over look that. He is very much capable inside of the ring though. People seem unable to look past his stale cookie cutter face shenanigans, and give the man the credit he deserves for his ability in the ring.
Yo, I had a Pope avatar first.... and Cena either Doesn't sell enough or he over sells.
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i will say cena does need a new arsenal of moves because everytime he wrestles he proves he do can like 7 moves
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But TJ said he took it all back
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Its cool I've been in the process of changing mine since Lockdown anyways. True he does falter sometimes when it comes to selling, but besides that the man is solid in the ring.
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But TJ said he took it all back
Sarcasm, fella. Do we honestly have to do the shifty eyes smiley every time for people to understand that?
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Didn't Cena tear his pec by giving a hip toss? Not receiving a bad one, mind you, but GIVING ONE?
Didn't HHH tear a quad by just walking across the ring?
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Sarcasm, fella. Do we honestly have to do the shifty eyes smiley every time for people to understand that?
No TJ, you don't need to do that
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Look at it like this: Austin could put on a clinic. Maybe not Bret Hart style, but the man could go. Did we see that from the Stone Cold character? No. He was pushed to his highest point as a brawler with limited in ring ability. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not a Cena fan by any measure, but it's the character he plays that restricts his ability. Not saying he's anywhere near Steve Austin good, but he's better than he comes off on TV.
You dont know what you're talking about.
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Who the hell gets peer pressured into boo'ing/cheering someone? I wish somebody would tell me that if i cheered Cena i'd be "lame" or something. I'd just look at them like "lol..this tool is taking this WAY to seriously..now who's the lame here". I'm going to RAW on June 5th and i will be drunk off my ass and i will cheer the HELL out of RKO, JoMo, hell, maybe Sheamus because he's growing on me really fast.
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