Why do you hate John Cena?
 

O.K. I get it, the IWC hates John Cena. However, I believe that most of you only hate him because it is the cool thing to do, and because you are a sheep.

John Cena leads the way in merch sales, he is in at least a year, and is the face of the WWE. He works the hardest, and is by far the busiest wrestler in the business today. That being said let me hear (read) the 2 top reasons why you hate him.

1) He sucks in the ring
2) He sucks outside the ring

Was there a shitty posters convention where you all decided to work the word sheep into your daily vocabularies?

I don't hate him, I am a Cena Friend.

SaskatchewanChamp, do you like him?

Nope, and here is why;

1) He was forced down our throats from the beginning. The guy seemed invincible, and quite frankly I got sick of him playing the "Over coming the odds" guy.

2) I have never seen such over acting since Jim Carey ( LOVE him by the way) in Liar Liar. The guy screams as if he isn't talking into a microphone.

3) The way he has been talked up by the announcers. Jerry and Cole have beaten the horse to death about how Cena over comes all adversary, and it really irritates me.


Now, I don't bash Cena because of his ability in the ring. His character doesn't call for anything flashy ( he is basically Hogan of the 80's).

My reasons are a lot better than ;

1) He sucks in the ring
2) He sucks outside the ring

Mine are true:
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he's just overrated

i like his outside the ring work. he really cares about the product which is good. but i hate his gimmick. i hate his over coming the odds, and i just dont find his matches entertaining. at all.

His gimmick is good for the kids, I will give him that, and the WWE is ALL about the kids. Which I do not totally disagree with. I mean if you go back to the 1980's and some of the 90's the WWF was also mainly for the kids. Wrestling, well Vince's "Sports Entertainment" has come full circle.

There are more deserving talents that deserve his spot plain and simple.

Oh, ok now I understand. This should've been the original argument.

How so? Like I said in the original post, he leads in merch sold, he has the biggest work load of any superstar, the kids love him. What talent are you specifically talking about?

Because he embodies everything that I loathe about the WWE and Professional Wrestling.

[QUOTE=SaskatchewanChamp;3156797]Nope, and here is why;

1) He was forced down our throats from the beginning. The guy seemed invincible, and quite frankly I got sick of him playing the "Over coming the odds" guy.

2) I have never seen such over acting since Jim Carey ( LOVE him by the way) in Liar Liar. The guy screams as if he isn't talking into a microphone.

3) The way he has been talked up by the announcers. Jerry and Cole have beaten the horse to death about how Cena over comes all adversary, and it really irritates me.


Now, I don't bash Cena because of his ability in the ring. His character doesn't call for anything flashy ( he is basically Hogan of the 80's).

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Nicely summed up... Basically the reasons I don't like him at all... But I will never fault a man who works his ass off for the shit he loves the most... If you can go to work everyday and love your job, then you are VERY lucky... I have been that lucky for years...

That being said, still can't stand CENA, but I have a ton of respect for his work ethic...

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Lol, we should start using the word sheep like the Smufs used the word smurf in the cartoon.


"So Supreme, did you get any sheep last night?" :naughty:

As an asset to wrestling he's one of the best. He pulls in money, crowd reactions (good or bad) he's a hard worker and has a passion for wrestling. From a product and entertainment standpoint he's irritating at times, sometimes to the point of cringe-worthy. Females like him only because they are attracted to him which is half, if not most, of his fan base and then the kids that make up the rest don't know any better and will obviously like the most popular face in wrestling at the time.

He's made to look like a machine. Tonight he got beat down and suffered 2 or 3 finishers from Nexus and a couple minutes later decks Barrett and runs out of the ring really quick like he barely wrestled at all. Wtf is that? He was in a last man standing match with Batista not too long ago and he was down until just right before the count to 10 he magically springs up like nothing ever happened.

I don't like anything about the guy in or out of the ring.

1.) As others have said he was forced down everyone's throats (and still is to this day, with or without the WWE or World Heavyweight Championship). He once held the belt for over a year (380 days, from September 17, 2006 to October 2, 2007) and likely would have held it for even longer still had it not been for the fact that Cena had suffered a torn pectoral tendon on RAW the night before.

2.) He's actually (despite the opinions of others) quite terrible on the mic, delivering a new "I'll find my way out of the latest mess unscathed, just you wait and see!" speech just about every single fucking week, and it's just old now. Add to the fact that he tailors it to be directed almost entirely towards the 12-and-under crowd by using arena-silencing puns that would make only them laugh, and it's just enough to make your ears bleed.

So there you have it...two solid reasons why I not only CAN, but SHOULD hate John Cena, as should everyone else.

I really hate Cena and can't stand him. But hear me out...

1 - As a whole, I respect Cena completely. Probably moreso than 91% of other wrestlers out there. He is probably the hardest working employee in WWE, and has continually busted his ass for the company and the fans. He is the prototype WWE employee really in the post-Attitude post-WWF era. He is safe, efficient, loyal to the company, put A LOT of wrestlers over, and Vince's crown PR jewel. Basically, he is VERY professional when it comes down to it. And good for him for being like that, everyone should.

2 - As far as people hating him for his work rate is concerned, thats absolutely retarded. No one cares about workrate except for the IWC. Cena may not be your ROH guy with 1000 moveset, but he is more of an entertainer than those guys could ever dream of. He is like Hogan, not that much of a great wrestler, but they put a lot of butts in the seat with their natural charisma. To me work rate defining a wrestler is trash.

3 - The reason why I hate Cena is because of his on screen character. It annoys me. He's too much of a babyface, the ultimate of all good guys. To the point where its unbelievable. You don't find those people in real life, it doesn't reflect how society really is. Okay fine, there are some people like that out there, and most people get annoyed with their goody two shoes personality real quick. He is the babyface we used to see in the old days, pre-Attitude era that fans just got sick of cheering for. Furthermore, it didn't help when he was being pushed down everyones throat a couple years ago going on a 1+ year long championship reign and being Super Cena. But today's Cena is a lot better than that one (which was the worst). Maybe I'm just an older guy and not the kids that WWE markets toward, who can see past all that. The character has 0 balls. He needs to turn heel.

That's all.

1. "The Champ is Still Here" used to be impactful, but now when he strips down to those generic sk8er shorts and growls his voice, makes the vains in his neck pop out, it's one of those really awkward things you see on TV from time to time.

2. When Big Show chokeslammed him off the stage, and through a spotlight, I was 90% sure he was gonna get up and hit the Attitude Adjustment for the win. That's how over pushed he was, to refer to the others, it was unrealistic and unbelievable, sure this sounds stupid when I talk about something that did happen realisticly, but all of the Cena vs Raw Roster, Cena vs so and so in triple threat, getting his ass kicked, oh wait he some how has the stength to climb the turnbuckle, botch Kelly Kelly's bulldog, toss the other person out of the ring, he than takes the time to hit the 5ks, than the Attitude Adjustment. Oh wait he has to drop the person because other dude is up, oh wait he has both of them on his shoulders somewhere. OMG half impact on both men, and the pin. THE CHAMP IS STILL HIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!

{edit: 3. Just realised how much I wrote, wtf, I hate Cena that much. That's what most people would call an eye open'r. Look at how so many people constantly hate on Cena. It's no bandwagon, we just fucking hate him}

Now I'll give summory/list of when I liked Cena and why.

1. When he wasn't limited by PG, back on Smackdown. He was fueding with JBL, and I laughed so hard at something that was obviously fake. JBL (WWE Champion) has a no-physical-contact clause. JBL out on SD for a promo. Cena's music hits and he goes and spraypaints Bradshaw's fucking limo. "JBL Sucks" I believe. He walks down to the ring with a mic and sprays FU across JBL's chest, (he's wearing a suit). Cena keeps saying "I'm not touching you" In a childlike voice. That was when I liked Cena, and if he had of kept with his punk-ass persona, I think we'd all like him, and the little kids.

The PG rating turned Cena into a mindfuck.

2. His merchandising skilz.... FUCK THAT. any little piece of shit kid can get mommy and daddy to buy his crap. While teenagers and adults, have more important shit to spend their money on (recession much). Merchandising is the only defense people have for Cena. And as someone who has one RVD shirt and one edge shirt. Maybe we should be asking the older members what shirt they would buy, if WWE gear was a priority, as if in a child's eyes.

I don't really hate Cena. It's just that...

HE NEVER LOSES!

A better question would be, why do you LIKE John Cena?

I hate Cena because he is shit in the ring (superman), shit on the mic (example: promo on Seamus last night), and he is being shoved down our throats... still.

He is the purest representation of sports entertainment. I really hate sports entertainment.

You are all lying to yourselves. You know the only reason you hate John Cena is because he could have any of your girls.

Granted, he is not the most technically sound wrestler today, but I can think of worse. Batista comes to mind. At least Cena adds to his arsenal new moves every so often. He cares about his profession, unlike most wrestlers today.

Are there most deserving talent out there? Maybe. Were there more deserving talent then Hogan in the 80's? Yep. But Vince rides his horses until they break. Its his MO. Get over your jealousy people.

It's not a matter of jealousy (come on, really?), it's a matter of taste in the product, and Cena embodies what a lot of use hate about Sports Entertainment.

I've said in the past, I have unlimited respect for Cena, I think he's a great wrestler when he wants to be and is allowed to properly go, I think he can promo well when it's called for, I think he has charisma out the ass and I think he is the absolute best PR man the WWE has ever had. He is the absolute best man, at this moment, to be at the top of and the face of the company.

It just so happens that he has a gimmick that I and many others don't like, and we're vocal about it. The gimmick also dictates his in-ring style and his promo style. It's all about Cena's gimmick, at least for me.

So you think he can wrestle well, cut good promos and have unlimited respect for him, but you hate his "gimmick"? That is the most ass-tarded thing i've ever heard.

I hated Ricky Steamboats fire breathing dragon gimmick. I hated Tito Santanas matador gimmick. I didnt boo the shit out of them everytime they hit the ring.

It all boils down to simple jealousy. He is a pretty boy, (I am secure enough in my masculinity to say that) so he cant possibly be a good wrestler. Shawn Michaels faced the same delema for a while. Pure and simple, people do not like him because he is cheered by every female in the building.

That makes sense. After all, Orton is the second most hated wrest...Oh, wait, he's not.

Please never compare Shawn Michaels and Cena again.

I'm not sure if the guy's trolling or trying to be funny, but that is a pretty awful comparison, when you consider how well liked Michaels is, even though he got the estrogen pop.

Michaels felt the same backlash that Cena is feeling when he first won the title. All of the sudden he was getting booed for no reason at all. Go back and watch matches from about october until he lost to Sid. He was booed. And why? People didnt like his gimmick? No, it was because he was a good looking guy, and fans decided they didnt like that.

The same thing is happening with Cena. He was popular for a long time, but the more women who liked him, the more men decided to boo him. You can give me every other reason in the book that you want, but the fact remains: a good looking wrestler who gets a higher profile will atract more women fans and less male fans.

The cure for this problem is to turn heal. Or to be a heal. That is why Orton is still well liked. Cause guys dig heal.

Ah, the power of magical thinking.

How so sir? Clarify your argument to the contrary.

Don't even care enough to hate or like him anymore tbh.

Honestly this is how I feel. I turned back to the HR Derby last night once he stated talking. He isn't half bad when he's serious, but hes happy and campy all the time now. You just lost the WWE Title, and you make mayo jokes. You got jumped by 7 guys, joke joke joke. If HBK got jumped by 7 guys, he wouldn't joke around, he'd forfeit the IC title.

Just assuming you're being serious with the HBK comments, guys liked HBK because they were entertained once he got in the ring, you could count on him to deliver.

Yes, but that doesnt change the fact that he was getting booed during his first title run.

Shawn is my favorite wrestler of all time, his talent is far superior to Cenas in every aspect. They are similar in the fact that they are good looking guys who got booed at one point of another because of it.

I hate Cena.I hate his face,i hate his goofy promos,I hate his stupid ring attire.i hate that he does the same damn moves in every match,almost in the same order as the last match.I hate that one of the worst in ring wrestlers i've ever seen is made out to be some submission expert.I'd rather watch Rob Terry vs. Khali then Cena vs. anyone.plus his movies suck real,real hard.almost every scene in the marine was him jumping out of exploding buildings.I hate that he is the face of WWEPG

Bigslimjj does have a point THAT WE CANNOT OVERLOOK.

The man wears jean shorts. jorts.

The woman who jumped the ring last night to meet Cena didn't hate him.

Michaels was getting boos then because he had turned into a kiss ass babyface. He was still great in the ring but a gimmick can kill someones momentum. Kiss ass stripper man is not someone most wrestling fans want to cheer.

Nobody is concerned about a wrestler coming to steal our girls. Women who didn't watch wrestling knew and loved the Rock yet he somehow kept a strong male fanbase

no girl for wrestlers to steal at the moment.cena like's hot man a$$ anyway.So Im really not worried

How is this thread managing to get worse?

Its all sub-conscious. Its the theory of inverse attraction (i'm copyrighting that). The more women like a man, the less men like said man. Its the same reason most of us hate Justin Timberlake or Leonardo DiCaprio. Our brains wont allow us to like someone, so it makes up reasons to hate them.

I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night.

Cena's pretty butt-ugly, to be honest.

Fella!

OBJECTION!
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This thread was already worse before you posted that!

decaprio is a good actor.real men dont judge dude's looks..lol.i just hate seeing cena's face every monday night.I CAN SEE John Cena...and in the immortal words of the oompaloopas "i don't like the look of it!"

Shut the fuck up, dhellova guy.

John Cena equals overrated.

So I saved 15% by switching to Geico on car insurance. :roll:

Orton for one but at least he is getting a push it doesn't help that they watered down Cena when he turned face they should have kept him as the rapper only a little more fun loving rather then sucking ass.

Sir, hostility is not called for, simply because your ape-like brain can't grasp the complexities of my argument. Calm your ass down, take a puff, and realize that I am right. You'll find that’s the case more often then not.

what aload of shit, especially in this case.

I think this thread proves my theory that all these new shitty, non-avatar having posters are really all the same person.

Well, I have an avatar now, so does that mean i'm different?

God, if I had known you would all get your panties in a knot about this, I wouldnt have said anything... well, ya, I still would have, but still. You all want to think you're the "sophisticated" wrestling fan, go ahead and think so. I'll just keep posting my oppinions and let you keep beating me up for it until I reach 10,000 posts and get to be in the club with you guys. Then i'll be cool.

Good luck with that.

Was Tyler banned?

Yeah

Well that would explain things.

The banning system really needs to be improved on this forum...

There is no system. It's just that the people who actually have the power to ban people are never in the wrestling forum and don't read the threads.

That last statement seems incomplete.

They showed a clip last night of Edge beating Cena at New Year's Revolution in 2006 and I realised that Cena has NOT FUCKING CHANGED IN ANY WAY in that period to now.

He's the same old shit, same old talk on the mic, same old saluting because he was in a movie where he played a Marine, same old defeats the odds.

They had an oppotunity when the boo's started to change his character, they didn't. They still have the oppotunity, they won't use it.

The ting that really grinds my gears about Cena? He doesn't care. He is the poster boy for the company, the big cheese, the head honcho, the main man. He could have made them change his character. Instead, he takes the easy street and stays as the sugary sweet 'champ'.

He criticises The Rock for taking off to Hollywood, but the joke is, could you see Austin or The Rock spending 5 years not changing their characters? Of course not.

But perhaps that's because he can't play a decent heel. After all, it was a rapper gimmick that got him over as a heel in the first place. That's because he's a shit actor. And that's why he'd never take off to Hollywood, because he's not good enough.

And the fella hit himself in the head with a steel chair on Raw, just goes to show - wants to be The Rock, will never be The Rock.

Please, run with it. That way professionals can laugh at you, and not just us amateurs.

What's the common denominator between all these blind Cena haters?

I mean, I'm not the biggest John Cena fan, but I still can appreciate how hard the guy works and how passionate he is for the business. I can't help but feel that people who blindly hate him and everything about him don't really understand wrestling.

guess i gots ta get me an avatar....:D

Congrats. You just hit the biggest asspull of the thread.

Go me.

I Just might sir. I just might...

Why not? It just makes sense sometimes....

I still say I should be a mod just to "fucking stupid cleanse" the wrestling forum.

I see we have a new entrant into the King of the Trolls contest.













Not you Inno.

Kane Knight for Mod: We could use a good holocaust.

lol

Workrate means shit when you can get through your entire moveset in the first 15 seconds of a match.

Ironclad logic.

Which is good, since workrate is utter bullshit dumb people pull out when they don't like someone and need a reason.

KK has a point

From answers.com

Workrate
a wrestler's use of "work" to develop a match. One's workrate is determined by his or her ability to "work" in an intelligent and productive manner. When used by critics, it is an analysis of the action in a match and the skill level exhibited. This word is solely used by fans and remains unrecognized by the workers.

That made me laugh.

Might explain a few things!

I don't hate Cena as a person or a character. Could his character be better? Sure.

With Cena they made the fatal mistake they continually seem to make when turning a popular heel into a babyface - they make them "vanilla". We cheer heels for a reason. Whatever reason that is irrelavant, but what they need to realise is that in order for us to keep cheering they have to have the guy do the same things he did as a heel now that he is a face.

With Cena his rapper persona got him over, all they had to do was change his focus from babyfaces to heels. Same attitude, same edge to the charater, diffrent focus. We've seen it time and time again in WWE (Orton's first turn, Carlito, MVP, etc).
At least they seemed to have corrected this with Orton's current babyface/tweener run.

Yes, he wa shoved down our throats. Yes, we could do without him overcoming the odds every other week (esecially given how many times he has done it, how can we be expected to believe he won't this time?). Yes, his matches/promos are now "by the number". But that all comes from higher up in the company (mostly).

I thought Cena was good in the ring when he debuted (pre-jean shorts) and we all agree his promos during his rapper gimmick were good. IMO Cena has the goods, he's just not allowed to use them.

Maybe part of that is that he's not been allowed to turn heel - he hasn't been able to show his versatility. IMO it's far more difficult to be a longterm babyface than a heel. So, we go on hoping that the heel turn will come.

Who knows, we've all heard/made the Cena - Hogan comparisions,after 10+ years as a the babyface, who'd have thought that Hogan would become a top heel?

Just another 5 years for us to wait for that epic Cena turn...

Calendar set!

Cena busts his ass. I may not enjoy watching him most of the time (he does have his moments), but I do appreciate that he does work. Cena is one of the top guys for a reason. Several, actually. He's kid friendly, but he's also a great PR face, and he's willing to work. Hard. These elements make him great for WWE in all elements except pleasing the adult base.

On a side note, anyone else think if Cena's rap album had sold better, we might see a completely different face of WWE?

Well I feel like there a lot of Stalin when it comes to banning people. My Kampf feels like Inno's best solution is to take charge of the situation.

...blitzkrieg.

I feel like the mods for gus tap (o) the trolls before they get going.

I don't hate Cena. I've been entertained by him plenty of times. Sometimes I enjoy him for the simple fact that when he wins, so many people get pissed off.

My thoughts on John Cena


There are a few reasons I do not care much for Mr. Cena and they are as follows:


1. He is a product of WWE over booking. The heavy saturation has caused WWE fans (including myself) to feel smothered and alienated.

2. WWE-PG humor. Don't get me wrong. John Cena can talk. He is one of the best mic guys in the business. But his goofy ramblings are starting to wear thin on me.


3. The Super Cena Run. While it is a thing of the past, It is always in the back of my mind and I worry that we will see that again every time he is in the title picture...which is constantly. Some time away from the title picture would def. help me get past this.



So here it is: Cena can wrestle a good main event match. Cena is great on the mic (even though currently he is way to goofy for my liking).

Problem is Cena has been shoved down our throats for far too long. He needs a break from the title scene and a slight make over.

Yes, WWE, we KNOW we are supposed to love him and realize he is THE FACE of the company....but having the same thing over and over does nothing but alienate the fan base. Not totally Cena's fault but that is why I don't care for him much currently.

I hate John Cena because this one time we were playing hide and seek and every time I found him he claimed that "I couldn't see him". Needless to say I was not amused.

I hate his smugness.

On a side not when I went to Wrestlemania in March I was quite surprised that there was a pretty large group of fans who don't like him.
Gotta give him credit, whenever I go to a WWE show in person I see more Cena shirts than anyone else.

I shall also offer Jews from concentrate.