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What are your thoughts on TNA Wrestling?
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Good wrestlers, run by morons.
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Every time they take 2 steps forward, they do something that makes them take 1 step backwards.
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Naitch says what's on my mind again!
Damn mind reader! |
They need to get their shit together and quickly.
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the gimmicks are garbage. Even with Kennedy. It just looks even worse on TNA television. Second rate mine friends
The Pope? What the fuck is that And Abyss |
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Kennedy has gone stale. It's pretty much a fact that Abyss is a shitty rip off of Kane and Mankind. |
Talented wrestlers and bad writing.
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I want TNA to do well, because it will be great for the industry. But time and time again they keep holding them selves back.
They are their own worst enemy. |
Amazing talent, can know when to do something right (IE: MCMG vs Beer Money) and they're good with fan service. But, for the most part, the people in charge fuck everything up.
They've hit a brick wall in terms of ratings, and by now they need to realize that old ideas need to be put on the back burner for fresh ideas, like MCMG vs Beer Money. Long term planning should be their goal, not shit like hotshotting great matches on TV or moving to Mondays. God Dixie is a fucking retard for listening to that suggestion. Also, they need to stop trying to compete with WWE. This has been their absolute biggest downfall since about 2005. They need to establish themselves, not base it off of someone else's work. And no, I'm not talking about the old talent/"WWE rejects", because they CAN be beneficial to the company, but only if they know how to do it and integrate them into the roster instead of going apeshit about their past and automatically putting them on a pedestal. |
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Too many announcements.
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I used to love TNA back when Christian Cage was there.
Watched it consistently from the time Christian turned heel to around just before he left and just before all the Main Event Mafia stuff. At times I definitely thought it was better than WWE. It still had its fair share of trash, but there were solid feuds and stories going all the way from the main event to the lower card. |
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he's a pimp or something, right?
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It's late WCW to the letter. Utter wank with a couple of bright points.
I honestly believe the bright spots appear to be better just because of the sheer amount of shit surrounding it. |
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They have a lot of great in ring talent. Jeff Hardy, RVD, Kurt Angle, The Pope, Abyss, AJ Styles, MCMG, Beer Money, Stevie Richards, and more. TNA's problem is behind the scenes. Their booking and writing is crap. We didn't need ANOTHER "one off" ECW show. We don't need Hogan and Flair. And dare I say it, the wrestling world no longer needs Sting. These were all guys who were signed to take TNA to "the next level" but never did. You know what TNA needs? They need to have a meeting with Spike TV, and ask if they can rip off one more thing from WWE. Do something like the Pillman/Austin bit where Pillman pulled a gun on Austin. And do it with TNA guys. Don't do it with people who were in WWE, and don't sign on big names to do it. If they want to hit that next level then they need to do what WWE isn't doing. Shock me, wow me, amaze me. Bring back personas like J.J. Dillion who was a manager, instead of having WWE diva's stand by their kayfabe lover's side. Drop the F bomb on a PPV during a "shoot". Remind me that there are still people who are not in CZW that has balls. |
I like TNA, but it's like WWE, for every good thing there's a bad.
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It has a lot of potential but the people who run it need to get people who know how to promote and run a business better.
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A fair amount of very talented wrestlers.
Maybe I'm a slave to production values, but when I turn it on it looks like a local show in a gymnasium with a bunch of people who I care very little for. And Ho Cogan just hanging around looking lost, BROTHER. So in essence, like the thread-starter said: shit |
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1) Abyss and Stevie Richards shouldn't be mentioned with those other names. 2) I do agree that the entire ECW reunion show and having to see those guys hang on to the last 2 seconds of their 15 minutes in the sun is frustrating. I'm just going to say it, Tommy Dreamer is overrated by leaps and bounds and has only been built up by revisionist history. There's a reason why he was still at ECW while guys were getting their money from WCW and the WWF and it wasn't because he loved the company so much. 3) I disagree about Flair, Hogan, Sting, Nash, etc... no longer being necessary. All those guys can play a huge part in getting over the younger guys if Russo wasn't a fucking idiot and Dixie wasn't a fucking mark more concerned with being a "cool" boss than making the smart decisions. Flair is one of the greatest on the mic while a lot of the TNA talent struggles with that. Putting him with a stable was great and they should have done it a lot sooner, although they're fucking retarded for not having Lethal go cocky heel after beating the "man" and joining with Fortune. The guys like Sting, Nash, and Jarrett can help put the younger guys over and I honestly kind of like the thing they have going with Jarrett. Hogan is the one who should fucking go. I don't need to see him three times per show. He has more value as an attraction who may show up once or twice a month for "big" announcements than as a regular character. |
They try too hard.
Dixie needs more "ruthless aggression". |
And another thing, whoever thought it would be clever to spell Fortune, Fourtune and emulate the Four Horsemen hand sign by replacing it with the universal symbol for "two in the pink and one in the stink" for a stable that has 7 fucking people should be relieved of their job immediately.
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Needs to go Attitude era 2.0 - Get Matt Hardy in on it too.
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They hired everyone from WCW late 2000, who are still trying to run it like everything was 10 years ago. Everyone is 10 years older, their "star" names don't mean shit, old guys clinging to a paycheck.
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Stop announcing expected "surprises" and never use Twitter again.
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Full of potential since even before being filled with WWE rejects or friends of Hogan, their roster was full of talented wrestlers who could have been pushed as the "future" stars. TNA also focused on tag wrestling, women wrestling, and X Division (lower card) better than the WWE most of the time.
TNA also ends up doing some stupid mistake or booking that kills any momentum they gained. Their problem is being too focused on short term fixes and horrible booking in terms of match endings and storyline flow. |
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...Paul Heyman's take on TNA and the wrestling business as a whole is very interesting:
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Apart from the constant "TNA fans are the best" and the constant "let's thank Dixie Carter for creating the world and holding back the crab people" shit, I still prefer to watch TNA over WWE, whose PG rating has just ruined it for me. Hope they don't stop things like hell in a cell...
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late 90s early 2000 wwe....with recycled story lines... there a few great wrestlers that need to jump ship.
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Five more minutes of no-selling that would make Cena go "damn man, sell a little".
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Like i said before in another thread, TNA is usually more entertaining than Smackdown, but I think WWE just gave up on Smackdown all together.
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From the PPV thread:
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it was declared a no contest because the guys were too beat up to go on. it made sense on the show.
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For the last year or two except for the final months, I don't think anybody on earth supported WCW, hence them dying. Speaking of the last year or two of WCW, that was roughly when Russo took over. And Russo is currently TNA's head writer. You comparing TNA and WCW says everything.
As for the everything in WCW pre-Russo, the fuck ups they made were countered by some absolutely blistering TV happening at the same time. TNA doesn't have that luxury. |
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Sting vs Hulk Hogan: Starrcade 1997 Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan Halloween Havoc ...And that was BEFORE Vince Russo. |
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Another fuck up, that during their entire run, the only non-established star that they attempted to build was Bill Goldberg, from 1995 - 2002, one damn new superstar was made by WCW. Insane, talk about taking advantage of weekly programming.
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The nWo for the first few months (and at certain points afterwards). Bill Goldberg. Monday Night Jericho. The slow build towards Starrcade 97/Sting in 1997 in general. The cruiserweights. DDP's push. They had a lot of excellent TV. If you thought that was bad but are enjoying TNA so much then I think the issue is more of you defending TNA at every opportunity instead of looking at it logically and therefore this is going to go nowhere.
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From a logic point of view, why wasn't Jeff declared winner? Why wasn't there some variety of referee decision as to who had won? Judges maybe? Besides, it's wrestling. When was a match ever stopped for 'cuts'? It was nothing more than a really bad storyline device. As somebody else mentioned, they are their own worst enemy. |
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I will say this, if you think / believe that WCW TV was that much better then TNA TV then I don't believe you are looking at it logically. |
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why would jeff be declared the winner? what could the referee say to sway a decision one way or another? where are these judges coming from? c'mon man. |
I said WCW had their faults up there ^ I also explained why, despite those faults, the reasons I believe WCW (pre-Russo) was still comfortably a better show. If you're telling me that you think TNA now and WCW's glory days are comparable then there really isn't anything else to discuss.
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Oh God someone had to open up a whole thread for this?
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...My thoughts on TNA:
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http://a3.vox.com/6a00d4142efd3f3c7f...2aab3c7f-500pi |
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what is the purpose of watching wrestling if it's not to be entertained? it's not an actual sport. i thought the point was to just to enjoy the show. if you look too far into anything you're gonna find inaccuracies in it. i don't think that bischoff calling the match after saying there had to be a winner can be compared to a storyline like al snow's. i think what you find wrong about that angle is that it was pretty stupid. what's so stupid about this angle? god's honest truth, and i know it won't happen, i'd rather see angle, hardy and anderson in a three way for the title. anderson against either one of those guys means absolutely nothing to me, especially after the match hardy and angle had tonight (just because there's no way he'd have a match even close to that with angle). i know it wasn't an hbk wrestlemania caliber match, but considering hardy was in the match i thought it was awesome. but i guess that's off topic. |
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You still haven't proven that you know what the fuck you are talking about.
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You haven't proven that I don't what I am talking about. And since I said until 2002 and did not mention a month, how did I add almost 2 years? Why wouldn't it of been 1 year? When you subtract 2001 from 2002 doesn't it equal 1? |
i think some of you are romanticizing a bit too much about WCW... TNA today vs WCW back then is still a better product. as random as TNA can seem at times, it's nothing compared to the randomness WCW threw at us every week.
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I haven't read all the posts but just in case it hasn't been said... TNA has a lot of problems, they have inconsistant and sometimes bafflingly stupid booking sometimes WWE has a lot of problems, they're shows lack punch any more and are too often snooze enducing with a few flashes of old brilliance tossed in to keep people awake. Both promotions have problems but TNA's are amplified because they're a struggling upstart promotion (despite being around for over 8 years). So when they make bad decisions they seem a lot worse than they really are because they don't have 70 years of tradition to lean back on like the WWE. They also don't have a marketing machine to lean back on like the WWE. They also don't have brand identity to lean back on. TNA's too busy trying to make an impact to actually make an impact. Here's analogy... TNA is like the Rocky Balboa in the movie Rocky. Rocky just wants one shot to go the distance with the Champion Apollo Creed (WWE). Except in this analogy Rocky decides to step in the ring with Apollo Creed in the first 30 minutes of the movie. What would have happened if Rocky were to step in the ring with Apollo Creed in the first 30 minutes of that movie? He would have gotten creamed. That's why instead Rocky trained with Mickey in a wonderful montage to the song "Getting Strong Now." After that montage he was able to go the distance with the champ. TNA refuses to go through the montage... It's all about the montage. In all seriousness TNA is so hell bent on making a big splash that they don't realize that they don't need big aquisitions are big moves to Monday night or any of that. All they need, they already have. If they just took the time to really evaluate what they have, and what they want to become, and move slow to that goal, they could be a real success. Right now they're entertaining (to me) but they could be really good if they just put in the time to re-evaluate their goals and re-evaluate who they are and who they want to be. I'm not going to get into specifics but their are certain wrestlers that didn't wrestle on the PPV that whould have been and many that shouldn't have been on the PPV that were. But just because TNA could be great doesn't mean that don't do good things now. I think I get the hate that is spewed their direction though... It's frustration. THe people that are hating on TNA see how good it could be and to see them floundering like this is frustrating... Lucky for me I'm easily amused and I can enjoy TNA for what it is rather than be frustrated by what it could be but isn't. |
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Hogan as world champ, limos, & beat downs. |
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LMAO! U MAD! So to cheer you up I gave you what you wanted! http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...-u-mad-tho.jpg |
I am not mad, but I am in awe of your utter fucking stupidity.
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We are very close friends...in the sense that you keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
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I've heard it all now. A "username enemy". |
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You are growing on me. |
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It was just bad, shitty, awful booking, worse than a Dusty finish, the crowd should have been booing instead they were counting down I mean come on., show some pride in your product fans, expect more don't just lap that shit up, you'll never get a better smarter product if you just blindly cheer every asinine twist TNA throws at ya. Seriously,the crowd through out the event was probably one of the lames crowds I've ever seen |
:/ that crowd was actually pretty hot... Lots of "TNA" chants, "that was awesome," etc.
The reason they didn't announce that the match had a twenty minute time limit was probably because of the whole Somoa Joe thing a few weeks ago. And I believe that in TNA all matches have some time limit, though it's not announced. I agree that they should announce it before every match and maybe they should go back to having a clock on the screen... but I think that that would make us always think that time is going to be a factor, and although that adds an interesting element I think it would also take something away from the match. Angle's cut didn't really look like nothing to me... It looked like he was laying in a pool of it when Hardy had the Boston crab on him. To each his own I guess. Bischoff announced that the match had to have a winner before Angle had the cut, before the two were too exhausted to go on. Had Bischoff said that the match was going to be a draw and then a few minutes later added ten minutes to the clock, or something of that nature, then it would be stupid. But he didn't. It made perfect sense what they did with that match. I don't see how it was awful booking. We're talking about it aren't we? It was as interesting finish. What would WWE had done? Had both men be counted out and then we'd find out what they're gonna do about it the following night on Raw via an email. Yeah.. it could be way worse! lol A lot of you guys seem to hate TNA just in general. Jeez, just stop watching it then. If you really cannot appreciate what they're doing, then don't watch it. ROH is on weekly, and WWE has plenty of other shows to keep you entertained. |
The match was great. I saw what they tried to do with the ankle lock spots and the crowd was hot. I enjoyed it for the most part. In general, TNA has better matches than any other promotion when we're not forced to watch the ECW retreads or Nash, Jarrett, Hogan, etc...
However, the ending was SHIT and just because you're talking about the SHIT doesn't take away from the fact that it's still SHIT. First of all, they spent weeks hyping the importance of this tournament in determining "who can take RVD's spot, guide the company to the top, blah blah blah" so why the fuck would you turn around and give such an important match 20 minutes? On a PPV? A crowd can halfway expect to see a time limit draw on television or at a house show, so it isn't necessary to announce it beforehand. Especially when the match is of little significance to a long term storyline. In this case, if there's a 20 minute time limit it would make more sense to inform the crowd of that beforehand so they aren't like what the fuck when all of a sudden the co- main event is cut off due to going over the time limit. Furthermore, if you really had a hard on for a stupid ass idea like a time limit for the co- main event in a tournament of such "great importance," wouldn't it make more sense to put that match on last and maybe go to the time limit finish ten minutes early or purchase 15 minutes extra PPV time.? That way you could at least game the live crowd and marks for some cheap pops. Example: "Ladies and gentlemen, due to pay per view time limit restraints, this match is officially a draw." Then have Dixie (since she can't keep her ass off t.v. now) say something like "We need this to have a winner blah blah blah, I'm buying extra time." That way the crowd cheers instead of saying "What the fuck?" Hell, if you did it like that, the blood angle would have even made more sense. |
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As for what you could do instead oh I don't know a double pin on a german suplex works just as well, hell if Bischoff wants to get involved have him restart only for another double pin to occur, it's not great but it's a lot better than what happened. Time limit draws should never ever happen on PPV, ever. Period. And for the record having people talking about what happened does not mean it was a great thing. IE Finger poke of Doom. |
TNA is amazing. The best wrestling I've seen in years. It's a shame that people fear change and get mad when TNA does their booking a little differently than WWE.
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You're not a real TNA fan. Please change your name, you fake.
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I think TNA&USA#1 is a little crazy.
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Crazy about great wrestling! :rofl:
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I like TNA too but you can't say their matches aren't too short.
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