K, dont give me crap anymore for saying Daniel Bryan isnt "over"
 

You could hear crickets chirp during his entrance and John Morrison's pop dwarfed his.

That's what happens when they don't book you in any substantial storylines for 5 months, you shit head.

What storyline can u book him in? He's boring as hell. Christ, the have to put the Bellas with him to draw any interest.

You're a tool.

Like it is pretty sad that this gives you pleasure.

It's a real shame that the arena had that cricket infestation, and it's in poor taste for you to bring it up.

So when are you going to post those pictures of The Beautiful People?

I agree w/ Gertner, hes really f'kin boring. Moreso than Diva matches.

Poor taste my ass. I'm calling the CDC on that place. An entertainment venue with an audible pest infestation? Unacceptable in 1911, let alone 2011!!!

There were no crickets in my HDTV. Daniel Bryan = In ring specialist.I bet he's in the rumble for 30 plus minutes.

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The show must go on!!! :mad:

The guy is boring, but he can put on great matches.... A modern-day Chris Benoit or Bret Hart

and therefore isn't boring...


This part of the post isn't directed at Nicky Fives:

Just because a guy isn't an annoying loudmouth like Ken Anderson, or does lame jokes like HHH, it doesn't mean he doesn't have it or has no charisma (the most misunderstood word on these boards)

and you just have to listen to the reactions he had when he was actually booked in feuds.

but yeah, troll etc...

I'm not trolling at all. I'm just pointing this out because people claims he's getting good reactions when he's not. Stop making excuses "he's not in a good feud". There's plenty of wrestlers in the WWE who get better reactions and they aren't in a feud whatsoever. He's not interesting at all.

I'm going to be sorry for this, but I am inclined to agree with Gertner here. However, he has put on match of the night quality matches the last couple Raws, not to mention the openers on the last PPVs. If he can keep putting matches like that on, people will eventually start noticing and get behind him.

He was in the Nexus feud, everybody gets reactions when paired with Cena. When he's away from Cena he gets nothing. The WWE has paired him with the Bellas and made Cole go all out heel against him and he's still not getting good pops. Once he loses his U.S title he'll be on Superstars every week because he has no personality and is boring. Submission, technical wrestling is boring to 95% of the fans including me.

Triple H's jokes are fucking hilarious.

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ALL HAIL THE KING OF KINGS!

I know the IWC marks will hate on me too, but I agree about Bryan not being over at all. With that said, I don't really believe it's his fault.

Perhaps it could even be punishment for his prior transgressions that led him to being cut, but has he been in ANY feud since he's been back? Even when he won the belt from the Miz, it was only done to elevate the Miz to a main event scene.

How can someone get over when he's only on two times a month and is being used more as C- graded comic relief with the Bellas half the time? The guy is being booked as a complete dork.

Why did Chris Benoit get over? Because he had the "take no prisoner, I don't need to be using catch phrases to get over" personality and WCW and WWE let him run with it. Eventually, he was so "anti-Rock" that he got over. They hardly ever booked him to be a geek needing to put two ladies on him in some lame attempt to get him over.

Continuing with the Benoit reference, how much good would it do for BOTH men if Morrison and Bryan had a Best of Seven type series for the US Title ala Benoit and Booker T which did a lot to elevate BOTH of them?

It's a problem the WWE has with Bryan and the Raw scene as well. You have all these great main event heels but they have next to none to be involved in mid-card feuds.

Bryan CAN get over, but they need to put him in a week in, week out feud(s). Have David Otunga get a minor push even against Bryan. Have Ted Dibiase be made to actually be credible. Turn Mark Henry heel against him. Do SOMETHING.

Personally, I'd LOVE to see the Best of Seven face vs face idea with Morrison. I truly believe it would do both of them good to fight each other on six straight Raws being given 5-15 minutes each time and have their deciding match be a ladder match at Wrestlemania.

Sorry Mr. Steele, it was said in the heat of the moment!

I don't know what to say to someone that things Daniel Bryan is "boring."

I generally chalk this up to the "old difference of opinion" cliche but no, I refuse to this time.

If you think Daniel Bryan is boring than you're not really a wrestling fan. Sure you can say "Daniel Bryan is more boring than wrestler x" or "I think x wrestlers are more entertaining that Daniel Bryan." Those both make sense. But to say Daniel Bryan is flat out boring is just ludicris if you're a wrestling fan.

My assumption is people that say he's boring are fans that don't like indy wrestling for their often annoying condecending fans. Thus they are looking for any reason to discredit any indy wrestlers and the easiest way to discredit indy wrestlers is to call them boring. Daniel Bryan gets the bulk of such critisms because he was the biggest indy star of the last couple of years so indy haters think by putting him down they put down independent wrestling as a whole.

Gertner is just a tool who would rather suck Hulk Hogan's dick than look for any substance in what he's watching.

Also I don't even watch Indy Wrestling, but Daniel Bryan is a great, great talent. And got over well before working with Cena. They don't book him to be over, thus he is not over, but give him 5 minutes in the ring, and the fans will be cheering. Simple as that.

I thought Heyman left? That he was too old to argue wrestling on the internet?

He's actually a pretty funny guy if you watch some of the videos on youtube

Danielson is actually really good on the mic given... you know mic time.

He's a great indy wrestler. Indy wrestling doesn't translate to WWE wrestling. Nobody wants to see him mat wrestle for 15 minutes.

What angle is JTG in? He gets much louder reactions than Daniel Bryan.

I'd rather see mat wrestling from the indys than spot monkeys from the indys.

Gertner loves the heel heat

It's cheap heat though, it's like he's insulting the local sports franchise.

Daniel Bryan knows how to work in the ring like a 25 year pro. Sure he has to learn more about the WWE style but so does everybody in their first year. I honestly feel that Vince thinks of Bryan as a HBK or 123 Kid type who can work a good match with anybody and show lesser workers some things to enhance their abilities.

Bryan has the ability to come out to crickets chirping and four minutes later have the crowd in the palm of his hand. He did it in his first WWE match on Velocity with John Cena and he has done it for any other match he has had on Raw that was given over two minutes.

Everybody takes a year or two to really find themselves, and if they don't they get cut. Bryan is no different than John Cena, or Randy Orton, or Edge... it's going to take some time before we/he finds his most marketable and relateable personality.

Micheal Cole or Miz is that you? Daniel Bryan is one of the best things about WWE. He had the match of the year in 2010 with Dolph Ziggler and he is having a solid US title run. I predict he'll have a strong showing in the Rumble and a decent year in 2011.

Not if he's getting the reactions that he's been getting lately. Your typicall WWE fan ( young kids and their parents) don't care about technical mat wrestling. I usually only watch if the Leafs aren't playing or if another of my teams aren't playing and when I watch Bryan I don't care. I see him doing the Dean Malenko gimmick where they made him a ladies man and that didn't work either. Please don't compare him to Edge or Cena, because those two actually have natural charisma and personality.

And if Bryan is such a good wrestler than why did he just lose to Morrison?

JTG is an angle where he wrestles Tyler Reks like three times a month. Pretty intense stuff.

In this thread, 90% of posters don't come across as rational or intelligent.

STAT OF THE DAY

Daniel Bryan (I have to get in the habit of calling him this instead of Bryan Danielson) doesn't have the type of natural chrisma of a John Cena or Edge... I definitely agree with that statement by Gertner. He's 100% right. Where his he is wrong is compairing him to Dean Malenko. Daniel Bryan has more chrisma and a more exciting in ring style than Dean Malenko ever had. Bryan has a much more high flying approach to wrestling than Dan ever did, a style that will get the fans cheering for him, and like has been stated before already has gotten fans cheering for him. Bryan had a modest reaction when he came out last night but 2 minutes into his match he had the crowd cheering. Sure that was equally cheers for Morrison, but he also got his own share of the interest.

Daniel Bryan is like a more charismatic version of Chris Benoit (that may not be saying much). Bryan has good mic skills, no one is ever going to mistaken him for The Miz or Edge but he is better than Chris Benoit. Daniel Bryan will be much like Benoit is the fact that he will get over with the fans with his wrestling, and its already starting. As people have said people don't get reactions when they're not in any kind of storyline. During his feud with The Miz he got huge reactions. During NXT he got huge reactions. During the first few minutes of the Summer Slam main event the whole crowd was chanting "Daniel Bryan."

I agree. Some of these posters need to step their games up.

It seemed like Bryan was more over before they stuck the Bella twins on him. Before he was an underdog indy star trying to make it in the majors. I could work with that. It was a good hook. Now he's a nerd who lucked into 2 hot women as his valets. And that's actually pretty boring.

K, Benoit got over with a different kind of "fan". Those fans during that era have basically moved on to MMA. Bryan mat wrestling isn't going to get over with little kids and their parents that they forced to bring them to the event.

I have an eleven year old cousin who I always invite over for PPVs, and he likes Daniel Bryan. Just saying.

Your a leaf fan therefore your opinion should be null in void :P. But in all seriousness i find that people generally find him really boring or really good.Me im in the group that thinks hes awesome.

Daniel Bryan is not over, and he absolutely is boring out of the ring. But that's how he's booked.

Gertner's right. He's not what WWE fans want. They need the character to connect to. Without a decent character, fans WILL NOT get behind him unless he oozes charisma, which he doesn't. I think he has enough to get by with the right booking, but right now he has no character past geek who can go in the ring. The WWE is failing in terms of giving him a gimmick fans can get behind.

In terms of his in-ring work, I have to disagree with Gertner, claiming he's all mat-based and that his style doesn't work in WWE. His matches with Dolph were awesome, as was the triple threat he was in a few months ago. I'm not saying that as an indy fan or even internet fan. They were exciting matches. WWE.com put his match with Dolph at #2. His style can mesh well with almost anyone in the company. The problem is that his matches do require longer durations than what he's getting to get over SOLELY on the ring work. If he actually got some time (like in the Dolph matches) the fans could and DO get into the matches. But the fact is that WWE thrives on shorter matches on the undercard, until (if) Danielson is main eventing, he can't get over on his ring work alone.

I don't get why Bryan has to be "accessible" or "fun." Doesn't make sense to me. And it's obvious he can't do it. It's not his thing. I doubt Taker could pull off "fun" or "ladies man" either.

Michelle McCool would like a word with you.

Would it be about how I said Taker is not a ladies man and thus can stay tied down to one woman?

Because "thank you" is two words, Thrilla.

I enjoy Daniel Bryan. I just hope they don't have Steve Austin come out and call him 'boring' before turning him into a dancing buffoon.

I personally blame his T-Shirt. Boring shirt = Not getting over.

She wants to talk about how you said he's not fun, and the word is "erroneous".

On a more serious note, the thing I love about Daniel Bryan is he looks like he's always having fun. If they booked him on Raw like they did NXT he'd have no problem getting over. Just let him be himself :y:

There's one shimmer of hope in his current gimmick, and that's, down the line, he can cut a promo about how he isn't "this guy" and is sick of pandering to the crowd, trying to be something they want, because that's not what he is.

And that's the easiest way to get him into a gimmick where he's all business and you have him rip through the midcard without remorse. But that wouldn't be until they're ready to give him that test run to see if he can really get over. I definitely see his current gimmick as a way for him to "pay dues".

My daughter is 7 and she loves him. She'd rather watch a Daniel Bryan match than a Rey Mysterio match and aren't all the kids meant to love him?

Benoit would be over today. It all comes down to his character and push. If he was the ruthless bastard who's all business in the ring, even with the current fan base, he'd be over. If he was working Superstars or midcard feuds on SmackDown! with a ladies man gimmick, he wouldn't be.

Shit wrestlers who are booked well can get over and great wrestlers who are booked bad can't. That's proof that, in WWE, it's all about character and the booking. And I know I'm repeating myself, but it really is what it comes down to.

I agree with Supreme that the Bella Twin angle is stupid. They just need to make him somewhere between Lance Storm and Taz in terms of him hitting the ring and destroying the opponent. I think this is a case of the writers not getting Daniel Bryan more than it is a case of Bryan not getting himself over.

I really love how people associate calling Daniel Bryan boring as an indictment on Independent Wrestling. Look I don't know much about the IWC, and honestly, I don't really care about it.

I like guys like Bryan, Benoit, Malenko etc. I also believe the guy is a good wrestler who has the ability to have some great matches. But the fact is the guy isn't over at all right now.

Now does that mean I'm saying Independent wrestling stinks? Ummm no? I really don't know where the connection is at all to be quite honest.

The fact remains though you have a good wrestler who has shown to have little to no mic ability. Is that because WWE doesn't give him time? Or is it because he lacks the ability. Whatever the case, he's pretty much been a mute his entire time.

Some wrestlers do well without saying hardly anything. But to compensate, they're usually booked as badasses or some other niche. Jeff Hardy hardly spoke for years but got over because of great matches. Edge and Christian even did pre-comedians.

Bryan however is not catching on. Again is it his fault that they writers haven't booked him into a meaningful feud....EVER?! Maybe not. But perhaps they realize right now the guy isn't ratings gold and therefore put him on live tv only 2-3 times per month.

Is it his fault the writers have booked them the way they are right now? Maybe not. But whatever their reasoning, they felt that to get a reaction, they had to put two hot babes around his arms, so perhaps they're concerned he couldn't get over.


I want the guy to succeed and I wish they'd just have him go and kick some ass. It seems lately, that a valet = kiss of death for wrestlers. Dibiase, R-Truth, Bryan, etc. have seemed to all have had their momentum stunted since they were slapped with a woman.

In the end though, for those IWC obssesers, take a minute and realize knocking Bryan isn't necessarily knocking your precious circuit. There might be some that want to knock how the guy has been booked in the WWE, or the fact that this PARTICULAR IWC guy might not have the "it" factor the WWE desires today.

One of the biggest myths in the wrestling industry is that Daniel Bryan doesn't have mic skills.

What you're saying might hold some weight if Gertner wasn't notorious for shitting on indy wrestling in the past. He's a habitual shit disturber.

I'm hoping they keep Bateman Bryan. Bryan plays the straight man to Bateman's bizarre personality really well.

Anyway, yeah, DB isn't insanely over with the crowd, but at the same time, he's not doing anything. The ladies man gimmick will go nowhere. I don't think the crowd is going to pick up on the goofy nerd gimmick either.


However, Daniel Bryan is insanely far from boring in the ring. I don't understand, nor will I ever understand that complaint. If you don't like wrestling, don't watch wrestling. Yeah, me does more chain wrestling and submissions than a lot of other wrestlers, but submissions and chain wrestling are a key part of wrestling.

With that said, if you want to talk about boring, I HATED Austin's ring work post neck injury. Most of his matches were just him throwing punches and kicks, and from a wrestling standpoint, it was boring as hell.

Similarly, it doesn't help when you have a commentator BURYING you on camera the whole time you're out there. A commentator that's not even doing it to put over the heel, but to put HIMSELF over.

Just saying...

Nah, he's putting over Bryan by burying him. Michael Cole is supposed to be a douche. When a douche puts you down, people start to like you by proxy. This sort of thing has been going on for years. If you don't like Cole, fine, but don't blame him for anything being discussed here.

I was in no way shitting on indy wrestling. All I was saying regarding indy is that it's a different style than the WWE. And Supreme, the reason why Taker isn't doing a ladies man ginmick is because he got his character over. His mic skills are not great. Nobody is going to take a midget cutting a series promo seriously. He's basically reached his peak in my opinion. He'll have good matches but he's just not that interesting to the casual fan. I respect his wrestling ability, I just can't see him moving past this point. He doesn't have the "it" factor. Regarding Benoit, towards the end of his career he wasn't nearly as over as he was. He'd get a pop when his music came on, the crowd would go dead during the match, and then pop during the crossface. That's about it.

His promos on NXT when he went apeshit on Michael Cole were some of the best in recent history, imo.

yep, totally wrong gimmick and storyline for him.

I think he was one of the top babyfaces in there before this crappy angle. He was cutting pretty good promos when he was feuding with Miz.

Another problem is he is constantly being put down on TV to the audience and not really doing anything to counter it. So after a while, the audience stops caring.

He's being put down by MICHAEL COLE. Other announcers give him props.

Gertner must think his opinion is universally agreed upon :rofl::lol:

Others like him, you don't. Just deal with it.... what's the point of dragging it further than that?

I think the point is that this is a discussion board, so he's discussing his opinion. He's not hurting anybody, unless one of you is Daniel Bryan.

It's still real to me, dammit!

ugh, come on. I'm at my limit on posts per night. I was going to put in parentheses that I know Cole is the one making the comments, but it doesn't matter. People are going to start believing it if it's being said over and over and over, especially now that Bryant is pretty much floundering. Before he was actually making an impact, which sort of made Cole eat his comments. Now Cole's comments are really not that far off. He is pretty much a loser right now.

OK, well even if we throw all that out the window, the fact of the matter is that Bryan and Cole were feuding not very long ago, and it never got resolved. Is Cole supposed to just not shit on him anymore? It's continuity at least.

A similar conversation arose awhile back about Big Show. Since he debuted in WCW, and likewise in WWE, he had been booked to be "the new Andre". I remember someone referred to him having "the charisma of a boot." Then, he showed up on that SNL with The Rock and showed he could be fuckin' funny if given half a chance to be. That opened the door for him to portray something other than the big monster giant.

Having Bryan silently trapsing around with his arm-charms who are wagering over what seems to be his virginity (doubtful: I personally think they're going to keep that wordplay up, then reveal it to mean something like "the first one to get him to eat meat") is doing nothing for him, especially when we've already seen what kind of promos he can cut when given the opportunity. He can't do much with what he has right now short of put on top-notch matches until some sort of meaningful angle and/or heel turn.

I don't watch RAW frequently, but I recently saw an edition of Superstars where Daniel Bryan got a more positive reaction than Mark Henry, and Henry is pretty over. I'm calling bullshit on Bryan not being over. He may not be getting monster pops, but I think a lot of that is his position and the angles he is involved in.

Daniel Bryan is over, but he isn't a household name by any means. He is more over than MCMG and Beer Money combined.

has Raw been to any Smart Mark towns recently? (by "Smart Mark" towns, I mean like ROH Territory.)

That can help with perception, as well.

Bryan is the little tough,nerdy,vegan,hardworking all american guy. He's like "Chuck" on the show "Chuck". Nerdy and goofy but knows how to beat people down,and somehow gets the hot girls. I like the gimmick, and if you people had forgotten...he's still the U.S. Champ. Kids like him because he's a "Nice guy". Smartmarks like him because he can go better then most. Also if they wanted to really push him all they had to do was juice up the Michael Cole feud. That fight between them was replayed like a million times. The hate on the guy is unjust.

I know! The interactions with Cole were great but no one seems to remember.

That and there are a number of promos he cut in ROH that were pretty damn good (ie most of his promos when he was the heel ROH Champion and is promo before the Man Up PPV where he talked about how his family wanted him to retire).

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Hes not over what about Fatal Four Way? He wasn't even in the fucking league and got bigger pops than anybody wrestling that night.

To be fair that PPV was in Long Island which is big time smark territory.

He's also on smackdown isn't he? Where the noise is piped in. You're a tool.

This.

I haven't watched too much ROH but I remember a promo he did as champion where he showed up at a CZW show during the ROH vs CZW feud and it was great.

Watch Superstars and tell me that again. Plus, live reports say that he gets loud pops. Dick. Watch Morrison vs Bryan again and tell me how "over" he is. It wasn't even close to Morrison.

He shouldn't be getting bigger pops than Morrison because Morrison is in the middle of a sustained push to groom him for the main event.

He should be getting more than he's been getting.

Superstars gets piped in sounds too. It's on delay from either Monday (Raw) or Tuesday (Smackdown.)

If JTG was really over he'd be on WWE PPV or Monday Night Raw. He couldn't win the tag team titles when he was basically the only real tag team with Shad.