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Old 01-18-2011, 11:34 AM   #1
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K, dont give me crap anymore for saying Daniel Bryan isnt "over"
You could hear crickets chirp during his entrance and John Morrison's pop dwarfed his.
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:45 AM   #2
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That's what happens when they don't book you in any substantial storylines for 5 months, you shit head.
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:51 AM   #3
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What storyline can u book him in? He's boring as hell. Christ, the have to put the Bellas with him to draw any interest.
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:52 AM   #5
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Like it is pretty sad that this gives you pleasure.
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:54 AM   #6
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It's a real shame that the arena had that cricket infestation, and it's in poor taste for you to bring it up.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:27 PM   #7
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:28 PM   #8
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I agree w/ Gertner, hes really f'kin boring. Moreso than Diva matches.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:28 PM   #9
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It's a real shame that the arena had that cricket infestation, and it's in poor taste for you to bring it up.
Poor taste my ass. I'm calling the CDC on that place. An entertainment venue with an audible pest infestation? Unacceptable in 1911, let alone 2011!!!
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:30 PM   #10
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:33 PM   #11
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There were no crickets in my HDTV. Daniel Bryan = In ring specialist.I bet he's in the rumble for 30 plus minutes.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:34 PM   #12
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Poor taste my ass. I'm calling the CDC on that place. An entertainment venue with an audible pest infestation? Unacceptable in 1911, let alone 2011!!!
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:36 PM   #14
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The guy is boring, but he can put on great matches.... A modern-day Chris Benoit or Bret Hart
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:00 PM   #15
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The guy is boring, but he can put on great matches.... A modern-day Chris Benoit or Bret Hart
and therefore isn't boring...


This part of the post isn't directed at Nicky Fives:

Just because a guy isn't an annoying loudmouth like Ken Anderson, or does lame jokes like HHH, it doesn't mean he doesn't have it or has no charisma (the most misunderstood word on these boards)

and you just have to listen to the reactions he had when he was actually booked in feuds.

but yeah, troll etc...
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:14 PM   #16
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I'm not trolling at all. I'm just pointing this out because people claims he's getting good reactions when he's not. Stop making excuses "he's not in a good feud". There's plenty of wrestlers in the WWE who get better reactions and they aren't in a feud whatsoever. He's not interesting at all.
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:19 PM   #17
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:34 PM   #18
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I'm going to be sorry for this, but I am inclined to agree with Gertner here. However, he has put on match of the night quality matches the last couple Raws, not to mention the openers on the last PPVs. If he can keep putting matches like that on, people will eventually start noticing and get behind him.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:18 PM   #20
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He was in the Nexus feud, everybody gets reactions when paired with Cena. When he's away from Cena he gets nothing. The WWE has paired him with the Bellas and made Cole go all out heel against him and he's still not getting good pops. Once he loses his U.S title he'll be on Superstars every week because he has no personality and is boring. Submission, technical wrestling is boring to 95% of the fans including me.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:25 PM   #21
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and therefore isn't boring...


This part of the post isn't directed at Nicky Fives:

Just because a guy isn't an annoying loudmouth like Ken Anderson, or does lame jokes like HHH, it doesn't mean he doesn't have it or has no charisma (the most misunderstood word on these boards)
Triple H's jokes are fucking hilarious.









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Old 01-18-2011, 02:41 PM   #22
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I know the IWC marks will hate on me too, but I agree about Bryan not being over at all. With that said, I don't really believe it's his fault.

Perhaps it could even be punishment for his prior transgressions that led him to being cut, but has he been in ANY feud since he's been back? Even when he won the belt from the Miz, it was only done to elevate the Miz to a main event scene.

How can someone get over when he's only on two times a month and is being used more as C- graded comic relief with the Bellas half the time? The guy is being booked as a complete dork.

Why did Chris Benoit get over? Because he had the "take no prisoner, I don't need to be using catch phrases to get over" personality and WCW and WWE let him run with it. Eventually, he was so "anti-Rock" that he got over. They hardly ever booked him to be a geek needing to put two ladies on him in some lame attempt to get him over.

Continuing with the Benoit reference, how much good would it do for BOTH men if Morrison and Bryan had a Best of Seven type series for the US Title ala Benoit and Booker T which did a lot to elevate BOTH of them?

It's a problem the WWE has with Bryan and the Raw scene as well. You have all these great main event heels but they have next to none to be involved in mid-card feuds.

Bryan CAN get over, but they need to put him in a week in, week out feud(s). Have David Otunga get a minor push even against Bryan. Have Ted Dibiase be made to actually be credible. Turn Mark Henry heel against him. Do SOMETHING.

Personally, I'd LOVE to see the Best of Seven face vs face idea with Morrison. I truly believe it would do both of them good to fight each other on six straight Raws being given 5-15 minutes each time and have their deciding match be a ladder match at Wrestlemania.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:53 PM   #23
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:54 PM   #24
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I don't know what to say to someone that things Daniel Bryan is "boring."

I generally chalk this up to the "old difference of opinion" cliche but no, I refuse to this time.

If you think Daniel Bryan is boring than you're not really a wrestling fan. Sure you can say "Daniel Bryan is more boring than wrestler x" or "I think x wrestlers are more entertaining that Daniel Bryan." Those both make sense. But to say Daniel Bryan is flat out boring is just ludicris if you're a wrestling fan.

My assumption is people that say he's boring are fans that don't like indy wrestling for their often annoying condecending fans. Thus they are looking for any reason to discredit any indy wrestlers and the easiest way to discredit indy wrestlers is to call them boring. Daniel Bryan gets the bulk of such critisms because he was the biggest indy star of the last couple of years so indy haters think by putting him down they put down independent wrestling as a whole.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:57 PM   #25
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Gertner is just a tool who would rather suck Hulk Hogan's dick than look for any substance in what he's watching.

Also I don't even watch Indy Wrestling, but Daniel Bryan is a great, great talent. And got over well before working with Cena. They don't book him to be over, thus he is not over, but give him 5 minutes in the ring, and the fans will be cheering. Simple as that.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:59 PM   #26
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Just because a guy isn't an annoying loudmouth like Ken Anderson, or does lame jokes like HHH, it doesn't mean he doesn't have it or has no charisma (the most misunderstood word on these boards.
He's actually a pretty funny guy if you watch some of the videos on youtube
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Danielson is actually really good on the mic given... you know mic time.
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Old 01-18-2011, 03:20 PM   #29
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He's a great indy wrestler. Indy wrestling doesn't translate to WWE wrestling. Nobody wants to see him mat wrestle for 15 minutes.
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Old 01-18-2011, 03:20 PM   #30
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What angle is JTG in? He gets much louder reactions than Daniel Bryan.
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:11 PM   #33
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Gertner loves the heel heat
It's cheap heat though, it's like he's insulting the local sports franchise.
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Daniel Bryan knows how to work in the ring like a 25 year pro. Sure he has to learn more about the WWE style but so does everybody in their first year. I honestly feel that Vince thinks of Bryan as a HBK or 123 Kid type who can work a good match with anybody and show lesser workers some things to enhance their abilities.

Bryan has the ability to come out to crickets chirping and four minutes later have the crowd in the palm of his hand. He did it in his first WWE match on Velocity with John Cena and he has done it for any other match he has had on Raw that was given over two minutes.

Everybody takes a year or two to really find themselves, and if they don't they get cut. Bryan is no different than John Cena, or Randy Orton, or Edge... it's going to take some time before we/he finds his most marketable and relateable personality.
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Micheal Cole or Miz is that you? Daniel Bryan is one of the best things about WWE. He had the match of the year in 2010 with Dolph Ziggler and he is having a solid US title run. I predict he'll have a strong showing in the Rumble and a decent year in 2011.
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:26 PM   #36
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Not if he's getting the reactions that he's been getting lately. Your typicall WWE fan ( young kids and their parents) don't care about technical mat wrestling. I usually only watch if the Leafs aren't playing or if another of my teams aren't playing and when I watch Bryan I don't care. I see him doing the Dean Malenko gimmick where they made him a ladies man and that didn't work either. Please don't compare him to Edge or Cena, because those two actually have natural charisma and personality.
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:38 PM   #37
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And if Bryan is such a good wrestler than why did he just lose to Morrison?
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:40 PM   #38
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What angle is JTG in? He gets much louder reactions than Daniel Bryan.
JTG is an angle where he wrestles Tyler Reks like three times a month. Pretty intense stuff.
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Daniel Bryan (I have to get in the habit of calling him this instead of Bryan Danielson) doesn't have the type of natural chrisma of a John Cena or Edge... I definitely agree with that statement by Gertner. He's 100% right. Where his he is wrong is compairing him to Dean Malenko. Daniel Bryan has more chrisma and a more exciting in ring style than Dean Malenko ever had. Bryan has a much more high flying approach to wrestling than Dan ever did, a style that will get the fans cheering for him, and like has been stated before already has gotten fans cheering for him. Bryan had a modest reaction when he came out last night but 2 minutes into his match he had the crowd cheering. Sure that was equally cheers for Morrison, but he also got his own share of the interest.

Daniel Bryan is like a more charismatic version of Chris Benoit (that may not be saying much). Bryan has good mic skills, no one is ever going to mistaken him for The Miz or Edge but he is better than Chris Benoit. Daniel Bryan will be much like Benoit is the fact that he will get over with the fans with his wrestling, and its already starting. As people have said people don't get reactions when they're not in any kind of storyline. During his feud with The Miz he got huge reactions. During NXT he got huge reactions. During the first few minutes of the Summer Slam main event the whole crowd was chanting "Daniel Bryan."
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