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PS3 still down
Apparently due to some hackers? Don't have alot of info but probably some Xbox users:-\
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From what I've heard its between 3 main possibilities:
1) Splinter group not related to the main Anonymous anti-Sony group doing the hacking 2) Sony underestimated the effect of adding Steam to PSN. 3) The outside firm they hired to protect and monitor PSN either has a glitch with their software or something else occurred causing it to conflict with other stuff. I bet its more likely Steam and Cloud support is causing more problems since it started roughly the same time as Portal 2 console launch. Japan's PSN servers also went down around the same time as Portal 2 but it could also be some issue related to the past earthquake. |
Whatever the reason, it's pretty annoying, since it's keeping me off Netflix. Trying to write a paper w/o having something decent on in the background is going to drive me nuts.
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http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/...city-services/
Sounds like they were hacked. I'm almost willing to bet there was a risk of credit card info getting stolen, so they immediately pulled the plug to cover their asses. Quote:
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Some of the message boards are hilarious. Seriously, get a life people. Wah, you can't play your precious video games online. Go do something productive.
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Yeah, tried to sign in earlier and it was still down and my first thought was how many COD lifers are currently probably going through some variety of meltdown
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Hey, for only 8.99 a month, you dont have to worry about this :D
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No online gaming is not a big deal for me. Perfectly fine playing single player games.
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Yeah, gotta agree with LDM. If XBL was down, I might actually finish half the games I have.
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A few Capcom games are unplayable in offline or single player due to the DRM Capcom uses but they are only downloadable titles and not disc games.
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well they are saying that netflix still works, but i couldn't figure out how
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Haven't tried it, but its supposed to work. |
It worked once for me, the second time Netflix had some kind of Error/Retry thing.
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Hey Sony fix this shit or I will have to resort to binge drinking and hurling insults on the internet to fill my free time
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lool, people on playstation blog seriously considering trading towards xbox. acting like its the rapture
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What's the issue with trading for a 360? A bet a lot of them traded their 360 for a PS3 after the RRoD fiasco.
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Hopefully sony will confirm it in next 12 hours or so.
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no new update from sony.....though it was easter sunday
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I've heard it's supposed to be back up and working someday today here in the states
hopefully it's true as I just started using Netflix not long before it went down |
Sony saying that they can't say if peoples credit cards have been stolen or not
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Penny Arcade had a nice article saying Sony could avoid a lot of this mess had they been more open to their users of what was occurring instead of leaving them in the dark for too long and then using a vague "external intrusion" as a reason.
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I rarely play PS3 online, I'd rather have some of my friends over to play games, its more fun, IMO.
But that sucks in general about the whole hacking thing |
Yeah, there is definitely a risk of credit cards getting taken. Not sure if it's totally related, but my Mastercard, which is the one I use on PSN, is getting switched. When I logged into the website today, it actually said that one of their merchant's security had been breached, so they're issuing me a new card and number.
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An update from Sony
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The FBI has been involved with this situation for the past couple of days but Sony might be in more trouble due to the FBI not being able to confirm some of the stuff Sony has reported as occurring and withholding information of them actually knowing the accounts were hacked 6-9 days before finally telling customers.
Sony also sent urgent messages to all developer consoles and members/studios trying to say the developers side of the servers are "under maintenance" instead of saying the intrusion came from this part of the PSN. Quote:
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WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!?
Seriously though, sucks for PSN users....i mean, beyond the standard suck of PSN anyway. |
Never used my credit card to make purchases. Everything was bought with scratch off cash.
I should be in good shape, right? |
Should be. It's a good rule of thumb to avoid putting your CC on anything where possible. I dont do it on PSN, or Xbox Live...
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I used a card to make purchases. Oh well if an unauthorized purchase is made, I will sue Sony for 100000000000000000000000 dollars!
Seriously tho, this is fucking ridiculous. |
Top-drawer PR again by Sony. Let hackers run around with people's card details for a week before telling anyone. Genius.
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I oughta buy a game from PSN when it's back up, then call Sony and say I didn't authorize it and get that game for free! That'll learn em.
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ijust got off the blower with my bank and there monitoring the situation.
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The odds of them getting my card and using it out of all the people in the world are pretty slim. "It'll never happen to me."
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If they got it they would have used it by now, right? :shifty:
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Nah, considering the only card I've ever used on PSN is expired, they would need to use this data sooner rather than later. Besides, as someone pointed out: they have tens of millions of users data and it's probably some dickhead who doesn't even know how to apply it.
The main problem here is identify theft, yet that info is so widely disseminated, these sorts of stories don't bother me. I've ordered stuff off small companies on the internet routinely and those should be much more of a worry. Most likely all of our info has been bought and sold plenty of times without us being any the wiser. In this day and age it's best to assume your info will be stolen at some point and just keep a close eye on your statements. Banks and credit card companies invariably refund you when there's an issue. |
Sony now hit with a class-action lawsuit over the debacle of waiting almost a week to inform people their credit card and other information was indeed stolen. The lawsuit isn't concerning the hacking aspect of the debacle or Sony shutting down PSN but the recent news of Sony knowing a week before telling anyone the information was stolen.
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Also related to the situation is Sony "reviewing" reimbursing paid accounts on PSN (PS+ or the DC Online game) but will not guarantee them actually doing anything regardless of how long PSN stays down. Sony is now trying to distance themselves from yesterday saying they "confirmed information was stolen" to now "we didn't know information was actual stolen" due to the massive backlash they received from the report. The FBI is supposed to finish up their investigation on the hacking situation within the week and Congress might get involved. http://screwattack.com/blogs/ScrewAt...nal-info-theft |
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A. It's not a class action yet. They've filed for class action status. It hasn't been granted yet.
B. It's pretty premature, since no real damages have been shown yet. Compensatory damages for what? Changing your password? Ordering a new credit card? I'm not saying it's not serious, but I'm curious to see what sort of compensatory dollar amount is given to "private info." In reality though, the only "private info" would be passwords and CC info. Your name, email address, etc, isn't really private. |
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They will have an issue over here though. If any data is stored insecurely, we could give Sony a £5mil fine. |
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The whole lawsuit is probably going to be determined by what the FBI has for its results of the investigation since it will either prove what Sony has been saying or prove Sony really knew it lost the information and waited over a week to inform their customers. There is even a few rumors of Sony using the downtime to add non-security features to PSN and don't want the public to know in case of more negative backlash (ex. in-game party chat). |
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Basically the two theories are: 1. Sony was negligent in it's security, info was stolen. 2. Information was stolen, and Sony negligently waited to tell people about it Either one of those theories will work. The issue is that a price tag has to be attached to the "harm." Thus far, all that has been confirmed as stolen is names, addresses, email addresses, and I think maybe passwords. The harm there is VERY small (granted multiplied by the affected base, it's bigger.) Now if they can prove credit info was stolen, that's worth more. Even then though, the only way anyone is going to see a big payout is if someone can prove identity's were stolen, or credit cards were fraudulently used. I mean, yeah, Sony can definitely be found liable, that's not the issue. The issue is damages. |
Credit card companies refund fraudulent transactions anyway so I'm struggling to see what damages the public can actually claim out of that.
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I literally got the email from Sony 10 minutes ago
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I got it this morning...
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Sony have waddled onto their blog and said that personal info was stored in an unencrypted format.
Generally a stupid move as they can now be fined by the UK, max £5mil. Probably a few other companies with data protection laws too. |
Wow, encryption probably wasn't cost effective lol, they'll come and say in order to keep PSN free they couldn't afford encryption. That's some fucked up shit right there.
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I don't think I have used any active cards to purchase anything on PSN. I do have a Netflix account though.
Interestingly enough, I've had the failed login cues that don't work for a while, but I'm still able to get onto Netflix and use it. I guess I'll just keep an eye on my statements. So far I don't know of any problems. |
Just a heads up, Xbox Live has had no problems.
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Just wait, PSN will be not be free in the future.
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And it will likely still suck monkey nuts.
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It's alright guys, they don't have your full credit card details because PSN never asked for the CVV code on purchases.
http://bulk2.destructoid.com/ul/199973-header.jpg O shit... |
Why have I still been able to use Netflix? When it cues me to sign in, it wasn't working but I just ignored it since it still let me use Netflix and I haven't been playing anything online lately.
I wouldn't have even known about this all if not for this thread. I never check the email I used for PSN |
I'm guessing the Netflix service isn't tied in with the Playstation Network, just the internet itself. It's probably the same reason you could receive PS Updates, set up a LAN, and I think browse the internet too.
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I haven't been able to use Netflix on mine
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I trust Microsoft's xbox to have better security than I do Blizzard's battle.net or WoW.
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Banks might potentially sue or try to reclaim losses from Sony due to people swapping for new credit cards.
A new card costing about $3-$5 to make and activate in the system with some estimates putting the total cost being close to $300 million for worst case scenario. This goes on top of "lost revenues" from the interest and charging rates because people are not using the cards. http://kotaku.com/#!5796935/if-the-p...card-know-this |
Sony confirmed that CC information was encrypted and there is no evidence it was accessed. The sue happy people will have to sue the news sources who incorrectly claimed that the info had been accessed.
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PSN back up in North America as of 11:33 gmt
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Not getting the 'Undergoing maintenance' message anymore but still won't sign in. Guessing it's 'on the way'.
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Why are Xbox and Playstation owners competitive about their online service?
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It's kinda like "my dad is better then your dad!" kid shit. I don't really care either way, I barely use PSN, and I'm 98% sure that if I had live, I would barely use it as well.
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Im still getting the maintnance message
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I'm playing Black Ops right now.
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And I'm sure if you read the fine print somewhere deep in the ToS, you'll probably find that Sony has the right to terminate online services indefinitely and without notice or compensation to end users.
I'm not saying it's cool, I'm just assuming the worst about a company that clearly only cares about money. |
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Sony will do anything about it. I just think people have the right to be aggrieved.
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I joined a class action suit. :y:
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Sony will also be giving everyone access to Playstation Plus for one month.
Which means nothing, of course, since once that month is up you lose anything you've downloaded :o |
Pretty much, unless you buy a game that's been discounted. I wonder how they're going to handle it. If they automatically switch every single account over no questions asked, or if they make you sign up with a credit card so they can automatically renew.
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That's where I got my info from :-\ |
Joystiq also has it implied that everyone will receive it.
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Hmmm. Interesting. But yeah, what's the point really, besides the discounts, since all of it will go away after a month? Better off just giving people free stuff in general. Also, the free stuff better not be crap for Home...
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The free content could be nice though. |
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is Playstation Plus?
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this is starting to grind my gears
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