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1-10 How big of a star was Bret?
Gertner brought this up, on a scale of 1-10 how big of a star would you have considered Bret? Was he on the same level as Hogan, Macho, Flair, Sting durring the early 90s. What about Rock, Austin, HBK, in the late 90s, and how does he compare to someone like Punk or Cena today?
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Internationally 10, in the U.S 7.
Bret's not as big a star as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Flair, Sting, Savage. He's a second tier level star. Bret thinks he's up there with Hogan and Austin, but he's not. Reason: mediocre at best on the mic. I'd put him on the level with Nash in terms of drawing power. Obviously he's a better in ring worker, but what big gate has Bret ever drawn in the U.S? The WWF was losing badly to WCW when he was main eventing, and the switch from Gee golly shucks Bret to the Attitude era after Bret left for WCW boosted WWF and sunk WCW when Bret was there. Half of Bret's problem was Bret being booked poorly in WCW. but the other half was Bret just not being that big of draw in the U.S, which hurt Bret because WCW for the most part stayed in the U.S as opposed to WWF where Bret draw big numbers in Canada and England. |
I'd say 8. Bret was known worldwide, but unfortunately he was the #1 guy of a company during it's lowest run.
If Bret had been in WWE during the Attitude Era things could have been very different. But none-the-less, WWF at it's lowest point in the 90's was still pretty big worldwide. Maybe Hart isn't on that 'Elite' list of wrestlers that can be counted on one hand (Hogan, Austin, Flair, etc), but I do think he was a big star back in the day. |
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8. Probably the greatest technician of all time but never had the mainstream appeal of Rock, Hogan, or Austin.
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I think he wore those glasses so guys could see the way there balls rest in his mouth
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I think Brett wore pink because he thought the cum wouldn't show during a black light test.
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The Sharpshooter wasn't always the name of Brett s submission finisher. Originally it was called Stu's Clues.
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He's a 10 because everyone knows who he is (within wrestling and the general public) and that he is a famous wrestler. That is just one reason.
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To be fair, he did appear on The Simpsons. That's gotta have some kinda pop-culture significance.
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6 in America
10 in Canada 9 Worldwide I don't think his popularity in the US was anywhere near Austin/Rock levels, but when Bret was on top, wrestling was at a far lower point than The Attitude Era. It was just escaping the "cartoon/over the top characters" and heading towards HBK's New Generation," but no matter the era, Bret will always be looked at as one of the most technical superstars of all-time, along with Angle, Benoit, Jericho, et al. |
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bret is a solid 10.
if you think any less you don't know what you are talking about. |
I give Bret a 12 in Canada and an 8.5 here in the US... He was a 10 in the US until Rock, Austin, etc. came along...
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He is the biggest Canadian rassler of all time. So with that said, he's a 5 because canada only counts as half a USA!
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That being said, I hate him...
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Bret is a solid 7.
If you think he's a 10, then you're probably one of those uber defensive Bret Hart marks. |
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7 in America.
7000 in Canada. |
9. He's not Hogan, Austin, Rock but he's still one of the "most famous"/biggest ever.
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He's horrible on the Mic, He's a smaller wrestler which indicates he should be a flier of some kind, but he never went higher the the second turnbuckle, I do give him credit for a pretty pristine record when it comes to never making a mistake and hurting someone in all the big matches he's had, but his ego kills any respect I would've ever had for him...
I personally love the Hart family with the exception of Bret ... Give him a 3 |
Bret is a 10 forever, and I love him. I am also a Bret Hart mark, so fuck you guys.
How many times has Hulk Hogan appeared on Lonesome Dove? That's right. Fucking ZERO. |
How many theater-released movies has Bret Hart starred in?
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how many theatre-released movie star wrestlers were in every single episode of a world famous multi-multi-season Emmy, Peabody and Grammy award winning TV show?
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3.
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He is EVILUTION78, you are like the buzzing of flies to him!
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Solid 8. 8 is respectable.
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I would like the point out that if Bret was Main Eventing during the low days of the WWF then so was HBK, just for the record.
Anyway: US: 8 Canada; 7 million Worldwide: 10 |
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Side note, I think the only time I saw all the Hart bros wrestling was at Survivor Series. I wanna say Brett was the biggest one |
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Lonesome Dove, bitches.
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I don't know, tassels are pretty gay.
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Black bandana? Check. Eye patch? Check. Sleeveless jean shirt (tucked into jeans)? Check. Clashing belt? Check. Bret had to play a character. Hulk Hogan was Hulk Hogan no matter what the script, scene or weather called for. And for that reason, Bret will always be a tier below whatever tier Hogan is on. |
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Bret Hart was a big draw internationally but within the US, he wasn't much of a draw. But he was still WWE's biggest draw for a few years. Hogan, Austin, The Rock, Flair, Savage are all on a level Bret Hart. I'd put Bret Hart in the same league as HBK, but he was always a bigger draw than HBK, but I don't know if it's a big enough difference for him to be considered in a tier above him. |
7-8 range for today and around 8-9 in terms of actual in-ring skills compared to most main event quality wrestlers. The whole US vs Canada feud during the mid to late 1990s ended up hurting his marketability in the US but same could be said of HBK in Canada during the time.
10 during his era in the WWF regardless how low or bad the WWF was because he fit perfectly against the more show-boating style of HBK. He still is worthy of 2nd tier star status after all the really big names but HBK moved into 1st tier due to a longer career and after his return back to wrestling. |
I have never met an american non-wrestling fan who knows who Bret is. The question is "how big of a star was he?" not "how good of a wrestler/performer do you think he was?"
That being said...in the U.S. he's a 6. Canada he's a 9.5. |
Bret was great in the ring and able to get over pretty well so I'd say 7 maybe an 8 at certain points in his career, but by no means was he EVER at the level of Hogan or any of the others listed.
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Yeah, I'm sure you have talked to soooooooo many non-wrestling fans about Bret Hart.
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well, if you didn't watch wrestling would you know who he is?
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For Christ's sake! I said this on the first page, but he was in the Simpsons!!! He wouldn't have appeared in The Simpsons if they didn't think people wouldn't know who he was. That should tell you all you need to know about how big of a draw he was back in the 90's.
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How the fuck would I know? I've watched wrestling my whole life. |
Do I have to find some more Lonesome Dove pictures, because I swear I will.
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ABT CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!
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Bret just happened to be one of the top guys at the time. |
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Which goes back to what I originally said. Bret was the top guy at the lowest time. But even at it's lowest time, WWF was still a world-wide company, therefore people knew who Bret Hart was.
Otherwise Hogan would have been in the Simpsons, probably jobbing everyone out. |
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Didn't HBK wrestle Mantaur once? Get outta here.
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Bret sucks. Only dumb canucks like him.
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I think people subconsciously take Bret down a notch on the ratings scale every time he shows up on t.v. in a t-shirt and G-Unit jean shorts.
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Hey guys, remember when Shawn Michaels guest starred on Pacific Blue?
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Remember when Austin guest starred on Nash Bridges multiple times?
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Like anybody watched Pacific Blue. :roll:
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Or Nash Bridges. :roll:
Lonesome Dove is the highest grossing television series of our lifetime, and Bret's appearance were the all-time highest rated with a whopping 56.1 rating. Hard to believe, I know. |
Tempted to make a thread titled: Wrestlers who appeared on below average tv shows.
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http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...uff/nashg1.jpg bet you're feeling pretty bastard stupid right now |
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Anyway post 2002 sure fine, but Bret's head was jello by then. But before then Bret and HBK were both on top during the exact same era. And here's the big thing Bret Hart is probably one of the biggest international draws of all time. |
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You're perfectly right in saying that Bret played his part in the development of Austin but I would rank the 96 KOTR promo and the first Stunner on Vince as being of far greater importance in shaping the man who became Stone Cold Steve Austin. |
Fuck bret,and fuck Canada.lol. Na j/k he's a solid 7
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To be fair I think the only real thing either HBK or Bret played in setting the tone for the Attitude Era was Montreal. Bret was out of the picture by the end of 97 amd HBK was gone only a few months later. Then it was Austin/Rock/HHH's DX (The DX most people are going to remember more IMO)/McMahon from there on in. |
Anybody Thrilla is absolutely right about everything in this thread.
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Curious about where all this knowledge about drawing power is coming from.
I give him 8. And it's all from his wrestling. I can't give him a 10. He is the only wrestler I would rate this high on wrestling skills alone. I would give him a 9 if he weren't the victim of some unfortunate circumstances. When wrestling evolves beyond you, it does you no favors to go to a company who drops the ball with you, have your family start dropping dead and have career-ending strokes. Had Hart more time, he might have surprised people and been able to evolve himself. But nobody knows now. I save the tens for those who are the performers, the ones who can ignite the crowd and use the ability to create drama. Although a lot of these tens are great wrestlers, some of them aren't; moreover, none of them were as good as Bret in the ring. In his league, yes, plenty were. But none as good. |
He's an easy 9.5 for when he was in his prime.
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Bret was a 10 in his prime, definitely.
In 1997 he was about a 12...he was at his all-time best that year. |
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LOL I'll never understand people's need to downplay Bret Hart's achievements and success.
I'm very glad my two favorite wrestlers are HBK and Bret, so I don't have to talk shit about one just to make a point about the other one. |
Canada 10: Duh
USA 6: I always think he had a solid fan base and liking, but really I never heard people overly rave about him like any other names. He kind of was a side note. It wasn't until he faced off with Austin and Shawn he kind of became more of "star." After he went to WCW his name faded and besides the Screw Job, most "everyday/casual" fans would just kind of go "oh yeah, him too...He was cool" if he was brought up. Internationally I'm going with a 3: Just like Eklipse I have a very hard time finding non American/Canada fans that know who he is. The ones who do know him are hardcore wrestling fans and still most of them think he's shit and care little about him. The other thing is most of them are from Europe. I have never heard Bret's name every brought up when talking to Asian fans. I've been asked who I'm talking about many times. I think his popularity is a bit over rated. |
LOL at Bret being a "3" Internationally.
And a "6" in the US, yet he had the best Main Event matches from like, 1992 to 1997, was a huge fan favorite, and won Vince's confidence to the point he was a 5-Time WWF Champion, along with the IC and Tag Team Titles. Incredible. |
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I'd give him a solid 9 all around. Obviously not the huge pop culture icon like Hogan or Austin, but just a right below that, IMO. He did that on his wrestling skills alone too, which speaks volumes about how great he really was.
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If WWE didn't believe that Austin was going to emerge as a legit main eventer, they wouldn't have let him feud with Bret Hart leading up to his return at Survivor Series 96. His KOTR 96 promo started all of that. I think his WM13 match with Bret indicated that not only is Austin a main eventer, but the whole company can be built around him.
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I'm not denying that the KOTR promo helped Austin. It definitely did. But it didn't immediately put him over the way the WM13 with Bret Hart did. Right after winning the KOTR in June, WWE didn't really do much with Austin until September or so when the seeds for the Bret Hart feud were planted. Unless my memory is incorrect.
I'm just saying that the increase in Austin's overness from the start of WM13 to end of WM13 was a lot higher than the start of KOTR to the end of KOTR. |
Judging by this Bret was an ok draw, not the best, but come on..
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starting to feel like a huge asshole for not knowing about the show Lonesome Dove
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Yes finally Bret Hart marks vs HBK marks fights have returned to TPWW!!!
It's been too long. |
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I'm not trying to take anything away from Bret's remarkable contribution to wrestling but others have had a more telling part in the story of pro wrestling and that is why I ranked him at a 7. |
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