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I think The Rock could Kill Cena Monday....
So The Rock tweeted this.
Dwayne Johnson@TheRockReply Retweet Favorite · Open @JohnCena @WWE The truth comes out this Monday. John you have no idea. With Cena attacking Rock talking about how he left the WWE and never cared about the WWE and all that shit. There is one thing that Rock could attack Cena about. That Cena was a Failed Bodybuilder and only went into wrestling to be famous, potentally making him look like a fucking idiot on live tv (especially with pictures etc.etc.) Also pointing out that his family is WWE and he was "raised" in the WWE. Knowing how The Rock can control a crowd and get people to pretty much follow whatever he wants to say, he could litterally kill Cena before Mania, and make this feud boring. Thoughts?? |
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The problem with this feud is, the fans will cheer the Rock because they like him, he's "fresh" in a sense, as opposed to Cena who is old and has been doing the same thing. However, Cena is technically right. So while the fans are going to get behind the Rock, Cena is the one they should be cheering for. It's an interesting dynamic that won't go away. |
Kind of reminds me of this promo:
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I dont see how Cena is right about anything, long time fans have ridiculed Flair, Hogan, Nash, HHH etc for years for staying around way past their respective welcomes and hoggging the spotlight. Rock accomplished everything there was to do and frankly had the luxery of going on to bigger and better things i.e more money no bumps and being a leading man in Hollywood.
As far as Rock returning and stealing somebodys spot? who's exactly? The same talent Cena has spent the last 7 years mercilessly crushing. Cena has beat and buried everybody and presented nobody as his equal so whos worthy of facing him at mania? If Rock hadnt returned Cena would be stale himself. Then some anonymous wrestler blames Rock for the low buyrate at Survivor Series??? the buyrate was low because WWE and SuperCena made Truth and Miz look like jobbers in the whole build up. He crushed them in a friggin handicap match a few weeks prior!!. Who would buy a PPV when you know the outcome of the Main Event? The harsh reality is John Cena and WWE need the Rock more than he needs them and I hope Rock makes him look like the massive cock he is Monday night :-) |
Either way, it's a can't miss Raw...
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I loved Cena's promo last night on RAW but this idea that Cena is right is ridiculous.
Oh no! Rock was at the top of the business and moved on to a bigger career in Hollywood! How dare he accept more money, less travel, a better schedule, safer working conditions, and better both long and short term health! Anybody on the roster that says they wouldn't take advantage of the opportunities Rock has and leave wrestling behind after accomplishing everything in the wrestling business is full of shit. They're either lying to everyone or lying to themselves. Quite honestly, Rock (or anyone else given the opportunity) would be stupid not to take advantage of it. Don't get me wrong, as a huge Rock mark, I'm glad Rock's back and doing this match at Mania and I would love for him to come back full time or more often. Rock doesn't owe anyone anything, not the fans, the company, the business or anyone on the roster. The folks that bitch about Rock "taking someone's spot" or being "too 'Hollywood'" just seem ignorant, bitter and jealous. Guess what? Rock's moved on to bigger things and anyone who thought that he was coming back "full time" regardless of what he said are truly stupid. The only reason any one does anything is for personal gain and to feed their own ego. Cena, Punk, Jericho, HHH, Flair, Hogan, Taker, all of the rest, they don't wrestle for the fans or for the business. They wrestle because they love the money and the spotlight. |
KILL him?! That's pretty violent!
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Seriously? Cena could beat the shit out of Rocky. And I highly doubt Rock has something interesting on Cena. it's just all hype... Rock will go back to the land of Movies after this week.. or it'll be his stunt double Attending Raw.
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I still don't get what Cena's beef with Rock is.
After all, The Rock accomplished everything a wrestler could strive to achieve within his wrestling career. So why would someone be so shocked, upset, and disappointed with him for trying to achieve something more and expand the WWE's media profile in the process? Cena tried the same with regard to branching out into movies...and it didn't work. All of Cena's commentary regarding Rock just reeks of jealousy and bitterness for falling short of equaling Rock's legacy both in and out of the ring. Anyone who thought for a second that Rocky was coming back full time is either completely naive or stupid. The fact that Rock still makes appearances with WWE when he doesn't need the money or exposure says tons about how much wrestling means to him. |
The beef is that Rock talks out both sides of his mouth. He comes across as incredibly disingenuous. The "I'll never leave" comment is a perfect example. The Rock was quite aware that he was only coming back for a couple brief appearances, but he said it anyway.
The Rock says one thing, but does another. His actions don't match his words. And eventually people start to pick up on that. |
And yeah, I'm well aware that Rocky is not the only guy who does this. Lots of people do it. Anne Frankly, those people are assholes too.
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The Rock is coming back for good starting next week!
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Everything Cena said is true, period. Cena may have failed at other things before coming to wrestling, but most guys did/have. Was Rock wrong for going to hollywood? No. Would I do the same fucking thing in his shoes? Fuck yes. However if you go to hollywood don't come back with the "You're my family I'm never leaving again!" shit. Rock came back for a nice paycheck and a chance to plug his movies not for us. This match will draw some money for WWE, but it's a flash in the pan deal. After Wrestlemania there's no more Rocky payday for the E so in my opinion they would have been better off using the spot to further a talent who was actually interested in staying with the business.
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Well Cena gets the win over the Rock at Mania and then stays, so he gets the rub.
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Some of you are forgetting the original beef Cena had with Rock. Cena never had a problem with Rock leaving. As Supreme said, he has always had a problem with Rock's comments about WWE after he left.
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I think they are both right, and Cena did really well on Monday.
Also I don't think Cena should necessarily win. I do think he is going to win though. |
I would love to hear The Rock just shoot with Dwayne's reasons for becoming a movie star. The real reasons. The obvious ones. The money, the fame -- how he "outgrew" putting his body on the line each and every night to make a killing. Rock was always entertaining as a heel, and he's going to be cheered anyway, so he might as well go full heel mode on Cena, and call him bitter and jealous because he can't seem to get out of the WWE because no one wants to pay to see him.
We're getting close to WrestleMania. It's time to start making people want to see boots to asses. |
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Sarcasm btw... Interestingly enough however a lot of the people who are on Rocks nuts saying what has he done wrong, "he made a choice to take more money better schedule etc" Yet these are the same guys who spent a lot of time hating on Cena for being a maineventer. As if that's his choice. GUy does the job that's asked of him. The hate makes me a Cena fan by default, the guy is a champ in my view who does whats asked of him, puts a good face out there for the business and doesn't seem to have an issue doing the job. |
Cena's promo actually made me want him to win a little bit. If The Rock comes out on Monday and just does what he has done previously (ie. standard catchphrases, plug twitter, and then call Cena some ridiculous nickname/insult) then I think he will get shit on eventually. I think if The Rock delivers a meaningful passionate promo and points out that he left on top and left to pave the way for John Cena and others then it will work. I also think they can make The Rock the heel in this thing by taking his 2003 gimmick up to an entirely higher level. Monday will be very interesting because while it is the same shit, Cena delivered an emotional promo that actually got people behind him without doing some clever rap or him being goody-goody and shaking it off. The Rock can deliver an intense and emotional promo that will set up this match beautifully. The Rock can do an intense and emotional promo, and that is what this match needs in the build to make from just "Icon vs Icon II" into something even bigger that will be remembered for more than just being 2 of the biggest names of 2 eras facing off in the most insanely overhyped match of all time. I also think people are overemphasizing that WrestleMania is in Miami. Yes, it is in The Rock's hometown but most of the people there will be "smart" fans from all over the world who won't automatically cheer The Rock and boo John Cena. I think it would be harder to make The Rock heel, but it could be the much more impressive and entertaining option.
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The Rock sold out, I'd love to see how his father would re act to such a thing.
He only gained stardom because of his role in The Mummy Returns xD.... |
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The Rock is taking a step down to do this, more work for less money and promotion to a specialised audience that isn't really worth his time. Occam's fucking Razor. It's highly unlikely Vince can offer movie-level money to the Rock, or that the Rock feels this vein of promotion is worth it. Hell, in a market where the WWE has some of the worst crossover appeal in YEARS, the Rock is benefiting the 'E more than the 'E is benefiting the Rock. I can understand feeling the Rock is talking bullshit (And we all know, the truth is such an important quality in wrestling promos), but complaining that he's only in it for the check is just stupid. |
You cant wrestle forever... whatever he needs to do for the WWE, Im sure he would gladly do... Sure hes moved to other venues, but he along with others would come back to help out.
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One of the hugest things was The Rock's whole "Don't call me The Rock anymore" campaign.
I remember when he started this up and that had to rub the boys the wrong way. That is him distancing himself from wrestling as much as possible. I'm glad he's calling himself The Rock again, because it doesn't make him seem like he's looking down on wrestling. But the damage has been done. It can be fixed, and he's working on that. |
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The Rock has been on a streak of Number one movies. The WWE is lucky to nab "stars" like Snookie. he makes 5 times more per film than the top WWE star, and he does several films a year. Money is not a factor. He is "doing this" for himself (as he misses it) and "the fans". His motivations are legit IMHO, just not the way he is doing it. |
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Love it. Also, I think people are blowing the "I'm never, ever going away" comment that The Rock made last year out of proportion. And I admit, that's The Rock's fault. Nobody, and I mean nobody with a semi-intelligent grasp on pro wrestling today and the past few years should think that The Rock will return full-time. What The Rock meant by the comment is that he will never completely leave. He will always come back for appearances, like he's done throughout the past seven years. Albeit, the via satellite stuff is a bummer because he's not physically there, but it's enjoyable nonetheless. He'll be back through Mania starting Monday night and it's gonna be intense. I have no clue where this is going to go now that Cena said what he did on Raw. I can understand Cena's gripe along with everyone else who has similar feelings. Making that comment was The Rock putting too much confidence in the boys and the people to understand "what he meant" as opposed to taking what he said on the surface level. But hey, this isn't a philosophy of language course and there really shouldn't be implications in wrestling promos. He should have said exactly what he meant, or not make the comment at all. I understand that, and I'm the biggest Rock mark here. In doing it the way he did, he left an opening for Cena and everyone else to attack him. It could make the feud that much better, though. There is more I want to say but I've gotta get my meathead on then get to work. I'll have to see how everyone flames me later. |
Rock did this shit on purpose, if he didn't, Cena would have absolutely nothing to say to him. The Rock would just make him look like a retard, because Cena's supposed to be good on the mic.
I'll quit posting in this forum forever if Rock loses to Cena in a clean match. |
I don't get all this supposed backstage heat the rock has, for taking a mania spot. Like, what do they want? I guess bump the biggest match since Rock vs Hogan so a couple mid carders can have a match at wrestlemania? Is this seriously the attitude backstage?
Same thing happened with Trish/Morrison & Melina last year, and I couldn't wrap my head around it then, either. Wrestlers from the past coming back for a big event has been pretty common, for decades now. But it seems now, that all of a sudden people have a problem with that, and I really don't understand why. These are people who have paid their dues long, long ago. In an era when wrestling was more violent and dangerous, I might add. I just don't get this sense of entitlement that these complainers seem to have. |
I agree with Captain of Fun completely. As Rock himself has said, it's like Hogan coming back for WM X8. It's not like Hogan was keeping Tajiri off the card or something, Hogan brought it a lot of interest to the card, and as a result the WWE product.
Who ever is backstage complaining about this is incredibly short sighted, and only thinking about WM. The Rock being in the main event at WM after so much movie exposure is huge for WWE, and will bring in more money and interest in general, creating bigger paychecks and fans in the bigger picture. I also think the Rock has to lose to Cena, much like Hogan lost to Rock. I think Rock knows the business well enough to know that Cena has to look good going forward, as he did when he put over Goldberg in 2003, in his last singles match. |
It doesn't matter what the boys in the back think.
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It's not as basic as a lot of you's are making it out to be. The guys aren't upset because Drew, or Wade, or The Miz don't have a match booked and likely won't. They are upset because The Rock is a little bitch and ONLY comes around when he has a movie that needs promoting, and passes it off like his reason for being there is the exact opposite. It's fairly obvious that some producer said, "Listen Rock it might be a good idea for you to talk to Vince McMahon and do another match or two, you could really pull in some more tickets for this movie, if you did a big match against say... John Cena you would be able to pull in a whole new legion of people to buy tickets for our... I mean your movies".
Also The Rock is a bitch because he came to Raw and said "I WILL NEVER LEAVE AGAIN" and he fucking did, the next week! Now do I want Rock on Raw every night? Hell no, his schtick gets old real fast to me. However the small doses are fine, and am I excited about this match? Hell yeah! And you know what, I'm going to boo the heel, THE ROCK. It doesn't matter if the people boo Cena or not in Miami, Cena is the babyface. He will rise above and play a babyface while The Rock will take cheap shots and be the typical borderline heel Rock that we all know and love or hate. I think a lot of these .com reports about Rocky having heat are a great way to get people like the IWC stoked for the match, and possibly a great way to get some of the adult audience to side with John for the big match. Either way, realize Cena goes in babyface and rises above the hate that Rock will spit with his mad mic skills. It's a work. :) |
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It doesn't matter. Cena goes heel at Mania. He'll prolly beat the rock,with outside help of somekind. That's my pick anyway.No matter what they aren't going to let their top guy look weak to a former star. Remember Rock/Hogan? Yea that's what is going down. In my humble opinion.
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Rock probably works more on one movie than he ever will again with WWE.
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So based off the Raw thread and this thread I now gather that people are on Cena's side in this feud now?
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The Rock isn't Hogan and Cena isn't The Rock.
Stop it. |
I would debate that "Rock isn't Hogan" part...
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Unless you meant that literally.
In which case, you are certainly right. |
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Cena beating Rock and then the two of them shaking hands ala Rock/Hogan though, definitely a possibility. |
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Cena's been bland for too long, at least The Rock gives him someone fresh to fued with, and is prepared to say/do what others will not to a degree. But who cares, side with The Rock, side with Cena, choose your man, its exactly like it was with Rock/Austin, and Rock/Hogan, the atmosphere alone will raise the match 2*. If you can't get hyped for Rock / Cena, no matter which side you choose, you don't understand wrestling. |
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At least he'll be in a nice, cushy WWE job where he can have do-overs, rest breaks and stunt doubles. Wait, no, that's Hollywood. Ofcourse, I meant "more" in the sense of "additional." But even if you compare time put in to money earned, I doubt your version would particularly be true. |
lol. That 20 minute match is gonna kill him. You're right.
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KK, I love you bro, I do, but ummmm....
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I'm pretty sure he will be in jail for killing Cena as the title implies. The only thing that will kill him is the chair. |
This is all so fucking laughable and nobody is going to change their mind regardless of who's side they're on. You're a fucking moron if you took the "never ever going away" comment literally. The Rock doesn't owe anyone anything.
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When he said "never ever going away" I didnt expect him to be on every Raw....I actually expected him to do exactly what he's doing now... |
I think everyone expected him to do what he's doing now.
I expected him to do what he's doing now. Which is exactly why when he said "I'm never leaving again" I instantly thought "What an asshole." |
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Also to Kane Knight. Dude you're really sounding like a troll with your comments. Not sure if that's intentional or not, but it's pretty laughable the way you try to defend him by saying he's not getting anything out of this. Sure he's not making a killing with the cash from this, but considering he's worked like 10 days for WWE this year just cutting promos and having one tag match at a ppv he didn't even draw for I'd say he's getting a pretty good deal. Not to mention it's not like this is taking away from his movie career. I mean seriously, do you think he's missed out on any roles or time on set because of cutting one of his 10 minute promos?
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You should do what about 90% of the posters here do and just ignore Kane Knight.
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Still, I do wonder if you actually read my comments. And if you did, whether you actually, you know, understood them. I'm pretty sure nobody is saying he's getting nothing out of this. At the very least, I know I'm not saying it. So is your sentiment really "It's pretty laughable the way you say things you didn't say?" I don't think so, but that's the way it appears to break down. I mean, your next line starts: Quote:
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This seems like another "Kane Knight disagreed with what I said, so he must believe the complete opposite of what I said, even though there is no factual basis for it in his posts." The usual whiny shit tards like Noid pull out because they have no actual basis to disagree with me, but are butthurt that I don't agree with them. This post should seriously be superfluous, because even a complete trog should be able to sit through a post that is the rough equivalent of a paragraph and a half (tops) and sound out the big words. The one thing that seems to have stuck in your craw is also the one thing I didn't say. |
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The Rock hasn't lied to anyone. He said what he meant and what he meant is what he's doing now.
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Cena would kill the Rock because he has the fighting spirit.
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Rocky signed a contract to come back permo.
Nation of Domination is back. |
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Everyone that I know in real life who watches WWE and heard him say that got the SAME thing out of it that I did, ie, he won't be on the road 300 days out of the year, but he'll appear sporadically. He sounded like an asshole to YOU maybe because you read into it in an inaccurate way... |
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It's also completely irrelevant. If you're going to call Cena a mega star, you need to call Hogan a emag emnsh d em age amge smegma emss amn emna sbn a eh sb star. And Rock something similar. It's not even close. You can draw an isolated parallel, but that's it. Cena is not in their league, there are few who are. |
You're talking about legendary wrestlers. John Cena is not a legendary wrestler, and never will be.
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Also, I would much rather see Steve Austin vs. Cena, even if Rock is my favorite. The things the two of them represent would clash harder and make for a more epic showdown. I would markishly look forward to watching Steve Austin stomping him in a corner, and flipping the bird while Cena "never gives up."
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Cement is not legendary.
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Yeah, Austin-Cena would definitely come off more as THE clash of eras.
The good thing about this as opposed to that though is that here Cena actually has a chance to have some people on his side for the feud. I feel like in that feud with Austin, (with the exception obviously of the "Cena demographic") he'd just be fucked. They'd have to try to find a legit ground for him to be anti-Austin. |
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Someone go career vs. career with me. If Cena loses cleanly to Rock, stop posting in the wrestling forum forever.
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Wow. Really!?! lol
I'm sure Cena is not gonna lose cleanly to The Rock at WrestleMania. But only as sure as one can be with a wrestling match. |
It's just... there's so many reasons that won't happen. lol
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I mean... outside the fact that you'd be putting a guy who is gonna make a few appearances a year over THE face of your company who's gonna be there every night and give him the stigma of "this guy is demonstrably not as good as the guy from the past era... even past his prime." But the fact that LAST YEAR'S WrestleMania actually ended with Rock standing tall over Cena after a rock bottom. SURVIVOR SERIES ended with Rock standing tall over Cena after a rock bottom...
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And now Rock is gonna cleanly beat Cena at this years WrestleMania to just continue domination and make the best of the current product look miles behind him? Come on. lol
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Art imitating reality? Self-Awareness the WWE?
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http://www.spikednation.com/sites/de...NyKIGXiI_1.jpg Second bolded part: I actually will be hoping Cena wins because it only makes sense. Maybe its because I have my own business in entertainment and maybe I understand how things typically should work. Cena should get the rub. I'm not vested into with a "ROCK LOOKED LIKE A DICK FOR SAYING THAT LOLOLOL i hope he LOSES AT MANIA HAHAHA!" type feel, I'm watching it as someone who understands what is ACTUALLY going on. It's a storyline. Things are planned and scripted. Rock winning does nothing unless it pushes Cenas character into freshness with his following behavior. Your responses are just full of assumptions and interpretations, and then you run with them to create more interpretations...lol. But hey, thats cool. Third bolded part: Whats it like being able to see the future? That must be awesome. |
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I'm just hoping Cena wins because I value characters. And again, Cena is clearly the good guy here. Whether you find Rock's comments to be his own or him playing up a character, he's the dick in the feud and to have him go over Cena after being a conceited asshole, bullying and getting the upper hand whenever they get physical would just be a HORRIBLE way to go. Cena's "I'm sticking up for the guys who wanted nothing more than to be a wrestler and STAY a wrestler" speech on Raw was an INCREDIBLE face promo. Rock has really not at any point during the feud looked out for anyone other than himself.
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And for the record, this whole "LOL YOU TAKE THE COMMENTS MADE IN THIS FEUD SERIOUSLY SO YOU THINK IT'S REAL" thing is a pretty lame attempt at breaking down people's arguments to make it seem like they're saying something they aren't in order to boost your own. Pretty sure most of the things Rock and Cena are saying are things they genuinely believe. It's a wrestling storyline that is *gasp* based in reality! There's no reason people can't pick sides based on whose comments they agree with.
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Nawwwwhhh they're both gonna fight it out for a while and then just both walk out the ring and get counted out. Then pick up a mic each and be like "hahahahah oh we got you good, you all paid to see us but we screwed you over. We're bigger than wrestling. Suck our willies!". Then Triple H and Undertaker will come out after their brutal match earlier in the night and be all "hey, we nearly killed each other for our main event you little pricks. Next year, Wrestlemania 2013, Rock and Cena vs Triple H and Undertaker!"
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Then in that match those four guys will do the same thing and leave and tell the fans they've screwed them again. Then out comes Kane, Stone Cold, Edge and Mick Foley to announce WM 2014's main event. WAR GAMES STYLE!
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It's pretty simple this wrestling booking thing isn't it?
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Also at wrestlemania 2014 there will be two segments going on at a time. In one ring it will be Daniel Bryan vs Lance Storm vs Dean Malenko in a match for internet guys, and in the other ring a promo or comedy segment for the people who are bored of those three.
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Opening match(es) will be Money in the bank with all the past winners in one ring and in the other ring a tag team turmoil battle royal cage match.
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There will be one segment where a platform is placed in the middle of the two rings where William Regal will sit and read Of Mice And Men for a little while. Maybe not the whole book, maybe The Great Khali can interrupt to get some major heel heat to set up for the Summer of Khali.
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Curt Hawkins will have been repackaged at some point as "The Hawk" and will have captured the World Heavyweight title. He will face off against Justin "Angel" Gabriel in a grudge match for the ages.
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One of the bella twins has a sex change and wins the Intercontinental and US titles on its debut. It will carry round both titles and claim it has something big for them. The titles are transformed into the intergender titles, with the first holders to be Nikki and Bryn Bella. They will defend the titles against Kharma and Heath Slater.
Controversial finish to the match when Heath Slater attempts to pin the male Bella, but the rules state that a female may not pin a male and the ref gets confused as to what gender Slater and Kharma are. Nikki Bella gets the tag in to pin Slater. |
I'm off to bed. I fully expect a message in the morning from one of the WWE spies lurking around here thanking me on getting them their easy paycheck in two years time.
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The huge flaw in your theory is that Cena would turn heel and the kids would just join up with the adults in hatred of him making everyone hate him. As if most of the adults who have been dying for him to turn heel for years now wouldn't start liking him once he did.
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