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Big Vic 09-06-2012 09:01 AM
UFC 152: Live from Canada!
 
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<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th colspan="9">Main Card (PPV)</th> </tr> <tr> <th>Weight Class</th> <th>Red Corner</th> <th>
</th> <th>Blue Corner</th> <th>Method</th> <th>Round</th> <th>Time</th> <th>Notes</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Light Heavyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Jon Jones (c)</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Brazil.svg.png Vitor Belfort</td> <td>
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</td> <td><sup class="reference plainlinks nourlexpansion" id="ref_UFC_152">Note 1</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Flyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Joseph Benavidez</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Demetrious Johnson</td> <td>
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</td> <td><sup class="reference plainlinks nourlexpansion" id="ref_UFC_152">Note 2</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Middleweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Michael Bisping</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Brian Stann</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Light Heavyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Matt Hamill</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...elarus.svg.png Vladimir Matyushenko</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Featherweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Cub Swanson</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Brazil.svg.png Charles Oliveira</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <th colspan="9">Preliminary Card (FX)</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Light Heavyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...roatia.svg.png Igor Pokrajac</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Brazil.svg.png Vinny Magalhães</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Lightweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Canada.svg.png TJ Grant</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Evan Dunham</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Welterweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Canada.svg.png Sean Pierson</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Lance Benoist</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Featherweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Jimy Hettes</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Marcus Brimage</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <th colspan="9">Preliminary Card (Facebook)</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Welterweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Seth Baczynski</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Norway.svg.png Simeon Thoresen</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bantamweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Canada.svg.png Mitch Gagnon</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Walel Watson</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Welterweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tralia.svg.png Kyle Noke</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Charlie Brenneman</td> <td>
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Pumped for this card....4 great fights on the PPV, can't wait.

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2012 12:09 PM
That's a stacked card..

Hate that Belfort is getting the shot and not Machida/Shogun/Sonnen...

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2012 12:11 PM
I hope the 4 "great" fight are all but the main event cause all those will be awesome..

I see Jones getting a TKO victory in the 2nd due to GnP..

Next Big Thing 09-06-2012 12:16 PM
This is a proper PPV card. Funny that Greg "the sport killer" Jackson will be cornerman in 3 of the 5 fights on the main card. Awkward.......

CSL 09-06-2012 01:46 PM
BISSSSSSSS-PINGGGGGGGG

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2012 01:47 PM
Stann is gonna KO him..

GO AMERICA!!

CSL 09-06-2012 01:50 PM
by the power of tea and crumpets, The Marine not starring John Cena is going down, 3 rounds, unanimous decision, cue Bisping calling out Anderson Silva once every 6 minutes afterwards

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2012 01:55 PM
Jones
Mighty Mouse
Stann
Hammil
Cub

Big Vic 09-06-2012 02:07 PM
Main event will be good, the fight it self might not be spectacular but i'm betting it will end with Jones KOing Belfort. KOs are always exciting.

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2012 02:41 PM
Quote:
Thursday, September 6, 2012
UFC 152 boom or bust for longshot Belfort
By Chad Dundas

Vitor Belfort has always been an all-or-nothing kind of guy.

Even by the volatile standards of mixed martial arts -- a sport where nearly everyone eventually gets a slice of humble pie -- Belfort's ride has been a special kind of roller coaster. One chock-full of skyscraper highs and particularly crushing lows.

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For a short time during the mid 1990s, he might have been the best in the world until UFC 15, when Randy Couture drew the world a map of how to beat him, and his legend has never really recovered.

Belfort went on to become champion, but he's also played the goat on numerous occasions. He's been called unbeatable, only to have his flaws exposed again and again. He's dished out some "Ultimate Knockouts" -- his 44-second blitzing of Wanderlei Silva at UFC Brazil comes to mind -- but last year also found himself on the receiving end of one of the sport's most electric KOs at the left foot of Anderson Silva.

At this rate, when it finally comes time to tell the story of Belfort's near 16-year run in MMA, he may be best remembered as a fighter who didn't quite live up to that early hype.

Unless … unless …

Do we even dare to dream it?

It would be disingenuous to imply that Belfort could erase the many past disappointments of his career with a single victory over Jon Jones. However, accepting a short-notice shot at Jones' light heavyweight title at UFC 152 does give him a once-in-a-lifetime chance to strike a resounding blow for his legacy.

All he has to do is pull off one of the biggest upsets in UFC history.

Oddsmakers have made this the ultimate boom-or-bust opportunity for Belfort, installing "The Phenom" as the kind of prohibitive underdog we seldom see in MMA anymore.

Certainly not in the sport's premier organization.

Certainly not in a pay-per-view main event.

The 7-to-1 odds against Belfort (and the -1,000 betting line in favor of Jones) aren't necessarily historic, but as the marquee bout on such a high-profile card, you have to do some digging to find their equal. Welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre was a comparable favorite against Matt Serra at UFC 69; ditto for Fedor Emelianenko when he took on Fabricio Werdum in Strikeforce in 2010.

Spoiler alert: The only reason anyone remembers those odds is obviously because Serra and Werdum pulled off unbelievable upsets. Had they not, well, they'd merely be the answers to trivia questions now. Or worse, the punch lines of jokes.

Belfort faces a similar situation against Jones.

Nobody, for example, remembers that Dan Hardy was a 5-to-1 underdog against GSP at UFC 111 or that Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos went off at an amazing -2,500 against Jan Finney on the undercard of the Emelianenko-Werdum fight. Hardy and Finney were dogs who didn't bark, and their golden opportunities were quickly forgotten.

If Belfort wins, it'll be one for the history books. He can punch his ticket into every celebratory photo slideshow, retrospective and end-of-the-year awards piece on every MMA website worth its salt. He'll also be the UFC's 205-pound champion, which would be a pretty nice perk for a guy who doesn't even fight in that weight class anymore. Fans who were either optimistic or foolhardy enough to pay to tune in to UFC 152 can likewise brag to their friends that they were watching the night Belfort shocked the world.

If he loses, he'll disappear into the ether alongside Hardy and Finney and every other failed longshot matchmakers have drummed up when they couldn't find anyone else to fight their dominant champions. Belfort will go back to the middleweight division as a slightly more tarnished version of his already tarnished self and "that time Vitor fought Bones" will simply be another of the sport's many cautionary tales.

Safe to say Belfort already knows as much as he cares to about going for it all and coming up empty.

Crimson 09-06-2012 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3968090)
by the power of tea and crumpets, The Marine not starring John Cena is going down, 3 rounds, unanimous decision, cue Bisping calling out Anderson Silva once every 6 minutes afterwards
lol that actually makes too much sense for it not to happen. Bisping has looked good lately, might not have enough to finish Stann but by unanimous dec.

CSL 09-06-2012 07:27 PM
uh huh, they don't call me Super Moddddd for nothing

especially Next Big Thing, he can't get enough of my modding

Savio 09-06-2012 07:40 PM
Bisping hasn't ever beaten any big names

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2012 09:11 PM
Leban
Sexyama
Dan Miller
Matt Hamill
Mayhem Miller
Dennis Kang


His most impressive fight IMO was taking Rashad to a decision..

Next Big Thing 09-06-2012 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3968445)
uh huh, they don't call me Super Moddddd for nothing

especially Next Big Thing, he can't get enough of my modding
If you're going to type my name, type it in standard TPWW yellow, not your jizz white font. I'm the People's Mod. I don't try to stand out from them because I am them.

CSL 09-06-2012 09:32 PM
pffftttt standard TPWW yellow, the red forum layout is so two thousand and late. Everybody without font tags has a nice dull white

Savio 09-06-2012 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 3968546)
Leban
Sexyama
Dan Miller
Matt Hamill
Mayhem Miller
Dennis Kang


His most impressive fight IMO was taking Rashad to a decision..
Leban is Decent
"Sexyama" is over.
Matt Hamill is Decent
Mayhem fought like a joke
Kang is not a big name
He took the loss to Rashad

Savio 09-06-2012 09:52 PM
He almost beat Chael though but I think Chael was off his game that night.

MoFo 09-06-2012 10:19 PM
He did beat Chael, it was a flat out robbery.

Savio 09-06-2012 10:43 PM
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Krimzon7 09-07-2012 09:52 PM
BIsbing has been mint lately. Even in his loss. But holy fuck brian stann is ready for this fight.

Next Big Thing 09-08-2012 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MoFo (Post 3968603)
He did beat Chael, it was a flat out robbery.
I actually thought he beat Sonnen too. Chael looked gassed by the end and if it went 5 I think Bisping would have definitely taken the decision.

Jura 09-08-2012 04:00 PM
Both men looked mediocre but I thought Bisping won too. I think Sonnen is pretty unspectacular unless he has an opponent/fight that drives him to be better, for example Anderson Silva.

Big Vic 09-13-2012 09:47 AM
Does anyone know anything about Hamills new opponent?

CSL 09-13-2012 11:37 AM
whoa that just "triggered" the memory that Matt Hamill was in a dream I had last night and was cut (as in "busted open") during the weigh ins

Jura 09-13-2012 04:56 PM
Did he just randomly bust open or did something happen?

CSL 09-13-2012 05:35 PM
somebody must have done it because people were kicking off at somebody saying they'd ruined the fight, bit vague I know

Savio 09-15-2012 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dana White
"I was driving off the freeway, I had just landed and called him and told him what Sonnen said and he f***ing laughed," White said in describing Jones' initial reaction to the Sonnen offer. "It wasn't like, 'Whoa f***ing this might be the biggest mistake of my f***ing career.' I thought we had a f***ing fight. He was laughing and was like 'Alright I'm going to call my team and call you back in a little while.' And then they call back and it was a completely different f***ing story. It was the genius Greg Jackson that talked him out of the fight. Talked him out of fighting Chael Sonnen on eight days f***ing notice, yet fighting Vitor Belfort off a full f***ing camp."
Dana sounds like a huge idiot there.

Next Big Thing 09-16-2012 03:25 PM
It's basically Dana realizing he still has to promote Jones's fights and that he fucked up by railroading his next big superstar. Now he's just going to put it all on Greg Jackson talking him out of it. It's not like Jones told him okay I'll do it and then called back later and backed out. Jones saying "Alright I'm going to call my team and call you back in a little while," should have given him some indication that it wasn't all a lock and while I'm not the biggest Greg Jackson fan, look at his track record coaching fighters. Why wouldn't Jones listen to his coach over the promoter?

Next Big Thing 09-16-2012 03:32 PM
Jones should just embrace being the bad guy. If he does that and continues to eat his opponent's hearts he'll be alright. Some of Nike's most marketable stars are also the most "hated" by fans in their respective sports (Kobe, LeBron, Vick).

CSL 09-16-2012 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 3979377)
It's basically Dana realizing he still has to promote Jones's fights and that he fucked up by railroading his next big superstar. Now he's just going to put it all on Greg Jackson talking him out of it. It's not like Jones told him okay I'll do it and then called back later and backed out. Jones saying "Alright I'm going to call my team and call you back in a little while," should have given him some indication that it wasn't all a lock and while I'm not the biggest Greg Jackson fan, look at his track record coaching fighters. Why wouldn't Jones listen to his coach over the promoter?
he pretty much put all of the blame on Jackson straight away during the initial conference call when the cancellation was announced

Savio 09-16-2012 05:32 PM
I was reffering to this sentence "....Talked him out of fighting Chael Sonnen on eight days f***ing notice, yet fighting Vitor Belfort off a full f***ing camp."

I think any fighter would want a full training camp against their opponent, although when I made that post I see I quoted the wrong paragraph, i meant to quote this one:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmatorch
"Ok, we were gonna fight Dan Henderson, guy's got f***ing knockout power, great wrestling, a good chin, tough f***ing guy. Now here's Chael Sonnen on eight days notice and he's a f***ing 185 pounder, coming in with no camp whatsoever. And you heard what they said: he's a southpaw. Vitor Belfort's a f***ing southpaw. And hits f***ing harder, and is faster and more explosive. So you're gonna f***ing say no to him on eight days notice but fight [Vitor]. It's so stupid that it gets me angry."
He could just be in promotion mode to promote the fight.

Next Big Thing 09-16-2012 10:09 PM
As an aside, the Jones family might have one badass weekend if everything goes right. Jones fights Saturday in Canada then he can fly down to Baltimore and watch both of his brothers start in the primetime game on NBC. Not a bad family tree if you ask me.

Krimzon7 09-17-2012 10:03 PM
The Jones family has some sick genetics.

Big Vic 09-18-2012 09:26 AM
Have a bad feeling Belfort is going to get injured before saturday.

Jura 09-18-2012 12:52 PM
Who cares about the Jones family and their traits.

Savio 09-18-2012 01:51 PM
They should have a 6-man tag match, Jones and his bros vs Dana, Sonnen, Belfort.

Next Big Thing 09-21-2012 09:00 AM
I'm really excited about this card. I couldn't care less about Matt Hamill, but every other fight should be good. Jon Jones against Belfort isn't intriguing because Vitor has an ice cube's chance in hell, it's more like the anatomy of an execution. I want to see how Jones finishes him.

Big Vic 09-21-2012 09:09 AM
Rashad has been helping Vitor train but I still see a 2nd Round KO coming.

Savio 09-22-2012 10:31 PM
Surprised they didn't stop the fight there.....even though those punches weren't to hard.

CSL 09-22-2012 11:18 PM
FUCK YEAH Bisping

Road Warrior 09-22-2012 11:20 PM
I knew Pip was gonna win, damn it

CSL 09-23-2012 12:11 AM
Jon Jones is a fucking beast but if Vitor somehow plants one on him here, I'm going apeshit

CSL 09-23-2012 12:13 AM
oofff heat for JBJ

CSL 09-23-2012 12:14 AM
he should def. just embrace being a heel ala Mayweather

CSL 09-23-2012 12:23 AM
lol John McCarthy all "well, you wanna play your games!" like he'd have just been like "meh" if Vitor landed that head kick at the start

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 12:33 AM
Jones is fighting kind of wreckless. He might end up tapping if he's not careful.

CSL 09-23-2012 12:33 AM
the more I see of Greg Jackson, the more he kind of comes off like a creepy cult leader

CSL 09-23-2012 12:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 3985349)
Jones is fighting kind of wreckless. He might end up tapping if he's not careful.
now you've said that he'll finish the fight in this round

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 12:41 AM
Fuck yeah! Hell of a fight.

CSL 09-23-2012 12:41 AM
and bang, kimura out of nowhere

CSL 09-23-2012 12:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 3985356)
Fuck yeah! Hell of a fight.
dunno if I'd go that far. Reminded me of playing UFC on the PS3 and not throwing big bombs because I'm tired of knocking guys out

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 12:45 AM
Ahhh. When I saw that other dude put the belt on Jones, I thought he and Dana were still beefing. Not a bad pop for Jones. He's got more Cena heat than full on heel in my opinion.

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 12:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3985359)
dunno if I'd go that far. Reminded me of playing UFC on the PS3 and not throwing big bombs because I'm tired of knocking guys out
Compared to Jones's last three fights it was pretty good. Vitor's armbar made it at least interesting. With the rest of them, it pretty much felt like it was just a matter of time. I guess hell of a fight compared to most other Jones fights.

Fuck your PS3 by the way csl.

James Steele 09-23-2012 12:50 AM
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CSL 09-23-2012 12:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 3985363)
Compared to Jones's last three fights it was pretty good. Vitor's armbar made it at least interesting. With the rest of them, it pretty much felt like it was just a matter of time. I guess hell of a fight compared to most other Jones fights.

Fuck your PS3 by the way csl.
don't see what my poor PS3 did to you. Completely unwarranted attack.

James Steele 09-23-2012 12:57 AM
I just read his Wiki page and his bio on Jackson MMA's website. How did Greg Jackson become such a force as a coach/trainer? His bio just said that he studied martial arts forever and then combined a bunch of shit into his own martial art in 1992. Did he just start training guys once UFC started in the 90s and had success with those guys and it grew into the monster it is today?

Savio 09-23-2012 12:58 AM
Nah I'm sick of your PS3 too. Fuck that shit!

CSL 09-23-2012 01:01 AM
feel like I may have to team with my PS3 here for a huge tag team bonanzapaloozafest

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 01:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 3985367)
I just read his Wiki page and his bio on Jackson MMA's website. How did Greg Jackson become such a force as a coach/trainer? His bio just said that he studied martial arts forever and then combined a bunch of shit into his own martial art in 1992. Did he just start training guys once UFC started in the 90s and had success with those guys and it grew into the monster it is today?
I'm not entirely sure on this so don't quote me, but I think he first got real attention because he trained Diego Sanchez since he was a kid and Diego is Mr. Ultimate Fighter. Rashad Evans and GSP joining up gave him more credibility and he's kind of been coasting since.

Dana is right when he says Jackson is more of a politician/ business man though. Jackson's "martial art" that he developed is bullshit. He had great coaches on his staff like Mike Von Arsdale (wrestling) and Winklejohn (Muay Thai). Then he created a network with Renzo Gracie, Grudge Gym in Denver (Shane Carwin), Tri-Star (GSP) and Phil Nurse (Muay Thai Coach-God). Those guys do the real training, bu Jackson gets the credit because his name was on the door and he does the most interviews.

Again, that's just my recollection mixed with a little bit of personal opinion. Not sure if it's entirely accurate.

CSL 09-23-2012 01:11 AM
yah, heard the "you got big because of Diego" thing more than once

James Steele 09-23-2012 01:12 AM
Sweet. I love Diego Sanchez.

James Steele 09-23-2012 01:16 AM
Still weird because Diego wasn't even "the star" of TUF1 and while he has had a good run in UFC he hasn't ever been "the face of MMA".

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 01:36 AM
True. But Rashad joined Jackson's after he won TUF 2 so I think that got him some extra credibility too.

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 03:14 PM
It's kind of funny that Swanson got KO of the Night and Jones got Submission of the Night after Dana trashed Jacksons and called him a sport killer.

MoFo 09-23-2012 04:20 PM
I screamed liek a little bitch when Belfort got the armbar and woke my mates baby up.

Kinda pissed off that the crowd booed DMJ/Benavidez b/c I thought it was FOTN (or Grant/Dunham)

That guy who Hamill fought was fucking garbage, like a rly shit Phil Baroni.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 09-23-2012 04:49 PM
I would not have booed the Flyweight fight, but it wasn't a Fight Of The Night contender. While both men were fast and technical, it never looked like either of them would hurt the other standing. Fights are made more exciting by the element of danger that was missing.

Next Big Thing 09-23-2012 04:53 PM
I hope Dodson wins his title eliminator because a fight between him and DMJ would be fireworks. Dodson would make a good champion with his charisma as well, although that would mean another title for Greg "Sport Killer" Jackson's stable.


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