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I'm kind of thinking the WWE could put the WWE Title on John Cena at Survivor Series
I know a lot of people won't like that idea, but I'm starting to think that it might be the right move for the WWE to make heading into 2013. CM Punk is a fantastic performer, but I think he's done about as much as he is going to do in this reign as WWE Champion. Now it feels like they are keeping the WWE Title on him just for the sake of keeping it on him.
CM Punk is a heel. It's his job to put the faces over, so that the faces can make a lot of money. While Punk vs. Rock might be an IWC dream match, of sorts, is Cena vs. Rock II the bigger deal? A lot of people think that it will happen at WrestleMania XXIX, but I just can't see that going down. It's a case of "been there, done that" as far as "biggest attractions of the night" go. Cena vs. Rock as a Royal Rumble WWE Title match, though? Now that would be absolutely huge. Punk's character would also be quite intriguing without the WWE Title. Your average fan would be absolutely rabid to heckle him if he came out dethroned. We would get an absolutely possessed CM Punk chasing the belt back. Punk would also be a very strong pick for Royal Rumble Winner, which is something that could really add credibility to his persona seeking respect -- especially if he enters the Rumble from quite a low number. Is keeping the WWE Title on CM Punk through Survivor Series and TLC just the WWE spinning its wheels? |
I don't think the WWE knows what the hell it is doing with anybody to be honest. The last 2/3 shows don't make any sense at all.
They should really be ashamed of themselves. But to your point, I don't really care if CM Punk has the WWE title, it doesn't really matter who has it to be honest. |
I honestly believe that Cena will win the title before the Rumble, lose to Rock at the Rumble, perhaps with Punk interference because HE wanted to face the Rock, Punk wins the Rumble, then faces Rock at Mania and Rock puts him over.
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I can't see any way in hell Punk goes over Rock at Mania. When he was still a face I was hoping for it but heel Punk over Rock at Mania doesn't sound right at all. Plus that situation kinda leaves Cena out of the loop as he would lose to Rock for a second time which is pointless. Unless you do it just to build up Punk-Cena since Punk cost him the match but then you're moving to Punk vs Rock at Mania?
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I think Punk-Rock obviously has to happen considering they laid the groundwork for it quite blatantly. I don't think Rock's gonna have a match at Elimination Chamber. I also think Rock can't hold the title past WrestleMania if he does win it since it would get into a situation of your champion not being around to defend the title.
So with all that being said, I think it has to be Rock-Punk at the Rumble so Rock can either lose there via interference from someone to set up a WrestleMania match or win it and lose it to someone at WrestleMania. |
Rock could easily leave Wrestlemania as WWE Champion.
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It would be kinda wasteful to have Punk lose the title in a 3 way without having the blow off for the Cena/Punk fued. Unless they plan on doing it at whatever the December ppv is, in which case Cena would have the belt going into RR anyway. Then again that kinda kills Punk vs. Rock that they've been building so who the fuck knows at this point.
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Actually Punk+Rock will form a tag called Duane and Phil and will challenge for the WWE tag team belts against 3MB at WM.
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The Rock is a Paul Heyman guy. ;)
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I'd rather see Heath Slater have a run with the title than have Cena hold the belt again for any length of time.....
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kinda dramatic there, fives.
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This seems very viable. Let's also not forget Ziggler and his MITB. Or is his MITB only for the WHC? Can't remember anymore since Ziggler is all over the place. Part of me says Ziggler's gimmick would have him cash in @ WM because he would want the biggest spotlight, but at the same time, not wanting to taint a WM title match..... I dunno! |
I *think* from what little attention I pay to these things, Ziggler can only cash in on the World Heavyweight Title.
I think that, or at least would like to see, Punk retain at Survivor Series and solidify a one-year streak with the belt. Going with it for however long he's had it now is good, but if he loses before 365 days, he just becomes "that guy who nearly held the belt for a year that one time." After that, I don't care if he drops the title at the following Raw if it makes things interesting. Rock/Punk, Rock/Cena, Cena/Punk. I'd estimate we're getting at least two of the three combinations over the course of Royal Rumble through Wrestlemania and I'd be happy with any of them. |
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Or do you think they're just gonna say "fuck it" and have the WWE Championship disappear for months on end? |
They put themselves in a corner by saying rock vs champ at rr. Punk vs Rock would be great, but it should be at WM.
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I really can't see anything but 2 things happening, either Rock beats Punk at the Rumble and loses to Cena at Wrestlemania, or Cena beats Punk at Survivor series, then beats the Rock at the Rumble, then beats him at Wrestlemania to go 2-1.I can't see Rock leaving Wrestlemania with the belt under any circumstances.
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Also, I never said I disagreed. |
Rock wins at the Rumble, Cena wins the EC to earn the WWE Title shot, Punk uses his rematch clause to make it a triple threat, Cena wins at Mania.
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I still say... Punk beats Rock at RR after Miz interferes (talks about Rock always taking his spotlight) Cena wins The Rumble, Miz over Rock at Mania, Cena "Finally" beats Punk at Mania
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I really don't think the guy who has lost four televised matches to Kofi Kingston in the last month including losing the IC Title to him is on his way to getting the prized spot of facing the Rock at WrestleMania. Probably gonna be someone who is at least currently a main eventer.
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Think its more likely Ryback would win it before Cena but if the WWE was smart, Punk holds onto that title going into the December 3rd RAW. The amount of hype and significance of Punk having a chance to break Cena's length would make that one of the biggest regular RAWs in years.
In terms of The Rock's status, I could see him winning it at the Rumble only to lose it the following month to give him a symbolic reign like Hogan in 2002. The Rock can use his rematch clause for Mania against Punk/Cena with either Cena pulling the "your not great yet" card again to get involved or Punk trying to weasel his way (Heyman as GM?) making the Mania match a Triple Threat. Rather use the Rumble spot on a Smackdown wrestler since its going to benefit that side more than this year since Punk and/or Cena is taking the main event spot for the RAW side at Mania. |
They've done the "Give the Rumble win to the lesser of the WrestleMania title challengers just for shock value" thing a lot lately. Sheamus instead of Jericho, Del Rio instead of Cena, Edge instead of Cena...
I guess it's cool because it makes the rumble less predictable but it also cheapens it a little because the winner ends up just going after a lesser title. |
Jey Uso wins the rumble, challenges Rock for a match at Mania. Book it.
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Since 2006, only Randy Orton in 2009 has closed out a Mania with the Rumble title shot. I would like to see that change, and for the Rumble Winner to start being the guy to get the title shot at WrestleMania again. If they do Rock vs. Cena II, for example, I absolutely think they should give Cena his second Rumble to set up the match. The secondary title challenger gets the secondary title build. It's seemed backwards for quite a few years now. |
Punk wins at Survivor Series and Humiliates and destroys Mick Foley for the WWE Championship at TLC. This would set it up perfect for the Punk/Rock Royal Rumble match we first thought about at Raw 1000.
Punk: I beat Ryback, Cena and your best friend and now I'm gonna beat you Duane. Best in the World! Rock: Just bring it. Huge buy for Rumble. |
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They could put the title on Cena. WWE will know themselves about 2.5 hours into the PPV.
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2.5 hours in? That would be about mid-match.
Sounds about right. |
Nah, the match won't start until that point. They'll send Brodus out to reprise his extended Wrestlemania dance sequence role while they figure out what the finish will be.
Then they'll do that finish with no build-up. |
Faces can't win all the time.
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lol. Where the hell did that thought come from?
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Of course they can! Look at the dominant babyfaces who control both world ti--
Hang on. |
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Hey, I know this is off the topic, but did anyone check out the Lanny Poffo interview that was posted a month ago?
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How about this?
-keep the title on CM Punk but have him win in complete screw job fashion over Cena and Ryback. Lesnar attacks Ryback while Cena also gets screwed some how. -same thing happens to Cena at the December PPV. -At Royal Rumble, CM Punk faces The Rock. John Cena tries to take out CM Punk during the match but accidentally nails The Rock instead (or, he actually does it on purpose). This sets up John Cena vs. The Rock part II at Mania. -CM Punk then faces Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania (winner of Royal Rumble). Steve Austin is the special guest referee. |
On an unrelated note, I think it would be cool if Barret went over Sheamus (for the title?) cleanly at Mania as well.
I'm a huge fan of Barret and his matches with Sheamus have been excellent. Not sure if this should happen though but I wouldn't mind seeing it. |
I really feel that the whole thing with Punk and King tonight will lead to King helping Cena get the belt Sunday...
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King probably shouldn't get involved. There would need to be retribution which I don't think he can handle.
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I'm now thinking that Punk will retain, but I'm not sure exactly what will go down. To be honest, I think the best thing the WWE could do, in all honesty, is for Dolph Ziggler to cost Cena the match. This stuff with AJ/Vickie/Dolph/Cena needs some sort of resolution, and I can see that happening at TLC, with CM Punk facing Mick Foley in that hardcore match. It would establish Punk vs. Rock nicely.
As for Ryback? I'm not really sure the WWE have any long term plans for him. He'll probably go over someone like Alberto Del Rio at TLC, and keep beating people en route to an impressive Royal Rumble showing, where his Mania opponent makes himself apparent by eliminating Ryback. |
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Also wondering if the WWE will have Ziggler "cash in" his title at Survivor Series and win the title.
For example - Moments after Cena defeats Punk at Survivor Series (while Lensar takes out Ryback), Ziggler unexpectedly cashes in and wins the title. At Royal Rumble, Ziggler faces The Rock. This then saves a potential Rock/Punk or Rock/Cena match for Wrestlemania. |
He can't since his case only can be used for the World title unless the WWE just randomly decides to change the MitB rules.
Cena already cashed in the WWE title case. |
Cena should have kept that briefcase and won the WWE title, and kept the case in case he lost the title, and his rematch.
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Ryback lovers will be glad to know that I've also been considering the potential star-making possibility of Ryback hitting the Double Shell-Shocked on Cena and Punk at Survivor Series and walking out the undisputed WWE Champion. I've decided against that, though, and instead think a slower build for Ryback will be more rewarding, long-term. And no -- that doesn't mean putting him against Lesnar at WrestleMania.
Wade Barrett and Heyman's "let's strike a deal" thing would seem to be irrelevant, with Punk now being out of that Survivor Series Elimination Match, but it would make total sense for Heyman to keep Barrett as an open channel, because Barrett has agreed to help Heyman in return for favours later. Barrett knocks out Ryback, looking like an absolute beast in the process, and Punk manages to retain the WWE Title by pinning Ryback again. Ryback DOES want revenge against Barrett, and he gets that at TLC. Barrett's been built up quite strongly recently, and him putting over Ryback would actually do some good for the former Nexus minion of Barrett. |
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Wade Barrett is the perfect foil for Ryback! Barrett can talk, and can thus sell the feud. Barrett's a legitimately tough guy, who could physically pose a kayfabe threat to Ryback, but his real advantage over Ryback would be his intelligence.
Look at all the profitable superheroes that are raking it in at the cinemas these days. When the villains are mirror-images of the hero, or are just bigger, better versions, they don't tend to as influential as a successful contrasting dynamic. |
That was more toward the "putting him over" part...
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A Ryback-Barrett feud would be fine. Just without the part where Ryback loses.
If you seriously want to build him out his losses should come very few and far between. Like with any main event face. And Barrett is not yet a guy you should be giving Ryback his first legit loss to. |
Speaking of Wade Barrret, I would have him go up against Sheamus at Mania.
After a hard fought match in which Sheamus barely wins, the two men shake each others hands out of respect. P.s._________im absolutely loving Barret by the way. I think his gimmick and look is tremendous. |
This is the first time I've actually seen Barrett as a potential main event heel and not just one of the plethora the generic heels that the internet wants to be a world champion asap.
It's amazing what a little bit of character depth can do. |
Totally agree. I want really a fan of his during Nexus, but I'm really digging his current stuff. His chemistry with Sheamus is tremendous and I'd like to see the WWE expand on that.
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