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Old 11-10-2012, 09:31 PM   #1
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I'm kind of thinking the WWE could put the WWE Title on John Cena at Survivor Series
I know a lot of people won't like that idea, but I'm starting to think that it might be the right move for the WWE to make heading into 2013. CM Punk is a fantastic performer, but I think he's done about as much as he is going to do in this reign as WWE Champion. Now it feels like they are keeping the WWE Title on him just for the sake of keeping it on him.

CM Punk is a heel. It's his job to put the faces over, so that the faces can make a lot of money. While Punk vs. Rock might be an IWC dream match, of sorts, is Cena vs. Rock II the bigger deal? A lot of people think that it will happen at WrestleMania XXIX, but I just can't see that going down. It's a case of "been there, done that" as far as "biggest attractions of the night" go. Cena vs. Rock as a Royal Rumble WWE Title match, though? Now that would be absolutely huge.

Punk's character would also be quite intriguing without the WWE Title. Your average fan would be absolutely rabid to heckle him if he came out dethroned. We would get an absolutely possessed CM Punk chasing the belt back. Punk would also be a very strong pick for Royal Rumble Winner, which is something that could really add credibility to his persona seeking respect -- especially if he enters the Rumble from quite a low number.

Is keeping the WWE Title on CM Punk through Survivor Series and TLC just the WWE spinning its wheels?
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:49 PM   #2
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I don't think the WWE knows what the hell it is doing with anybody to be honest. The last 2/3 shows don't make any sense at all.

They should really be ashamed of themselves.

But to your point, I don't really care if CM Punk has the WWE title, it doesn't really matter who has it to be honest.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:50 PM   #3
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I honestly believe that Cena will win the title before the Rumble, lose to Rock at the Rumble, perhaps with Punk interference because HE wanted to face the Rock, Punk wins the Rumble, then faces Rock at Mania and Rock puts him over.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:00 PM   #4
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I can't see any way in hell Punk goes over Rock at Mania. When he was still a face I was hoping for it but heel Punk over Rock at Mania doesn't sound right at all. Plus that situation kinda leaves Cena out of the loop as he would lose to Rock for a second time which is pointless. Unless you do it just to build up Punk-Cena since Punk cost him the match but then you're moving to Punk vs Rock at Mania?
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:05 PM   #5
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I think Punk-Rock obviously has to happen considering they laid the groundwork for it quite blatantly. I don't think Rock's gonna have a match at Elimination Chamber. I also think Rock can't hold the title past WrestleMania if he does win it since it would get into a situation of your champion not being around to defend the title.

So with all that being said, I think it has to be Rock-Punk at the Rumble so Rock can either lose there via interference from someone to set up a WrestleMania match or win it and lose it to someone at WrestleMania.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:49 AM   #6
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Rock could easily leave Wrestlemania as WWE Champion.
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It would be kinda wasteful to have Punk lose the title in a 3 way without having the blow off for the Cena/Punk fued. Unless they plan on doing it at whatever the December ppv is, in which case Cena would have the belt going into RR anyway. Then again that kinda kills Punk vs. Rock that they've been building so who the fuck knows at this point.
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:08 AM   #8
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Actually Punk+Rock will form a tag called Duane and Phil and will challenge for the WWE tag team belts against 3MB at WM.
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:17 AM   #9
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:25 AM   #10
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I'd rather see Heath Slater have a run with the title than have Cena hold the belt again for any length of time.....
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kinda dramatic there, fives.
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I honestly believe that Cena will win the title before the Rumble, lose to Rock at the Rumble, perhaps with Punk interference because HE wanted to face the Rock, Punk wins the Rumble, then faces Rock at Mania and Rock puts him over.

This seems very viable.

Let's also not forget Ziggler and his MITB. Or is his MITB only for the WHC? Can't remember anymore since Ziggler is all over the place. Part of me says Ziggler's gimmick would have him cash in @ WM because he would want the biggest spotlight, but at the same time, not wanting to taint a WM title match..... I dunno!
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:45 AM   #13
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I *think* from what little attention I pay to these things, Ziggler can only cash in on the World Heavyweight Title.

I think that, or at least would like to see, Punk retain at Survivor Series and solidify a one-year streak with the belt. Going with it for however long he's had it now is good, but if he loses before 365 days, he just becomes "that guy who nearly held the belt for a year that one time."

After that, I don't care if he drops the title at the following Raw if it makes things interesting. Rock/Punk, Rock/Cena, Cena/Punk. I'd estimate we're getting at least two of the three combinations over the course of Royal Rumble through Wrestlemania and I'd be happy with any of them.
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Rock could easily leave Wrestlemania as WWE Champion.
Do you think Rock is actually gonna stick around and be on Raw, PPVs and house shows to defend the title/continue having feuds?

Or do you think they're just gonna say "fuck it" and have the WWE Championship disappear for months on end?
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They put themselves in a corner by saying rock vs champ at rr. Punk vs Rock would be great, but it should be at WM.
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kinda dramatic there, fives.
I'm not kidding.
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:45 PM   #17
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I really can't see anything but 2 things happening, either Rock beats Punk at the Rumble and loses to Cena at Wrestlemania, or Cena beats Punk at Survivor series, then beats the Rock at the Rumble, then beats him at Wrestlemania to go 2-1.I can't see Rock leaving Wrestlemania with the belt under any circumstances.
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Rock wins at the Rumble, Cena wins the EC to earn the WWE Title shot, Punk uses his rematch clause to make it a triple threat, Cena wins at Mania.
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I still say... Punk beats Rock at RR after Miz interferes (talks about Rock always taking his spotlight) Cena wins The Rumble, Miz over Rock at Mania, Cena "Finally" beats Punk at Mania
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I really don't think the guy who has lost four televised matches to Kofi Kingston in the last month including losing the IC Title to him is on his way to getting the prized spot of facing the Rock at WrestleMania. Probably gonna be someone who is at least currently a main eventer.
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Rock wins at the Rumble, Cena wins the EC to earn the WWE Title shot, Punk uses his rematch clause to make it a triple threat, Cena wins at Mania.
This seems more and more logical the more I think about it. You can have Rock-Cena II basically without having the obvious "Cena gets his win back" outcome. If it's Rock-Cena, I don't think Rock going over again would make any sense and no one would really buy that Rock would just go over in a repeat of last year. Throw Punk in for a triple threat and it takes away the obvious outcome.
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Think its more likely Ryback would win it before Cena but if the WWE was smart, Punk holds onto that title going into the December 3rd RAW. The amount of hype and significance of Punk having a chance to break Cena's length would make that one of the biggest regular RAWs in years.

In terms of The Rock's status, I could see him winning it at the Rumble only to lose it the following month to give him a symbolic reign like Hogan in 2002. The Rock can use his rematch clause for Mania against Punk/Cena with either Cena pulling the "your not great yet" card again to get involved or Punk trying to weasel his way (Heyman as GM?) making the Mania match a Triple Threat.

Rather use the Rumble spot on a Smackdown wrestler since its going to benefit that side more than this year since Punk and/or Cena is taking the main event spot for the RAW side at Mania.
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They've done the "Give the Rumble win to the lesser of the WrestleMania title challengers just for shock value" thing a lot lately. Sheamus instead of Jericho, Del Rio instead of Cena, Edge instead of Cena...

I guess it's cool because it makes the rumble less predictable but it also cheapens it a little because the winner ends up just going after a lesser title.
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Jey Uso wins the rumble, challenges Rock for a match at Mania. Book it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:16 AM   #26
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They've done the "Give the Rumble win to the lesser of the WrestleMania title challengers just for shock value" thing a lot lately. Sheamus instead of Jericho, Del Rio instead of Cena, Edge instead of Cena...

I guess it's cool because it makes the rumble less predictable but it also cheapens it a little because the winner ends up just going after a lesser title.
I agree with this. Maybe I'm old fashioned this way, but I really enjoy the idea of the Royal Rumble Winner's title shot being the story for WrestleMania. The first year it wasn't was Rey Mysterio's win in 2006, which I felt was a mistake at the time. Personally, I think they should have gone with Chris Benoit as the Royal Rumble Winner, and for Angle vs. Benoit to headline WrestleMania 22, but even if they did stick with Rey as the choice for winner, I absolutely disagreed with the idea to put Orton in there with him and Angle. In the past, Angle and Rey had worked some magic matches against each other. Cena and Triple H didn't need to close the show. Triple H could have tapped out near the top of the card and Rey beating Angle in a classic could have closed it.

Since 2006, only Randy Orton in 2009 has closed out a Mania with the Rumble title shot. I would like to see that change, and for the Rumble Winner to start being the guy to get the title shot at WrestleMania again. If they do Rock vs. Cena II, for example, I absolutely think they should give Cena his second Rumble to set up the match. The secondary title challenger gets the secondary title build.

It's seemed backwards for quite a few years now.
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Punk wins at Survivor Series and Humiliates and destroys Mick Foley for the WWE Championship at TLC. This would set it up perfect for the Punk/Rock Royal Rumble match we first thought about at Raw 1000.

Punk: I beat Ryback, Cena and your best friend and now I'm gonna beat you Duane. Best in the World!

Rock: Just bring it.

Huge buy for Rumble.
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If they do Rock vs. Cena II, for example, I absolutely think they should give Cena his second Rumble to set up the match. The secondary title challenger gets the secondary title build.

It's seemed backwards for quite a few years now.
If they do wanna go Rock vs Cena II, I think it would tell a good story too for Cena to have to beat 29 other men and work his ass off and give everything he's got just to redeem himself against The Rock and take the WWE Title back.
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They could put the title on Cena. WWE will know themselves about 2.5 hours into the PPV.
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2.5 hours in? That would be about mid-match.

Sounds about right.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:45 PM   #32
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Nah, the match won't start until that point. They'll send Brodus out to reprise his extended Wrestlemania dance sequence role while they figure out what the finish will be.

Then they'll do that finish with no build-up.
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Of course they can! Look at the dominant babyfaces who control both world ti--

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I honestly believe that Cena will win the title before the Rumble, lose to Rock at the Rumble, perhaps with Punk interference because HE wanted to face the Rock, Punk wins the Rumble, then faces Rock at Mania and Rock puts him over.
I think it would make more sense if Rock beats Punk at the Royal Rumble, and puts Cena over at WM 29. Kind of a revenge thing for Cena, plus he become WWE Champ.
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Hey, I know this is off the topic, but did anyone check out the Lanny Poffo interview that was posted a month ago?
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:12 PM   #38
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How about this?

-keep the title on CM Punk but have him win in complete screw job fashion over Cena and Ryback. Lesnar attacks Ryback while Cena also gets screwed some how.

-same thing happens to Cena at the December PPV.

-At Royal Rumble, CM Punk faces The Rock. John Cena tries to take out CM Punk during the match but accidentally nails The Rock instead (or, he actually does it on purpose). This sets up John Cena vs. The Rock part II at Mania.

-CM Punk then faces Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania (winner of Royal Rumble). Steve Austin is the special guest referee.
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On an unrelated note, I think it would be cool if Barret went over Sheamus (for the title?) cleanly at Mania as well.

I'm a huge fan of Barret and his matches with Sheamus have been excellent.

Not sure if this should happen though but I wouldn't mind seeing it.
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I really feel that the whole thing with Punk and King tonight will lead to King helping Cena get the belt Sunday...
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