Are they starting to bury Daniel Bryan? *SPOILERS*
 

Looking at the latest results for Smackdown, I'm getting a little concerned about the booking of Daniel Bryan these last two weeks. I understand it's early days and the idea is to get heat on Triple H and Randy Orton, and for the crowd to root even harder for Bryan to win. But he has spent every show since Summerslam getting beaten down, isn't this going to ruin how over he is as eventually the fans will tire of him not getting any ofdensive on Orton and HHH. I may be on my own here but is anyone a little concerned with how theyre booking Bryan, unless he wins at NOC, he hasnt come out of this looking strong at all. I worry his pop will eventually start to die down.

If they wanted to bury Daniel Bryan he wouldn't be on TV or at least he'd be having matches on Superstars or NXT.

It really is no wonder that WWE tries to cram entire storylines into one month when this is the reaction they get after only 2 weeks.

oh god. Really???

This thread is classic "doesn't know how wrestling works" material

Like I said in the spoilers, I'm a little worried that what they're doing with big show takes a little too much focus off Bryan, but we'll see.

Otherwise no, he's not being buried, calm down.

Daniel Bryan is in the introduction of Raw, the focal point of the show, is booked in three matches and the entire roster stands at the top of the ramp to watch his matches. I can't even remember his name.

Hopefully.

I get how wrestling works, I just don't think it's the strongest booking you could give him. He's the corner stone of the show no doubt, but if he keeps getting beaten down all the time without actually finishing a show on top, eventually people will lose faith in him.

Cena overcomes the odds every night and people bitch.

Daniel Bryan doesn't overcome the odds when it's not reasonable and people complain.


Bryan is the underdog. People are behind him, and more people are getting behind him. People want to see him take down Orton, he's basically where he needs to be.

Apparently you have never heard of rickie Morton if you think you can't become a top face by getting beat down.

If Ryback pinned him I would have agreed but Ryback lost because of DQ.

Bryan is NOT getting the Rey Mysterio treatment

If Bryan was beating down four very strongly booked guys at once every week would that be better?

this.

thread starter needs to shut it

I kind of miss the old late 90s "Autin/Kane/Taker/Rock/Sting" shows up and clears t he whole ring segements.

Like Austin comes out and throws down 15-20 Stunners in about 2 minutes while guys wait their spot in line to eat one.

But that would be pure stupid right now.

Faces have to beat everyone every time, and Heels can never win they can only get beat up and be chickenshit heels.

The Universe has spoken.

Its just an example of "oh shit Cena is hurt... we better ... think of something quick "

Lol @ everybody being a dick to the new guy for just starting a decently intelligent thread...

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There's a difference between Daniel Bryan catching beatdowns when the odds are overwhelmingly against him and "being booked weak".

Examples of weak booking are when Punk was champion, but REPEATEDLY LOSING CLEAN nearly every week in non-title main events. Takes bite out of claiming to be the "best in the world" when he was repeatedly counting lights. When Christian started that "one more match" thing (bearng in mind he was a heel... that already didn't help), it made him look weak because the kept blowing his chances and loopholing his way into another title match only to lose again and again. If he were champion and retaining by shady circumstance, it would have gotten te heat they were looking for. Instead, it made him look like a whiny pussy who didn't deserve a chance in spite of winning the damned thing twice.

Bryan fearlessly putting up a good fight in the face of an impending quadruple team butt whipping with nobody able to help because of HHH's threats just makes Bryan look like the most baddest of asses. He's not flat-out jobbing to people way down the card, either. The Shield has been booked to be a force to be reconed with since day one. All 4 men kicking Bryan's ass are currently holding gold. Individually againstthem, he's holding his own and against The Shield, he has defended himself ALONE in a stronger showing than Mark Henry or even The Undertaker have in the same sitch.

Daniel Bryan will outpop DX eight times over when he finally wins, as it'll be a big screw you to not just Orton, but the entire system in place to keep him down. He'll be fine.

Thanks, I appreciate that, I've actually been a member here since 2004 though. Though I rarely post. People get too offended and try too hard to be intelligent and all knowing. In the end guys, we're a bunch of people posting on a wrestling forum, just saying. Who are you impressing?

But yeah, mainly I feel WWE is booking Bryan badly because I feel he needs to get back at the corporation. Perhaps that will come in time, but at the moment it's frustrating seeing him get beat down every raw/Smackdown. If he wins at NOC, fair play. If he doesn't...not a good month for him.

I apologise again for expressing my opinion. Continue to cry.

Bare in mind, some TPWW posters are actually here to discuss wrestling and I respect that, the ones who get upset and feel the need to be superior...go ahead...

The thing is, the angle is 3 WEEKS OLD. How long did Vince McMahon fuck with Steve Austin before Austin finally gave him that first Stunner?

the angle has JUST started.

lol be quiet.

Lol nah you're alright.

I don't nec think that they're gonna follow through with a great angle, they tend to lose focus. But if you have him get beat down for a while, while continuously being a thorn in "the corporation's" side, the fans will be frothing at the mouth for him to elbow and knee motherfuckers in the mouth, and if they do things right and he delivers that first devestating beat down, or wins the championship, then it'll be worth it.

WWE angles always seem to lose focus.

Which I said. But that doesn't mean hotshotting the angle will make it any better.

So, at the risk of my comment being labeled a "joke," is Bryan being "buried" in the same way CM Punk was in the "doghouse?" This is what I infer from the comments, that he lost once and people are suddenly freaking out because of it.

Which is pretty much both the origin of CM Punk being "in the doghouse" and all the "doghouse" jokes.

I feel I used too many quotes. Maybe I'm turning into Triple A.

Vince didn't really have Austin beat down in the beginning of their angle, its quite different. In fact I think Austin attacked him first.

My point is that they didn't hotshot the angle, not who attacked who first.

I don't think they should either, and I don't think he is getting buried aswell, I do understand peoples concerns however.

I heard a rumor that Daniel Bryan is in the doghouse.

(CM Punk is still there too)

No since the storyline only recently started and right now is focused on getting the crowd to really hate Orton and Triple H. The crowd still pops for both Orton and Triple H which is what the WWE doesn't want right now.

Bryan's payback is going to occur a lot slower than Cena who sort of ruined the "overcoming the odds" thing by doing it soo much and very quickly into feuds.

The whole Austin thing only had Raw to work with. I am fine with Smackdown not progressing the storyline, in a significant manner. The whole storyline could be left off Smackdown and I would be fine with it.

There should be the main Raw and Smackdown storyline. You know, the whole two separate belt thing.

It's been 2 weeks, way too early to make any judgement. I understand the concern. We all know that the nWo got boring after beating down people at the end of every show for over a year, but again, it's only been 2 weeks. If they keep doing this 2 months down the line, then we may have a problem.

I've mentioned this on the podcast before, but in the long-term, this feud is absolute gold (if they don't screw it up and job Bryan out at the last second to make way for Cena once he's healthy again). Pairing Orton with a corporate heel Triple H (and not a cheer-for-him-anyway "cool heel" Trips, but a full-on power-abusing asshole Trips) and having him steal the title away from Bryan makes for a perfect heel for both the smark and mark crowds: the marks hate him because he's a bad guy who stole the title, the smarks hate him because collectively with the McMahon clan, they represent everything wrong with the business. And Bryan is the perfect counter to that-- the "YES!" stuff and his tag team run with Kane got him over with the marks, and he's already been over with the smarks thanks to years of classic matches both in WWE and in the indies. So you've got a feud that just about everyone can get behind.

And a big part of that is that early on, Bryan has to get denied. He has to face long odds and get visibly put down by the McMahon Dynasty, so that when he does finally work his way back to Orton and make him tap out, it will be that much sweeter (again, assuming they don't just go "Oh look, Cena's back, time for another Cena/Orton feud!") because right now we're basically seeing played out on screen something that we all kind of assume happens backstage anyway--a crony of Trips or Vince getting a push he doesn't deserve and more talented wrestlers getting buried to make him look good-- and then Bryan ultimately winning will be a cathartic "breaking the cycle" moment.

That said......my absolute favorite wrestler in the world has ended the show getting KO'ed by my absolute least favorite wrestler in the world for four shows straight, so......yeah, it's kind of a bitter pill to swallow at the moment.

Remember when Punk's first loss in the WWE went to Hardcore Holly, and people thought that was it for him.

OR when Punk lost to Kane at the PPV after winning MITB and everyone flipped out

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*batista pyro goes off behind me*

Honestly, I dont think Bryan will ever be as big as tjat night at Summerslam now. These past two RAWs have completely sucked all of his momentum away. Now the Big Show thing. Guys, they made a mistake. It isn't too late to correct, but this has been really awful booking since SS. Like irresponsible. The fans were so ravenous and retribution seeking after SS and now it is getting progressively harder to care as the heels are getting the upper hand every week. The iron is luke warm right now when it was white hot only two weeks ago.

Really?

It wouldn't really be a very fun angle if Bryan instantly got the better of a heel stable consisting of 5 very strongly booked guys. He obviously will get the upper hand eventually, but don't they really need to build up the threat to make it even mean anything?

Also Triple H and Orton were two pretty huge faces so they kinda need to make them seem like huge dickheads to stop people cheering for them. Seems like it's all been solid so far. Hasn't it only been like two weeks?

GIVE HIM ALL OF THE TITLES NOW

i'm not even sure who i'm making fun of. everybody. fuck off this with thread.

Orqueer really is stunningly awful at absolutely everything he does. How Worst Wrestling Ever has given him so many world title runs is mind-rottingly befuddling. He still struggles to get any kind of heat whatsoever outside of the idiot female fans who pop for his appearance.

You build to achieve reactions that Bryan was already getting months ago. That's what a build is for. Slowly building now is just taking away from momentum that Bryan already had. You don't need to build with a guy that's already at the pinnacle of his popularity.

Vince got stunned because he said he cared about Austin's neck and didn't want him to compete until he was ready. Austin started it.

Randy Orqueer

By saying somebody is that the pinnacle of their popularity, you're the one who is short changing Daniel Bryan. How do you know he couldn't become any more popular?

(yes, I know that includes me)
 

Everybody had it coming.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that I officially embrace Ron the Dial as king and retroactively change all of my votes to him--even in the brackets he wasn't involved in.

From PWINSIDER:


WWE is doing what they think will make Bryan a stronger name down the line. They see this as just the first chapter in a longer-running storyline involving Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, HHH and Bryan's pursuit of the WWE title. To me, it is dangerously similar to the storyline with CM Punk post-Summerslam 2011 with HHH and Kevin Nash involved. That scenario ended with Punk losing a lot of his momentum, forcing him to work really hard to get back to where he was. I really hope that in the end, Daniel Bryan doesn't have to go through the same journey. The crowd loves him and he works a tremendously entertaining style in the ring. If all of this leads to him eating a Pedigree and being pinned, it was a waste of time. If it leads to Bryan eventually winning the WWE title and having a nice run with it, I am all for the storyline. I just wish they had given his fans 24 hours to really savor the first title win. Instead, they switched the belt and killed that moment of joy and any potential PPV replay buys.

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So I'm not completely crazy then? That's exactly what I have been saying. In short, if Daniel Bryan ends this Raw on his back, be concerned. If he doesn't, all is forgiven!

Didn't everyone complain when Punk came back to early and said he shoulda had a few months 'away' with the title? Pretty sure there's a lot of folk here who grumble about the lack of long term booking anymore, and maybe I'm old fashioned but long term is longer than 3 weeks to me so not really seeing an issue with a guy getting beaten down by the US champ, the TAG champs, all 3 of which form a very dominant unit which was booked as unstoppable for months and the WWE champion and yet he's still booked strong and is allowed offense.

Lol would there really be people who would be savouring for 24 hours over a wrestler they liked being the champion? Can't imagine it would really affect people's days all that much

Just picturing some big fat St Jimmy guy, sweating away in an office at work in a miserable mood because a guy he liked isnt the WWE champion, hoping the next day will be better when he gets his revenge on Raw.

I mean if he was getting jobbed out to the combined force of Ryder, Bo Dallas and Hornswoggle every week then maybe I'd be concerned but he's getting beaten down by three guys who the company has made a point of showcasing as an effective cohesive unit who have went over every big name they've faced, including Cena/Rock/Undertaker etc.

Also how are they not "striking while the iron's hot?" It's not as though he's in a US title feud or just losing to any old midcarder. He's the protagonist in the main feud in the company, and a storyline that could well become one of their biggest in years if they go all out with a corporation-esque stable in the long term.

Threads like this are the reason so many people look down on IWC idiots.

The thought process is the sort of childish superhero league table that makes people like Cena always win

He is basing his complaints off what ifs. I do agree if he loses to the pedigree it is kind of retarded, but he HASN'T lost to the pedigree. And this whole angle has been planned for a while.

This is honestly why the IWC is considered retarded.

Or it's people who know that if this continues, Bryan's momentum could die down, it's happened before.

Look. If Daniel Bryan can recover from jobbing out to Sheamus in 18 seconds in the curtain jerker at wrestlemania, he'll be fine no matter what happens.

And I don't know... this isn't the fucking power rangers, we aren't 6-years-old. Bad guys need to get the heat, or else Bryan fucking them up won't mean anything.

I honestly wish people would just sit back and enjoy that one of the most talented guys in the business is getting a break, even if he isn't being booked as super man.

The HUGE difference between the Summer of Punk and the Summer of Bryan is that HHH is a heel now. When he was a face he was still pandering, trying to be cool, glomming the babyface reactions from Punk. Now that he's a heel, he's doing what he does best: BEING A HEEL.

Flair and the Horsemen had the upper hand constantly in Mid South. Faces don't need to stand tall every week.

On Smackdown he ran off the Shield and Orton by himself to save The Miz. Then he had Ryback beat clean until Orton caused the DQ, and Orton never even managed to get a shot in before Bryan had him in the Yes Lock, forcing the Shield to save him. Hardly making him look weak.

You folk and your common sense make me sick!

If there's a potential problem with Daniel Bryan, it's the pedestal effect. They find something popular, and in then trying to package it as popular, destroy it...

Cody Rhodes is popular in spite of his associating with Sandow. Splitting them apart and facing them off is a climax too early and they're left with nowhere to go.

Ziggler has building momentum, in part because of his cool stable. Once they notice he's popular? Remove him from his stable. AJ and Big E get to keep that momentum, Ziggler is left with nothing and nowhere to go.

Fandangoing. Hey, this is pretty cool, so let's get Grandad Lawler into the ring to TELL you to do that thing you were spontaneously doing.

I think it all depends on whether DB wins this feud. If he does, it's a great story of revenge. If he doesn't and Orton moves on to CM Punk, DB is damaged.

Why not just chill out and watch the show you like then? And see what happens. Rather than overanalysing it all before anything even happens.

I do watch it and enjoy it. But this is a discussion board...what else are we meant to discuss other than the storylines we're interested in?

this angle is good because they are making some of the iwc look like complete marks

it's amazing

Fair point.

Because the discussion is coming off as whining that your favourite wrestler isn't winning every match.

He isn't being buried at all though, he's allowed to look competitive against 3/4 guys before getting beaten down, all of whom hold titles and are presented as being dominant. But probably the biggest gripe everyone has with this thread is that it's only been 2/3 weeks since Summerslam.

I wouldn't necessarily call it whining when he's been beaten down and humiliated five shows in a row. But I can understand it's a bit early to be concerned, I just know that WWE have a history of not following angles through how they should.

But he looks strong, he's getting beaten down by a group of guys who took out the Undertaker/Rock/Cena/Big Show/Mark Henry etc. and the WWE champion, he's holding his own far longer than any of them did, I don't think you fully understand what being buried is.

The IWC doesn't need help on that front.

My understanding of being buried is being made to lose and look weak for a long time as to no longer look like a credible competitor. I know that's not the case with Bryan, but it's the term I used to mean "lose momentum".

i still find it hilarious though.

What if Bryan wins the RR and finally gets justice at WM30 as Cena returns to raise his and hand turn heel?


But yeah, Bryan #1 at RR and winning would be epic.

WHERE'S MY FUCKING PAYOFF

i think bryan looked really strong on smackdown, and so did orton/the shield. win win.

Everyone has looked fucking amazing in this. I totally don't get how Bryan has been "buried" at all. Didn't he technically beat the fucking Shield by himself on RAW? And then Ryback on SmackDown? The WWE is milking this chase for what it's worth.

Bryan will look like he has the title won at Night of Champions and then get screwed in a fashion that prevents him from walking out WWE Champion. Battleground can then feature Bryan vs. Triple H and Orton vs. Big Show for the WWE Title or something.

If he faces HHH he NEEDS to beat him. Mr. Small Package NEEDS to prevail. If HHH beats Bryan, even unclean, Vince is actually retarded.

I've got a feeling that Daniel Bryan will face Triple H at the Hell in a Cell PPV this year. I could see Bryan making Triple H tap out in his own match.

I think Triple H will put him over if they have a match.

Again, just a fucking ridiculous comment to make.

I truly hope to god that the WWE does NOT listen to the Internet Wrestling Community at ALL, and instead, focuses on the crowd reactions of their live target audience and Nielsen ratings as they were doing during the Attitude Era.

So legitimately annoyed right now. :foc:

Of course Bryan will eventually win the feud. I don't understand why you want him to win at NOC.

The IWC has always been a sort of perpetual, slow-mo train wreck.

And it is glorious.

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are they starting to bury paul bearer?
 

no, he was cremated.

after telling that joke, i feel as dirty as the undertaker when cm punk dumped those very same ashes on him. i'm ashamed of myself.

I never should have left TPWW.

Look at the nonsense going on. I would have squashed this thread like a bug.

You didn't even leave. You just lurked. You're no better than PorkSoda and owenbrown.

Now Droford on the other hand is a real man of honour.

It's all a matter of opinion, if you disagree with mine, that's fair enough! Considering there's been a number of articles talking about what I've been talking about, I'm clearly not the only one whose mind it has crossed! Having said that, I can see your point too however, it's called a debate!

Wahhhhhhh. Wahhhhhhhhhh.