Farenheit 911
 

Has anyone heard if this was going to be released in any way shape or form?

If it is, would you want to see it?

I know when Bowling for Columbine came out it was very polarizing, as Moore tends to be. I hope it gets released.

Of course it is. I thought the doubt over its release was just a stunt?

I'm not that eager to see it.

Well Disney holds the rights, and states it wasn't going to allow it's release. I've since lost track of what's going on with it.

If you're wondering about the movie you gotta read this: http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/#2

Moore: Bush Administration Is Trying To Ban My Film


Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has accused President George W. Bush's government of trying to thwart the creation and release of his documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. The Bowling For Columbine director told an audience at the Cannes Film Festival that the President's team feared the effect of the film - which exposes the links between the Bush and Bin Laden families - would spell disaster for the Republican party in the upcoming elections. Moore - who famously cried, 'Shame on you Mr Bush' as he received his Oscar in 2002 - is now hoping Miramax bosses Bob and Harvey Weinstein will distribute the film after Disney refused to. According to Moore, "someone connected to the White House, a top Republican" has put pressure on film companies not to release the movie. Moore explains, "The potential for this film to have an impact on the election was much larger than they thought. It is certainly something the Bush administration does not want people to see."

Well regardless of this video or not, I'm still not voting for him to be re elected.

Disney reached a deal with Miramax where Miramax would buy back the rights to the movie, and could sell it to another company to be distributed, like Lions Gate or something.

The movie is set for a July 2 release date for now.

Its premiering at Cannes sometime this week or something

Yeah it's today.

Farenheit 451?

It's a play on the name of Farenheit 451, but using 9/11 aka the date of the September 11th attacks

Moore can eat a big plate of crap.

Have you seen him lately? I thionk he has eaten quite a few. The last pic i saw of him was disgusting. You know how a baby has little rolls of flesh at the wrists and the loses it later? HE STILL HAS THEM!

It was widely proven that Bowling....... had tons of false crap in the movie. I wonder how much of this one will be complete horse****?

I agree but I give credit where it is due. The film was well-made and interesting, IMO.

Here's a site I found that points out the false claims of Bowling For Columbine. Pretty interesting and makes you realize some of the things Moore did.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Michael Moore is the man, stfu.

If you consider a lying fat bastard who jumps on the bandwagon for everything the man, then yeah, he's the man.

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bah, i think some people are so quick to bash moore and his style that they lose sight of the mesage which is a very valid one and worth listening to. don't forget that part of his role is to entertain and generate interest as well putting forth arguements and ideas that would support his point of view. people might take issue with his delivery but imo the points raised are still very importatnt and worth listening to. i will probably check out his movie and considering the political climate of the states, it's a very gutsy move to make a movie of that nature.

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I’m interested in seeing the footage of human rights abuses by Coalition forces that are reported to be featured in this film. The very fact that it includes footage of troops engaged in battle and the aftermath of their actions is something which I’m sure will sway votes in America.

The other thing I’m looking forward to seeing is the Bush/Bin Laden/Saud finance investigation. I’m wondering if Moore has uncovered anything more explosive than the investigations by Greg Palast.

Moore isn't "the man" really.

Like I guess he is using his "fame" as a platform to get his message across, but a lot of times he is not telling us things that we don't already know.

I saw this one segment of his, I think it was from his TV show from a few years back, and it was showing how there is racial profiling (especially towards blacks) by police in a lot of the U.S.

Gee thanks, Mike, that whole Rodney King thing didn't do it for me, so it was really necessary for you to go mock a bunch of on-duty police officers, many of whom aren't racist. Oh, and I love how he "informs" us of all these tragic flaws in society, but doesn't do shit about it.

Whatever. His movies are interesting I guess, but he is a douchebag.

I watched Bowling For Columbine, and it is interesting and pretty entertaining, but after doing research and seeing how he took stuff out of context and edited his footage really makes me lose respect for him as a film maker. He's a dick. He might have the message, but he sure as hell doesn't have the correct way of doing it.

da_king - you said that "some people are so quick to bash moore and his style that they lose sight of the mesage which is a very valid one and worth listening to". What message and how is it valid? Anyone can lie and shape the truth to meet their agenda.

I don't have anything against him but I have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Except that a lot of these claims have been debunked already.

But why let that people stop from making claims?

Which ones and by who and where?

Just curious, seems pretty good stuff against moore, would like to see the "other side".

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He does plenty about it. That's why he makes the documentaries, to get his point across and hopefully make some changes.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? He got K-Mart to stop selling bullets because of his movie.

He makes his movies to get a point across.

If you were arguing for something, obviously you would only say things that would help your cause. You would not play both sides of the fence. If you are bashing him because he is biased towards his own opinions, that is retarded.

BTW, the movie got a 15-25 MINUTE standing ovation at the Cannes film festival last night, where it premiered. People were saying it was the loudest, longest ovation they have ever witnessed.

Moore had some errors in Bowling that left him open for a lot of criticism. But most of the points he made stand.

He edited speeches :eek: What was he supposed to do? Show the whole ten minutes of Heston talking between I said to the mayor....dont come here we're already here? It didnt change the meaning of what he said. He said that to the mayor and thats what Moore put in the film. Its retarded to put in criticisms like that.

And the kid who shot that little girl isnt the nicest person in the world, and he didnt come from the greatest family. Well no shit, I expected him to be Bill Gates kid and have had the best upbringing that money could buy. :roll: Most of the criticism is retarded and completely misses the points being made. If guns werent so easily availible that kid wouldnt have had the gun, if his mum didnt have to work a job and never get to see her son then maybe he wouldnt be such a brat. You know I think theres even some research that says that kids who lose both parents in quick succession might...just might suffer because of it and they might act out :eek:

As far as his recent work the criticism he got for bowling where he did make a couple of mistakes has made him research his facts alot better. You only have to look at his last book "Dude Wheres My Country" and see how well sourced it is, in the back of the book everything is listed, every article, every report so that its simple for anyone to check up on his facts. And from what Ive seen and heard of Farenheit 9/11 its as well researched as hs last book and I havent heard anyone criticise his book for getting facts wrong.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/ Thats Michaels response to all the criticism about Bowling aswell. From the bank scene, Hestons speech to the gun death figures:

Ovation, OK - Where is the Cannes Festival - France?? Uh, OK :roll:

:wtf: That has nothing to do with the quality of the film though

I often check out a movie site called joblo.com and the owner of the site attended the Cannes Festival and posted a review if anyone is interested.

http://www.joblo.com/fahrenheit911.htm

Stupid White Men was well researched as well. That too was a great read.

If there was no money to be made, you still think he'd be doing these?

Well, quite a bit of this was argued by our own Lamuella, when imboredisux brought up many of the same points in her own diatribe. I've seen "rebuttals" of sorts from other sites...Have to go look for them.

I'll also note that Moore's books are well-researched and well sourced. While I don't always think he's totally right, totally on the level (If you get through Dude, Where's My Country? and don't see him as rather slanted, you're a fool *), or covers everything when coming to his conclusions, he's still a very strong writer.

* Yeah, VEL, this isn't a shot at you, as you've never made the argument.

Yeah, it's no good unless it gets an ovation in the trailer park film festival...:roll:

Well, I'd actually guess so. The guy did it for years before he really got serious recognition for it.

However COMMA, I don't know Mike personally.

Frankly, I'm not sure I would, either.

So, he is fat. I win.

I dunno, a report I read is it was a largely french crowd that was also anti-us, although I'm not sure how the festivle works, I would have thought the crowd would have been a lot of non-french or invites.

Do you think his motives have changed? I mean, even from (I forget the name) the movie about Flynt and the Auto Plant closings to Todays 9/11... seems like he's more looking to target then help, which leads to money...

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america's gun culture. it is a problem and it seems to me to be more prevelant in the states then elsewhere (or at least moreso then here in canada) this is something important enough to warrant investiagation imo. things like whether or not banks actually let you walk out with a gun the same day is irrevelant to me if they were still giving out guns later on after a background check or whatever, however long it takes. it's ludicrous to me that such a promotion would even take place and that people would actually feel compelled to sign up as a result of it but they do.

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Violence. It's soaked into America's culture.

It's called Roger & Me. AKA Roger B. Smith, Chairman of the board at General Motors. Just watched that flick today actually.

Yes, obviously.

If he was just interested in making money, he'd be doing other types of films.

Documentaries aren't exactly the biggest money makers.

The crowd is made up of mostly a French audience, I'd assume, but maybe not. Apparently the screening had hundreds of American journalists and other American invites.

Cannes is a high profile place around the film festival time. Just because it's in France has nothing do do with it's audience being French.

You guys, just cause he's new here doesnt mean he's a complete fuc</>king moron.

I don't know.

In "Dude, where's my country?" He gave multiple routes for people to take action. I don't think Moore's actually affect change by protesting with a bullhorn, but he brings attention to many issues, and offers people ways to solves the problems.

Other people have gotten flak for the same thing. After all, Boston asks who will save us from the Corporations, but you can buy them in chain record shops and websites like Amazon. Are they A) Selling out and making themselves hypocrites or B) Trying to reach a larger audience?

The problem is, people need to see a problem before they can act on it. Moore's often farcial look on things has served as a wakeup call for many a person. Is this the desired intent, or just a lucky side effect? I don't really know. BFC didn't exactly make it as a huge summer blockbuster. Still, I severely doubt Moore's starving (I mean, LOOK at him. ;)).

He took action even in the case of BFC. The question is, what was his underlying motive there? He did make a shock "journalism" run at K-Mart, and they folded. He tried to drive a point home with Heston, whether or not you agree with how he did it.

Thing is, Moore isn't just inciting people. He's trying to incite them to action. Is he doing this for money, or because he's trying to do good? I don't really know. If all he wanted to do was incite people and make money, he could do it. The Bush administration has even created a niche market for books that do nothing but complain (Ironically, most of the authors are in ivory towers). While I don't know his motivations, and I don't totally like the guy, he's doing more tan most of these fu</>ckers are.

'But just to drive home, he's not doing nothing. I don't know his motives (Though I'm someone skeptical), but I know he does more than most of the people I know (Which pisses me off, because the complain, and I'm the only one who ever tries to DO anything....).

Report from where?

There are a large number of non french people, and France is not very largely Anti-US, and I doubt the film festival is either.

Unlike America, they're not renaming all their food because they disagree with our foreign policy. From my experience, the french are a little less childish and a little more careful-tongued than America tends to be.

Except on the simpsons. ;)

I like Michael Moore. He's an excellent Film maker

No, but that post you quoted gives a pretty good indication.

I remember a time when the United States of America had FREEDOM OF SPEECH...those were good times.

The link between the Bush family and the bin Laden's is very valid. Bush even made sure that members of the bin Laden family were flown out of the US right after 9/11. I guess that was more important than oh I dont know, trying to get information from them about UBL.

I like the fact that Moore goes out of his way to take a different slant on the BS that the State controlled media spits at Americans everyday. The very fact that people are checking out facts and doing research is a good sign, because if you did that for CNN, FOX and the rest of the puppets you'd learn a lot about the good ol' USA.

But do I believe everything he says? No, no more than I believe everything that George Bush says. I mean Moore did a piece in Bowling For Columbine where he asked people in Toronto (in Canada) if they lock their doors. I live in a nice neighbourhood, but I would never leave my door unlocked, because there are enough crazy people in this city and I dont need any of them in my house. But if you watch his movie it seems like people in Toronto leave their doors open and there's hardly any crime. Granted, Toronto isn't as bad a city like Chicago (similar size) but like I said I wouldn't tempt anything by leaving my door open.

However, for the most part, I found the film to be fair, and he presented some interesting points. I'm looking forward to the piece on the Bush family, but at the same time I dont think it will make much of a difference. To be frank, I think even if the US public were to see Bush at UBL's Birthday Party playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey a certain percentage of the US population would stick their head in the sand and say thats the Liberal media playing games.

You have to admit, though, that the audience for a highly controversial film like "Farenheit 9/11" would be strongly slanted towards people who tend to agree with Moore's views. Conservative types would likely pass it over. Sorta like how your typical audience for "Passion of Christ" would be mostly Christians.

Hence, the applause would come from people who felt that their views were reinforced and validated.

The movie won the Palm D'Or at Cannes, by the way.

That is the equivalent to "Best Picture."

The jury, which was head by Quentin Tarantino, said the award was not given because of its political stance, but because it was simply a great film.

If it was in movie theaters, and not at Cannes, I'd have to agree.

The average moviegoing audience for Farenheit 911 will most definitely be liberally slanted.

Question, Nick.

Do you lock your doors when you're at home?

I notice he chose a time of day when people seemed to be home a lot, and the people were all immediately nearby pretty much.

Lots of people feel they have to fortify their homes, even when they're there.

You're right about the whole "liberal media" deal. It's this perfect boogeyman.

I'm not going to say that my door is locked at all times, because you can always forget. But as long as I notice, and 99% of the time, the door is locked. Toronto isn't what I would call the safest place in the world (its not NYC mind you but still), so I always try to make sure my door is locked.

I dont know where Moore was, but most people I know wouldn't leave the doors unlocked. He might have went to the burbs and claimed it was Toronto, or maybe he tried 1,000 doors, and 5 or 6 were unlocked.

Here's some news. I'm pretty surprised it's getting released this early. Figured Fall at the latest.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movi...eut/index.html

SEXY. Gonna go see that ishhhhh.

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also read a write-up in today's paper about bush sr. condeming micheal moore for attacking his son. yeah nice to see it comming out soon.


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I wish everyone would chill out about Moore. My TOK (philosophy) class at school saw BFC and instantly we had people trying to nitpick at the fact that Heston's tie changes colors and Moore doesn't say where his facts come from. WHO CARES. IMO, it's art. Sure he is trying to force his opinion, but its ART. And if he has to make a couple blunders for it to be valid argument, then he is entitled to do so. It's his artistic expression. And you don't have to like it. But as a FILM, as ART, I think anyone can appreciate it.

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

LOL check it out. Looks great.

The end of the trailer is classic.

I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you, now watch this drive.

LOL apparently another filmmakerwill be making a movie about Michael Moore cleverly titled MICHAEL MOORE HATES AMERICA. He wants it to be distributed around the same time Farenheit 9/11 comes out.

http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=4473

God damn it, I can't get the trailer to load. Fucking god damn college connection.

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i heard about that movie about micheal moore. seems like that guy's trying to employ some of moores tactics and using it on him. :lol:

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Got it to work, looks pretty damn good. Going to have to see that.

LOL Classic line.

Well, duh.

His lies aren't our lies! UNAMERICAN!

The board of judges the gave the film the palm d'or only had one french fry on it. The rest were all foreign, including two Americans.

The crowd at that event is also largely foreign. It was the whole world cheering for that film.

And fear. Fear spread our media. CNN. NBC. FNC. CBS. ABC. They are all guilty. But it is not their fault. Fear sells.

Indeed. ever hear of 'The Detroit Project?'

I'll go see if it's still around, some people may like the read.

Ok...he's trying to make an "essay" of sorts...aren't you gonna provide evidence that supports your thesis? Michael Moore of course is gonna be slanted because he is trying to prove his points and I found that whenever he tried top get another perspective...IT DROVE AWAY. I mean you can poke holes through a lot of things...he's just showing one point of view...aren't we all entitled to do that>

"Congressman, Im trying to get members of the Congress to get their kids to enlist in the Army and go over to Iraq."

I saw Bowling For Columbine and thought what a lot of what people also thought; great film, effective etc and that Moore should be credited etc, but then I saw things in the film that didnt make sense or that just doubted what I thought of Moore.

I cant remember all of these instances but there is ONE I remember:

- if you have the film or a good memory, cast yourselves back to when Moore was askin Charlton Heston for an interview. - He said a certain time, but then when Moore is interviewing him, a clock is clearly visable, but not at the agreed time mentioned previously.

I know this could mean shit, but there was other stuff.

i think this film has a lot of potential to at least get people thinking about bush and his [lack of] credibility. the vast majority of americans are just working everyday, living their lives, not really watching the news or following politics. hopefully this film will get the same kind of insane media attention that Passion did, and controversy always draws crowds. no matter how the movie is received, it will at least bring politics to the box office and change some minds. i hope to go see it.

Just saw a commercial on the TV about it opening June 25th.

Better get it here :mad:

It opens June 25th in the US and Canada in theaters everywhere.

Yeah, but I mean here, Prince George. This place is so fucking cookie cutter. Takes in only the blockbusters and almost nothing else.

You should call and get other people to contact the theater and request it. If they know there's an audience, probably more likely they'll order the prints.

I really don't want to see this film. I'll probably get mad as hell if I see it and I try to enjoy myself when I go to a movie, which isn't very often sadly. I might just stick to Spider-man.

yESSSS can't wait to see this film. The best part is that it is coming out before elections, and some guy told me that it's being released on home video before then too. And since Americans are mindless fools incapible of forming their own opinions but can follow trend like no tomorrow, I'm sure that the success of this film will ensure that Bush doesn't have another term as President. :love:

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The timing of this film isn't coincidental.

I'll see it, but from what I've seen in the past from him, I expect little more than a propaganda film. The fact that they actually call these documentaries makes me laugh. The fact that there probably won't be one objective thing about this film should do away with any documentary title.

The worst part is the reality that many people are actually going to hang off what he says and follow his opinion blindly. I mean hell, why should people research when they can just listen to one side of the argument and make a biased conclusion.

I'm not questioning the reality of the topics. However, to someone who isn't really well educated in the matter, Moore can easily twist the reality into whatever he wants the viewers to see.

Take the bank scene in Bowling for Columbine. He twisted the reality of the bank "handing out guns" into something that it wasn't.

As I said, I'm going to see Farenheit 911, so if I'm wrong, I'll be the first one to admit it. Alas, I have the feeling that the topics you brought up (Bush allowing the Bin Laden family safe passage out of America, etc) will be displayed in enough of a subjective extreme that those who are ignorant on the matter will leave the theater convinced of Moore's point, and will have no desire to do any research of their own for any other reasons why those events may have happened how they did.

Agreed. The only problem is that when it comes to politics, especially in an election year, misinformation effects votes. While people can vote for whomever they want, for whatever reasons they want, I still wish people's reasons were based off logic and fact. Ignorance from either political extreme has the potential to hurt us as a country, not just the ignorant themselves.

I don't know, I'm feeling very preachy. It's all but impossible to make all people educated on what's actually going on in politics, especially when we never know for sure if what we know is right in the first place. Between friends, acquaintances, and talk radio, I'm becoming very sick of listening to one sided perspectives on matters where they refuse to acknowledge the possibility that they may be wrong.

Eh, lets just take Kerry and Bush, shoot them full of "truth serum" or whatever chemical it is, and hold live press sessions and debates the week before elections. Maybe if they spew enough bullshit, public opinion will go down the toilet for both of them and then we can elect Nader... Wait, no one votes independent.

I just skimmed through this whole topic, and here is what I have to say.

A lot of people in the United States are "ignorant," or "easilly swayed". Now when trying to influence these people, if you want them to vote left you don't say "George Bush is bad at public speaking," you go to the extreme, "George Bush lies and put our country in danger," technically they both are true, but which one do you think is going to get more response? It is rediculous to complain that a biased man is being bias when trying to get people to follow him.

Someone asked if Moore would still be doing this without the money, I would say yes. He made The Big One and Roger and Me, and wrote two books before he became famous. I would think that if he was never famous he would still be doing it.

I forgot my third point..Meh

LOL @ the IMDB ratings:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361596/ratings

all 1's or 10's.

I'm hearing more negative feedback than positive about this so far...