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BCWWF 06-10-2004 09:32 PM

NBA Offseason Topic
 
I know this might be a bit early, but the season is essentially done, and a lot of big names are going to be moving around this summer.


I heard a rumored trade Wally Szczerbiak and Michael Olowokandi for Allen Iverson. That would be crazy but I don't know how reliable it is.

I don't think that T-Mac will stick with the Magic, no matter what, and I think that will be better for the Magic. I could see him going to Phoenix.

I don't see Latrell Sprewell going to San Antonio, the only other team really looking at him, because he would have to take a huge paycut and he has no reason to leave.

I think Troy Hudson will come back to the Timberwolves, at least he sounds like he wants to.

Kobe Bryant is not leaving the Lakers.

Rasheed Wallace should stay with the Pistons, how crazy would they be if they signed Theo Ratliff...

Will Vlade Divacs retire?

More questions etc to be discussed, start going...

AlphaBean 06-10-2004 11:08 PM

T-Hud of course will say he wants to stay here. He won't even NEGOTIATE an extension, but he wants to stay here.

So he will sign for a lot more money to play somewhere else with no chance of a championship... Unless he signs with the Lakers, which is feasible if they lose either or BOTH of their PGs... they would want the player who rocked them last year to keep him away from Minnesota.

Iverson is what Reusse wants. I dunno. 35% from the field, injured half the time. He could be a great asset, but he could be Cassell... lead us to the playoffs and watch us get eliminated. I don't want that. Plus I mean, how many attitudes can Flip control? I think the two biggest cancers to the Wolves team are Wally and Kandi, so that would be a good thing. :wave: you sons of bitches.

Spree will definitely stay here for his 14 million dollar contract. He'd get maybe 8 to play somewhere else, and playing with KG is definitely the place to be.

So are you saying Phil Jackson is gone from LA?

Ratliff with the Wallaces in Detroit, what the hell hahaha. That better not happen. :rant:

CNM 06-10-2004 11:51 PM

Ratliff can't sign with Detroit. First of all, he isn't a free agent. Secondly, Detroit will have to use all of their cap space to keep Sheed (or Okur if Sheed decides to move on).

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-11-2004 12:30 AM

Yea Pistons have to try to resign Sheed...I was hearing a lot of stuff about how the NY Knicks were REALLY intrested in him...but that sorta died down after he left Portland for whatever reasons.

The Icon of Elisim 06-11-2004 01:36 AM

Spurs would give Spree good money considering how much cap space they have. I mean look how much they gave to Rasho

DaveWadding 06-11-2004 01:48 AM

Wolves will sign Kobe, then trade for JKidd,T-Mac, Shaq and Duncan.

The Outlaw 06-11-2004 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding
Wolves will sign Kobe, then trade for JKidd,T-Mac, Shaq and Duncan.

:|

AlphaBean 06-11-2004 02:20 AM

Don't discourage the poor unfortunate boy, Outlaw. Clap for him and give him a cookie.

Here Dave, have a medal. That joke was amazing. You rule, buddy! High five!

You are very special. :)

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-11-2004 02:31 AM

Those jokes are pretty terrible and people always post shit like that about Minnesota fans for some reason (Bean and BCWWF)

Pretty stupid too...Neither of you guys are posting unrealistic bullshit either. So posting stuff like that is just dumb.

The Outlaw 06-11-2004 02:35 AM

I don't think you would want A.I. on your team, but that's just me.

The Miz 06-11-2004 02:39 AM

Dave Wadding, I try so hard to like you, but you might be the most unfunny poster ever

AlphaBean 06-11-2004 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Outlaw
I don't think you would want A.I. on your team, but that's just me.

On one hand, I agree -- I explained why in my first post.

On the other hand... imagine what would happen if he was happy here?

I mean, remember when he was happy in Philly? My brother put it to me like this:

In 6 quarters in the finals... he scored like 70 points or something. On the Lakers. He tore them apart.

Imagine AI on a team that runs the pick and roll. Imagine him and Cassell and Spree and KG running the floor. The open jumpers. :drool:

And when AI and T-Hud are in there (if we get Hud back), they both can drive the lane, draw fouls or draw defenders in the middle.

But the problem is... no big man. Still. Love Oliver Miller, all 6'9" of him, but uh, yeah. Dunno. Detroit can stop Shaq without an elite true Center, so I guess if we just lock down the other 4 positions we'll be cool.

What's funny about outlandish trade ideas for the Wolves is... with Kevin McHale's ability as a GM and Glenn Taylor's desire to spend all of his money... just about anything is possible. :cool:

He said he wants to add one more piece in the off-season. Unfortunately, we're so above the cap that we would need to either trade or use the mid-level. Mid-level will bring us what? Actually it would get us some good shit with the talent we have here, people want to come here. HOPEFULLY. And the trade... Wally and Kandi would be sweet. Wally wants to start, but he was better on the bench. Kandi... needs to get the fuck out...

So whether it's AI or someone else, I'm all for it. Too bad about the Bulls. Jerry Krause used to have THE BIGGEST HARD ON for Wally. We coulda picked up like, Crawford and Curry or something. Or a draft pick. It would have been nice.

BCWWF 06-11-2004 03:46 PM

The problem with the Olowokandi and Wally trade is that they both carry pretty big contracts, so a team would have to have a lot of room to take them on, and after this year they aren't really worth their contracts (Wally maybe). If Philly is desperately looking to dish AI then I could definately see something like that, but I don't know what the situation is anymore.

I read I think on Yahoo! last night that Derek Fisher might not come back next year, but that he loves the Lakers and can't imagine playing anywhere else, yada yada yada...Well I think the Lakers would be dumb to bring back Payton, because he won't be much better than Fisher next year and he offers a huge ego, so why not keep the guy whose been with your team all along? If he decides to go another team is going to get a lot better.

Also, even though the Spurs could offer Spree a lot of money with all of their cap room, I don't know why they would. He is getting old, and age really affects his style. There were games this year when he was just awful from a shooting standpoint. According to ESPN.com Insider, they are looking at Kobe, and if they have the cap room etc, Kobe and Duncan would be unbelievable. Too bad they have Rasho fu</>cking everything up :lol:

The Dub 06-11-2004 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
The problem with the Olowokandi and Wally trade is that they both carry pretty big contracts, so a team would have to have a lot of room to take them on, and after this year they aren't really worth their contracts (Wally maybe). If Philly is desperately looking to dish AI then I could definately see something like that, but I don't know what the situation is anymore.

I read I think on Yahoo! last night that Derek Fisher might not come back next year, but that he loves the Lakers and can't imagine playing anywhere else, yada yada yada...Well I think the Lakers would be dumb to bring back Payton, because he won't be much better than Fisher next year and he offers a huge ego, so why not keep the guy whose been with your team all along? If he decides to go another team is going to get a lot better.

Also, even though the Spurs could offer Spree a lot of money with all of their cap room, I don't know why they would. He is getting old, and age really affects his style. There were games this year when he was just awful from a shooting standpoint. According to ESPN.com Insider, they are looking at Kobe, and if they have the cap room etc, Kobe and Duncan would be unbelievable. Too bad they have Rasho fu</>cking everything up :lol:

I don't think that Szczerbiak and Olowokandi would be enough to lure Iverson away from Philly. I have heard some rumors of an Iverson-Baron Davis trade or an Iverson-Francis trade.

The Lakers are better off with Fisher starting again and Payton needs to check his ego and realize that he ain'g got it no more.

The Spurs shouldn't give Spree anything. They need to re-sign Manu and maybe a scorer to come off the bench, since that is what killed them against L.A. They played great defense, but they couldn't take advantage because Parker was shut down after Game 2. A back-up PG not named Charlie Ward could help too.

BCWWF 06-11-2004 05:35 PM

I forgot about that, I've heard those Baron Davis rumors also, and personally I think they would make more sense for the 76ers.

I think teams in the East need to recognize why the Pistons are good, and understand that no other team in the East is capable of doing what they are, because they have good big men. The East needs to draw some of the big men from the West to compete.

The Show Off 06-11-2004 06:57 PM

All I know is the the Phoenix Suns have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league, and I want to see them at least make a play for Kobe Bryant, which is what everyone is saying they want to do.

If in the event that Kobe leaves the Lakers, which despite rumors and hear say I think is about 60 - 40 in favor of the Lakers, the Phoenix Suns will have the most to offer him, not only financially but comitition wise.... The three teams that I hear have the best shot at landing Kobe are the Clippers, Magic (off a sign and trade with T-Mac), and Suns... If you looks at all those teams the Suns have the best chance of making it far in the playoffs with Kobe. Being that the Suns have a shot at getting a good rookie, and they are going to sight Milosh Vulonioc (sp?) who happens to be the best point guard in Europe, they would boast a starting line of like this...

C - Keon Clark
PF - Amare Stotumire
SF - Shawn Marion
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Milosh Vulonic

If you look at that team, you still have some quality on the bench with people like Joe Johnson & leonardo Barbosa, not to mention if Antonio McDysse gets anywhere near the form he ued to be, plus the addition of a new rookie, and how there other young guys develope. The Suns, with Kobe, could come up with just about the most athletic team in the NBA, not to mention that they would still have great potential to become a lot better over the years, and could grow into a dominant force together....

Never underestimate the power of a young team growing together...

Sure I'm a Suns fan and it's wishful thinking, but it does have some good facts to it as well, this could be Kobe's chance to prove that he could be great without Shaq, he would be the leader of this team.

The Miz 06-11-2004 07:00 PM

*PG - Steve Nash

AlphaBean 06-11-2004 07:19 PM

Baron Davis will give the Sixers another injury-prone leader, and the Francis trade will bring in another spoiled brat.

That makes the Francis deal highly stupid for the Sixers... and the Davis deal stupid for the Hornets. You need health. If your stars stayed healthy you'd have a very competitive squad right thurr.

Baron and Mash and Wesley :love:

The Icon of Elisim 06-12-2004 01:33 AM

Am I the only person who could see Memphis as a candidate to land Kobe? Strong team already with Jerry West in the front office

DaveWadding 06-12-2004 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Show Off
All I know is the the Phoenix Suns have one of the biggest cap spaces in the league, and I want to see them at least make a play for Kobe Bryant, which is what everyone is saying they want to do.

If in the event that Kobe leaves the Lakers, which despite rumors and hear say I think is about 60 - 40 in favor of the Lakers, the Phoenix Suns will have the most to offer him, not only financially but comitition wise.... The three teams that I hear have the best shot at landing Kobe are the Clippers, Magic (off a sign and trade with T-Mac), and Suns... If you looks at all those teams the Suns have the best chance of making it far in the playoffs with Kobe. Being that the Suns have a shot at getting a good rookie, and they are going to sight Milosh Vulonioc (sp?) who happens to be the best point guard in Europe, they would boast a starting line of like this...

C - Keon Clark
PF - Amare Stotumire
SF - Shawn Marion
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Milosh Vulonic

If you look at that team, you still have some quality on the bench with people like Joe Johnson & leonardo Barbosa, not to mention if Antonio McDysse gets anywhere near the form he ued to be, plus the addition of a new rookie, and how there other young guys develope. The Suns, with Kobe, could come up with just about the most athletic team in the NBA, not to mention that they would still have great potential to become a lot better over the years, and could grow into a dominant force together....

Never underestimate the power of a young team growing together...

Sure I'm a Suns fan and it's wishful thinking, but it does have some good facts to it as well, this could be Kobe's chance to prove that he could be great without Shaq, he would be the leader of this team.

Vuljanic won't be needed if we resign Stevie N., Dyess and Clark are FAs, and both are terrible anyways.

CNM 06-12-2004 02:33 AM

The Suns won't have enough $ to sign Kobe unless they convince someone to take Jahidi White off their hands.

CNM 06-12-2004 02:34 AM

TIOE: I think Jerry West came out recently and basically said the Grizz have no shot at signing Kobe.

Sensei Of Mattitude 06-12-2004 03:10 AM

in 2000, there was a trade rumor of AI to MIN for KG and Wally. Believe it, it would have been the best trade for my Sixers

But to be serious for a moment..... Don't be surprised if Detriot trades for Derrick Coleman, because LARRY BROWN IS DERRICK COLEMAN'S GAY LOVER. Only reason Coleman wasnt the Sixers before their run at the crown was Pat Croce. Once Croce left and didnt have the authority over Brown.... Coleman came back.

Sensei Of Mattitude 06-12-2004 03:13 AM

By the way..........

ALLEN IVERSON IS NOT LEAVING THE PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

He is staying put. He is still the centerpiece of this team. Hopefully, the FO can put something together to get something around him.

I want Derek Fisher. He is the only Laker I personally like. We (76ers) need to get YOUNGER, FASTER and BIGGER.

BCWWF 06-12-2004 03:28 AM

Sam Dalembert played well at the end of last season, and last I heard the new 76ers coach didn't want to give up AI, so add some players and maybe...

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-12-2004 03:46 AM

Steve Nash is going to the Suns? Really? I havent really heard too much about this at all

Surprised Cuban wouldnt have already taken care of this

CNM 06-12-2004 04:16 AM

It's a rumor. He's said he'll consider the Suns. That's about it.

BCWWF 06-12-2004 04:47 AM

The Suns need a center

DaveWadding 06-12-2004 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
The Suns need a center

Welcome to every season since 1968.

Splaya 06-12-2004 04:21 PM

Kobe will elave the Lakers for one reason and one reason only: his ego. He wants to be the Michael Jordon of a team. He wants to be the hero, the go to guy. He might be that in LA right now, but not really. In LA he will always have to contest with Shaq. It's sad really. I'd rather put the ball in the hands of Kobe rahter than Shaq with say 5 seconds left and your down by 2.

The Outlaw 06-12-2004 04:45 PM

Splaya, you obviously have no basketball knowledge whatsoever and I kindly ask you to never reply in an NBA thread again.

BCWWF 06-13-2004 01:03 AM

LO mothafukin L

DaveWadding 06-13-2004 02:51 AM

Here's the lists for the expansion draft:

ATLANTA HAWKS
Protected
Jason Terry
Boris Diaw
Travis Hansen
Chris Crawford
Stephen Jackson

Unprotected
Alan Henderson
Free Agents
Jason Collier
Michael Bradley
Obinna Ekezie
Mamadou N'diaye
Wesley Person
Joel Przybilla
Zeljko Rebraca
Bob Sura
Jacque Vaughn

BOSTON CELTICS
Protected
Paul Pierce
Ricky Davis
Raef LaFrentz
Kendrick Perkins
Marcus Banks
Jiri Welsch
Walter McCarty
Chris Mihm

Unprotected
Michael Stewart
Brandon Hunter
Chucky Atkins
Jumaine Jones

Free Agents
Mark Blount
Dana Barros

CHICAGO BULLS
Protected
Eddy Curry
Jamal Crawford
Kirk Hinrich
Tyson Chandler
Linton Johnson
Jannero Pargo
Chris Jefferies
Paul Shirley

Unprotected
Antonio Davis
Jerome Williams
Eddie Robinson
Marcus Fizer
Scottie Pippen

Free Agents
Ronald Dupree
Kendall Gill

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Protected
LeBron James
Carlos Boozer
Dajuan Wagner
Jeff McInnis
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
DeSagna Diop
Tony Battie

Unprotected
Kevin Ollie
Ira Newble
Kedrick Brown
Jason Kapono

Free Agents
Eric Williams
Lee Nailon
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Protected
Dirk Nowitzki
Josh Howard
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Antoine Walker
Marquis Daniels
Jon Stefansson
Eduardo Najera

Unprotected
Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Tony Delk
Shawn Bradley
Danny Fortson

Free Agents
Steve Nash
Travis Best
Scott Williams

DENVER NUGGETS
Protected
Carmelo Anthony
Andre Miller
Earl Boykins
Francisco Elson
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Nene
Voshon Lenard
Chris Andersen

Unprotected
Jeff Trepagnier

Free Agents
Jon Barry
Marcus Camby
Michael Doleac
Mark Pope

DETROIT PISTONS (FINALS)

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Protected
Speedy Claxton
Jason Richardson
Mickael Pietrus
Mike Dunleavy
Troy Murphy
Clifford Robinson
Erick Dampier
Evan Eschmeyer

Unprotected
Nick Van Exel
Popeye Jones

Free Agents
J.R. Bremer
Brian Cardinal
Calbert Cheaney
Adonal Foyle
Avery Johnson

HOUSTON ROCKETS
Protected
Steve Francis
Yao Ming
Jim Jackson
Cuttino Mobley
Maurice Taylor
Eric Piatkowski
Adrian Griffin
Bostjan Nachbar

Unprotected
Clarence Weatherspoon

Free Agents
Mark Jackson
Scott Padgett
Mike Wilks

INDIANA PACERS
Protected
Jermaine O'Neal
Ron Artest
Jonathan Bender
Jeff Foster
Al Harrington
Fred Jones
Jamaal Tinsley
Austin Croshere

Unprotected
Reggie Miller
Primoz Brezec
Anthony Johnson
James Jones
Scot Pollard

Free Agents
Kenny Anderson
Jamison Brewer

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Protected
Elton Brand
Corey Maggette
Chris Kaman
Predrag Drobnjak
Chris Wilcox
Melvin Ely
Eddie House
Quentin Richardson

Unprotected
Marco Jaric

Free Agents
Matt Barnes
Keyon Dooling
Josh Moore
Doug Overton
Bobby Simmons
LOS ANGELES LAKERS (FINALS)

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Protected
Pau Gasol
James Posey
Shane Battier
Jason Williams
Mike Miller
Stromile Swift
Lorenzen Wright
Theron Smith

Unprotected
Bonzi Wells
Earl Watson
Troy Bell
Dahntay Jones
Bo Outlaw
Jake Tsakalidis
Ryan Humphrey

MIAMI HEAT
Protected
Lamar Odom
Dwyane Wade
Caron Butler
Udonis Haslem
Malik Allen
Brian Grant
Eddie Jones
Wang Zhizhi

Unprotected
Jerome Beasley

Free Agents
Rafer Alston
Rasual Butler
Bimbo Coles
John Wallace
Samaki Walker
Loren Woods

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Protected
Michael Redd
T.J. Ford
Desmond Mason
Marcus Haislip
Daniel Santiago
Dan Gadzuric
Keith Van Horn
Joe Smith

Unprotected
Erick Strickland

Free Agents
Damon Jones
Brevin Knight
Toni Kukoc

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Protected
Kevin Garnett
Latrell Sprewell
Ervin Johnson
Mark Madsen
Sam Cassell
Michael Olowokandi
Wally Sczcerbiak

Unprotected
Ndudi Ebi

Free Agents
Trenton Hassell
Fred Hoiberg
Troy Hudson
Darrick Martin
Oliver Miller
Gary Trent

NEW JERSEY NETS
Protected
Jason Kidd
Zoran Planinic
Aaron Williams
Brian Scalabrine
Richard Jefferson
Lucious Harris
Jason Collins
Brandon Armstrong

Unprotected
Kerry Kittles
Alonzo Mourning
Rodney Rogers
Tamar Slay

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Protected
Baron Davis
David West
Jamaal Magloire
P.J. Brown
David Wesley
George Lynch
Darrell Armstrong
Courtney Alexander

Unprotected
Jamal Mashburn

Free Agents
Stacey Augmon
Shammond Williams
Robert Traylor
Steve Smith
Maurice Carter

NEW YORK KNICKS
Protected
Stephon Marbury
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Nazr Mohammed
Frank Williams
Mike Sweetney
Al Harrington
Cezary Trybanski

Unprotected
Allan Houston
Penny Hardaway
Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris
Dikembe Mutombo

Free Agents
Vin Baker

ORLANDO MAGIC
Protected
Tracy McGrady
Grant Hill
Juwan Howard
Drew Gooden
Pat Garrity
Andrew DeClercq
Keith Bogans
Steven Hunter

Unprotected
DeShawn Stevenson
Reece Gaines
Zaza Pachulia
Britton Johnson

Free Agents
Derrick Dial

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Protected
Allen Iverson
Eric Snow
John Salmons
Kenny Thomas
Samuel Dalembert
Marc Jackson
Kyle Korver
Willie Green

Unprotected
Derrick Coleman
Greg Buckner
Aaron McKie
Glenn Robinson
Todd MacCulloch

PHOENIX SUNS
Protected
Shawn Marion
Amare Stoudemire
Joe Johnson
Maciej Lampe
Zarko Cabarkapa
Leandrinho Barbosa
Casey Jacobsen
Jake Voskuhl

Unprotected
Howard Eisley
Jahidi White

Free Agents
Keon Clark
Donnell Harvey
Antonio McDyess

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Protected
Zach Randolph
Dale Davis
Damon Stoudemire
Derek Anderson
Darius Miles
Theo Ratliff
Ruben Patterson
Travis Outlaw

Unprotected
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Omar Cook
Dan Dickau
Eddie Gill
Qyntel Woods
Vladimir Stepania

Free Agents
Desmond Ferguson

SACRAMENTO KINGS
Protected
Peja Stojakovic
Brad Miller
Chris Webber
Darius Songaila
Mike Bibby
Doug Christie
Bobby Jackson
Gerald Wallace

Unprotected
Anthony Peeler

Free Agents
Rodney Buford
Vlade Divac
Tony Massenburg
Jabari Smith

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Protected
Radoslav Nesterovic
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
Devin Brown
Robert Horry
Malik Rose
Bruce Bowen

Unprotected
Charlie Ward

Free Agents
Emanuel Ginobili
Matt Carroll
Alex Garcia
Jason Hart
Sean Marks
Hidayet Tukoglu
Kevin Willis

SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
Protected
Ray Allen
Rashard Lewis
Vladimir Radmanovic
Luke Ridnour
Nick Collison
Ronald Murray
Antonio Daniels
Reggie Evans

Unprotected
Richie Frahm
Jerome James
Calvin Booth
Vitaly Potapenko

Free Agents
Brent Barry
Ansu Sesay
Leon Smith

TORONTO RAPTORS
Protected
Vince Carter
Chris Bosh
Jalen Rose
Alvin Williams
Jerome Moiso
Donyell Marshall
Roger Mason, Jr.
Milt Palacio

Unprotected
Lamond Murray
UTAH JAZZ
Protected
Matt Harpring
Andrei Kirilenko
Sasha Pavlovic
Raul Lopez
Mo Williams
Raja Bell
Unprotected
Curtis Borchardt

Free Agents
Carlos Arroyo
Jarron Collins
Gordan Giricek
Tom Gugliotta
Mikki Moore
Greg Ostertag
Michael Ruffin

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Protected
Gilbert Arenas
Kwame Brown
Jarvis Hayes
Jared Jefferies
Larry Hughes
Brendan Haywood
Etan Thomas
Steve Blake

Unprotected
Juan Dixon
Jerry Stackhouse
Christian Laettner

Free Agents
Lonny Baxter
Mitchell Butler
Chris Whitney

BCWWF 06-13-2004 03:15 AM

I don't think the Wolves will leave Ebi unprotected. I would assume its Ervin Johnson

DaveWadding 06-13-2004 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
I don't think the Wolves will leave Ebi unprotected. I would assume its Ervin Johnson

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding
MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Protected
Ervin Johnson

Guess your assumption is wrong.

The Icon of Elisim 06-13-2004 03:22 AM

Damn lots of good players available. What exactly are the rules again? I just forget the number of players that can go and such

AlphaBean 06-13-2004 03:23 AM

Shit, I'd rather let Kandi go.

My bro thinks Kandi will have a better season next year, but I dunno. I was on his side when everyone else was against him. He proved me wrong, and I hate looking the fool. :(

DaveWadding 06-13-2004 03:25 AM

SUMMARY OF EXPANSION DRAFT RULES <!--<table width="200" align="right"><tr><td>[img]/media/bobcats/expansion_logo.gif[/img]</td></tr></table>-->

A. Player Selection
  • The Charlotte Bobcats Expansion Draft will take place on June 22 (if the NBA Finals extend to seven games, it will be June 23), prior to the 2004 NBA Draft on June 24.
  • The Bobcats will select a minimum of 14 players who are under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season.
  • The Bobcats may select no more than one player from each team.
  • The Bobcats can only select players that are left unprotected by an NBA team.
  • Each of the 29 NBA teams may protect a maximum of eight players on its roster who are under contract or are restricted free agents at the conclusion of the 2003-04 season.
  • Each of the 29 NBA teams will designate the players on its roster who are eligible for selection by the Bobcats.
  • Each of the 29 NBA teams must designate at least one player on its roster to be eligible for selection by the Bobcats, even if the team does not have eight players under contract or as restricted free agents for the 2004-05 season.
  • Any player under contract selected by the Bobcats will immediately be placed on the Bobcats roster.
  • Any eligible restricted free agent selected by the Bobcats shall immediately become an unrestricted free agent.
  • Unrestricted free agents are not eligible to be protected nor are they eligible to be selected by the Bobcats.
B. Pre-Expansion Draft Trades
  • Teams will be permitted to enter into pre-Expansion Draft trades in which Charlotte agrees to select or not select certain unprotected players.
C. Salary Cap
  • Charlotte will be permitted to select players in the Expansion Draft without regard to the Salary Cap.
  • Charlotte will have a Salary Cap in its first season equal to 66% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league and a Salary Cap in its second season equal to 75% of the Salary Cap applicable to the rest of the league.
  • Charlotte will be permitted to sign any restricted free agent it selects in the Expansion Draft using the same “Bird,” “Early Bird” or “Non-Bird” Exception that the player’s prior team would have had.
  • Compensation paid to a selected player under a contract protected for lack of skill will be excluded from Charlotte’s Team Salary if the player’s contract is terminated (via the waiver procedure) prior to the start of the 2004-05 season.
  • A team with a Team Salary above the Salary Cap will receive a Trade Exception to replace a player (other than a restricted free agent) selected from its unprotected list.
D. Post-Expansion Draft Transactions
  • A team will not be permitted to reacquire a player that it loses in the Expansion Draft prior to the expiration of one year from the date of the Expansion Draft, unless the player is waived and not claimed by any other team.
PULLED FROM NBA.COM

The Icon of Elisim 06-13-2004 03:38 AM

Well IMO the 14 best unprotected players available are

Nick Van Exel
Marco Jaric
Bonzi Wells
Earl Watson
Ndudi Ebi
Kerry Kittles
Jamal Mashburn
Allan Houston
Reece Gaines
Glenn Robinson
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Gordan Giricek
Jerry Stackhouse
Jerome Williams

BCWWF 06-13-2004 03:43 AM

Are those official? I thought they were just some projections that you pulled out of your ass. :oops:

DaveWadding 06-13-2004 03:51 AM

Actually, TIOE, Giricek is a UFA, he can't be picked.

AlphaBean 06-13-2004 04:27 AM

The Bobcats should pick up Antonio Davis, Mark Jackson and Reggie Miller.

Aw yeah.

The Icon of Elisim 06-13-2004 01:22 PM

Oh in that case I'd add Antonio Davis or Lammond Murray

BCWWF 06-14-2004 01:00 AM

I don't know what that was of Dave Waddings, but according to the Minneapolis paper, Kandi and Ervin Johnson are the ones going to be left unprotected.

The Show Off 06-14-2004 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CNM
It's a rumor. He's said he'll consider the Suns. That's about it.

I never heard of that rumor... That'd be cool, he did start his career with the Suns and I liked him then, since then he's turned into one of the 5 best point guards in the NBA.

BCWWF 06-18-2004 01:21 PM

I just thought of something that would be crazy, but I wouldn't neccessarily throw it out...

I always thought Shaq was going to stay in LA even in both Kobe and Phil didn't, but it is looking like he might not anymore, well how crazy would it be if they traded his contract back to Orlando? Then instead of Okafor you draft Gordon or some pimp guard, damn.

AlphaBean 06-18-2004 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
I just thought of something that would be crazy, but I wouldn't neccessarily throw it out...

I always thought Shaq was going to stay in LA even in both Kobe and Phil didn't, but it is looking like he might not anymore, well how crazy would it be if they traded his contract back to Orlando? Then instead of Okafor you draft Gordon or some pimp guard, damn.

You think the Magic have enough TALENT to give the Lakers?

Nah, I'm pretty sure #1 would go to Los Angeles for Shaq, and next year's #1 too. Maybe one more. This is Shaq, man!

And I bet the Lakers would cream themselves to get Okafor. Try emulating the team that destroyed you, starting with the short defensive dynamo at Center. Then they would try signing T-Hud (a pg who wanted to start so he left the Wolves) keep Kobe, the athletic 2-guard... keep malone, or trade players to Sacto for Webber, or get Sheed... to make up the elite PF position... but how are you going to emulate Tayshaun? He's the man, the Lakers might just try to emulate the 'Melo thing and get a forward, maybe just let Rush "fill in the gap" until next year's draft when they can get a long dude in the top 10, since the Magic will still suck with Shaq... they're not a team I see winning ever.

The Miz 06-18-2004 07:33 PM

Shaq called Orlando a dump once

The Miz 06-19-2004 12:05 AM

ESPN.com reports that Shaq & T-Mac have demanded trades, and Phil is officially out.

BCWWF 06-19-2004 02:42 AM

God damnit, I just wrote a huge thing, pressed back, came back forward and now its gone :damn:

AlphaBean 06-19-2004 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz
ESPN.com reports that Shaq & T-Mac have demanded trades, and Phil is officially out.

Spre Ervin Johnson and our 1st round pick for T-Mac...

Sam Kandi a future 1st round pick and Wally for Shaq...

:lol:

Shaq KG T-Mac T-Hud and uh, Hassell/Hoiberg :cool:

That's a team right thurrrrrrrrr.

:wavesad:

AlphaBean 06-19-2004 02:56 AM

Wait, Sam and Wally are more trade bait...

Hmm...

Well put those players together with two picks, even them out, and then give the Wolves T-Mac and Shaq. :D

DaveWadding would like them trades.

DaveWadding 06-19-2004 04:08 AM

Grizz are getting new jerseys...

http://www.mistilynn.com/temp/grizzlies-1.jpg

http://www.mistilynn.com/temp/grizzlies-2.jpg

AlphaBean 06-19-2004 04:39 AM

IT'S ABOUT TIME!

God, I hate teams that switch jerseys after being in the league for like 10 years. What the hell? :nono:

:shifty:

The Miz 06-19-2004 04:41 AM

horrible. looks like a college jersey

DaveWadding 06-19-2004 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaBean
IT'S ABOUT TIME!

God, I hate teams that switch jerseys after being in the league for like 10 years. What the hell? :nono:

:shifty:

This is their 2nd set of new jerseys.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-19-2004 05:00 AM

Kinda remind of the Cavs from a few years ago

AlphaBean 06-19-2004 05:04 AM

Five more years till they get new ones.

Man I love sporting my throwback KG jersey. Pastel blue bubble letters, with the cute little puppy on them. :love:

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-19-2004 05:06 AM

The Celtics have had the same jersey for 58 years lol

I love it

BCWWF 06-19-2004 08:44 PM

Yeah but the Celtics jerseys are classic.

I wish more teams used cool uniforms, not just in basketball

Lotus 06-21-2004 03:24 AM

That new Grizzlies' jersey beats the hell out of their previous ones. I personally think their first jersey (the Vancouver one), was fuckin' tight.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-21-2004 03:36 AM

Shaq for T-Mac?

Ninti the Mad 06-21-2004 05:20 AM

Why the fu</>ck is Ginobili on the free agent list and Robert Horry "protected"?

THat is disturbing.

The Miz 06-22-2004 12:27 AM

Houston gets:
Tracy McGrady
Juwan Howard

Orlando gets:
Steve Francis
Cuttion Mobley
Kelvin Cato


WTF!?!

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-22-2004 12:35 AM

TMac and Yao :eek:

The Icon of Elisim 06-22-2004 12:46 AM

Well Houston needs to get ride of Francis and Mobley but TMac still isn't the right player for the system

They really needed a true point guard and a quality 2 or 3 who knows how to share the ball. TMac is a great player but all that they've basically done is put the problems they had with Francis and Mobley and put it into one player.

The Outlaw 06-22-2004 01:11 AM

Also, looks like the Bobcats will get either Okafor or Howard, depending on who goes #1 in the draft.

They got the clippers #2 pick.

BTW, Houston would get Tyronn Lue as well.

BCWWF 06-22-2004 01:20 AM

Orlando needs to take Okafor.

I like to think that the Wolves could get Shaq for Spre, Kandi, and a first round pick, but thats just really, really optimistic

The Icon of Elisim 06-22-2004 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
Orlando needs to take Okafor.

I like to think that the Wolves could get Shaq for Spre, Kandi, and a first round pick, but thats just really, really optimistic

I don't think that optimistic is the right word. I would've gone with impossible or absurd since the Wolves don't have a first round pick.

BCWWF 06-22-2004 01:36 AM

Ugh, the guys on Sportscentre keep saying "Well when your nickname is the Franchise you better be good enough to yada yada yada"

His name is Franchise because it sounds like Francis, not because he is the Franchise player of the NBA, Stuart :mad:

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-22-2004 02:24 AM

I am hearing its a done deal as long as the Bobcats dont pick up J. Howard in the expansion draft

The Outlaw 06-22-2004 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34
I am hearing its a done deal as long as the Bobcats dont pick up J. Howard in the expansion draft

As long as they don't pick up any of the guys in the trade besides T-Mac and Francis, as they are protected.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-22-2004 02:28 AM

I thought Howard was the only unprotected one?

The Outlaw 06-22-2004 02:34 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1825839

There's the full low down

That's what they're reporting anyway

BCWWF 06-22-2004 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34
I thought Howard was the only unprotected one?


AlphaBean 06-22-2004 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Icon of Elisim
I don't think that optimistic is the right word. I would've gone with impossible or absurd since the Wolves don't have a first round pick.


This is the last year of the "example making" period, or the "sanctions" against the "Pete Rose" of the NBA. :roll:

You can trade draft picks up to like 5 years in the future. I think I've seen some picks traded even further, when they're conditional.

Like Darko... who was it, the Grizzlies or the Raptors missed out on #2 because if it was #3 or lower? Something like that. The NBA draft pick trading situation is messed up.

Either way, if the Mavs get Shaq I'm going to not enjoy basketball. Mark Cuban is the biggest douchebag in the history of sports.

I bet he's going to work his ass off to become the commissioner of the NBA and then destroy it out of spite, because jocks used to beat the shit out of him for being an obnoxious nerd in high school.

BCWWF 06-22-2004 03:28 AM

I am actually a fan of Mark Cuban for the most part.

Honestly, if I was him I wouldn't be so intent on holding onto Dirk. They could easilly work with a Dirk for Shaq, throw in some draft picks or shitty players. I could see Dirk on the Lakers. Dirk doesn't help Dallas' inside game, he is easily expandable, but Cuban obviously is in love with him.

Shaq-Walker-Jaimison-Finley-Nash (they would have to get him back)

I think they would be better off with that than with Dirk in there.

AlphaBean 06-22-2004 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
I am actually a fan of Mark Cuban for the most part.

Honestly, if I was him I wouldn't be so intent on holding onto Dirk. They could easilly work with a Dirk for Shaq, throw in some draft picks or shitty players. I could see Dirk on the Lakers. Dirk doesn't help Dallas' inside game, he is easily expandable, but Cuban obviously is in love with him.

Shaq-Walker-Jaimison-Finley-Nash (they would have to get him back)

I think they would be better off with that than with Dirk in there.

What about the two 2nd-year players to go with it?

But yeah, I heard Dirk might be going.

However, I'll kick your ass if you root for Dallas. :rant:

The Miz 06-22-2004 03:11 PM

Antoine Walker is horrible

BCWWF 06-22-2004 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaBean
However, I'll kick your ass if you root for Dallas. :rant:

I would kick my own ass if I rooted for Dallas.

I'm just saying that I always hear that Cuban will do anything to get Shaq except lose Dirk, and I'm saying you don't even need Dirk.

BCWWF 06-22-2004 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz
Antoine Walker is horrible

He was good early in the year and then everything went downhill because Dallas has like 5 three point shooting power forwards, but if you have a dominant paint presence and then let Antoine get 8 boards a game, he'd be pretty effective.

The Outlaw 06-22-2004 07:48 PM

I read the paper today, Cuban said Dirk is about the closest to untouchable that he gets.

T-Mac had a comment that went like this "Me and the Big Fella are trying to make it to Dallas together now" referring to Shaq.

Obviously Shaq and T-Mac are huge buddies and want to play together, but I don't know if I see that happening.

Cuban also commented and said he would be willing to package Jamison-Walker-Finley in some combination to get Shaq.

Crimson 06-23-2004 12:18 AM

Wow wouldn't that be something. I think either Shaq or Kobe will stay, but I don't think both are gonna leave. After one goes , the other will probably settle.

HeartBreakMan2k 06-23-2004 12:22 AM

The Bobcats selections are as follows.

F Lonny Baxter* Washington
G J.R. Bremer* Golden State
C Primoz Brezec Indiana
G Maurice Carter* New Orleans
C Predrag Drobnjak L.A. Clippers
F Desmond Ferguson* Portland
F Marcus Fizer* Chicago
G Richie Frahm* Seattle
F Brandon Hunter Boston
F Jason Kapono Cleveland
F-C Zaza Pachulia Orlando
F Aleksandar Pavlovic Utah
F Jamal Sampson L.A. Lakers
G Tamar Slay* New Jersey
F Theron Smith Memphis
G Jeff Trepagnier* Denver
F Gerald Wallace Sacramento
C Jahidi White Phoenix
C Loren Woods* Miami

The Miz 06-23-2004 01:10 AM

I know they don't want to draft big contracts, but they shouldve picked at least one marquee player.

The Miz 06-23-2004 01:11 AM

Also why did they waste their time picking 19, like 5 of those guys are going to be on the team next year

BCWWF 06-23-2004 01:36 AM

Yeah, ESPN said only about 7 of those guys will be on the team next year.

Also, I think that expansion teams have a limited salary cap, less than the rest of the league, which is probably why they didn't take any guys with big contracts. Otherwise they could just wind up with a rich owner and pull in Kobe and all of the other marquee free agents

BCWWF 06-23-2004 01:37 AM

I heard on FSN that the latest rumor was Wally Szczerbiak for Tony Battie, I think two more guys, and a first round draft pick. Any thoughts?

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-23-2004 03:23 AM

Damn it they took Hunter :mad:

He was a beast on the boards for the few games he played in

Also Antoine Walker is not terrible. Aslong as he keeps his head in the game and doesn't start jacking up too many 3 pointers he is pretty effective scorer

The Miz 06-23-2004 04:32 AM

He didnt keep his head in the game and jacked up way too many 3s with dallas :o

BCWWF 06-23-2004 04:36 AM

No matter what, the Mavs need to get rid of one of their perimeter power forwards, Dirk or Antoine. Sure Antoine is the ideal one to get rid of for marketing and skill and everything, but if you can get Shaq for Dirk, you can't say no to that

The Miz 06-23-2004 04:54 AM

Antoine Walker is completely useless to the Mavs. Just what they didnt need, another scorer who cant play D

AlphaBean 06-23-2004 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
I heard on FSN that the latest rumor was Wally Szczerbiak for Tony Battie, I think two more guys, and a first round draft pick. Any thoughts?

If the Wolves can find a way to pick up Humphries, that would be the greatest trade ever. Esp. for marketing.

All the racist idiots in MN think Wally is the shit. Imagine when we get the local white boy who is thought to be the next Malone... who matched Okafor for strongest player in the draft... :drool:

Whatever it takes, we need to get Humphries. :D

The Dub 06-23-2004 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding

It's about time! And why is James Posey wearing Pau Gasol's number?

DaveWadding 06-23-2004 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabidwolverine
It's about time! And why is James Posey wearing Pau Gasol's number?

Because he's modeling the jersey?

DaveWadding 06-23-2004 06:39 PM

BTW, I'm hearing a rumor TMac to Phoenix for Matrix, another player (supposively Casey Jacobsen), and the #7 pick.

I will fuck Jerry Colangelo's brains out if he swings it.

BCWWF 06-23-2004 09:13 PM

I heard the same things as Dave, and I would rather keep Marion than take up T-Mac.

AlphaBean 06-23-2004 09:20 PM

lol, I thought T-Mac wanted to play for a contender. :nono:

BCWWF 06-23-2004 09:24 PM

Kris Humphreys, nah. It wouldn't be bad to try to get him, the hometown guy, big man, all that, but I don't think its very important. We definately have more use for Wally than we would with Humphreys. Wally is a high percentage shooter, and probably the biggest fan favorite behind KG.

Its almost rediculous that you even mention the names Kris Humphreys and Karl Malone in the same sentence. Kris Humphreys had totally inflated stats because he lead a last place Gophers team in scoring and rebounding, but what do you expect Adam Boone to do that? Their whole offense ran through him, everytime they got the ball they would go to him, and he ended with solid stats for that kind of a gameplan, except he had like 1 assist every two games. His ball control isn't very good, and he thrived on playing the poor competition.

The Timberwolves already have an undersized white power forward in Madsen, and Madsen is a lot more of a team player than Kris would be. He is all about himself, arrogant, and just a huge d-bag everyone who knew him tells me. If he is going to thrive in the NBA, its going to be in the East, because his size will be an advantage there, so Boston will be a good choice. If that is their plan, the worst part is that we would be taking him 10th overall, he is projected to go in the 20's, and he is the kind of guy who is going to try to force the maximum contract possible. The last thing we need is a guy used to dominating (he was everything in Hopkins and then again at the U) now coming off the bench and making little impact.

Humphreys isn't a fan favorite in Minnesota, he's not even white as you said, it would be a huge mistake to draft him, especially that early while losing such a good talent in Wally.

The Miz 06-23-2004 11:46 PM

Washington gets:
Antawn Jamison F

Dallas gets:
Jerry Stackhouse G
Christian Laettner F
5th overall pick in 2004 NBA Draft

I'm guessing Dallas will ship all 3 and Antoine Walker for Shaq?


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