Tell me a wrestler who deserves a push....
 

and I'll tell you why they shouldn't get one.
(because I'm bored)

I think God should get a Push.

I quite honestly think Al Snow, Val Venis, Funaki and Paul London all deserve pushes.

Paul London, RVD, Rene Dupree.

Al Snow - He's past it now, he done an alright job hosting tough enough, but he doesn't even have a wrestling contract. No wrestling, no push!

Val Venis - old gimmick, nothing exciting about this guy anymore, couldn't even create a laugh getting chicks for Lance Storm, and plain sucked as Chief Morley!

Funaki - I'm sure the translation of this is Ultimate Jobber! He's been buried too many times over and over, to ever be considered as anything more than comedy and squash material.

Paul London - his knees are already knackered, he's too small, and Vince doesn't like Cruiserweights. Plus he has no apparent character, and in comparison to Mysterio, Noble and Chavo, is in no way deserving of a push.

Jericho, Hurricane and Dave 'Mercy' Youell

Paul London - see above

RVD - he came from RAW as a midcard wrestler, occasional Tag title holder, etc.
Suddenly he moves to Smackdown. He has to be maintained at that level because otherwise it will be immediately apparent that RAW > Smackdown, and WWE will try to avoid that whereever possible. Plus he has a limited moveset, and apparently Bob Holly is more popular than him.

Rene Dupree - too green, has a poodle, can't beat John Cena, is annoying on a microphone, and his robe looks like a Ric Flair Cast-off. His 'French Tickler' is utterly dumbass, and he's too young to have paid any sort of dues, or gained any real experience.

Funaki, billy gunn, RVD, rey mysterio, chavo guererro

Jericho - had his opportunity and blew it when he was undisputed champion by being too small in stature against The Rock, Austin, Angle, HHH, etc. Not believable as champion, and has jobbed more times than Goldbird since then. Will never get a push until Stephanie divorces HHH, Jericho marries her, Vince and Shane die in a bizarre JBL/Hardcore Holly match botch.

Hurricane - will never get pushed as long as he has a SHIT hanging off his ass.

Dave 'Mercy' Youell - will never get pushed as long as King Jericho keeps beating his ass.

:lol:

Funaki - see above

Billy Gunn - King of the crap gimmick. 'The One', 'The Assman', and now he's too old and getting associated with Hardcore Holly. This man will never get a main event push unless Chyna returns and looks Feminine. And Talented. Plus his 'Famouser' doesn't make anyone famous.

RVD - see above

Rey Mysterio - too small, can't really talk well, has to wear a mask because he's an ugly little fu</>cker, and he is an anti-hoss. Explanation: Soon Vince will hate him / release him / put him in a match with bob Holly and injure him.

Chavo - will never get another push because he had to get Daddy to help with the last one, and Daddy got the bullet. every single push he's had has been with the help of his dad, or his uncle Eddie. Incapable of making it on his own, and also likes his burritos too much.

Booker T, Garrison Cade, Johnny Nitro, Chris Benoit :(

Thats because it was a FameASSER, I declare you have a crap argument and Billy Gunn does indeed deserve a push.











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Booker T - too old, been beat too many times for it to be believable, and can only utter catchphrases that have been repeated at least 600 times. Back problems and he's also boring as hell. Finishing move of a scissorkick? No chance!

Garrison Cade - green, boring, haven't seen a single entertaining thing from this guy. Has to have an adjacent mouth (T Long) because he can't handle a microphone and has been fed to Eugene and others. At best a mid-card jobber.

Johhny Nitro - Greener than grass. No Tough Enough winner has ever gotten a serious push, and he's gonna be fairly well back down the queue if it ever happens, plus his matches have all been jobbed to others. No credibility, experience, or following.

Chris Benoit - can't talk, looks goofy, bandy, has been around for 18 years, and that's him finally getting a main event push. When he loses the title he should go back to the mid card where he belongs, and stay there, with the occasional foray into fourway events for the IC/US Titles. No more push for the 'Crippler' who hasn't crippled anyone.

I LIKE THE UNDERTAKER, HE MAY BE OLDER BUT IS VERY POPULAR EVEN TODAY

I LIKE PEOPLE WHO CAN MAKE FULL USE OF THEIR CAPS LOCK, IT MAY BE OLD HAT BUT I FIND IT VERY POPULAR EVEN TODAY

The UnderTaker - Lord of undecided gimmick. Is he the american bad-ass, is he the deadman, is he the texas ranger? who knows. He is old, carrying injuries, and shouldn't be pushed as he is already established as a main event wrestler, because pushing Taker would be destroying much needed credibility for other wrestlers. He doesn't need a push, he's over and will be until he retires, and until then he should concentrate on helping the pushes of others, as that's what made him as popular as he is. Besides all that, he IS too old.

Also I think Dirtyunderweartaker should get a push, well not really but it gives Bluto a chance to slate him so we'll stick with it.

^^
Jobber

Dirtyunderweartaker - this guy should stick to what he is good at, whatever it is.
Be it starting premature celebration threads that run into 10 pages and stick around for ever, or for the now infamous CAPS TYPING.
However, he should never get a main event push, and as co-leader of the Jobber World Order, I deem him to be a jobber, unworthy of admitance into a club for jobbers.
And he should continue to type with his caps lock on, I think it's charming, and reminds me of all those twats that turn up here from time to time to explain patiently to us all that wrestling is gay, usually in paragraphs of 450 words or more.

lmao archive this thread its goign to be classic, I will stop spamming it up now.


Vader deserves a push.

why not eugene? he's a hell of a wrestler!

Vader doesn't deserve a push because he is on no show that I watch. therefore I deem him to be unworthy. Plus his name reeks of 'Star Wars Rip-off' and he should be de-pushed for lack of originality.

Eugene - He's a terrific entertainer, is able to steal others moves in a witty, entertaining fashion and seems to be a solid wrestler. However, Eugene is a short-term gimmick which will not last. The WWE creative team will run out of ideas, he's been pushed directly into the pool of main eventers, and he is only comedy value as a novelty, and us fickle fans will get bored of him quickly.

Triple H

Triple H - In times gone by he deserved a push, and received it to the max. However now that he is working in a managerial capacity, carrying injuries, and has dominated the main event scene on RAW for nearly 2 years now, it is time for the pushes to be give elsewhere, in order to ensure continuity for the business. Now HHH looks older, slower and less able to pull off a top notch match than he did 3 or 4 years ago. If he continues to wrestle for another 3 or 4 years, he will be a shadow of his former self, and will be doing nothing for the business, which has done plenty for him. In addition to this he doesn't need another push, as he is already at the main event level. He should be concentrating on putting over other wrestlers.

torrie wilson :)

Torrie Wilson - Smackdown's queen of eye candy. The only logical reason I could come up with for Torrie Wilson to get a push was when Big Show ended up chokeslamming Angle off the stand and breaking his leg. Pity it wasn't Torrie. She takes up valuable TV time sucking lollipops and showing off bikini's when we tune in to see a wrestling show. She's talentless, she can't wrestle, and even her playboy picks were airbrushed to hell! She's crap on a mic, can't dance, can't look sexy and doesn't even have the courtesy to 'accidentally' get her tits out on a regular basis. Doesn't even deserve a contract, let alone a push!

kenzo susuki :D

Kenzo Suzuki - while he may be a big name in Japan, he hasn't become aclimatised to the American style of wrestling, nor does he have a sufficient grasp of the language to understand what is being called to him from his armpit during a match. In addition, there are too many wrestlers being given pushes on Smackdown, and as a result there is already a shortage of jobbers, squashees, etc, so Kenzo should follow the time honoured tradition of joining WWe as a cruiserweight, getting reduced to Velocity after 4-6 weeks and then disappearing off our screens for 4 weeks prior to the announcement that he has been sent off to OVW for developmental training, after which he will never appear again on WWE TV. Plus he looks crap so far.

Kenzo SuZuki*

Kenzo Suzuki - See above!

next?

Rodney Mack

Ultimo Dragon, and it better be fucking good. :mad:

Rodney Mack - Is a hoss that Vince likes, but he's been injured so many times that no fan will buy into him long term. he sucks on the mic, his wrestling style is based on 'I'm stronger than you' and his delivery of it is pants. No real skill, no charisma, no appeal for the fans, and no interest. Should be fed to jobbers.

For you Mr Funky, I'll do my best.....

Ultimo Dragon - it would be easy to bring up the slip at WM20 as a reason, but in reality the writing was on the wall for his release/hiatus for long before that. He was promo'd for ages, he had one or two matches on Smackdown and within 6 weeks he was barely appearing on Velocity. It looked like we had Sean O'Haire v2 on our hands, anothe example of shocking booking. However, Ultimo did get the chance of a few matches and unfortunately never pulled anything startling out of the bag, while Mysterio was doing all kinds of fun stuff on Smackdown, so Ultimo was off to a losing start from day one.
While us internet fans all like, respect and worship Ultimo Dragon there are a lot of fans out there who only know what WWe have shown of him and their opinion is that he couldn't cut it.
Now the only way around this would be if he came back with another gimmick, wasn't called ultimo dragon, and got a push then.
But then......he wouldn't be Ultimo Dragon!
Either that or he could do himself a favour and learn his lesson and stay away from WWE.
Either way, no push for Ultimo Dragon.

kane, guys already say kane? oh well

Kane - been badly handled for ages now, and regardless of how many more main event spots he gets, he has no credibility. He nearly got some when he took the mask off and had the feud with Shane McMahon, but as usual Shane stole his thunder. Kane will forever be the big red jobbing monster and as such should continue in the role he has, because he cannot hold the title with any degree of credibility, plus his moveset is basic, and he often looks clumsy. For evidence, watch No Way Out when he dropped Regal on his head.

Christian
Randy Orton (not that I think he deserves it, but he's getting one anyway)
Shelton Benjamin

Randy Orton - this guy doesn't deserve a push. He is lacklustre on the microphone, he can act a bit, but not much, his finishing move is lamer than a bag full of broken horses, and he struts around thinking he's a bigger gay icon than Batista. He thinkd Flair is still the man, and besides all that, he's not ready for the main event, and needs great wrestlers to carry his matches for him.

Some of these are getting tough because I'm having to really be negative about wrestlers that I really like!

Anyway, I'll keep going.

Nowhere Man - did you edit?

Anyway,

Christian - this guy has been pushed but hasn't come up with anything outstanding since he was part of E & C. In fact the last great match I saw him in was TLC4, with 7 other wrestlers. Christian has a great work-rate, some good moves, and basically he has all the right ingredients, but he's been pushed for ages, and is getting nowhere. I say give him a regular mid-card slot, or get him back into a tag team where he works best. Had enough push as a singles wrestler already.

Shelton benjamin - again, this guy has all the ingredients, but hasn't had long enough to cook. Needs more tag matches, lower level singles matches, and time to develop experience. Right now he's getting pushed down out throats, in a kind of 'token-black-guy' way, incase Vince doesn't want the equal opps people on his case. He's got a future, but shouldn't be pushed for a couple of years yet.

He already mentioned Rey.

By B.I.G. do you mean Big Show?
I'll assume so:

Big Show - has had main event spots, titles, and has been murdered as a comedy giant on the show. He has had knee operations, and given his size and lifestyle, he can't have a huge life expectancy. He's fairly talented and I'm actually a fan, but on Smackdown he's pretty much main event level already. He should be used to help other peoples pushes, and not be pushed any further on his own, as he doesn't need it, and there's nowhere for him to go, as he's basically been beaten by everyone.

Mysterio - been done.

Billy Kidman - he's had some outstanding matches, but he's stuck in the cruiserweight rut. He should only be used to put other cruiserweights over, but by showing the skills they have. He had an excellent match against Jamie Noble at SS02, but that's as far as he should go. He's had his day, and if the rumours are true about Torrie's head being as inflated as her chest, then she'll get the bullet, and he'll go too.


Matt Hardy - Matt hardy (please read my post about 'Where's the mattitude' to see what I really think about Matt Hardy) Anyway Matt Hardy has been destroyed since he came back to RAW. He's been jobbed to everyone at mid-card level and lower, and now looks like one of the worst wrestlers on RAW. his V1 gimmick is dead, and now Kane has done his bird, and he's all weepy. Matt hardy's day's are gone, unless jeff comes back and Team Extreme reforms, and that's not gonna happen.

Charlie Haas - Basically the same as Shelton Benjamin. The All-American who didn't wrestle. Guy's got the ingredients, the potential, but needs time to mature into a good wrestler. Keen as hell right now, but needs at least 2 years before a serious push should come his way.

Au Contraire.....

Edge - He had a broken neck, which nowadays means a main event push.
He was writing internet columns when he was off, and also has a book due to be published any time now. He has had basically a year to build a fanbase back up and make his return legendary, his return promo debuted at WM20, the fans looked totally psyched, and he returned. blah, blah, blah. What has he done since his return? Jobbed to Orton a couple of times, held tag titles with the WWE champ?
Edge has blown the momentum he had, he also needs an image change, a heel turn, and a change of music, and above all, he needs to return to Smackdown. What he doesn't need on RAW is a push that will go nowhere.

ok, so ive heard u rant on about why all these guys shouldnt get pushes... so who do YOU think should get a push

ooooooooooooooooo :o

I actually thinkn quite a few of these guys should get pushes.
All I'm doing here is giving some people some entertainment, and giving myself a bit of a challenge as to how I can justify non-pushing anyone in the WWE.

I personally am a huge fan of RVD, Matt Hardy, & Jamie Noble.

But then it's all fun.........

Was that meant in a 'Saucer of milk, table two' fashion?

sure whatever you say man, but let me tell you this, kane SHOULD get a push i mean come one kane has like gone on top for like overnight like 1 time

Any chance you can throw me a bone with that frickin sentence please?
Please insert some punctuation, like, because I'm having like real difficulty in figuring out like, exactly, like, what you're saying/asking?

ok, kane has won the champ. like 2 times right? or something all i want to see is for him to win tonight, and maybe he'll stay champ a couple months then lose it and that'll be his "big "push" "

Since Dave Youell isn't getting a push, Can Ian and King Jericho have one?.

I would say no on general principle, however in fairness to them I haven't ever seen them wrestle.
King Jericho I rate quite highly as a poster, however Ian has only posted once in any discussion we've have and I quote:
Ian is in no way deserving of a push.

However, the hard and fast point of this entire thread is that I still must spread some rep around before making Ferocios Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikkk!!!!!!!!

I think that big_bluto needs to feud with the rest of his heel stable, a new leader steps up to kick him out, and he gets a huge face push to move up the TPWW forums.

big_bluto is the man :y:

I'm scared that Mayo has inside info

* Regal
* Haas

My thanks go out to Mayo, however I have some way to go prior to becoming 'da man', as I only reached the exalted ranks of 'brilliant' about 2 hours ago.!



Ferocious, fret ye not, my good fellow......
Under-rated I am, under-rated I shall remain.
(for the time being)

Regal - William Regal has been out injured for quite a while now, and people have probably forgotten that the only reason he had a contract is so that there is someone british on the books, so that the WWE can feel good about extracting loads of money from us UK folks across the pond. While he is good on the mic, his physique is rotten, he's getting on a bit, and he's never been that great at having matches that were anything other than mediocre. This guy should stick to what he's good at which is manager/commissioner, and only go into the ring when absolutely neccessary. Push him? Sh</>it no!

Haas - been done.

HBK

Can't, shouldn't and probably will happen.
However they need to give him something to do until Matt Hardy becomes credible enough to destroy him.

A-Train - Big hairy hoss, who can move suprisingly quick for such a large chap, and he has a fair few moves in his repertoire. What lets him down in such a big way is his vocabulary ( currently standing at 3 different grunts). As such he'll never be able to get any kind of storyline over, apart from mini-feuds and squash matches, and he'll forever be a sidekick. Why push a side-kick when they're obviously a side-kick for a reason. A-Train should stay at hsi current level as that is the limit of his talent.

Nah Ferocious, I was just complimenting bluto in a joking manner. I have no inside info, and no beef with you, since I think that you are also a great poster. Maybe you shall become the new leader of jWo in the future??? :shifty:

[/stirring the pot]

HBK - The Has Been Kid.
He thinks he's cute, he thinks he's sexy, dimensia has set in, along with his incipient baldness, resulting in someone who isn't cute, sexy or heart-breaking in any capacity anymore. Let's just say what he is - an older guy, struggling and fighting hard to recapture the glory days of his youth. Carrying a bad back, still puts on quality matches, but it's the same sh</>it, different century.
Michaels should be putting over other wrestlers, as he is a recognised main eventer and has been for years. He should be getting younger talent into legendary matches like the street fight he had a few years back with HHH, not getting pushed himself. Besides all that, he's getting too close to retirement now.

^^^^^
Master of the spoon!:rofl:

Pat Patterson

Oooohhhhh!!!!!!! deadlyheaven pulls out a vintage!

I suppose the question I am asking is to tell me a wrestler who deserves to get pushed and I'll tell you why not..

Pat Paterson is too old now, he jobbed to Christian and got laid out with one punch at the IC Battle Royal, he hasn't wrestled competitively for many moons now, and to give him a push wouldn't be doing him any favours, because he should be enjoying his retirement from the ring, playing golf and stuff, and enjoying life. Much as I believe he would make a better champ than JBL, I don't think the fans would believe it credible.

I think Evil Doink should reappear and be pushed as a face on Smackdown.

Evil Doink - this would be a bad idea, because there are too many pushes currently going on on Smackdown at present, and while there may be a requirement to establish anothe credible heel it might be better to turn RVD or John Cena heel in order to maintain a fanbase. While this may leave a vacacy for a face such as 'Face Evil Doink' to join the roster, it would be a case of too many, too soon, and there are only so many jobbers to go around. So no, but a not bad idea - Face Evil Doink,:lol:

What about Orlando Jordan in a TNT gimmick?

What? Wrap him in dynamite and blow him up?
Didn't the Klan get into shit for stuff like that a few years back?

I'm off to bed now, because it's about 3.30am or something and I'm knackered.

If you guys come up with any more suggestions, post them on and I'll do them tomorrow.


Bluto

'Latino Heat' Eddie Guerrero

Back at it again:

Orlando Jordan - This is the guy who was trained by The Rock's father, has had matches against a few main eventers, but has almost gained permanent residence on Velocity.
He has physique, haven't seen much in the way of charisma, but I do like his strut down to the ramp. However I haven't seen anything from him that makes him worthy of a push, in comparison to the rest of the jobbers that live on Velocity, with the exception of Hardcore Holly. But then he should live on House Shows. In shitsville, nebraska.

Eddie Guerrero - this guy has talent, he has bags of charisma, a fairly limited vocabulary, and an awesome moveset, but he's been around forever. His history with the drugs and booze still lingers around, and I'm confident that no matter how hard he tried to have outstanding matches with JBL, and he totallly carried all of them, but nevertheless they gave the strap to Bradshaw, basically because they thought that Eddie wasn't bringing in enough money.
Eddie will be destroyed over this, and with Chavo Classic getting the bullet, and little Chavo losing the belt, paranoia is going to set in, and he will become very disillusioned with WWE very quickly.
As a result his performance and reliability will deteriorate rapidly, and before you know it, he'll be off Smackdown, and only appearing when they need a decent quality jobber for a match, when Bob Holly isn't available.

If I was a wrestler I'd deserve a push, I'd work hard for it.

Ferocious - In a shock reprisal of your thread, I would have to label you as a wrestler, and I think you would be Jericho. Cocky, funny and sharp, and able to hold his own in any match, able to dazzle at times, able to make others look good, while all the time holding credibility.
You DO deserve a push, and I believe you have been getting one as a poster of some repute.

Woot Woot ^^^^

Page 3!
Frickin Heck!

Hardcore Holly

Hardcore Holly - his time has been and gone, and should never return. He got a main event push against Brock, dreadful match. The simple fact of the matter is that Hardcore Holly will never be a main event performer, his attitude sucks, and as a wrestler and on a mic, he should be beaten to death with Big Show's crusty boots. A push for Hardcore Holly would be the final nail in the coffin for Smackdown.

Daniels

Rhyno

Rhyno - a big draw at ECW, came into a good start during the invasion, but since returning from his injury he has been a bit lacklustre. There haven't been any standout performances from Rhyno on a regular enough basis to justify any sort of push. I don't believe he should be buried, as he currently is on RAW, but he's in the position he should be in at WWE. Midcard jobber.

Sorry, but I ain't seen any of his matches. Not exactly fair for me to de-push him when I don't know what he's capable of.:)

BEST MOONSAULT EVER

Hmm....running out of guys to throw into the line of fire here.

Tajiri?

Mordecai

Kamala

Al Snow: Capable guy that still wrestles. Whether or not he has a wrestling contract is irrelavent, they have the potential to put him in good quality match-ups. I think saying he's past it is pathetic. Al Snow has still got it, and will have it more than most people in the lockerroom.

Val Venis: Probably the most underrated guy in the WWE. Venis gets pops whenever he works, and as Chief Morely he almost stole all of Eric Bischoff's heat. Venis is a top notch worker with a top notch gimmick that gets top notch responses. Do the math.

Funaki: Funaki has been recently shown a bit more. In the Cruiserwight Battle Royal on SmackDown!, he lasted a while. If they gave him a shot for the title, you'd see how unfunny he'd become in the ring.

Paul London: Is a cruiserwight legend, and I've never been graced by his greatness. I fail to see how a guy that can do the best Shooting Star in the business, and pull of an amazing 450 is undeserving. Vince doesn't dislike small guys, he just has the business sense to push the big ones. If Vince doesn't like small guys, then why do we see Chavo, Rey and Jamie on our screens each week? Not to mention the regular appearances of Funaki and Nunzio? From what I've heard, some people think London's even better than Mysterio. I'd like to see a breathe off Velocity for that little guy.

Tajiri - He's innovative, talented, but stuck with a crappy gimmick of spitting in peoples faces. He will never get another push now that he's moved to RAW, as he will be promptly buried, and was only moved from Smackdown to make way for Kenzo Suzuki. Too small on a show full of big guys.

Ric Flair - the Nature boy is a complete legend, and like most legends, he's pretty ancient. He can't put on matches of the same sort of calibre that he did years ago, however he can teach others and put over other wrestlers. This should be his sole purpose in WWE, not getting a push in front of others.
Oh yeah.....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Mordecai - green, nervous, takes ages to get to the ring, and what do we see? Squashes against CW's? A win against Bob Holly. Pretty soon this guy is gonna run out of jobbers, and then we'll see what he's really like. From all accounts he's quite inexperienced in the ring, so then we'll find out that his gimmick is better than he is. He shouldn't be pushed any further than the CW area, where he is now. If he stays at that level he could be used to work with other CW's, develop in-ring experience, and should stay there for at least 2 years. By that point everyone will be sick of his gimmick and it'll be back to OVW. Cheerio!

Kamala - haven't seen him/her. No comment.

Alienoid06 - You must spread some reputation, etc.

I never said I believed what I was typing here.
In all reality I believe that a lot of these wrestlers I've de-pushed here SHOULD be pushed, and some of them WILL go on to greatness.

It's just a challenge to myself to see if I can do it.

Kamala, The big scary tribal dude with the moon on his tummy :( Slightly oldschool I know but surely you remember him?