Bret Hart's response to Flairs comments
 

As a huge Bret Hart fan i am a frequent visitor to his site.Here are his comments to Flairs book.

"I'm loading up my shotgun to respond to what Ric Flair wrote in his book, not just about me, but about several other respected collegues.
Mr. Magoo doesn't know what he's talking about"


That is straight from www.brethart.com

LOL He has a section titled "Montreal" on his website. :rofl:

Yeah. Vince needs to let it go.

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Dumbass it's for the rejects who still dont know the full story. He gets tons of email about that still, he's tired of talking about it.

It's there to educate the masses.

Vince is the guy still using it on his tv shows on a regular basis.

LOL

You Hitman marks crack me up.

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I fucking despise bret.

^ Then we agree on something.

Actually, I take that back. I'm a big fan of his in-ring work, and I liked him up until 1997, when he turned into a whiny bitch. I feel bad for the tragedies that have fallen on his family, but I have no pity for what happened in Montreal or any problems that befell him in WCW.

Oh loopy, don't make me go off. If there is one thing that can push my button, it's this. ;)

I love you loopy.

Bret Hart is a whiney bitch...

*sits back, grabs Popcorn*

This should be fun...

I was agreeing with you pretty much up until " ;) ". :mad:

*climbs into a foxhole, puts on a helmet, and waits for Rob to see this*

Don't ruin my fun.....:(

Can I get in also?

:wavesad:

I won't even comment here because I'll explode like Peter North....

Although,I guess my last post counts as a comment - and so does this one - so yeah, I lied...tough shit :mad:

Before I ask you to comment, Kayfabe, lemme get my umbrella.

Just remember. Bret had CREATIVE CONTROL in his contract and WAS WILLING to do the JOB to MICHAELS the next nigh on RAW. And he was willing to do the JOB to anyone else at Survivor Series except Michaels. Can't Blame Hart for not wanting to job to Micahels though cause that prick didn't want to JOB to him a couple of times before. :mad:

couldn't contain myself :wave:

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Actually I dont hate bret, in fact I'm a huge mark of his and damn proud to be.
And since I witnesed the screwjob live and in person, I can safely say I will always hate vince, even though at the time I didn't know wtf was going on.

Huh?

Just a moment ago, you said...

If he did have creative control, why didnt Bret sue for breach of contract?



Just throwing some shit on the fire :shifty:

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I was being sarcastic man. Trust me, take a look at some of my posts on this forum and on rajah's..I'm anything but a bret despiser.:)

And this is a big reason why I loathe Creative Control clauses in contracts. When the wrestlers can choose who they do and don't want to job to on any given night, then that leaves the writers in a hell of a bind.

This is why so many people hate Triple H, so why do people love Bret Hart for the same reason? You'll all be creaming yourselves if Vince does a screwjob on Trips if he doesn't do a proper job to, say, Chris Jericho.

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well if there was a creative control clause it was because vince agreed to it. also bret was doing vince a favour by leaving in the middle of his contract. anyways yeah, this has been done to death.

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Flair > Hart

Flair comments on Hart (amongst others) where dead on...Bret Hart is a needs a good swift kick in the balls sometimes.

Here we go again :naughty:

..Is it bret's fault vince authorized it? Agreed to it? If vince didn't think Bret was loyal and worked hard enough for it, he never would have gave it. Vince put himself in this spot.

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Nah, if flair had any valid reason for bashing bret, it definitely would not have been about a situation he was never involved in. He had no reason to include it in his book. He just wanted to suck ass again and sell more copies by using a big tragedy and a bigger name then his.

...............so anyone here in the mood for some some S'mores...I mean we already have a fire going...

I'm not condoning HBK by any means (though I'll always be a mark for his character), because he has the proverbial blood on his hands, too. He should have jobbed to Bret (and to several others), but just because he didn't doesn't give Bret any right to do the same.

He should have taken the high road, done what was asked of him (WHEN it was asked of him), then made Vince pay by pushing WCW even further over the top. Instead, he tried to pull a power play, got screwed, and has been complaining about it ever since.

I never said that Flair was RIGHT to put the incident in the book...just that he had it dead on correct...I agree he really dosn't need to talk about it (then again neither does any of the Wrestler's in their autobiographies) but since that fact is past I pointed out that his comments on Bret, along with his comments on many other superstars, where dead on.

I'm not saying Vince shouldn't have agreed to it, because he really had no reason to believe that Bret would walk out on him (good call, Vince :roll: ). In a world of Creative Control clauses, that one made sense.

I'm saying that Creative Control clauses are the devil's handiwork and shouldn't exist at all, because they give wrestlers a sense of entitlement that, frankly, they don't deserve. Bret shouldn't have had one, Michaels shouldn't have one, Triple H shouldn't have one, no one should have Creative Control clauses in their contracts.

Because of situations like this.

The reason it can't...or wather won't be dropped...is this (pro wrestling) is what we find important. Just like Millie Vanille (or however you spell it) won the Grammy like 14 years ago and people still talk about it...it is a big deal, especially since there is blame to pass around on all 3 (HBK, Hart, McMahon)...the big question that gets to everyone though is who is to blame the most?

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Okay, I got ya. I can understand your point of view.

We have an accord. ;)

This is exactly how I feel about the Montreal situation, although I might add one more thing:

Bret should stop playing "innocent victim"

:y::y:

As much as he, and countless fans disagree, doing the job, would have been the right, and professional thing to do that night.

Roddy Piper???: I mean seriously...Roddy never trusted a single person in the business ever. It's not even like he had a bad experience where he got the shaft that changed him...he never worked for the good of the company, only for the good of Roddy. That's why he never got the big pushes when he was mass over....He always had his gaurd up on everyone...NWA, WWF, WCW...all of them, and he blames them for not pushing him to the moon. Well maybe they WOULD have if he would have been a team player.

For Bret to take ANY advice from Roddy (in the ring or out) is a damn shame because as much as I dislike Hitman, he is far suprior to Roddy in every way.

Bret Hart will forever kick ass in my book.

Montreal was total bullshit, because while Bret
pulled what's now being called "The Pelinka Polka"
to go to WCW, there was no doubt he would have
dropped the belt on TV before leaving. There's
no way he would have vacated the belt and then
go on to WCW. No way, period.

This commentary was kind of funny though.

:wtf: Bret walked out on Vince???? Hello, Vince told him they were going to breach his contract because they can't pay him and advised him to talk to WCW. It was Vince who told Bret to leave.

I compare the whole Bret Hart Montreal situation like this:

Say you work for a business for 10-15 years. You work your way from the bottom all the way to the top, in the process, doing everything that your asked to do. You don't jump ship for another "company" even though they are offering you alot more money, you agree to stay with who your working for because you are very loyal.

Then one day, the company you've been loyal to for 10-15 years, comes to you and tells you they can't afford to keep you anymore and to take the other job that's been offered to you. After all you've done for the company, wouldn't/shouldn't you expect to be appreciated and giving the choice to look good in front of everyone who respect's you?

We all know Bret would have done the right thing the next night on Raw. His 10-15 years of Loyalty proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Why does this light a fire under everybodies ass? Probably because everyone wonder's what things might have been like if Montreal never happened.

Youch! His comments on Flair are scathing, awesome but scathing. Not saying I agree with it all but wow. One thing about Bret he's never afraid to defend himself.

http://www.brethart.com/comments.asp for the full article.

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Holy shit! Bret totally ripped flair a new asshole. That was even better then the one on OLe!!

Bret tells it like it is.

I think Bret said it perfectly. I bought Flair's DVD to see what the fuss was all about. I had never watched a lot of NWA stuff before. I can honestly say that none of the matches on this set can match what Bret Hart could do.

Hart was one of the best of his time. HBK was too, but backstage politics, the KLIQ, everything fucked everything up. You guys wonder why we will never see Bret Hart on WWE TV in the near future. Cause everytime they visit Canada, Vince rebrings it up just to dump shit on the fans in Montreal and the wrestling world. It happened 7 years ago, get the fuck off of it. Honestly, if you feel that poorly about something that happened 7 years ago, no matter how much of an asshole it made Vince or HBK look, it doesn't matter because what it all boils down to is one thing: IT WAS BUSINESS.

Bret Hart is a whiny bitch.
Get over it.

"For Flair to demean Randy Savage and Mick Foley is outrageous! In my
opinion, as someone who has worked with all three of them (and everybody else
from that era too) Ric Flair couldn't even lace up Randy and Mick’s boots! "

See post above yours.

Ric Flair was a million times the wrestler Mick Foley was, if Bret is questioning that than maybe that kicked did a bit more to his brain than we all thought.

And just for the record, I'm sick of Hart's seemingly holier than thou attitude.

Have to agree with everything in that article, flairs classed as a "legend" but in the long run if you watch one flair match you may as well have watched his entire career because theres usually very little variation in his matches. How hard could it be to repeat the same routine night after night? Not as if he would have to work hard at it like other wrestlers, doing the same shit night after night you'd have the routine down after a month.

I already know what Bret Hart writes in his little column....

Week 1:

Week 2:

Week 3:

Week 5:

Week 7:

That was heartless mitch, making fun of his stroke is one thing, but making fun of his finacial situation is another. :nono:

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It seems the flair fans have come out and cant stand the fact flair was exposed as the fraud he always has been.

Ahhh, Bret you've been gone from the company almost 7 years, yet you still draw the most passion and heated debates from the fans after all this time. That's saying something.

People just cant stop thinking of this man.

At least Flair still has full use of his body.

ZING.

Yes, it says stop being a whiney bitch and shut up so everyone can move on.

Loopy,

Vince is the one who cant let Montreal go. All of his major angles from Nov 1997 to like 2002 or something were all based on Montreal in some aspect. And even after that he had HBk do that bit in Montreal where they played up the Screwjob on RAW. So never doubt this, its Vince who cant let it go.

Anyway, I used to be against Bret on the Montreal issue, but the more I read ont he issue (thanks motly to Meltzer) the more sympathy I have for Bret. Yeah Bret could have just jobbed to HBK in Montreal, but why shoudl he when HBK said to his face that he wouldn't do the same for Bret? Bret had the clause (which was put in his contract by Vince who was not under duress when the ocntract was signed FYI), so wyhy shouldn't he be able to use it?

The only way Bret would come off as an ass in that situation if he would have been difficult about how to JOB the belt.

One main reason why I used to side with Vince on this issue is the fear that Bret would show up on Nitro with the WWE Title. But if Vince really knew Bret like he claimed he did, then he would know Bret would NEVER do something like that to disrespect the WWE.

Yeah Bret could have bent over backwards to help HBK and Vince, but they weren't doing anything for him (after so many years of service) so why should he do even more for them?

As for Bret's comments, I loved them, he put Flair in his place. Man would I love to have the tape of his talking down to Flair.

I place money on Flair in a shootfight between him and Bret.

Just tip over Bret's wheelchair and Flair will have him beat.

But Bret made himself a hypocrite, he refused to job to Shawn because Shawn refused to job to him. That's extremely mature. Creative control or no creative control, he's still a hypocrite.

All parties involved are guilty.

I'm sure Bret could replace that old lady in the "I'm falling and I can't get up!" commercials.

Bret's new catchphrase: "I'm fallen and I can't walk!"

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It's hard to do something for someone who is a disgrace to the way the business should go down. I think that is how Bret thought of it, and I couldn't blame him.

Does that make him any less of a hypocrite?

Wrong, if I have a contract with a company that says I get to choose my replacement and then I go ahead and exercise that clause in my contract that doesn't make me guilty of anything. Thats just living up to the contract.

The only way you could accuse him if Bret would have said the only way I'm dropping the title is if I lose a 20 on 1 match and nobody actually beats him for the title. He didn't do anything like that, so Vince is guilty of creating a bad situation.

What does Bret and Owen Hart have in common (nevermind them being brothers)?

They both can't walk!

ZIIIIIIIIING!

Yes, Bret had creative control but Bret chose not to do a job, in the best interest of the company. for the reason that Shawn refused to job to him.

Rather Bret had creative control isn't an issue in that fact. Bret did the same thing he blamed Shawn of, for the simple reason that Shawn did it to him. That's hypocritical in my opionion. I see your point, and I'm not going to try and change your mind because it's very valid, just stating how I feel.

Honestly, I think all three are guilty, none any less than the other.

What does Bret Hart and Jeff Jarrett have in common?

They have all the stroke.

What was the difference between Ric Flair's and Bret Hart's stroke?

Bret Hart's stroke was a tragic and upsetting event.

Why hasn't Bret Hart masterbated in years?

Because masterbation is wrong.

What's Bret Hart's new nickname?

The Man Among Men.

Me too man me to.

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You best be sarcastic saviour! :yes:

He was talking about how much they put in to their matches.

:nono: Funky, you want this one?

But Shawn didn't have the stip in his contract, so when HBK refused to do a JOB its being a Ric Flair (definition from the Shane Douglas book of words), whereas with Bret he had the right.

If you think its bad for business blame Vince for putting it in the contract in the first place.

Oh Vince is more at fault than anyone in my opinion. Doesn't make Bret any less of a hyprocrite to me though. Doubt that'll ever change in my mind.

I admire Bret Hart.

<font color=969696>That commentary was awesome. Bret Hart is still number one.</font>

He's number one to me too.