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Old 07-12-2004, 07:15 PM   #1
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Bret Hart's response to Flairs comments
As a huge Bret Hart fan i am a frequent visitor to his site.Here are his comments to Flairs book.

"I'm loading up my shotgun to respond to what Ric Flair wrote in his book, not just about me, but about several other respected collegues.
Mr. Magoo doesn't know what he's talking about"


That is straight from www.brethart.com
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Old 07-12-2004, 07:17 PM   #2
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LOL He has a section titled "Montreal" on his website.

Yeah. Vince needs to let it go.
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Dumbass it's for the rejects who still dont know the full story. He gets tons of email about that still, he's tired of talking about it.

It's there to educate the masses.

Vince is the guy still using it on his tv shows on a regular basis.
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Dumbass (...) he's tired of talking about it.
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I fucking despise bret.
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^ Then we agree on something.

Actually, I take that back. I'm a big fan of his in-ring work, and I liked him up until 1997, when he turned into a whiny bitch. I feel bad for the tragedies that have fallen on his family, but I have no pity for what happened in Montreal or any problems that befell him in WCW.
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Old 07-12-2004, 07:46 PM   #7
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Oh loopy, don't make me go off. If there is one thing that can push my button, it's this.
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Oh loopy, don't make me go off. If there is one thing that can push my button, it's this.
Bret Hart is a whiney bitch...

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Oh loopy, don't make me go off. If there is one thing that can push my button, it's this.
I was agreeing with you pretty much up until " ".
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:11 PM   #11
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Look, I've said eveything I can basically say about Montreal in that other thead a month back.
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Look, I've said eveything I can basically say about Montreal in that other thead a month back.
Don't ruin my fun.....
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:24 PM   #18
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Just remember. Bret had CREATIVE CONTROL in his contract and WAS WILLING to do the JOB to MICHAELS the next nigh on RAW. And he was willing to do the JOB to anyone else at Survivor Series except Michaels. Can't Blame Hart for not wanting to job to Micahels though cause that prick didn't want to JOB to him a couple of times before.
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:26 PM   #20
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Actually I dont hate bret, in fact I'm a huge mark of his and damn proud to be.
And since I witnesed the screwjob live and in person, I can safely say I will always hate vince, even though at the time I didn't know wtf was going on.
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:30 PM   #21
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Actually I dont hate bret, in fact I'm a huge mark of his and damn proud to be.
And since I witnesed the screwjob live and in person, I can safely say I will always hate vince, even though at the time I didn't know wtf was going on.
Huh?

Just a moment ago, you said...

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Just remember. Bret had CREATIVE CONTROL in his contract and WAS WILLING to do the JOB to MICHAELS the next nigh on RAW. And he was willing to do the JOB to anyone else at Survivor Series except Michaels. Can't Blame Hart for not wanting to job to Micahels though cause that prick didn't want to JOB to him a couple of times before.
If he did have creative control, why didnt Bret sue for breach of contract?



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Huh?

Just a moment ago, you said...
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I was being sarcastic man. Trust me, take a look at some of my posts on this forum and on rajah's..I'm anything but a bret despiser.
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Just remember. Bret had CREATIVE CONTROL in his contract and WAS WILLING to do the JOB to MICHAELS the next nigh on RAW. And he was willing to do the JOB to anyone else at Survivor Series except Michaels. Can't Blame Hart for not wanting to job to Micahels though cause that prick didn't want to JOB to him a couple of times before.
And this is a big reason why I loathe Creative Control clauses in contracts. When the wrestlers can choose who they do and don't want to job to on any given night, then that leaves the writers in a hell of a bind.

This is why so many people hate Triple H, so why do people love Bret Hart for the same reason? You'll all be creaming yourselves if Vince does a screwjob on Trips if he doesn't do a proper job to, say, Chris Jericho.
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You go to understand though. Bret was willing to job to anyone except Michaels. It's not like HHH where he just basically doesn't want to job to anyone. Bret has put a lot of guys over in his career and if it were anyone else, Bret would of put them ovr at Survivor Series. Mankind, Austin were some other names. It's in Foley's book

Why should he have any respect for Michaels during that time. Michaels had none for him and when Michaels was suppossed to drop the Title to him at Mania, HBK pulled out with a so called "injury" Fk'n Brain injury if you ask me. Michales was nothing but a dick who, like HHH, didn't want to do any jobs. That's why he never got beat for the Title back in that time. He only got beat months later when he was seriously injured and was thinking about retiring.
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well if there was a creative control clause it was because vince agreed to it. also bret was doing vince a favour by leaving in the middle of his contract. anyways yeah, this has been done to death.
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lol, why can't people just forget it now?

Someone screwed someone, it was shocking, they bitch at each other for years....end of story.


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Flair > Hart

Flair comments on Hart (amongst others) where dead on...Bret Hart is a needs a good swift kick in the balls sometimes.
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And this is a big reason why I loathe Creative Control clauses in contracts. When the wrestlers can choose who they do and don't want to job to on any given night, then that leaves the writers in a hell of a bind.

This is why so many people hate Triple H, so why do people love Bret Hart for the same reason? You'll all be creaming yourselves if Vince does a screwjob on Trips if he doesn't do a proper job to, say, Chris Jericho.
..Is it bret's fault vince authorized it? Agreed to it? If vince didn't think Bret was loyal and worked hard enough for it, he never would have gave it. Vince put himself in this spot.
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Flair > Hart

Flair comments on Hart (amongst others) where dead on...Bret Hart is a needs a good swift kick in the balls sometimes.

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Nah, if flair had any valid reason for bashing bret, it definitely would not have been about a situation he was never involved in. He had no reason to include it in his book. He just wanted to suck ass again and sell more copies by using a big tragedy and a bigger name then his.
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You go to understand though. Bret was willing to job to anyone except Michaels. It's not like HHH where he just basically doesn't want to job to anyone. Bret has put a lot of guys over in his career and if it were anyone else, Bret would of put them ovr at Survivor Series. Mankind, Austin were some other names. It's in Foley's book

Why should he have any respect for Michaels during that time. Michaels had none for him and when Michaels was suppossed to drop the Title to him at Mania, HBK pulled out with a so called "injury" Fk'n Brain injury if you ask me. Michales was nothing but a dick who, like HHH, didn't want to do any jobs. That's why he never got beat for the Title back in that time. He only got beat months later when he was seriously injured and was thinking about retiring.
I'm not condoning HBK by any means (though I'll always be a mark for his character), because he has the proverbial blood on his hands, too. He should have jobbed to Bret (and to several others), but just because he didn't doesn't give Bret any right to do the same.

He should have taken the high road, done what was asked of him (WHEN it was asked of him), then made Vince pay by pushing WCW even further over the top. Instead, he tried to pull a power play, got screwed, and has been complaining about it ever since.
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Nah, if flair had any valid reason for bashing bret, it definitely would not have been about a situation he was never involved in. He had no reason to include it in his book. He just wanted to suck ass again and sell more copies by using a big tragedy and a bigger name then his.
I never said that Flair was RIGHT to put the incident in the book...just that he had it dead on correct...I agree he really dosn't need to talk about it (then again neither does any of the Wrestler's in their autobiographies) but since that fact is past I pointed out that his comments on Bret, along with his comments on many other superstars, where dead on.
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1997
1997 people. Almost 7 full years ago. Why the fuck can't it just be dropped.


(I am fully aware I brought up Bret being a whiney bitch earlier in thisthread, that was just for a laugh)
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..Is it bret's fault vince authorized it? Agreed to it? If vince didn't think Bret was loyal and worked hard enough for it, he never would have gave it. Vince put himself in this spot.
I'm not saying Vince shouldn't have agreed to it, because he really had no reason to believe that Bret would walk out on him (good call, Vince ). In a world of Creative Control clauses, that one made sense.

I'm saying that Creative Control clauses are the devil's handiwork and shouldn't exist at all, because they give wrestlers a sense of entitlement that, frankly, they don't deserve. Bret shouldn't have had one, Michaels shouldn't have one, Triple H shouldn't have one, no one should have Creative Control clauses in their contracts.

Because of situations like this.
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:59 PM   #38
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1997 people. Almost 7 full years ago. Why the fuck can't it just be dropped.


(I am fully aware I brought up Bret being a whiney bitch earlier in thisthread, that was just for a laugh)
The reason it can't...or wather won't be dropped...is this (pro wrestling) is what we find important. Just like Millie Vanille (or however you spell it) won the Grammy like 14 years ago and people still talk about it...it is a big deal, especially since there is blame to pass around on all 3 (HBK, Hart, McMahon)...the big question that gets to everyone though is who is to blame the most?
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:04 PM   #39
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I'm not saying Vince shouldn't have agreed to it, because he really had no reason to believe that Bret would walk out on him (good call, Vince ). In a world of Creative Control clauses, that one made sense.

I'm saying that Creative Control clauses are the devil's handiwork and shouldn't exist at all, because they give wrestlers a sense of entitlement that, frankly, they don't deserve. Bret shouldn't have had one, Michaels shouldn't have one, Triple H shouldn't have one, no one should have Creative Control clauses in their contracts.

Because of situations like this.

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Okay, I got ya. I can understand your point of view.
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I know we find it it important, I know the whole situation was wrong. There are so many factors to incorporate into it, 100% blame will never be placed.

I just find it hard to understand why an event that happned 7 years ago, still touches so many nerves with the slightest mention.

Back to the topic at hand....yeah, Ric Flair needs shooting.
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