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BCWWF 05-13-2005 03:53 AM

NFL 2006 Preview
 
I made this post in the other topic, and that post wasn't at all about football, and I figured that this is just too damn good of a read to let sit alone. You guys can hold me to anything that I say in this thread, as I think it covers every little detail possible in the preseason.

1. The original No. 1 was not applicable to this thread, so I changed it.

2. The Vikings offense will definately be a lot different. I think there is way too much pressure being put on Nate Burleson, to be the No. 1 reciever, and I guess Marcus Robinson is supposed to have a big role too now. I have heard some good things about Williamson in mini-camp so far though, like one of the first days he burned Smoot down the sideline for an 80 yard catch, so hopefully he can add some spark. I'm not sure what to expect, I'd never heard of him until the draft coverage started up.

3. I don't know if anybody saw, but Onterrio Smith, aka Steal of the Draft 2003, was caught at an airport security site with a "Whizzinator". I am pretty sure this is the system where you put a sack of piss up your ass and a little tube goes under your dick so you can pass drug tests. Anyway, he had drug problems in college (which is why he fell to the third round to begin with) and already had at least one marijuana suspension in his two years in the NFL. He will be done for the season if he is convicted here. Personally, I think he should be sent out right now. We got rid of Moss, this guy is worse, and we don't need him. He is our No. 2 running back right now, behind Michael Bennett, but our RB situation is really messed up as it is.

Bennett is pretty much our main guy (first round 2002 I think). He went for 1200 yards his second year, but the last two have been injury prone. Onterrio played a big role last year, playing first string some games, and has potential to be a No. 1 somewhere, potentially here if he is kept. Mewelde Moore is Alphabeans hero, and the games where he saw a lot of action (Bennett injured, Onterrio suspended) he went over 100 yards and caught the ball well too, but there are concerns about his stability. Finally, we drafted a new running back (weird name, Florida, third or fourth round) who supposively has some talent.

So right now there are five running backs who are all good. Moe Williams will still be around, he is the third down back and can do his thing, but he's 31 now. Mewelde will probably still play in the reserve role, but that leaves us with two more guys who are about equal with him, and we need to move one. It used to be Bennett, but after this I think it will be SOD, so I don't care if its for a sixth round DP, Smith has to be gone. Our running backs couldn't get the groove going last year because Tice decided to start a new one each week. We need Bennett to be ready every week, and he will be good.

Our running game is going to have to be a much bigger part of the team this year without Moss, and it arguably should have been a bigger part last year. The backs we have are definately capable, but now we need to use them right, and its not going to work on a rotation.

4. Unfortunately for the Packers, this shouldn't be their year. All they did was lose in the offseason. Brett Favre loses another year and is drawn further away from football (wife has cancer), lose starting safety to what is already is weak defense (to Minnesota of all teams), Ahman Green had a bit of an off year last season, and now he is having trouble with the law, and now their pro bowl reciever is holding out for a bigger contract, and Favre is telling the Packers that he is a douche and that they can win without him so not to give in. He was a big part in last year, he made it OK for Ahman not to have the career year that he was expected to.

Personally, I think that the Lions could be the No. 2 and possibly a playoff team in the NFC North. I don't know where I heard it (might have been here), but somebody said "Portland passed on Michael Jordan because they wanted a big man" in reference to Detroit taking Mike Williams. I think that is a great analogy, and the offense could really turn out well for them, and it will give defenses fits if all three of them stay healthy this year. Then they got Shaun Cody in the second round, who was expected to go pretty high in the first. Then I'm not going to count out the Bears because I think Cedrid Benson could be huge over there, and now they definately have the weapons on offense to win some games, as well as a solid defense.

The Packers really just didn't do anything to make their team better this year, and frankly they won the NFC North last year because Moss' injury helped the Vikings choke away some easy wins. The Packers weren't that strong last year and Favre was showing his age, and this year they are even weaker. The whole Aaron Rodgers thing is two sided. In one way, you want the Packers to add somebody to impact things and help Favre in his last year, but in the other side here is a guy who potentially could have gone first overall, and you have a quarterback with one, maybe two years left. I think the Pack made the right decision there, but could have been smarter in the second and third as well as in free agency.

I won't completely count the Pack out this year though, I did last year before I was reminded just how good Brett Favre can really be. They started out horrible and then came roaring back, so until I see the L's piling up next year, I won't say there isn't a chance.

5. The Vikings are a legit Super Bowl contender this season, you're hearing it right now. They could have been last season, but the young players on defense (and some veterans) blew it all away for them (Hovan, Dontarrius, Kenichi, Mixon, Russell, etc). What makes me confident that they are at least the second best team, if not the first, in the NFC, is that they should have a top defense this year, and it isn't all based around young players growing up.

Last year while healthy, Winfield was one of the top CB's in the league and easilly a pro bowl caliber player if he was healthy. The rest of the secondary frankly stunk, but now that is different. Corey Chavous, one of the smartest players around, is back at safety, and then they added another lights out corner in Fred Smoot and a very good safety in Sharper. Our third down backs will be guys who started last year for us, so I think we should have one of the top secondaries in the league. Then, the defensive line should also be one of the top in the league. All-pro Kevin Williams is back, and this year he will have better help. Last season Hovan hit the wall and was benched so he was playing alongside a rookie, Kenichi was essentially playing with one arm, and Mixon was out with a DWI and bad for the rest of the year. It should have been a great line but instead was just average. This year, Kenichi should be healthy, and if so he has a lot of potential (fell to middle of first round in 2004 draft because of the injury questions though). Then you have the new addition of Pat Williams in the center. Williams may not be all that great, but he can do the same thing that Warren Sapp and Tony Siragussa did, take up space and let the other guys get through. Kevin Williams will be next to him in the DT position, and then on the outside will likely be first round DP Erasmus James. I wanted to Pollack, but like Erasmus too. There is also the speedy Lance Johnstone available for the outside too. Then you can't forget CJ Mosley, the Mizzou tackle they got in the sixth who was expected to go 2nd or 3rd.

The biggest question mark though, and maybe the most important, is in LB. This was by far our weakest area last year, and we lost our only good guy to the Rams (Chris Claiborne). In the Moss trade, we got former first rounder Napolean Harris, who besides having a sweet name sounds like he could be pretty good as well. He is real confident coming into camp and is the self-proclaimed hardest hitter in the league. He will be on the strong side, then new addition Sam Coward (from the Jets in the sixth) will take the place of EJ Henderson at MLB. EJ next panned out well, and I think Cowart will be an upgrade. He sounds like he is a smart player, and that is what we need on defense. We used to have Greg Biekert, arguably the smartest MLB in the league, but not the most talented, and he did well leading the troops. Hopefully Cowart can do the same. On the weak side is our only real question mark, and that is will Outlaws Dontarrius Thomas come through. Him and EJ are both young and have loads of potential, but to this point neither have delivered. In Dontarrius comes into the season with better awareness then last year, I see big things for him.

Then you add that much improved defense to the second best offense in the league last season, second only to the record breakers over in Indianapolis. Yes, I am aware that Moss is gone now, and like I said so much during the time of the trade, he shouldn't be traded because he has more impact then any other player in the game. In a way I still wish we had him, but after the improvements to our defense it really cancels part of that out. I haven't looked at the numbers, but if we could have kept Moss while still getting Smoot, Sharper, Williams, Cowart and resigned Claiborne http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/drool.gif But thats not the case so I will move on.

I think we will be alright without Moss. With him last season, we were arguably the best in the NFC behind Philly, without him we lost a bunch of bad games. The reason for that is because our defense sucked and I can think of at least three games where the other team won in the final drive. That will be different with the new defense, we won't be based on simply outscoring our opponents anymore.

With that said, I think Williamson will be a good pick. I don't expect him to have nearly the impact Moss had in his first year, but I think that he will make some plays and on occasion make a real good play, and that will do just enough to keep the running backs alive. Then we have Duante, a pro bowl quarterback who was unbelievable last year but was just overshadowed by Payton Manning for obvious reasons. Remember who it was that was supposed to break Marinos record after week three? It was Daunte. Then Moss got injured, yada yada yada, slump, crash bang, but Duante still had good numbers, which leads me to believe that he is capable of making things happen with the new No. 1 Burleson as well as Robinson and Williamson.

Finally, the running game is still there. The three guys combined last year were right up with the Tomlinson and Alexander last year, but because only one played per game none of them had impressive stat lines at all. This year, with one of them starting full time, I don't think they will be a Tomlinson or Alexander, but they will at least serve as a useful weapon in the now much more balanced offense.

There are still two big question marks left over from last year though, and at least one could provide for a dissapointment (which for me would be anything less then the NFC Title game). No. 1 is coaching. Mike Tice is back because he is the cheapest coach on the market, and nobody knows if he is capable of winning yet. He has shown some studder steps in his first two years. Then we had a good O-cordinator in Linnehan, but he moved away to the Dolphins and now our old O-Line coach took over (again cheapness). I worry about him for two reasons, 1. Tice was our former O-line coach and 2. his last name is Loney. That just sounds dangerous. I would say that I am scared because I've never heard of him, but then again I'd never heard of Tice Denny Green was on the rocks either. No. 2 is special teams. We let Gary Anderson retire a few years ago and suffered through Doug Brien (singlehandedly lost two games in 2002) and Aaron Elling. Morton Anderson is a great guy to fall back on, he did everything asked for last year, but as far as I know the Vikings are looking to bring in Elling instead of bringing Morten back. Dunno about that. Then its not just the kicking, the coverage was awful out there too. I am hoping that the new depth to the defense can help some of the guys replaced (Shaw, Henderson, Brian Williams, etc) get better out there. Don't know though. On the good side, apparently our punter has had a good NFL Europe season, so he should outdo the choke that was Darren Bennett last year.

I think that when all is said and done, the Vikings have less question marks then they did last year, and that they should easily be the second best team in the league, if not the best. Philly is completely up in the air with me right now, but I still expect them to be the top team right now. Atlanta is the other serious team in the NFC, but like I said so much last year I think they were a fluke. Their division turned out to be awful (Carolina sucked early on, same with New Orleans) and they had one of the biggest cupcake schedules in the league, even in the playoffs where they got St. Louis, who barely stumbled into the weak NFC tables. I'm not saying they were bad, but I think the Vikings could have beaten them in the playoffs, and I think there record was decieving. This year they got better with Roddy White, and I think they will be a legit top team now, but I'd assume that Carolina is back to normal and New Orleans finished hot too, so who knows.

NFC Predictions:
Philadelphia**
Minnesota**
Atlanta**
St. Louis**
Carolina*
Dallas*
Detroit
Seattle
NY Giants
Arizona
Green Bay
Chicago
New Orleans
Tampa Bay
San Francisco
Washington

** = Division Winner
* = Playoff team

5. Taste it
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RP 05-13-2005 05:55 AM

Monday night. November 7th 2005. Monday night Football. If the Indianapolis Colts lose. There season is over.

Triple A 05-13-2005 06:00 AM

Cleveland is in the AFC, and it's Sam Cowart, not Coward.

RP 05-13-2005 06:02 AM

And San Francisco would smoke Cleveland.

OssMan 05-13-2005 03:31 PM

Vikings Nfl Preview

MoRcHeEbA 05-13-2005 03:37 PM

I still don't know why the Vikings don't trade for James or Alexander it's not like they can't afford to take on another big contract.

BCWWF 05-13-2005 05:40 PM

I spelled it Cowart, unless I had a typo on one of the times.

Also, I wasn't looking at anything and I couldn't remember the last team, if its not Cleveland, who is it???

MoRcHeEbA 05-13-2005 05:58 PM

Washington

MoRcHeEbA 05-13-2005 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
I spelled it Cowart, unless I had a typo on one of the times.

Also, I wasn't looking at anything and I couldn't remember the last team, if its not Cleveland, who is it???


Alphabean spelt it Coward probably as a joke since the very next sentence he spelt it right.

RoXer 05-14-2005 12:04 AM

I've said this at the end of the season last year, during the off-season, and I'll say it now...

The Arizona Cardinals will win the NFC West this year.

BCWWF 05-14-2005 01:56 AM

I think the Rams will, personally. They still have the offense intact and made just enough improvements on D to win it again. That being said, I have no idea what to expect from the Seahawks. They were supposed to be amazing last year but were just kind of :meh:, but I don't know what their predictions are for this year. As of now they still have their main weapons on offense though, thats why I have them kinda high.

The Cardinals really could be good, I liked their draft a lot. They got their corner, who should be good, and then getting Arrington in the second was a good pick too. I was surprised he was valued so low by the scouts, cause he was awesome on college. Then Fitzgerald could come out and do his thing too. I have two questions though, 1. Did they get Travis Henry yet? 2. Do they have a quarterback yet?

RoXer 05-14-2005 02:00 AM

1) No. I think they still have Marcell Shipp who will..get the job done. He puts up...decent numbers.

2) Yes. Kurt Warner. McCowen might learn a thing or two from him.

BCWWF 05-14-2005 02:03 AM

Oh yeah Kurt Warner. Even so, they could be pretty good. I was shocked when you guys didn't take Chris Hovan though, not that he is amazing or anything, but he would have fit in there. He's weird I guess.

The Miz 05-14-2005 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
The Vikings are a legit Super Bowl contender this season, you're hearing it right now.

Here we go again

Gonzo 05-14-2005 11:24 AM

The Vikings are going to be at best 8-8 this year.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-14-2005 05:35 PM

The Vikings have an easy as fuck schedule so they'll prolly wind up 9-7.

MoRcHeEbA 05-14-2005 05:54 PM

I'm going to the Vikings game when they play the steelers this year :heart:

MoRcHeEbA 05-14-2005 05:54 PM

vikings will probably start off 8-0 then lose to the gay Giants

road doggy dogg 05-14-2005 06:08 PM

detroit what

Nervous Ferret 05-14-2005 06:12 PM

Haha this reminds me of the commercial they play during the playoffs every year.

Ricky Williams has one thing on his mind, and that's winning football games.

RoXer 05-14-2005 10:47 PM

"Who did the Steelers draft this year?"

"I don't know, Ben Rollersomething"

Nervous Ferret 05-14-2005 11:49 PM

Well I guess I'll try my hand at hyping my team up before the season starts. So let's talk Jets. To start with losing Hackett was the best thing they could have done, and bringing over Heimerdinger can do nothing but help Justin McCairens. And of course, Lavernious returning is awesome, I don't think Chad and Santanna Moss ever really developed any chemistry, something Pennington and Coles had the 1st snap Chad took. The TE they got for the 1st round draft pick, (cant think of his name right now) is a big upgrade from the Becht/Baker schpeel they were trying to pull, and there is the drafting of Nugent, Miller 2 picks made most likely entirely to contribute to special teams. Damn have you seen Justin Miller return punts, holy shit the kid is fast. And yeah everyone knows what Nugent can do compared to Doug Brien, :mad:. Eric Coleman and Derrick Strait are the future of the Jets secondary, Dewayne Robertson has become a monster, resigning Abraham will do nothing but get the D-line 10-15 sacks this year. And there's still rumor of Ty Law going to the Jets. And Vilma who is becoming a top linebacker, thngs are looking up for the Jets.

And of course they lost Kareem McKenzie, and Lamont Jordan, and Curtis is only getting older, we won't talk about those right now. :mad:

MoRcHeEbA 05-14-2005 11:58 PM

Pennington sucks balls

Nervous Ferret 05-14-2005 11:59 PM

throws like a girl

The Outlaw 05-15-2005 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz
Here we go again

Word. Getting prepared to hear that until the season starts...

BCWWF also said Randy Moss would be a Viking for life so ya know

Jesus Shuttlesworth 05-15-2005 03:53 AM

Vikings will be better off with Randy Moss off the team.

BCWWF 05-15-2005 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Outlaw
Word. Getting prepared to hear that until the season starts...

BCWWF also said Randy Moss would be a Viking for life so ya know

Whats your deal? Its like you only come to the sports forum to write "lol' after people's posts that aren't funny and write stupid comments like this. Why don't you say something valuble if you are so much smarter then me. The last thing of any substance I can remember you saying is that the Miami Heat would be a bad team without Shaq. What?

BCWWF 05-15-2005 04:21 AM

And while you are at it, give me one good reason why I shouldn't be saying this? Are the Vikings not a legit contender? Tell me why? Were the Timberwolves not considered one of the top teams in the West before the season started? Are the Twins not the third or fourth best team in the AL right now? Its not like I am pulling shit out of my ass, after the Wolves started sucking I didn't come back saying that they were still the best team, and after the Vikings slid I didn't say that they were still a super bowl contender. Right now they are, and if you disagree then say something about it, don't make little smart ass comments.

Nervous Ferret 05-15-2005 06:27 AM

This year will be all about the R.A.P.E.

Gonzo 05-15-2005 10:53 AM

All I'm saying about the Vikings is that when they roll up into the Meadowlands, the Giants are going to make them their bitch again. What will this be, 4, maybe 5 years now?

The Outlaw 05-15-2005 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
Whats your deal? Its like you only come to the sports forum to write "lol' after people's posts that aren't funny and write stupid comments like this. Why don't you say something valuble if you are so much smarter then me. The last thing of any substance I can remember you saying is that the Miami Heat would be a bad team without Shaq. What?

Yes, because I said "lol" after his post.

And yeah Gonzo, the last time the Vikes beat the Giants was '01 I do believe.

Also, Im not really sure when I said Miami would be a bad team without Shaq. I said the Lakers would be a bad team without Shaq, but I dont remember saying the Heat would. I might have said the Heat would have more trouble without Shaq (obviously), but not a bad team.

Point me to the post though.

MoRcHeEbA 05-15-2005 04:14 PM

http://www.tpww.net/forums/images/icons/icon2.gif


*points you to the post*

Gertner 05-15-2005 06:53 PM

why bother with this whole thread

Super Bowl Spoiler









Pats win again bitch

BCWWF 05-15-2005 06:53 PM

The thread is called Lakers-Clippers-Heat, go find it

BCWWF 05-15-2005 06:57 PM

I really think that this year the Pats lost too much this year. It looks like they can make up for Ty Law if last years guys stay that good, but I think Losing Troy Brown hurts them in a different way. He just seemed like a team leader out there. And then nobody could have expected Tedy Bruschi out, but I think that will be the big one to hurt them unfortunately. Who knows though, they are the Patriots.

Gertner 05-15-2005 10:53 PM

They replace everything they lose. If Ty Law was such a HUGE loss then why hasn't he been signed by anybody yet? Brown really was at the end of his career and picking up Terrel could be huge, plus they gotta get Bethal Johnson more time. I still smell a threepeat

MoRcHeEbA 05-15-2005 11:00 PM

losing both co-ordinators would hurt the best team but I don't see why the Pats wont win the AFC unless some stupid team like the gay Jets surprise them or something.

BCWWF 05-16-2005 06:21 PM

Yeah, I said that losing Brown and Law would hurt but not too bad, but I said what would hurt them the most would be Bruschi. How do you make up for that?

The Outlaw 05-16-2005 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF
The thread is called Lakers-Clippers-Heat, go find it

Nope. It isn't there.

Next?

And just to make this post not completely off topic, Minnesota will go 13-3 and win the Super Bowl. You heard it here first guys. :kiss:

BCWWF 05-16-2005 08:18 PM

Thats going out on a limb :shifty:

Nervous Ferret 05-16-2005 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA
losing both co-ordinators would hurt the best team but I don't see why the Pats wont win the AFC unless some stupid team like the gay Jets surprise them or something.

RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!

Rain Man 05-16-2005 09:55 PM

Eagles are really up in the air. Owens being a bitch (which was gonna happen sooner or later), Eagles not signing Westbrook yet (I think), and loosing a couple key players. I still think they will have a top D, and if they get the whole Owens, Westbrook thing straighten out they should be fine.

Ronnie Brown=Next Marvin Harrison, from what I hear

MoRcHeEbA 05-16-2005 10:28 PM

Eagles should still be the best team easily but they seem like they've got the most problems at the moment. If they get rid of Owens no one is gonna give them anything for him since he's nothing but trouble. They got rid of Mitchell meaning there starting recievers would be Stinkston and there Rookie. Westbrook said he'll sign the tender but wont be happy. Hollis Thomas has said he wants out. Corey Simon said he'll hold out unless he gets a new contract.

I never realized just how many problems that sounds like. SEESH.

BCWWF 05-17-2005 03:23 AM

Is there another Ronnie Brown besides the RB?

The NFC is definately going to be competitive this year. If Roddy White really comes through for Atlanta, the Eagles sort out their shit, the Vikings don't collapse, and the Rams defense shows up there will be four really good teams right there.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-17-2005 08:29 PM

It's Reggie Brown but yeah he's gonna be good. Not as good as Chris Henry but good.

BCWWF 05-17-2005 10:34 PM

There was a thing on Sports Center today about like incentives in contracts and stuff, part of it was on Corey Dillon. Its annoying because you just can't hate the Pats, no matter what you do.

Gonzo 05-17-2005 10:49 PM

I don't hate the Pats, I was rooting for them. That was mainly because I hate the Eagles but I didn't mind seeing themselves establish themselves as one of the better teams we have seen in the past 10 years, maybe even the entire history of football.

After 3 titles in 4 years though, I think its time for a change. This year looks to be that year. I don't think the Pats can go it again.

BCWWF 05-17-2005 11:03 PM

I wasn't directing that comment at you or anything, I was just saying it in general. I only know of one person who hates them, and thats a guy from school who lives in St. Louis and is a die hard Rams fan.


ANYWAY:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking

ESPN's preseason power rankings

BCWWF 05-17-2005 11:10 PM

ESPN
1. Philadelphia
2. Minnesota
3. Atlanta
4. Carolina
5. Dallas
6. Seattle
7. Detroit
8. Green Bay
9. New Orleans
10. St. Louis
11. Arizona
12. New York Giants
13. Chicago
14. Tampa Bay
15. Washington
16. San Francisco

BCWWF:
1. Philadelphia
2. Minnesota
3. Atlanta
4. St. Louis
5. Carolina
6. Dallas
7. Detroit
8. Seattle
9. NY Giants
10. Arizona
11. Green Bay
12. Chicago
13. New Orleans
14.Tampa Bay
15. San Francisco
16. Washington

Besides completely blowing up St. Louis and putting too little on Seattle, I was pretty close.

Rain Man 05-18-2005 07:15 PM

Fuck Reggie Brown, I got all confused thought it was Ronnie my bad.. Il'll take burn my self with cigarretes now

HHH = 3 H's Too Many 06-02-2005 11:16 AM

Since NFL.com has no contact email address for questions and whatnot, I figured that I could throw this question at you guys and see if you could think of any logical reason for something being the way it is.

Upon looking over the schedules for the upcoming season, I noticed that my team, the Bucs, haven't got a single Monday Night Football game. I also noticed that the most overrated team in the NFL (not including Big Ben ^_^) has three... and I didn't even finish looking over the second half of the schedule, I was just too pissed to continue. Is it just me, or is the NFL totally blowing off fans that do not live in the same area as the team they like? A string of 1 o'clock games and a 4 o'clock here and there isn't gonna get me what I want, and I refuse to pay for some ridiculous service to follow my team. WTF is this crap? Go Bucs... Die Steelers... Have a nice day.

BCWWF 06-02-2005 01:24 PM

I kind of liked when every team had at least one Monday Night game, even though that would cause for some bad matchups once in a while. Especially being an out of town fan, it sucks to not have national showings.

Supreme Olajuwon 06-02-2005 01:39 PM

Teams usually get Monday night games because they are good, have a big national fan base, or have a big rivalry with another team, all of which the Bucs lack.

Splaya 06-02-2005 01:46 PM

I'll review Detroit sometime in the near future.

Innovator 06-02-2005 02:27 PM

This is awesome for the Giants, we always do well when everyone counts us out.

RoXer 06-02-2005 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey RoXer
I've said this at the end of the season last year, during the off-season, and I'll say it now...

The Arizona Cardinals will win the NFC West this year.


The Miz 06-02-2005 03:25 PM

No

The Outlaw 06-02-2005 07:41 PM

lol

BCWWF 06-02-2005 09:42 PM

I thought the Rams were going to be a lot better this year, but experts on ESPN etc. don't seem to think so, and I'm not putting too much faith in Seattle, so I would give Arizona a legit chance. It will for sure be a stretch, but I wouldn't count them out with that division they are in.

The Miz 06-02-2005 10:38 PM

No

BCWWF 06-03-2005 01:51 AM

My bad

Rain Man 06-07-2005 02:21 PM

The Philadelphia Sports Talk Radio is having a Can Food Drive for Terrel Owens, because he can't "support" his family.. LOL

The Outlaw 06-15-2005 05:59 PM

If I only had a brain...


http://www.extremeskins.com/modules....aha&file=index

LoDownM 06-15-2005 08:16 PM

KC wins it all for Vermils last season before he retires :cool:

The Highlander 06-15-2005 11:08 PM

No NFL team has won three straight Super Bowls. This year will be no different. New England's coaching staff has been gutted, Big Ben is an experianced NFL Quarterback. Steelers get that elusive "One for the thumb" this season after beating Minnesota in the Super Bowl.

The Miz 06-15-2005 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Highlander
Minnesota in the Super Bowl.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-15-2005 11:13 PM

Brown resigned with the Pats for less than what he could have gotten with the Saints.

Patriots also got their rings the other day, shit is pimp.

Gonzo 06-15-2005 11:22 PM

Highlander, you are correct about the Patriots. Shut up about everything else.

I'm highly optimistic about the Giants this year, but what am I getting my hopes up for? They'll blow it. So then again, thats probably more pessimistic.

road doggy dogg 06-16-2005 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Highlander
No NFL team has won three straight Super Bowls. This year will be no different. New England's coaching staff has been gutted, Big Ben is an experianced NFL Quarterback. Steelers get that elusive "One for the thumb" this season after beating Minnesota in the Super Bowl.

Dunno, their coach is still head and shoulders above every other one in the NFL

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-16-2005 02:22 AM

ALL THEY DO IS WIN BABY

3 in a row will be tough, but so wasn't winning the 1st one. As well as winning the 2nd one, then winning the 3rd one/2 in a row. Patriots aren't going to roll through everyone but I like their chances. They lost a lot of the coaching staff but they where replaced with inhouse guys so the systems stay the same. Other than the coaching staff they didn't lose much. Ty Law was a non factor last season. The secondary did an alright job to me - winning the Superbowl and everything. Even bringing up Ty Law and considering him a loss is ridiculous. He barely even played last year. Sure it would be great to have him back because he's a great cornerback but they obviously didn't need him last year.

Troy Brown was brought back. David Patten was lost, but David Terrell aswell as Tim Dwight where added. So Dieon Branch, Brown, Terrell, Dwight, P.K. Sam, Bethal Johnson, and David Givens now round out the recieving core. You got Graham and Fauria at the TE spots with athletic freak Watson competing for time this year after being out last year.

Joe Andruzzi was lost from the offensive line but the Patriots used their 1st round pick on guard Logan Mankins so that should work out well. Dan Koppen from Boston College has been real nice on the offensive line since the Patriots picked him up in the draft. Hasn't missed a game yet.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-16-2005 02:27 AM

On the defensive side of the ball things are different though. Losing Bruschi will hurt big time, and Seymour is holding out. I am sure he will play this season but the risk is still there. They made some solid pick ups in the off season though. No huge names or anything like that, but guys that seem to fit perfectly into the Patriots system. I am feeling good about the upcoming season, that's all I know.

BCWWF 06-16-2005 04:18 AM

We were talking about the Pats tonight. A lot of my friends think they will repeat, I am not as optimistic as I was last year.

My reason being: Every year the Patriots get rid of their expendable guys. The guys who they are replacable for less money basically. Milloy, Washington, I dunno there's been a lot of guys. This year the biggest one was probably Ty Law, and if that was the case then yeah I think they would have been just as good as they were last year.

Where I start to think otherwise though is with Bruschi. People finally admitted that he was one helluva player last year (I say that because people have a tendency to say that the Patriots don't have great players, but rather players who can play together or other shit like that. THEY HAVE GREAT PLAYERS!) Anyway, Bruschi wasn't one of those guys who is replaceable like Ty Law. They weren't planning on losing him not being back next year, so I think when a guy like that doesn't come back, it will hurt them a lot.

Anyway, I don't see why it is such a shock that somebody other then myself thinks Minnesota is a good team. They changed from a team that is based on outscoring to a team that is very balanced. We all know that teams based on outscoring their opponents don't work. The Vikings in 1998, the Colts of 2005, etc. This year we come into the season with a much more balanced offense, no star reciever but two running backs that were horribly under used last season. But more importantly we added a defense. Pat Williams will do the same thing that Siragusa and Sapp did for their teams, Sam Cowart and Napolean Harris will give us a linebacking corp that at least exists. Then Smoot, Winfield, Sharper, Chavous, and Williams give us arguably one of the top secondarys in the NFC.

Besides that, really what NFC teams out there are so much better then the Vikings coming into the season that it makes it laughable to mention their name? Is it the Eagles, who's egotistical star is holding out? I assume he will play, but that doesn't do a whole lot for team chemistry now does it? The only other team I consider good in the NFC besides the Eagles and Vikings is the Falcons. Roddy White is huge for them. Besides those three teams, who is so good in the NFC?

AlphaBean 06-16-2005 04:52 AM

In gameplan, the Vikings are good. That is, in theory. Not even on paper anymore.

I have no faith in Cottrell, no faith in Loney, and by god absolutely NO faith in Tice as coaches. Our offense is good, but the new philosophy is to grind it out? COME ON. Granted, we abandoned the run too easily, but I just don't buy the idea that a high-priced piecemeal defense will get it done. It didn't work for the Rams, or for the Redskins, I doubt it will work for Minnesota.

NE got it done with good, hard-working veterans. The Vikings get burned with all cock and no balls rookies. We used to have veterans, but we opted for speed. Our speed got burned so we opted for veterans. It just never works. Until we get some coaches,it won't work.

Personally, I liked our defense's look under O'Leary. The D-Line got penetration, and instead of getting sacks, they put their hands up and forced the INTs.

Last year: Interceptions were a fraction of the year before, and every time we got a sack, we gave up the 3rd and long conversion on the very next play. Who gives a fuck about sacks when you can't stop the pass?

AlphaBean 06-16-2005 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF
We were talking about the Pats tonight. A lot of my friends think they will repeat, I am not as optimistic as I was last year.

My reason being: Every year the Patriots get rid of their expendable guys. The guys who they are replacable for less money basically. Milloy, Washington, I dunno there's been a lot of guys. This year the biggest one was probably Ty Law, and if that was the case then yeah I think they would have been just as good as they were last year.

Where I start to think otherwise though is with Bruschi. People finally admitted that he was one helluva player last year (I say that because people have a tendency to say that the Patriots don't have great players, but rather players who can play together or other shit like that. THEY HAVE GREAT PLAYERS!) Anyway, Bruschi wasn't one of those guys who is replaceable like Ty Law. They weren't planning on losing him not being back next year, so I think when a guy like that doesn't come back, it will hurt them a lot.

Anyway, I don't see why it is such a shock that somebody other then myself thinks Minnesota is a good team. They changed from a team that is based on outscoring to a team that is very balanced. We all know that teams based on outscoring their opponents don't work. The Vikings in 1998, the Colts of 2005, etc. This year we come into the season with a much more balanced offense, no star reciever but two running backs that were horribly under used last season. But more importantly we added a defense. Pat Williams will do the same thing that Siragusa and Sapp did for their teams, Sam Cowart and Napolean Harris will give us a linebacking corp that at least exists. Then Smoot, Winfield, Sharper, Chavous, and Williams give us arguably one of the top secondarys in the NFC.

Besides that, really what NFC teams out there are so much better then the Vikings coming into the season that it makes it laughable to mention their name? Is it the Eagles, who's egotistical star is holding out? I assume he will play, but that doesn't do a whole lot for team chemistry now does it? The only other team I consider good in the NFC besides the Eagles and Vikings is the Falcons. Roddy White is huge for them. Besides those three teams, who is so good in the NFC?

You're completely ignoring the Panthers.

Shame on you.

BCWWF 06-16-2005 05:30 AM

I did forget about the Panthers, but still out of those four teams I am the most skeptical of them just because of their season last year.

AlphaBean 06-16-2005 05:43 AM

Imagine the impact the Vikings losing Jimmy, Rosey, Moss, Irvin etc. had.

Multiply that by maybe three. Now you've got the Panthers.

Then you think, where were they a little shakey with their healthy starters? Probably in the secondary.

WELL HEY THERE THOMAS DAVIS! HOW YA DOIN KEN LUCAS? :eek:

A scary defense is even scarier.

I definitely buy it. Sure, they don't have Moose, but they have Jake Delhomme, who proved that he doesn't need a running game to be effective. He adjusted, and became a true field general.

I mean come on, NICK GOINGS!

road doggy dogg 06-16-2005 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34
On the defensive side of the ball things are different though. Losing Bruschi will hurt big time, and Seymour is holding out. I am sure he will play this season but the risk is still there. They made some solid pick ups in the off season though. No huge games or anything like that, but guys that seem to fit perfectly into the Patriots system. I am feeling good about the upcoming season, that's all I know.

Well they did get Chad Brown, so losing Brushi isn't AS BAD as it could have been since Brown isn't bad by any means. That's assuming Bruschi won't be playing, and he still might though it's kinda doubtful

AlphaBean 06-16-2005 06:12 AM

LOL, Bruschi will be effective as long as the opposing team only runs plays in one direction. ;)

Mr. Monday Morning 06-16-2005 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HHH = 3 H's Too Many
Since NFL.com has no contact email address for questions and whatnot, I figured that I could throw this question at you guys and see if you could think of any logical reason for something being the way it is.

Upon looking over the schedules for the upcoming season, I noticed that my team, the Bucs, haven't got a single Monday Night Football game. I also noticed that the most overrated team in the NFL (not including Big Ben ^_^) has three... and I didn't even finish looking over the second half of the schedule, I was just too pissed to continue. Is it just me, or is the NFL totally blowing off fans that do not live in the same area as the team they like? A string of 1 o'clock games and a 4 o'clock here and there isn't gonna get me what I want, and I refuse to pay for some ridiculous service to follow my team. WTF is this crap? Go Bucs... Die Steelers... Have a nice day.

Maybe the Bucs will get on TV in 2007 when Glazer makes them ship a regular season game over here.

AlphaBean 06-16-2005 09:03 AM

I love that fucking recipe for MNF. Yeah, successful teams get prime time games.

LOL imagine that... Dolphins have the best RB in the league :lol: so book them!

Raiders Superbowl runners up.... you know they're gonna rock!

Panthers too!

:nono:

Gonzo 06-16-2005 10:03 AM

Yeah for real. Monday Night Football would be so much better if they put huge division rivalries and shit, just huge rivalries from the old divisions. Makes for much better games instead of putting a team on there for a player. :roll:

AlphaBean 06-16-2005 04:24 PM

LOL! Michael Vick. :love:

BCWWF 06-16-2005 05:13 PM

Remember when everybody jumped on the "The Falcons are not based around Michael Vick" bandwagon last year?

SammyG 06-18-2005 03:12 AM

Remember when he killed the Rams in a divisional playoff game? :(:(

BCWWF 06-18-2005 04:06 AM

Yeah, but its the Rams...

Dunno, just not a fan of Marc Bulger for some reason. I just don't see him ever being good enough.

AlphaBean 06-18-2005 04:05 PM

Well he's far better than Joey Harrington. And for as low of a draft pick as he was, he's pretty goddamn good.

Which is to say, when you're picked that low, you're expected to be a backup at best. I'd put him third behind Brady and Warner in that "category."

BCWWF 06-18-2005 05:43 PM

Well I mean I'm not doubting that he can play in the NFL, like I'm not saying he's bad, but I just don't see him as a guy that can carry a team to the Super Bowl.

road doggy dogg 06-30-2005 04:23 PM

WElllll the latest rumor is that Owens might get traded to the Raiders for Jerry Porter. THAT would make things interesting in Oakland. Moss and Owens? Scary.

Jesus Shuttlesworth 06-30-2005 04:53 PM

Yeah I heard that too. No fucking way that would work.

el fregadero 06-30-2005 05:18 PM

Randy Moss, Terell Owens... Kerry Collins

MoRcHeEbA 06-30-2005 05:56 PM

sounds sexy

MoRcHeEbA 06-30-2005 05:57 PM

they should trade woodson for a better QB

MoRcHeEbA 06-30-2005 05:58 PM

Rothlisberger :shifty:

RoXer 06-30-2005 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by el fregadero
Randy Moss, Terell Owens...

...Andrew Walter!

BCWWF 06-30-2005 08:44 PM

The Strait of Gebralter

The Miz 06-30-2005 11:39 PM

Trent Dilfer

Excellance of Execution 06-30-2005 11:39 PM

I think Buffalo is going to surprise some people this year. By no means am i predicting winning the SuperBowl, but they've made some changes that i think can drastically change this team. First off, they finally got rid of the statue (Bledsoe). Now, i'm not saying Losman will make all the right decisions, but he can atleast move and scramble and not take 6 million sack's. They have McGahee, with a very solid year under his belt to gain confidence after his knee injury. I will predict that he will win the rushing title this year. Of course, barring injury. The only question mark that Buffalo has is the O-line, and toward's the end of last year they were starting to come together. They lost Jonas Jenning's to San Fran, but i believe he was highly over-rated and equally over paid. Hopefully, the few o-line people they picked up will fill the holes. We have one of the best defenses in the game. They only loss was Big Pat to the Vikes. He's a good run stopper, but that's about it. I feel he was replaceable. We also have one of the best special team's in the NFL. So with that said, i feel Buffalo will turn some head's this year and surprise a lot of people. A lot of people don't think they will do well, but i like it when people over look you, it give's you motivation to beat your opponents.

Loose Cannon 06-30-2005 11:48 PM

I didn't even see this thread until now.

Anyway, the Jets lost my favorite player (Lamont :( )and lost the new stadium. But we got rid of Hackett and that fucking doosh bag kicker, who's name doesn't deserve to be mentioned.

Should be an alright year. Hope Pennington stays healthy

Jesus Shuttlesworth 07-01-2005 12:26 AM

TO and Moss would not work at all. What if in one game TO got 14 balls and Moss only got 4? Or vice versa? Would be so much drama it would be ridiculous

AlphaBean 07-01-2005 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution
I think Buffalo is going to surprise some people this year. By no means am i predicting winning the SuperBowl, but they've made some changes that i think can drastically change this team. First off, they finally got rid of the statue (Bledsoe). Now, i'm not saying Losman will make all the right decisions, but he can atleast move and scramble and not take 6 million sack's. They have McGahee, with a very solid year under his belt to gain confidence after his knee injury. I will predict that he will win the rushing title this year. Of course, barring injury. The only question mark that Buffalo has is the O-line, and toward's the end of last year they were starting to come together. They lost Jonas Jenning's to San Fran, but i believe he was highly over-rated and equally over paid. Hopefully, the few o-line people they picked up will fill the holes. We have one of the best defenses in the game. They only loss was Big Pat to the Vikes. He's a good run stopper, but that's about it. I feel he was replaceable. We also have one of the best special team's in the NFL. So with that said, i feel Buffalo will turn some head's this year and surprise a lot of people. A lot of people don't think they will do well, but i like it when people over look you, it give's you motivation to beat your opponents.

I think the Vikings proved that a good Nose Tackle can't be overlooked. Hovan = :nono: Kevin Williams = :love:

And think about the Kevin Williams draft class, with Joseph, Kennedy, Sullivan, etc. You can't just throw a big body in there. If Williams was not just a product of his system, I think he will make the Vikings defensive line amazing. And even if he is a product of his system, that's a system Ted put in place.

Anyway, Sam Adams didn't do much alone in Oakland, but he sure kicked ass in Baltimore and Buffalo, yeah? Cause he had Goose and Sam... two huge mofos to back him up. :y:


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