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Hulk Hogan resentment on this board?
I just want to know where all this resentment for Hogan stems from. Let's take a look at some of the excuses I have read on this board
1) Oh, man I thought this was Hogan's last match My answer: Hogan is as over now as he was 10 years ago as he is still a hero to so many and people will still pay to see him. 2) Hogan is to old he should retire My answer: Ric Flair I believe is older than Hogan and still wrestles and please don't tell me Flair is puts on 5 star matches right now. Last match I saw all he did was low blow and bite Angle pretty much the whole match. Hogan is also in better shape(besides the hip) than 3/4 of the roster. 3) I don't like this version of Hogan My answer: Hogan was over as a face and a heel and I bet plenty of you guys liked him as a heel. He may have been the best heel ever... 4)Hogan can't wrestle for shit My answer: This is a true statement but it's not like Steve Austin was the most technical wrestler either. 5) Hogan won't put the young guys over My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that. BTW without Hogan their would be no Steve Austin, Rock etc because without his exposure wrestling would never be as big as it is today. So is there anything else? |
Steve Austin was a great wrestler
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I don't like his patriotic image, and as hbk said he is still living as the same character he created 20 years ago, i would also hate him in person.(though i don't normally use that as an excuse for not liking a wrestler, it's just adding to the reasons really)
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Keep in mind, I don't hate Hogan
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Yeah but HBK reinvents himself in certain ways, Hogan only reinvented himself when he was in NWO.Look at HBK's character now compared to a few weeks ago, you can tell how he's changed. The amount of times people have talked about the 'old' hbk shows you he has reinvented himself. Do people say anything like that about Hogan?Don't think so.
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People that say Austin wasn't a good wrestler, watch WM 13 and come back and say it again.
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The only person I'll argue Hogan put over is the Ultimate Warrior. Maybe Orndorff.
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I started watching in 2000, but i know he had an old gimmick which i can't remember the name of, which was more of a wrestling type gimmick wasn't it? |
He was the ringmaster when he first came to the WWE.
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Yea, that was The Ringmaster and even before that though, he was the fucking man in the ring. If you get a chance to watch his old stuff (early 90's-96) you'll see a whole different Austin.
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Just watch his submission match with Bret at WM 13. He was Stone Cold Steve Austin back then as well. As someone that never saw him in WCW, I can't really comment but I have heard that he and Pillman were one of the finest teams and most underutilized teams in history.
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I thought so.I didn't want to look stupid by guessing something that didn't sound right to me. |
Well i guess i'll have to wait and watch a previous match of his from back then and make my own judgement.
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He and Nash killed Goldberg
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I resent Hogan because:
- In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid - He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past - He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more - He constantly teases a last match but always comes back - He's not really that entertaining anymore - He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over - And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK Kinda like malaria. That's why I resent him, and I'll readily admit it's my opinion. And yes, I loved him as a kid, but now that I know how he's like, it's affected my judgment. I mean, if JBL wasn't an asshole in real life, I'd list him as one of my favorite wrestlers ever. |
Anyway back on to Hogan
I don't hate Hogan, but I can see why people would hate him He's old and does the same stuff everytime and has been doing the same stuff pretty much forever. Also people don't hate Flair becasue he is hilarious and entertaining. Also lol @ Hogan being in better shape then 1/2 the roster??? Come on just becasue you are a Hogan mark don't be a blind fool. |
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Why? Cause he lost a Title match on Nitro? That's not putting someone over. Where did Goldberg go after that? I seriously can't remember a great Goldberg moment after he won the Title. And the only thing I actually remember after that is Kevin Nash beating him and then Nash laying down for Hogan afterwards. If Hogan wanted to put Goldberg over, he would of challenged him again and taken another 3 count from Goldberg or he would of done so in a big time feel match. Or he would of made Goldberg look like a million bucks before that. Granted, Goldberg was already over anyway, but he sank right after that win due to the nWo getting most of the TV time. The whole Wolfpac/Hogan feud. |
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Alright some valid points made. By physical shape I didn't mean agilty and ring endurance, I meant basically the pythons and his overall muscular look. It is true that Hogan has gotten predicatable in the ring but you have to understand that was never his IMO. Hogan in the early years was basically supposed to vanquish the heels by being over whelmed for most of the match and than "Hulk Up", boot and leg drop. You can consider him the Rocky of the wrestling buisness as he wasn't a technical wrestler but just had such a following of fans that the WWE rode the money making horse to the bank. BTW he did job to Taker when he first entered the WWE if you wan't to call that a job.
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That's basically all that needs to be said. |
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I don't think he did, although someone with more knowledge of WCW may be able to confirm that.
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all I'm going to say is back in teh 80s Hogan was somethin.
Now I could careless to see him anymore. |
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I like Hogan but even I can't admit that he put anyone over in WCW, because he didn't. |
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He did lose (job) to Taker, but he got the Title right back. Again, that's not putting someone over. How did he put Sting over? I would argue Sting vs the entire nWo and Sting being the "savior" of WCW put him over. If Hogan would of taken a clean 3 at Starcade and then let Sting be the main focus of the shows afterwards for a long time, then I would say Hogan put him over. Didn't happen though. |
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A good amount of the internet now though don't like Austin.
So using Austin as an example would be a bad idea. |
Can someone who saw WCW enlighten me on the Starrcade match. I have heard that it was built up for over a year and when it finally came it was a fucking catastrophe.
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You've got to be fucking kidding??!!!??
That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines. Keep in mind that Sting was laying on his back for this entire time. Match restarts, Sting gets in two moves, Stinger splashm, pin. And Hogan walks out like it neve rhappened while Sting does the obligatory celebration w/all the faces. You don't understand the difference between losing and putting someone over. And you are losing all credibility in this argument about Hogan. |
Yea, Sting was built up as the savior of WCW. He took down basically every member of the nWo. Then he faced Hogan for the Title. This was suppossed to be the big win. But the match was shit. Hogan got most of the offense and he gave his legdrop to Sting in the middle of the match. The ref counted a fast 3. Now here we have Sting, who WCW spent a year building up to finally take down Hogan, taking a 3 count right in the middle of the ring.
So Bret comes down and gets the match restarted. Sting hooks Hogan in the Deathlock and Hogan submits. Damage already down though |
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Ok well the match itself was bad. The ending made it terrible
Hogan pinned Sting (I forget the move he did that caused him to pin Sting proably the leg drop) Nick Patrick then counts 1-2-3. Hogan wins Hogan is celebrating walking to the back then Bret Hart comes out and says that Nick Patrick's count was fast which it wasn't. So Bret restarts the match and Hogan then taps out to the Scorpion Deathlock. So see it looked like that Hogan was still stronger Sting, becasue Sting needed help. edit: PH's explantion is better |
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I don't hate Hogan per se. I hate the god damn Hulkmaniacs that scream and mark out and bow down whenever he shows up. That's who I hate.
And I'm going to be one of them come Summerslam. |
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So it wasn't plausable that Sting could kick out of the leg drop despite the fact that Goldberg kicked out of three leg drops.
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Wasn't Nash the head writer about this time?
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This is a good discussion Answer. I like having these discussions on here. I will rep you for this.
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Well, it's actually rumored that right before the match, Hogan got into the ref's ear and told him about the change to the finish and the ref just went along with it.
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As already pointed out the damage was already done to Sting. The submission meant shit.
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I have never liked Hogan, Didn't like him back then don't like him now. Everything everyone has said why they didn't like him I totally agree with. There are some wrestlers I like and there are some I will never like, Hogan is one i'll never like..
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Again I don't expect everyone on here to like Hogan as you each have your own opinions. I just hope everyone respects the man for his contribution to the buisness.
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Oh and if we're talking about the correct way to put someone over. Let's take a prime example from this past year. HHH put over Batista like a million bucks. HHH did every single thing you're supposed to do to put someone over. He made Batista look on his level and he never made Batista look like a loser. When I say that I don't mean because Batista never lost to him, I mean because Batista always looked as strong and as smart as HHH. That's how you put someone over.
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I respect what he did once upon a time but that was in the 80's. In my opinion Hogan should have gracefully bowed out of wrestling after WM 18. Go out on the ultimate high.
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Unfortunately Hogan is going to beat HBK
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If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.
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As Steele says there will be another last match and another. It's just boring.
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Course we all know Hogan's last match will be at Mania but hey now....let's have our little fantasies. |
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I don't HATE Hogan, I just wish that he would have made better business decisions in WCW and now in WWE.
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I think he could probably have a match with someone like Hogan but never with the usual guys on the roster.
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Resentment of Hogan stems from jealousy. I know I wish I could live in plush luxury for the occasional flexing of now-flabby muscles.
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Jesus. With all of this knowledge about how to put guys over, it's a wonder Loose Cannon isn't in the WWE right now, or running his own promotion about to snuff the WWE out of business. ;)
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The only match Hogan needs to have now is Hogan vs. Austin, either that or Hogan puts over a Cena/Batista/HHH
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About Hogan vs Sting the count wasn't even that fast.
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A movie on how the nWo killed wrestling....also includes sting vs hogan but i amalso cutting it out into a smaller vid.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=19QVO3P5 |
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Notice that TNA actually hired Russo/Rhodes? You think there's a place for anyone who even REMOTELY knows shit about wrestling? Hell, even Heyman was taken off WWE creative... |
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But I'll agree that's he's sort of pushing it. Still, when he comes back, it's not after he "retired," so there none of that kayfabe trickery that Hogan excels at. |
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Alright it was a Dick move on his part
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IT was a dick move and it was probably because he didn't want to lay down.
How many people has he put over of late? Fuck that, how many people has he put over, period? |
Hulk Hogan is a perfect example of how sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to being a wrestling fan. As a kid, Hogan was the closest thing to a living, breathing superhero. I loved everything about him.
And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him. But Hogan is one of the most conniving, egotistical, manipulative, lying, backstabbing people I've heard of in any industry - ever. The no-sell for Vader in the WWF. His refusal to job for Bret Hart. His refusal to job to Andre or Dibiase at WMIV. And pretty much his entire carer in WCW: demanding to be put over Flair on his arrival, blaming the writing staff when the fans got on his case, pulling string to get all his buddies high-paying jobs (that whole Dungeon of Doom angle ws his idea, basically), the match with Sting which WAS Hogan's fault [NOTE: the whole rumor regarding the ref comes from the fact the Nick Patrick was the ref, Patrick was a close friend of Hogan, and before the match the two had a heated discussion that was clearly not in kayfabe] the match with Goldberg whihc Hogan only agreed to so as to show that he was a huge draw when the event had been sold out for weeks befiore it was announced Hogan would even be there, the shit he pulled where he would disappear for weeks durung the NBA playoffs then return once they ended and then take credit for the natural ratings boost, and on and on and on and on..... Hogan has done some evil things in his career. Evil, wretched things. And it takes away from that feeling of nostalgia. Beyond just the things HBK said (which were all 100% correct BTW) it's that once you know about the stuff he's done within the business its just hard to get behind him. Hogan HAS put people over before: Savage, Warrior, DDP, Angle, Lesnar (big time!), and he gave Edge a rub by tagging with him. But none of that really balances the fact that for 25 years Hogan scrwed everyone around him, even guys he clainmed were his best friends, in order to take care of himself. |
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Wonderful post and details my thoughts perfectly. |
Hogan and Michaels are both egotisticsal, caniving bastards. You guys are trying to make HBK as the goodguy lol.
Regardless i still wanna see the match for historical purposes, and it'll be interesting to see how Hogan does..if he can hang with HBK...I wana order the PPV, but now that Bradshaw is in a title match makes me wana reconsider... |
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No one in this thread defended HBK. The topic was "why do people have such a problem with Hogan?" The reason why HBK was even brought up is because his promo on Monday was so dead-on accurate. It wouldn't have matter who said it, everything he said about Hogan was true.
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That HBK promo by the way was the best one ive seen from him in a while, i saw the looks on some of the Hogan fans faces (the ones wearing hogan shirts) and they were stunned. |
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