Eddie still alive?
 

Please dont neg rep me for this as I do believe Edde has died but this article is well written and does raise some good points


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IS EDDIE GUERRERO STILL ALIVE?
By Kenny Casanova from www.KennyCasanova.com
k9casanova@aol.com

Ok… Now some people will want to beat me for saying this, but I find myself asking a question that isn’t appropriate in any light. However, it feels like WWE is booking something that doesn’t seem possible and I have found myself asking myself a silly question whenever I turn on WWE. …Is Eddie Guerrero still alive?

My feeling is other people have suspected this, but no one has the pistachios to come out and say it. So here I go; Eddie Guerrero’s death could all be a big super smart angle for a return at Wrestlemania.

My brother-in-law is not a wrestling fan, but comes over to eat wings when we get PPVs. He saw some of what was going on with Rey Mysterio and wanted to know if Eddie was still alive. Whether fans want to say it or not, recent WWE storylines are making it seem like Eddie Guerrero’s death HAS BEEN BOOKED BY A PROMOTER.

Why would Vince McMahon want to go there? Why would a global megalithic corporation like WWE want to fake the death of one of its superstar performers, risking the possible backlash that would occur from worldwide media and its fans? SIMPLE… WWE figured out this formula a long time ago…Bad publicity is good publicity.

In a day when it is impossible to fool the fans due to the widely used lighting quick communication resource called the Internet, the WWE knows that “strategic leaks” are the only way you can really throw off the modern wrestling fan and subsequently create interest. Recent examples of this have shown that there is money to be made from false leaks if it is done correctly.

The Edge & Hardy scandal was amplified, exploited and leaked, then turned into a moneymaker (though it was too bad Matt Hardy botched his return promo)… Chris Jericho puts up a TNA logo on his site to keep interest on him. Go back a few years and you will see other examples. Brian Pillman convinced WCW to break his contract so his crazy gimmick looked legit to anyone who might do the research (only to jump to WWF.) Vince Russo drops false rumors on the Internet to throw fans off to create more shock when storylines go the other way. Austin amplifies his hatred toward Eric Bischoff in an ECW stint to get sympathy from the crowd and to push the envelope of boss-hating.

Good wrestling promoters have a history of twisting the truth to make the most believable storylines going (i.e. Road Warrior Hawk drunk angle, Bret got screwed angle, N.W.O. and other various invasion plots etc…) The promoters even work the wrestlers to get the leaks that they want these days and visa-versa.

There is so much foreshadowing going on that makes me think WWE is planning an “Eddie Return.” I know that odds of this are slim, and that this blog will be looked at as a big conspiracy theory. I agree with you and it is wrong to say it. But it would be even more wrong if they did it. What if Eddie’s death was a work? If it is, it is the greatest and, at the same time, the rudest work of all time.

I have asked a number of people in the business what they think about this and they say all about the same thing. “You are crazy,” or “I think that would be too F’ed up,” but after I drop a few little bombs on them that have made me wonder, they have wondered too.

The last time Eddie was on television, Ken Kennedy had hit him in the head with a chair. After the match, there was a promo with Batista. His head was all bandaged up and Batista was concerned. The last words Eddie said were, “Don’t worry about me, I am going to be alright.” This footage might be revisited if this is a big rude angle.

At the Eddie Guerrero Press Conference, Vince McMahon and Chavo Guerrero seemed to me to have too much composure. At the time when I watched it, I figured to myself, “Wow, Chavo is doing such a great job.” He didn’t seem sad and I figured if it were me, I would have been bawling my eyes out. I wondered why at the time and then resolved that it must just be he knew this day would eventually come, or maybe they were not as close as he had always told everyone. I look back now and wonder if this is a work, did Chavo think it wasn’t going to work.

Either there was and still is a lot of bad taste going on, or Eddie is still alive. Vince McMahon is a bastard, but grilling Eddie’s wife Vickie, a day or so after his death on live TV?!? How does someone even approach the option? How can you ask a widow to appear on TV when her husband isn’t even in the ground yet? Does WWE have no respect for dead people and mourning? Or did Vickie just get off the phone with a clean-shaven bald-headed Eddie Guerrero who is camping out in Jamaica?

Well if Eddie is alive and hiding out, how could this secret have lasted for four months? My guess is, if this is a work, the lockerroom could still be partially kayfabed to cut down possible leaks. And moreover, Eddie is probably just camping out, or maybe getting some kind of surgery somewhere and is indeed out of the public eye.

The WWE Raw & Smackdown Tribute shows seemed to contrived. While some of the wrestlers seemed very upset and concerned, others seemed like they needed to play to the camera. Now it is impossible to speculate (if this is a work) who knew and who did not know at the time of these shows. It is possible that only a tight group of people actually know the truth and might not have known the truth at the time of filming. I would suspect some (like Benoit) were informed immediately after the shooting with Eddie calling them. But even at that, Rey Mysterio did not seem moved at all. Mysterio taking off his mask seemed like the cliché “let’s make this look real” thing to do.

The tribute shows had a tinge of bullshit to them. The commentators on both shows said, “Eddie would have wanted this,” about a hundred times to validate what seemed like a moneymaker. This could be foreshadowing Vince blaming a return angle on Eddie, to keep the heat off of him in the future.

It is fact that most wrestlers have never been great actors, and the few who are have usually moved on to bigger and better the things. At the tribute shows, there was definitely a vibe of bad acting going on, which to me smells like a work. But were the wrestlers working the fans due to a future storyline, or because they felt obligated to be teary-eyed and were not?

One theory on the bad-acting vibe is maybe the wrestlers thought that they should be crying but were not, so they tried to. Seemed like some of the wrestlers were forcing themselves to cry because they thought that is what they should do in this situation, but the tears just were not turning on …It is possible that forced tears is the product of a desensitization to wrestler deaths –seeing how there have been so many. HOWEVER, forced tears could also be the product of the bad acting that goes along with another storyline.

I am sure that WWE knows how big the next-night ratings were when Pillman passed away and also Owen Hart. But they never had TWO tribute shows, due to a death in the family, nor has any death lasted as long with so much TV time and recognition as this one has.

WWE has referenced Eddie’s death NUMEROUS times every single show. It has continuously reminded the fans by armbands on Chavo (on Raw) and Rey Mysterio (on Smackdown) that Eddie Guerrero is no longer with us. Either this is a super sign of respect for the dead and the WWE has finally got it and learned that life is valuable and we should not forget, or (gulp) …it means something else, something I hate to even think of.

It means we need to remember Eddie’s death, for a big twist ending at Wrestlemania that rivals pop culture’s desire for twist endings (i.e. Fight Club & Saw). It means that WWE knows people think Tupac is still alive and have figured out how to make money off of people’s inabilities to let go of loved ones.

Eddie Guerrero’s book is ironically titled “Cheating Death.”

With a widespread headline death like this one, it seems odd that there isn’t much out there to validate it. Findagrave.com has Owen Hart’s tombstone, but there is only a picture of the cemetery that Eddie is supposed to be in. The Smoking Gun has no documents at this time, relating to his death, though documents would not necessarily prove anything anyhow. I also cannot find any evidence that a life insurance check has been cashed.

The funeral was private with only a few dozen or so family and friends. The list of people are all related to the wrestling business. The funeral itself was ministered by SUPERSTAR BILLY GRAHAM - another wrestler.

Foreshadowing was light in the first few months, but now it is seemingly becoming more heavy with Benoit now joining Chavo and Mysterio using signature Eddie moves. If you watch and think about how foreshadowing could be a possibility, you will see why I am writing this right now, be it reluctant or not.

Current WWE programming has incorporated the entire Eddie Guerrero death into a storyline that is involving his wife, his best friends, and his nephew. One reason that makes me subscribe to this conspiracy theory is that these people would NOT want a part of this. Another reason I am in quandary is that I cannot understand how a writer for Smackdown can approach someone and even ask them to say “Eddie is not up there in heaven Rey, he is down there (in hell.)” With Eddie being a religious man, I would gather this would not bode well around those who loved him.

MORE FORESHADOWING… At No Way Out, they spent so much seemingly unnecessary time on Rey Mysterio when the match was over that WWE has to be planning something big. At No Way Out, Rey Mysterio lost his Wrestlemania spot to Randy Orton. He is mortified that he “let Eddie down” and lingers in the ring forever. Then he walks down a line of wrestlers in sorrow.

Rey supposedly dedicated his Royal Rumble match win to Eddie. He has now lost his Wrestlemania spot and this sets up a much-needed climax for a big finish at what WWE considers their biggest event of any year. A typical storyline in literature places a hero in must-win situation to avenge the dead, and all fingers should have been pointing at Rey to win at Wrestlemania. Now, they could still book this, with Teddy Long coming out on the next Smackdown and saying that Orton will have to now take on Rey as well in a three way at Wrestlemania, due to the fact that he held the ropes during the pin. However, another way to book this comes to mind as well.

Imagine Wrestlemania. A Rey Mysterio run-in fails and Randy Orton is beating the crap out of him in front of Vickie Guerrero (who is sitting at ringside collecting an appearance check.) Eddie out of nowhere jumps the fence, knocks out Orton. Rey looks up in disbelief. The audience is stunned. The next night on RAW… “I liiiiiied!”

It just seems likely that if Vince McMahon wanted to pick one wrestler to pull off the biggest work of all time and have him fake his death, he would pick the one whose maxim is “I Lie, I Cheat. I Steal.”

I am a wrestling manager; my ring name is Kenny Casanova. I did not know Eddie very well, but did have an opportunity to work with him on a few occasions. I hung out with him one weekend, driving him around Massachusetts for a couple of shows and he seemed like a great guy. He was constantly on the phone with his family and joking with people. He stopped in the mall to talk to a few fans. He was really down to earth. Before you blast me, keep in mind that this blog has in no way been written to disrespect him, but rather to disrespect the potential ruse that WWE might be planning.

I don’t believe in ghosts. I doubt the government is hiding information about life on other planets from us. I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories. However, this could be one of the BIGGEST ruses in history. If this is a big work, I have mixed emotions about it. I say kudos to Vince for looking at how people have subscribed to such fallacies in pop culture, such as Tupac or Elvis being still alive and figured out a way to capitalize on it. At the same time, I also think it is a work in bad taste and the trust factor would be out the window forever.

I will, however, not be shocked at Wrestlemania if an angle in wrestling were able to once again finally fool such a large population. It is slightly possible, that the Internet did not prevail this time, and the wool has been pulled over the eyes of millions. Even the smartest of all smart marks, could all be classified as gullible marks once again.

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Summary please.

Fucking bitch and moan. Just read the damn thing.

So what do you think of it Joey Slugs?

Doesn't matter what I think, but I did read it.

Prove it.

put a goddam ? in your thread title before you give someone a heart attack

It would be the greatest swerve ever if Eddie was still alive which he is not.

How the fuck can I prove that I read it you shithead? Lord. Are you that dumb?

It takes about 2 mins to read it. You little pussies all act like it's fucking "War & Peace".

Read it, nothing too interesting and the whole exploitation still sucks.

Raw is War.

Summary:
omfg eddie may b alive cuz:
-they keep using him on smackdown, and his wife
-rey/mysterio/chavo are still all using his moves, wearing his headbands
-WWE wouldn't be disprespectful enough to say he's in hell :shifty:
-Chavo kept his composure during the press conference
-His book was ironically called "cheating death"
-Something about his gravestone not being on a website
-Mentions this in comparison to other works, like hardy/edge -_-
-Says only a few people know and the ones that did were just acting on the tribute shows


pretty stupid if you ask me

I read it. In all honesty, it all adds up that Eddie's alive. Some points from the article and myself follow. This is all just a theory.

1. The funeral. It did seem weird that Billy Graham would do the service. I don't know what, if anything he has ever done with Eddie in wrestling, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

2. Chavo did not seem devastated. Fuck composure. If you had to go up to the press THE DAY your uncle, who was like a brother to you, died, you are not going to act all calm and answer questions. You're at least going to be teary-eyed.

3. The press conference. This just didn't seem right to me. It seemed too staged.

4. Eddie's wife, kids, Benoit, Rey, etc... Do you honestly think that they're going to stand by and let them exploit Eddie? Hell fucking no. Benoit, Rey and Chavo should have walked out of their contracts the second they had to be a part of this storyline. I know that there's that "living" thing, but morals can only bend so far.

5. Orton CONSTANTLY bashing Eddie. Go to hell, blowing up the low rider, etc. That's just fucked up if it's not for a bigger storyline with Eddie coming back.

6. The publicity. Vince wants to be noticed by the media and all the fans around the world no matter what it takes. What better way than to fake one of your top preformer's deaths, having news cover it, etc, then having him returning at WrestleMania?

7. The WrestleMania return. It makes complete sense that they do it if it's a work. Hell, I would actually go as far as to put Eddie in the main event if he were alive. Have Orton get injured earlier in the night by some freak accident, like being taken out by someone (Eddie) in a Rey Mysterio mask.

Have Vince make it 1 on 1 Angle vs. Rey. Then, when the match is about to start, Eddie's music starts and he comes out in his low rider and proceeds to win the championship. It would be the greatest ending to any WrestleMania, no matter what anyone says. It would be the biggest mark out moment ever in the history of wrestling.

Remember, this is all theory, but things just seem to add up too well here.

If eddies music hits at mania I dunno what I'd do.

Me neither.

Weren't there photographs off eddie being wheeled in to the hospital though?

If I had to put money on it eddie is in heaven.

I mean the hospital would make a statement saying "we did not recive the body of Eddie Guerrero"

LOL I remember some idiot telling me that Tupac was going to return during the Up In Smoke tour

Eddie is dead

Althought it'll be pretty sweet, it would the greatest swerve to happen in WWE history or in entertainment. Hope it happens but it wont

Oh yeah, it's more likely that Eddie has passed, but I would NOT put this past Vince, and things are just too fucked up to not think that he's alive.

Also, I've never seen those photographs.

Was the hospital where he died/was taken to ever announced to the public? I mean, if they never publically announced it, then who would put out the statement? (Just a thought....)

What has the WWE used as one of their slogans? "Anything can happen and possibly WILL."?

I'm suspicious about ANYTHING anymore since they pulled that Matt Hardy/Edge stuff.

I really don't know what's more fucked up--the idea that he's not dead and this is a swerve, or the idea that he's not and this whole situation really has been pissing on a corpse.

you guys think about what this would do to eddie?

yeah for the first few weeks/months everyone would be happy he's back and shit, but once they start thinking about it, they'll start thinking about how Eddie would agree to go through this, causing pain to countless fans who feel they know Eddie, and shit like that. His reputation as a good wrestler could completely be destroyed.

plus, isn't it illegal to fake a death? Not sure about that.

Vince exploiting Eddies death to gain ratings would be a lot less controversial and believable than him faking eddie's death :|

The WWE is in a time of crisis, their ratings aren't nearly as high as they were in the 90s so they need to do whatever they can to bring them up, which is why Randy said eddie's in hell

Hell I wouldn't put it past the WWE to do this, but it just doesn't seem to make sense in my head, I think all this is, is denial that he's gone.

Yeah it's pretty damn illegal to fake deaths.

It thought only if you have a death certificate.

Yeah, I know, I'm not posting in here, but with this title on the main board, I had to bite. And since I saw Xero's post...

Chavo seemed legit.

Eddie's friends and family...This is wrestling. No job security. Vince would do it despite them. It's all show. Etc.

I think its pretty damn illegal to hit people with chairs and break in to peoples homes with a gun.

No.

It's illegal to defraud an employer, the government, etc. by faking your detah. There's no real legality issue just from faking your death. If his "widow" had collected benefits, for example, or he used his "dead" status to avoid paying taxes, he's be breaking the law.

But this is wrestling; the equivalent of a soap opera, where deaths are faked all the time.

I've been wondering whether Eddie is dead or alive for several months now, and all of those facts just don't seem to add up. The WWE wouldn't do something like this if he had actually died; they've gone low before, but NEVER this low.

The fact that Eddie's life is a story about cheating death and being reborn only helps the theory that this is all a work. He's the PERFECT person to "die" and come back in the WWE.

But why would he do it? That's really simple.

Eddie Guerrero ended his month-long feud with Rey Mysterio without a single victory. Not one. At WrestleMania, Rey Mysterio gets a shot at the World Heavyweight Championship. If he won, it would make perfect sense for Guerrero to come out and beat his ass and take the belt in an impromtu title bout to cap off Mania. It would be amazing.

Still, rumors that Orton/Angle was the originally planned WM main event and Mysterio was only added as an aftethought go against the previously stated theory. But this is the WWE, and if they're going to these lengths to pull one over on the fans, they'd probably plant seeds of deception everywhere they could.

We'll have to wait and see, I guess. I really hope that this is all an angle, or else this will be the most tasteless shit that WWE has ever done.

Lol that was kinda the reaction I wanted when I thought of the thread title

Paul Bearer got killed in cement.

So long as it happens in the WWE, it's no more illigal than shooting someone on a TV show. The news... ha! They used to cover soap opera deaths.

I won't lie, everytime the heels get upper hands on Smackdown! my ears prepare to hear that cell phone ring. I laugh at myself sometimes, but it does happen.

It's a crazy situation that messed up either way, but both sides are feasibly saying WWE are fucked up assholes with no respect.

Paul Bearer got killed in cement.

No, WWE clearly said afterwards Paul Bearer was taken out alive after (on a stretcher) - seen both live and on WWE.com. It is part of WWE's policy (I remember reading it back in 03) that they will never fake a death on TV.

Anyway, really interesting thread, but this has to be clarified as I've seen it a million times:

The WWE is in a time of crisis, their ratings aren't nearly as high as they were in the 90s

Raw's ratings now are higher than anything they had before Wrestlemania 14 (1998).
http://www.steveswrestling.com/info/rawratings.html (Currently in 06, Raw is on average getting around 4.)

A friend of mine, who believes the conspiracies, is even saying that WWE would do this to hurt TNA. He is also a big Christian fan. Because of his jump to TNA was on that day of Eddie's death. He believes this was a way to kill Christian's momentum.

Just.. no

Anyone else think its fucked up we're even having this discussion whether or not a man really died based on the track record of his previous employer?

I really don't even want to think about the fact that Eddie could be alive. In one way, the writer has some valid points. And I really don't want to think that Vince horrible enough to keep making fun of someone who is no longer alive. But as much as we want Eddie to return, I just don't see it happening.

The article makes sense in the way that that conspiracy theory about the Twin Towers being imploded (rather than collapse under the failing members of burning structure). The argument makes sense if you read it straight up, but it makes basic assumptions that are subtly unsound. He says Chavo seemed too composed, but that's an opinion. He says the "in hell" comment is too extreme, forgetting that the writing team has shown tons of disregard for manners in years past. He mentions the private funeral, but that really doesn't prove anything. So what if Billy Graham (the wrestler) ministered it, rather than a real priest. That's only suspicious if you look at it that way. Kinda like how you don't hear cryptic messages played on a record in reverse unless someone suggests what it might be, and suddenly you "hear it."

So it's an intriguing article, and well written in a respectful manner. But unfortunately for us, Eddie's gone.

He's gone, there is no question about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

There you go. Insult anyone who dares to disagree with you. THERE'S one way to get support going your way. :roll:

Benoit deserves a fucking Oscar if its all a sham. The raw emotion he displayed at the tribute show was intense.

We can only wish Eddie Guerrero were still alive.

It would be a fantastic WrestleMania moment if Rey Mysterio won the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania, and then "Viva La Raza" hit and Eddie Guerrero walked out.

More wishing than reality, though.

What really gets me about this whole thing is that Chris Benoit poured his insides out on the Eddie Guerrero Tribute Show, and he has gotten nothing out of this whole ordeal from the WWE. Chavo Guerrero has his identity back, and is using the Frog Splash, getting wins whenever there isn't some kind of overriding stipulation on the line. Rey Mysterio has won the 2006 Royal Rumble, and is now main eventing WrestleMania. Some saw this coming before Eddie's death, but events since then have sped up the push process.

Benoit is currently US Champion, something he has done numerous times, prior to even coming to the WWE. It just strikes me as sad. I have no problem when the WWE uses Eddie Guerrero to help Eddie's friends and family take the spotlight, but when it is used and abused like a toy, in an attempt to get one person over because there is doubt they could have done it on their own, that slightly upsets me. I believe either everyone gets the treatment, or no one gets the treatment.

I mentioned this on another board. This is not a work. You know how I can tell... Benoit is NOT that good of an actor.

If Eddie's death was staged, you know what I would think? I would GAIN so much respect for WWE it'd be ridiculous. I mean, for Vince to be able to pull off the biggest work of all time, I would bow down to Vince's feet and worship him. That would take such secrecy and cleverness that I would be breathless and speechless. I would not be offended at all. In fact, my hope for WWE would be restored 100%; I mean, if Vince can convince 99.99% of the IWC population that Eddie really did die, then what else could he have us believe? I mean, this IS the era of anti-kayfabe, where what was once thought to have been real, ends up not so, or vice-versa.

Now, please, listen to me. I'm not saying I believe this guy. But WHAT IF it were true? That Vince really did fake Eddie's death? It wouldn't be the first time that the higher-ups fooled the workers to get a real reaction (Eric did the same to make all the guys in the back believe that Ric Flair's on-screen heart attack was, in fact, real, although that was botched and forgotten soon thereafter).

Just think about it for a minute. I for one would not be mad at WWE at all. In fact, I'd be so proud of Vince and co. that I would never doubt Vince again.

The one thing that stuck to my mind was:
So many things in that article rung true. Two tribute shows? Was Eddie's death that much greater than Pillman's or Owen's? I mean, one could argue that point, for sure, but I'm just seeing too many coincidence brought up in that article.

Geez, now I'm not so sure. :eek: :p

you honestly i was thinking about this, and it really wouldn't surprise me

The thing about the two tribute shows is that they now have two weekly shows. Back then they didn't. (SmackDown! didn't come until mid to late 1999). However, it seemed too perfect that it happened on a day when there was a super show. All the talent was in the same place, and they had both shows being taped that night.

This thread is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

I think you're giving the WWE too much credit, Mr. Rich.

First of all, if somebody was walking around telling you that Eddie was still alive, what's your first reaction? You're going to say, "Bullshit." and you're going to think that person is fucked up in the head. Since no one would want to believe that the WWE or even Eddie himself would do that sort of thing, there's no chance in hell you are. There's WWE's easy out.

As for the two tribute shows. Well, Eddie died on the day of a Super Show. Why wouldn't they have two tributes? Don't you think it'd be kind of odd (say if you're sitting in the audience) for WWE to have a tribute on one show and not the other? Also, Pillman and Owen died before they had two shows, thus eliminating any reasoning behind having two tributes.

Xero stole my thunder. :mad:

I don't remember Eddie's head being bandaged? I kept that SD on tape and on my version anyway, Eddie isn't bandaged and those aren't his last words, on mine, his last words to Batista are 'we're amigos, compardres...'

If the WWE were to have a big comeback like that, don't you think they'd build it up? What's the point of having him come back on a PPV if nobody who cares is watching? It's not like he's coming back on Raw, where you can hear the news and flip the channel or just catch it while channel surfing. If nobody knows about it, it won't draw. If it doesn't draw, it won't make a dime. If it doesn't make any money, why do it?

Wooo! This is idiotic. I know there are some morons who watch wrestling, and that it caters to the lesser-intelligent people in the USA, but if you honestly believe that the whole thing is a work, then you are a retard plain and simple and you should be posting here

http://www.specialolympicswisconsin....t.asp?CAT_ID=1

How can you build up a return from the Dead?

I have thought about this, but how would WWE explain Vicki etc crying, and how eddie faked his death? Or would we be so thankful he's back, we wouldnt question it? To be honest I dont wanna get my hopes up, Im not saying hes alive nor am I saying he's dead, but I'm afraid I'l Jinx it if I do get my hopes up.

he's dead, just like Owen. Or maybe Owen will return at wrestlemania because the WWF didn't drag his corpse out so we must assume he is alive. I am usually easy going but if you really think Eddie is alive you must be dumber than a bag of hammers.

False. Eddie beat Rey in there last televised singles, in a steel cage, on the first edition of Friday Night Smackdown.

That's my point. You really can't, so why even do something like that? It won't make them any money. Plus, sooner or later people will realize that the only reason they're greatful to have the guy back is because you duped them into thinking he was dead in the first place. They'll resent the company for it.

actually maybe Owen and Eddie will come back as Zombies!!

Vince is even smarter

he faked Hitler's death, and will now bring him back, allign him with Triple H and see if they can finally get Cena some Face pops

ddpBANG, you're right, no doubt about it, but I was just saying that IF it were true, I'd be amazed, in a good way, that Vince could've pulled it off. But I honestly doubt it is true. Hence the :p at the very end of my post. ;)

And Wooo! Flair Wooo!, try not to be an ass. 20 posts and already negative rep? Good job, amigo.

You guys are retarded.

I can't even read all of that bullshit. Yeah, this is all a fucking ploy, and Eddie Guerrero is still alive. :roll:

Haven't you ever heard of the Undertaker?

^ DAMMIT YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH BY TWO MINUTES!!!!

Actually, I would have simply gone:

KK set it up, and I knocked it out of the park.

i'm not being a ass or anything but what happened at the supershow?
they said they taped it then re-taped it when eddied died...

No, the supershow was taped after Eddie's death. Eddie died in the morning of the show. No reason to re-tape anything.

Eddie's death (morning) -> Press conference (afternoon) -> Supershow (night)

Or am I like completely wrong here? :?:

Well it'd be wrestle mania.

Yeah, lets say he did come back, before WM23 they'd keep coming back to it and reminding us that 'anything can happen' etc.

Eddie is dead.

Whoever it was that said that WWE's policy is not to kill off its characters, then how do you explain Al Wilson. And the implication with Paul Bearer and even with Muhammad Hassan was that the "characters" had been killed off, whether they were declared dead or not.

Killing off a WWE character is no different to the death of a character in any other TV show. It's kind of different in that these stars often use their real names and the whole fantasy/reality balance is a bit wobbly, it isn't clearly defined like, for example, a soap opera.

As far as the "fraud" aspect of this thread is concerned, it must surely be fraudulant to sell Eddie Guerrero tribute T-shirts, with the profits allegedly going to his family, if he isn't really dead.

I can see why people can start to believe it's all an angle... it has crossed my mind... but the death was reported by all the mainstream media. Surely at least ONE reporter would have looked into it deep enough to notice if he was actually not dead. Also, the autopsy reports were apparently published.

Also you have the fact that Eddie is being inducted into the Hall of Fame, which would either be a genius addition to this angle, or just a plain flat-out tribute to a wrestler who died in his prime.

But then on the other hand, everyone says how Eddie had been hurt and tired in the weeks leading up to his death. Maybe Vince didn't want Eddie to revert back to the drugs, and so he masterminded this way of giving Eddie time off to heal naturally and return with HUGE controversy and momentum. I guess for every fact that makes me think he could be alive, another makes me truly believe he is dead.

WWE has this week applied their new drugs policy, a reaction to Eddie's death. This means their favourite big guys like Masters and HHH will now have to maintain their physiques WITHOUT any additional, erm, supplements. Which, let's face it, will be very hard to do because people do NOT look like that without 'roids.

I'm amazed everyones over looked the fact that, if Eddie was still alive, someone would've noticed him by now.I think it's ridiculous were even discussing this, it's just a discussion started by someone who wanted to sound smart by writing this conspiracy theory.It's sickening if you ask me.

I don't really believe he actually IS alive, I'm just exploring the ways in which people can doubt his death. There really is an argument for the fact that, on paper, this could well be a wrestling angle. Even though it isn't.

I think.

^^ Most sensible post in this thread so far. ^^

Come the fuck on.

Ok, my viewpoint is this on this issue:

NO, we are not "retarded" or stupid for thinking that the WWE could be pulling the biggest swerve ever in history, regardless of these people who seem to think that if we even hint at considering that it could happen that we don't deserve to be posting here (and THAT has to stop). We're just enertaining the possibility, and YES, the article DOES bring up some good points. Yeah, it also shoots itself in the foot sometimes, but in other cases, it doesn't.

And yeah, we do with that Eddie would still be alive, myself included, but in all likelihood, it isn't going to happen.

HOWEVER, with that being said, look at how the WWE has handled deaths of their own wrestlers as opposed to the Eddie one. Owen is a big one here. They never dragged out his death in such a way as they have for Eddie. But let's go further. Brian Pillman. Sure there was that exploitation by Phil Mushnick that Jim Cornette ranted about later on that month (I think it was that month), and Vince had a candid interview with Melanie Pillman, but that was it. No dragging out of his death to the point that we got sick of hearing it, no repetitive dedications, nothing. The Bulldog didn't get that either, and the majority of his career was spent in the WWF/E. But with Eddie, Vince has insisted in pulling every little thing he can out of his dirty little bag of tricks to exploit the Eddie death. It does seem rather odd. Now again, I'm not agreeing that Eddie is surviving in seclusion somewhere, but I'm not disagreeing with it, either (if that makes sense). In other words, while it does seem POSSIBLE, it's not PROBABLE that such a thing can happen.

Then again, we have seen Vince do much stranger things, and the lows he's gone to are almost too far than he may have hoped to sink, so I wouldn't put it past the WWE to simply TRY to do something like this.

Notherless, the notion that we're all retards for agreeing that it is possible shouldn't be. We were all Eddie fans, and it's just a sign that we want for the impossible to end up happening, not matter how far off that may be.

I think a stunt like this would make them money. I don't think they have the wherewithal to pull it off though.

And the last guy to be successfully hyped in an angle like this was Jesus.

Well, Mark Twain counts, sorta.

Yes, you are.

This is like trying to argue that the Earth is flat. It is totally retarded to be entertaining this notion.

Wow...you and I have been disagreeing with alot lately, but alas...I, too, don't think it has a chance in HELL of happening. Not saying that I wouldn't expect the WWE to try it.

Wouldn't it be nice, though? I halfway WISH that there was a possibility, because the death still seems surreal to me, as if it shouldn't have happened, and as if it never DID happen, in a way. That's how it's been to me. While I'm not going to say that it has a chance of happening that Eddie would be like Elvis and have life after death in more ways than one, but I WISH it were true. I just say, give some people a break, as they haven't been able to come to terms with the loss just yet.

You're defending and entertaining a possibility that is only feasible if you accept that everything that's happened in the history of wrestling could have been a work.

I don't know why I even need to defend why I would opposed this sentiment, and assert that it was totally fucking stupid. IT's like arguing that Vince swerved us with their steroid scandal in the 80s, and it was all some swerve in order to put HArt and Michaels over. It's like claiming Owen Hart was assassinated, or Bret hart was never really crippled.

Sure, you can assert any of this is possible. You can assert 1+1 is 5, the sky is green, and that Triple H "held down" JFK, but it doesn't make it any more true simply because someone holds out a remote wild possibility with little actual basis to even state it.

Isn't he a zombie? I mean, he's the dead man, when did he ever come back FROM the dead? He's still dead.

Never really said I defended such a thing. Just saying I wouldn't put it past the WWE to pull something like that judging from what I've been seeing lately out of their camp. That and the continued analysis of the article in question is so heated right now. Just shows the passion some people have for this topic, I guess.

Now, let's say for a second that when WM 22 comes around, that during the Triple Threat match, we see Eddie come down the asile alive and well, and we're ALL eating our words. What would the state of the WWE be in, no, ALL of pro-wrestling, be in at that very second? Would it be the ULTIMATE low point to fake a death to get publicity or to gain someone pops or heat? Or would it be the best thing we've ever seen? And what about, saying that we end up seeing it at WM 22, the state of Eddie's career from then on out (again, assuming that this is all the biggest work EVER)? Would it take a huge nose-dive in respect? Or is it his ticket to full respect?

See, now I'm wondering what IF it were true.

Are you sure Triple H didn't hold JFK down?

Hmm...now that I think of it....he may have held Jesus down, too. :lol:

You're right. I don't see anything that might indicate you were entertaining the notion.

:shifty:

I said that because that's the way alot of people were thinking within this thread. There were many people that, while maybe they knew that Eddie couldn't possibly have survived, that there was such a slim possibility, and they, too, wouldn't put it past the WWE, either.

Hell, this is the same company that survived Katie Vick and Al Wilson and repetitve images of everyone sucking on Triple H's cock. Surely they might believe that they are invicible if they are still standing after alot of stuff like THAT? Invicible enough to do a "Eddie's fake death" angle, maybe, if that would be something they would actually plan.

I'm just saying when it comes to the WWE lately, I'm with whoever said it, it's hard to distinguish work from shoot or fiction from reality anymore.

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Could this man be Eddie Guerrero?

I still don't know what to think about this. I agree with a few others that Vince McMahon would be someone to try to pull a stunt like this, but I believe it would be an all time low if somehow this was true. A bunch of people have been affected. And with the show Eddie was on, Smackdown, mainly is the family show with a bunch of kids in the audience. If somehow this was all true with being a work, then there would be a backlash from fans and everyone else.

Another thing is the reasoning why they have been dragging his death for so long. It's like the WWE keeps reminding us that Eddie is gone. Not to mention that there have been many odd occurences since Eddie's death. And for some reason, most of it revolves around Randy Orton. Orton took Eddie's spot on the Survivor Series team and won, crashed Eddie's car trying to "kill" The Undertaker, and now has been making all of these comments relating to where Eddie is right now.

Lets not mix personal sexual fantasy with wrestling forum modding, FF. ;)

Oh, I'll do you all one better.

Eddie Guerrero's not dead. He can't die. Do you know why, esse?








BECAUSE HE'S THE DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS GOD OF TRICKERY!
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He lies, he cheats, he grants your spells per day, esse! ODALAY! OLIDAMMARA!

And that, my friend, is retarded.

They would have had to have worked a lot of people, including the media, for this to work. It's a stretch to go from the "Worked shoot" attitude or "Katie Vick" to get to "Eddie is alive and well."

You're also missing a huge element of whether it "could" happen. The question isn't only "could they do it?" In terms of morality or whether Vince thinks he's invincible. Of course Vince has the balls and thinks he can get away with it. He thinks he's PT Barnum, when he's not even a PT cruiser.


No. The question is "could they, logistically, do it?" The answer is no. And just because Vince might be macabre enough to think he could does not mean he had a chance in Hell of effectively pulling this off.

You're defending that which is about as probable as Back to the Future being a work of science fact. On some level, it's possible, but the liklihood is remote. OJ's wife could have been murder/suicide.


These are conspiracy theories at best, and wild even amongst THAT category. The Tupac conspiracy had more validity, and it was baseless as all fuck.

I wouldn't put it past WWE to try and pull this off, but note I said "try." While I think it's something they'd stoop low enough to try it, that is nowhere near enough to give it credibility on any scale. If people are justifying this with "well it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't anymore," Then it's not because WWE has fooled them, it's because they're fucking stupid and have no grip on reality period.

You know what?

Out-Nerding me is NOT something to be proud of.

I wasn't going to pot in this thread because of just how insanely stupid the notion of Eddie's death being a work would be. The article is both factually incorrect, totally subjective, and completely paranoid. Chavo was too composed? Some of the roster loked like they were acting? Yeah, those are great 'facts' to base your reasoning.

And then the people saying, "WELL VINCE IS JUST ENOUGH OF AN ASSHOLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!!" Well, maybe he is. But Eddie isn't.

Eddie Guerrero was not the kind of person to do a storylne that was as emotionally devastating for the fans who supported him through the years through all his personal demons.

And if you were willing to believe or buy into this theory just because you were saddened by Eddie's death, I feel for you. But how quickly would you opinion of the man change when you realize the people that something like this affected: those backstage who didn't know, those in the industry who worked with Eddie in the past and didn't know, and of course, the fans.

Believing this is believing that Eddie Guerrero is the kind of person that would be willing to cause thousands of people unnecessary pain for the sake of a wrestling angle.

So,yeah, you guys are retards.

OMG Would you all shut up?

Someone close this thread.

He is fucking dead you disrespectful bastards.

Well said. :y:

I will admit I was intrigued of the notion from that story that Eddie might still be alive... However, now that I think about it after reading the above quote that sadly Eddie Guerrero is dead and isn't coming back.

Agreed, this discussion seemingly needs no discussion.

True story.

My friend lsot his dad One year before this last Christmas. Now I stood in front of his open casket and saw the body, and his son was WAY more composed than Chavo...And he told me on CHRISTMAS and was still more composed. Anyone retarded enough to use the logic that Chavo wasn't emotional enough needs to be removed from the gene pool.

And even if he was, there's no way his friends are good enough actors to break down like that on cue. I love Benoit, but that was as close as one gets to a sure thing in life.

Which brings it beyond retarded, honestly.