Eddie still alive?

[Pinnacle Charisma]

Please dont neg rep me for this as I do believe Edde has died but this article is well written and does raise some good points


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IS EDDIE GUERRERO STILL ALIVE?
By Kenny Casanova from www.KennyCasanova.com
k9casanova@aol.com

Ok… Now some people will want to beat me for saying this, but I find myself asking a question that isn’t appropriate in any light. However, it feels like WWE is booking something that doesn’t seem possible and I have found myself asking myself a silly question whenever I turn on WWE. …Is Eddie Guerrero still alive?

My feeling is other people have suspected this, but no one has the pistachios to come out and say it. So here I go; Eddie Guerrero’s death could all be a big super smart angle for a return at Wrestlemania.

My brother-in-law is not a wrestling fan, but comes over to eat wings when we get PPVs. He saw some of what was going on with Rey Mysterio and wanted to know if Eddie was still alive. Whether fans want to say it or not, recent WWE storylines are making it seem like Eddie Guerrero’s death HAS BEEN BOOKED BY A PROMOTER.

Why would Vince McMahon want to go there? Why would a global megalithic corporation like WWE want to fake the death of one of its superstar performers, risking the possible backlash that would occur from worldwide media and its fans? SIMPLE… WWE figured out this formula a long time ago…Bad publicity is good publicity.

In a day when it is impossible to fool the fans due to the widely used lighting quick communication resource called the Internet, the WWE knows that “strategic leaks” are the only way you can really throw off the modern wrestling fan and subsequently create interest. Recent examples of this have shown that there is money to be made from false leaks if it is done correctly.

The Edge & Hardy scandal was amplified, exploited and leaked, then turned into a moneymaker (though it was too bad Matt Hardy botched his return promo)… Chris Jericho puts up a TNA logo on his site to keep interest on him. Go back a few years and you will see other examples. Brian Pillman convinced WCW to break his contract so his crazy gimmick looked legit to anyone who might do the research (only to jump to WWF.) Vince Russo drops false rumors on the Internet to throw fans off to create more shock when storylines go the other way. Austin amplifies his hatred toward Eric Bischoff in an ECW stint to get sympathy from the crowd and to push the envelope of boss-hating.

Good wrestling promoters have a history of twisting the truth to make the most believable storylines going (i.e. Road Warrior Hawk drunk angle, Bret got screwed angle, N.W.O. and other various invasion plots etc…) The promoters even work the wrestlers to get the leaks that they want these days and visa-versa.

There is so much foreshadowing going on that makes me think WWE is planning an “Eddie Return.” I know that odds of this are slim, and that this blog will be looked at as a big conspiracy theory. I agree with you and it is wrong to say it. But it would be even more wrong if they did it. What if Eddie’s death was a work? If it is, it is the greatest and, at the same time, the rudest work of all time.

I have asked a number of people in the business what they think about this and they say all about the same thing. “You are crazy,” or “I think that would be too F’ed up,” but after I drop a few little bombs on them that have made me wonder, they have wondered too.

The last time Eddie was on television, Ken Kennedy had hit him in the head with a chair. After the match, there was a promo with Batista. His head was all bandaged up and Batista was concerned. The last words Eddie said were, “Don’t worry about me, I am going to be alright.” This footage might be revisited if this is a big rude angle.

At the Eddie Guerrero Press Conference, Vince McMahon and Chavo Guerrero seemed to me to have too much composure. At the time when I watched it, I figured to myself, “Wow, Chavo is doing such a great job.” He didn’t seem sad and I figured if it were me, I would have been bawling my eyes out. I wondered why at the time and then resolved that it must just be he knew this day would eventually come, or maybe they were not as close as he had always told everyone. I look back now and wonder if this is a work, did Chavo think it wasn’t going to work.

Either there was and still is a lot of bad taste going on, or Eddie is still alive. Vince McMahon is a bastard, but grilling Eddie’s wife Vickie, a day or so after his death on live TV?!? How does someone even approach the option? How can you ask a widow to appear on TV when her husband isn’t even in the ground yet? Does WWE have no respect for dead people and mourning? Or did Vickie just get off the phone with a clean-shaven bald-headed Eddie Guerrero who is camping out in Jamaica?

Well if Eddie is alive and hiding out, how could this secret have lasted for four months? My guess is, if this is a work, the lockerroom could still be partially kayfabed to cut down possible leaks. And moreover, Eddie is probably just camping out, or maybe getting some kind of surgery somewhere and is indeed out of the public eye.

The WWE Raw & Smackdown Tribute shows seemed to contrived. While some of the wrestlers seemed very upset and concerned, others seemed like they needed to play to the camera. Now it is impossible to speculate (if this is a work) who knew and who did not know at the time of these shows. It is possible that only a tight group of people actually know the truth and might not have known the truth at the time of filming. I would suspect some (like Benoit) were informed immediately after the shooting with Eddie calling them. But even at that, Rey Mysterio did not seem moved at all. Mysterio taking off his mask seemed like the cliché “let’s make this look real” thing to do.

The tribute shows had a tinge of bullshit to them. The commentators on both shows said, “Eddie would have wanted this,” about a hundred times to validate what seemed like a moneymaker. This could be foreshadowing Vince blaming a return angle on Eddie, to keep the heat off of him in the future.

It is fact that most wrestlers have never been great actors, and the few who are have usually moved on to bigger and better the things. At the tribute shows, there was definitely a vibe of bad acting going on, which to me smells like a work. But were the wrestlers working the fans due to a future storyline, or because they felt obligated to be teary-eyed and were not?

One theory on the bad-acting vibe is maybe the wrestlers thought that they should be crying but were not, so they tried to. Seemed like some of the wrestlers were forcing themselves to cry because they thought that is what they should do in this situation, but the tears just were not turning on …It is possible that forced tears is the product of a desensitization to wrestler deaths –seeing how there have been so many. HOWEVER, forced tears could also be the product of the bad acting that goes along with another storyline.

I am sure that WWE knows how big the next-night ratings were when Pillman passed away and also Owen Hart. But they never had TWO tribute shows, due to a death in the family, nor has any death lasted as long with so much TV time and recognition as this one has.

WWE has referenced Eddie’s death NUMEROUS times every single show. It has continuously reminded the fans by armbands on Chavo (on Raw) and Rey Mysterio (on Smackdown) that Eddie Guerrero is no longer with us. Either this is a super sign of respect for the dead and the WWE has finally got it and learned that life is valuable and we should not forget, or (gulp) …it means something else, something I hate to even think of.

It means we need to remember Eddie’s death, for a big twist ending at Wrestlemania that rivals pop culture’s desire for twist endings (i.e. Fight Club & Saw). It means that WWE knows people think Tupac is still alive and have figured out how to make money off of people’s inabilities to let go of loved ones.

Eddie Guerrero’s book is ironically titled “Cheating Death.”

With a widespread headline death like this one, it seems odd that there isn’t much out there to validate it. Findagrave.com has Owen Hart’s tombstone, but there is only a picture of the cemetery that Eddie is supposed to be in. The Smoking Gun has no documents at this time, relating to his death, though documents would not necessarily prove anything anyhow. I also cannot find any evidence that a life insurance check has been cashed.

The funeral was private with only a few dozen or so family and friends. The list of people are all related to the wrestling business. The funeral itself was ministered by SUPERSTAR BILLY GRAHAM - another wrestler.

Foreshadowing was light in the first few months, but now it is seemingly becoming more heavy with Benoit now joining Chavo and Mysterio using signature Eddie moves. If you watch and think about how foreshadowing could be a possibility, you will see why I am writing this right now, be it reluctant or not.

Current WWE programming has incorporated the entire Eddie Guerrero death into a storyline that is involving his wife, his best friends, and his nephew. One reason that makes me subscribe to this conspiracy theory is that these people would NOT want a part of this. Another reason I am in quandary is that I cannot understand how a writer for Smackdown can approach someone and even ask them to say “Eddie is not up there in heaven Rey, he is down there (in hell.)” With Eddie being a religious man, I would gather this would not bode well around those who loved him.

MORE FORESHADOWING… At No Way Out, they spent so much seemingly unnecessary time on Rey Mysterio when the match was over that WWE has to be planning something big. At No Way Out, Rey Mysterio lost his Wrestlemania spot to Randy Orton. He is mortified that he “let Eddie down” and lingers in the ring forever. Then he walks down a line of wrestlers in sorrow.

Rey supposedly dedicated his Royal Rumble match win to Eddie. He has now lost his Wrestlemania spot and this sets up a much-needed climax for a big finish at what WWE considers their biggest event of any year. A typical storyline in literature places a hero in must-win situation to avenge the dead, and all fingers should have been pointing at Rey to win at Wrestlemania. Now, they could still book this, with Teddy Long coming out on the next Smackdown and saying that Orton will have to now take on Rey as well in a three way at Wrestlemania, due to the fact that he held the ropes during the pin. However, another way to book this comes to mind as well.

Imagine Wrestlemania. A Rey Mysterio run-in fails and Randy Orton is beating the crap out of him in front of Vickie Guerrero (who is sitting at ringside collecting an appearance check.) Eddie out of nowhere jumps the fence, knocks out Orton. Rey looks up in disbelief. The audience is stunned. The next night on RAW… “I liiiiiied!”

It just seems likely that if Vince McMahon wanted to pick one wrestler to pull off the biggest work of all time and have him fake his death, he would pick the one whose maxim is “I Lie, I Cheat. I Steal.”

I am a wrestling manager; my ring name is Kenny Casanova. I did not know Eddie very well, but did have an opportunity to work with him on a few occasions. I hung out with him one weekend, driving him around Massachusetts for a couple of shows and he seemed like a great guy. He was constantly on the phone with his family and joking with people. He stopped in the mall to talk to a few fans. He was really down to earth. Before you blast me, keep in mind that this blog has in no way been written to disrespect him, but rather to disrespect the potential ruse that WWE might be planning.

I don’t believe in ghosts. I doubt the government is hiding information about life on other planets from us. I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories. However, this could be one of the BIGGEST ruses in history. If this is a big work, I have mixed emotions about it. I say kudos to Vince for looking at how people have subscribed to such fallacies in pop culture, such as Tupac or Elvis being still alive and figured out a way to capitalize on it. At the same time, I also think it is a work in bad taste and the trust factor would be out the window forever.

I will, however, not be shocked at Wrestlemania if an angle in wrestling were able to once again finally fool such a large population. It is slightly possible, that the Internet did not prevail this time, and the wool has been pulled over the eyes of millions. Even the smartest of all smart marks, could all be classified as gullible marks once again.

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[Y3J]

Summary please.

[Joey Slugs]

Originally Posted by Y3J Summary please.

Fucking bitch and moan. Just read the damn thing.

[Y3J]

So what do you think of it Joey Slugs?

[Joey Slugs]

Originally Posted by Y3J So what do you think of it Joey Slugs?

Doesn't matter what I think, but I did read it.

[Y3J]

Prove it.

[V]

put a goddam ? in your thread title before you give someone a heart attack

[McLegend]

It would be the greatest swerve ever if Eddie was still alive which he is not.

[Joey Slugs]

Originally Posted by Y3J Prove it.

How the fuck can I prove that I read it you shithead? Lord. Are you that dumb?

It takes about 2 mins to read it. You little pussies all act like it's fucking "War & Peace".

[LK]

Read it, nothing too interesting and the whole exploitation still sucks.

[Y3J]

Raw is War.

[V]

Summary:
omfg eddie may b alive cuz:
-they keep using him on smackdown, and his wife
-rey/mysterio/chavo are still all using his moves, wearing his headbands
-WWE wouldn't be disprespectful enough to say he's in hell
-Chavo kept his composure during the press conference
-His book was ironically called "cheating death"
-Something about his gravestone not being on a website
-Mentions this in comparison to other works, like hardy/edge -_-
-Says only a few people know and the ones that did were just acting on the tribute shows


pretty stupid if you ask me

[Xero]

I read it. In all honesty, it all adds up that Eddie's alive. Some points from the article and myself follow. This is all just a theory.

1. The funeral. It did seem weird that Billy Graham would do the service. I don't know what, if anything he has ever done with Eddie in wrestling, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

2. Chavo did not seem devastated. Fuck composure. If you had to go up to the press THE DAY your uncle, who was like a brother to you, died, you are not going to act all calm and answer questions. You're at least going to be teary-eyed.

3. The press conference. This just didn't seem right to me. It seemed too staged.

4. Eddie's wife, kids, Benoit, Rey, etc... Do you honestly think that they're going to stand by and let them exploit Eddie? Hell fucking no. Benoit, Rey and Chavo should have walked out of their contracts the second they had to be a part of this storyline. I know that there's that "living" thing, but morals can only bend so far.

5. Orton CONSTANTLY bashing Eddie. Go to hell, blowing up the low rider, etc. That's just fucked up if it's not for a bigger storyline with Eddie coming back.

6. The publicity. Vince wants to be noticed by the media and all the fans around the world no matter what it takes. What better way than to fake one of your top preformer's deaths, having news cover it, etc, then having him returning at WrestleMania?

7. The WrestleMania return. It makes complete sense that they do it if it's a work. Hell, I would actually go as far as to put Eddie in the main event if he were alive. Have Orton get injured earlier in the night by some freak accident, like being taken out by someone (Eddie) in a Rey Mysterio mask.

Have Vince make it 1 on 1 Angle vs. Rey. Then, when the match is about to start, Eddie's music starts and he comes out in his low rider and proceeds to win the championship. It would be the greatest ending to any WrestleMania, no matter what anyone says. It would be the biggest mark out moment ever in the history of wrestling.

Remember, this is all theory, but things just seem to add up too well here.

[Savio]

If eddies music hits at mania I dunno what I'd do.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by Savior If eddies music hits at mania I dunno what I'd do.

Me neither.

[Savio]

Weren't there photographs off eddie being wheeled in to the hospital though?

If I had to put money on it eddie is in heaven.

[Savio]

I mean the hospital would make a statement saying "we did not recive the body of Eddie Guerrero"

[The Naitch]

LOL I remember some idiot telling me that Tupac was going to return during the Up In Smoke tour

Eddie is dead

Althought it'll be pretty sweet, it would the greatest swerve to happen in WWE history or in entertainment. Hope it happens but it wont

[Xero]

Oh yeah, it's more likely that Eddie has passed, but I would NOT put this past Vince, and things are just too fucked up to not think that he's alive.

Also, I've never seen those photographs.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Savior I mean the hospital would make a statement saying "we did not recive the body of Eddie Guerrero"

Was the hospital where he died/was taken to ever announced to the public? I mean, if they never publically announced it, then who would put out the statement? (Just a thought....)

[darkpower]

What has the WWE used as one of their slogans? "Anything can happen and possibly WILL."?

I'm suspicious about ANYTHING anymore since they pulled that Matt Hardy/Edge stuff.

[.44 Magdalene]

I really don't know what's more fucked up--the idea that he's not dead and this is a swerve, or the idea that he's not and this whole situation really has been pissing on a corpse.

[V]

you guys think about what this would do to eddie?

yeah for the first few weeks/months everyone would be happy he's back and shit, but once they start thinking about it, they'll start thinking about how Eddie would agree to go through this, causing pain to countless fans who feel they know Eddie, and shit like that. His reputation as a good wrestler could completely be destroyed.

plus, isn't it illegal to fake a death? Not sure about that.

Vince exploiting Eddies death to gain ratings would be a lot less controversial and believable than him faking eddie's death

The WWE is in a time of crisis, their ratings aren't nearly as high as they were in the 90s so they need to do whatever they can to bring them up, which is why Randy said eddie's in hell

Hell I wouldn't put it past the WWE to do this, but it just doesn't seem to make sense in my head, I think all this is, is denial that he's gone.

[KingofOldSchool]

Yeah it's pretty damn illegal to fake deaths.

[Savio]

It thought only if you have a death certificate.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, I know, I'm not posting in here, but with this title on the main board, I had to bite. And since I saw Xero's post...

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 2. Chavo did not seem devastated. Fuck composure. If you had to go up to the press THE DAY your uncle, who was like a brother to you, died, you are not going to act all calm and answer questions. You're at least going to be teary-eyed. 4. Eddie's wife, kids, Benoit, Rey, etc... Do you honestly think that they're going to stand by and let them exploit Eddie? Hell fucking no. Benoit, Rey and Chavo should have walked out of their contracts the second they had to be a part of this storyline. I know that there's that "living" thing, but morals can only bend so far.

Chavo seemed legit.

Eddie's friends and family...This is wrestling. No job security. Vince would do it despite them. It's all show. Etc.

[RP]

I think its pretty damn illegal to hit people with chairs and break in to peoples homes with a gun.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool Yeah it's pretty damn illegal to fake deaths.

No.

It's illegal to defraud an employer, the government, etc. by faking your detah. There's no real legality issue just from faking your death. If his "widow" had collected benefits, for example, or he used his "dead" status to avoid paying taxes, he's be breaking the law.

[Fox]

But this is wrestling; the equivalent of a soap opera, where deaths are faked all the time.

I've been wondering whether Eddie is dead or alive for several months now, and all of those facts just don't seem to add up. The WWE wouldn't do something like this if he had actually died; they've gone low before, but NEVER this low.

The fact that Eddie's life is a story about cheating death and being reborn only helps the theory that this is all a work. He's the PERFECT person to "die" and come back in the WWE.

But why would he do it? That's really simple.

Eddie Guerrero ended his month-long feud with Rey Mysterio without a single victory. Not one. At WrestleMania, Rey Mysterio gets a shot at the World Heavyweight Championship. If he won, it would make perfect sense for Guerrero to come out and beat his ass and take the belt in an impromtu title bout to cap off Mania. It would be amazing.

Still, rumors that Orton/Angle was the originally planned WM main event and Mysterio was only added as an aftethought go against the previously stated theory. But this is the WWE, and if they're going to these lengths to pull one over on the fans, they'd probably plant seeds of deception everywhere they could.

We'll have to wait and see, I guess. I really hope that this is all an angle, or else this will be the most tasteless shit that WWE has ever done.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

Originally Posted by Gohan3k put a goddam ? in your thread title before you give someone a heart attack

Lol that was kinda the reaction I wanted when I thought of the thread title

[Kalyx triaD]

Paul Bearer got killed in cement.

So long as it happens in the WWE, it's no more illigal than shooting someone on a TV show. The news... ha! They used to cover soap opera deaths.

I won't lie, everytime the heels get upper hands on Smackdown! my ears prepare to hear that cell phone ring. I laugh at myself sometimes, but it does happen.

It's a crazy situation that messed up either way, but both sides are feasibly saying WWE are fucked up assholes with no respect.

[DaVe]

Paul Bearer got killed in cement.

No, WWE clearly said afterwards Paul Bearer was taken out alive after (on a stretcher) - seen both live and on WWE.com. It is part of WWE's policy (I remember reading it back in 03) that they will never fake a death on TV.

Anyway, really interesting thread, but this has to be clarified as I've seen it a million times:

The WWE is in a time of crisis, their ratings aren't nearly as high as they were in the 90s

Raw's ratings now are higher than anything they had before Wrestlemania 14 (1998).
http://www.steveswrestling.com/info/rawratings.html (Currently in 06, Raw is on average getting around 4.)

[RGWhat316]

A friend of mine, who believes the conspiracies, is even saying that WWE would do this to hurt TNA. He is also a big Christian fan. Because of his jump to TNA was on that day of Eddie's death. He believes this was a way to kill Christian's momentum.

[dablackguy]

Originally Posted by RGWhat316 A friend of mine, who believes the conspiracies, is even saying that WWE would do this to hurt TNA. He is also a big Christian fan. Because of his jump to TNA was on that day of Eddie's death. He believes this was a way to kill Christian's momentum.

Just.. no

Anyone else think its fucked up we're even having this discussion whether or not a man really died based on the track record of his previous employer?

[RGWhat316]

I really don't even want to think about the fact that Eddie could be alive. In one way, the writer has some valid points. And I really don't want to think that Vince horrible enough to keep making fun of someone who is no longer alive. But as much as we want Eddie to return, I just don't see it happening.

[Corkscrewed]

The article makes sense in the way that that conspiracy theory about the Twin Towers being imploded (rather than collapse under the failing members of burning structure). The argument makes sense if you read it straight up, but it makes basic assumptions that are subtly unsound. He says Chavo seemed too composed, but that's an opinion. He says the "in hell" comment is too extreme, forgetting that the writing team has shown tons of disregard for manners in years past. He mentions the private funeral, but that really doesn't prove anything. So what if Billy Graham (the wrestler) ministered it, rather than a real priest. That's only suspicious if you look at it that way. Kinda like how you don't hear cryptic messages played on a record in reverse unless someone suggests what it might be, and suddenly you "hear it."

So it's an intriguing article, and well written in a respectful manner. But unfortunately for us, Eddie's gone.

[ThruTheWire]

He's gone, there is no question about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by ThruTheWire He's gone, there is no question about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

There you go. Insult anyone who dares to disagree with you. THERE'S one way to get support going your way.

[Scarface]

Benoit deserves a fucking Oscar if its all a sham. The raw emotion he displayed at the tribute show was intense.

[Mr. Nerfect]

We can only wish Eddie Guerrero were still alive.

It would be a fantastic WrestleMania moment if Rey Mysterio won the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania, and then "Viva La Raza" hit and Eddie Guerrero walked out.

More wishing than reality, though.

What really gets me about this whole thing is that Chris Benoit poured his insides out on the Eddie Guerrero Tribute Show, and he has gotten nothing out of this whole ordeal from the WWE. Chavo Guerrero has his identity back, and is using the Frog Splash, getting wins whenever there isn't some kind of overriding stipulation on the line. Rey Mysterio has won the 2006 Royal Rumble, and is now main eventing WrestleMania. Some saw this coming before Eddie's death, but events since then have sped up the push process.

Benoit is currently US Champion, something he has done numerous times, prior to even coming to the WWE. It just strikes me as sad. I have no problem when the WWE uses Eddie Guerrero to help Eddie's friends and family take the spotlight, but when it is used and abused like a toy, in an attempt to get one person over because there is doubt they could have done it on their own, that slightly upsets me. I believe either everyone gets the treatment, or no one gets the treatment.