this years wrestlemania is MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for the WWE
 

If wwe screws up then I think it will be the start of WWE ending it's reign on top. this of course is triple h vs john cena, cena is obviously the best new talent wwe has had in like 5 years and it is his generation and wwe has been doing things right except making him lose to edge which was stupid but now they should have him beat hhh, hhh is the old generation, john cena is the new generation, he needs to beat hhh to continue his strakl, they should do it like goldberg with counting his wins.

If wwe has cena win they will be on top for a long time because he is the steve austin of his era and this is his generation so wwe should drop the past like HHH and go with the future, if HHH wins it will destroy cena and wwe shouldnt lose their newest star because they need him to carry this generation, they cannot rely on hhh and austin forever because they are old and broken down. Cena has new moves like the FU that got impact unlike the moves hhh uses and all the other old guys, Cena is young and is the new generation.

also on smackdown mysterio vs angle vs orton is a MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for the WWE because mysterio is the young talent they should push, i mean angle should not have won the title. He was pretty good but baldie (angle) is old and broken down now and should drop the title to the future, mysterio. I mean seriously, baldie can't do 619 or any of those new moves, he is too slow and it would be dumbb if he wins.

Undertaker Vs Mark Henry is a MAKE IT OR BREAK IT For the WWE because they need to put the undertaker out to pasture and in the hall of fame, he is old and broken down and keeps taking the spotlight. Mark henry is old too but he has a bit more gas in his tank then the undertaker so they should have henry win and have undertaker retire the same night and be put in the hall of fame cause he was good but now he is just old and broken down.

This wrestlemania is truly something WWE should focus on, what do u think? I think their future depends on this !!!!! !

I think you have great potential if you learn that periods are your friends and that only one exclamation point is needed.

EDIT: I actually read your post. Fuck you, Kurt Angle is a fucking wrestling god.

First of all, Cena is gone until they turn him. Triple H must win the title or there will be reprocutions, including losing more viewers.

If anyone is leading the new generation it's Orton. Orton has a bigger shot taking the WWE into the next boom and leading than Cena does.

Mysterio is not a "young" talent. He made his debut in 1989 is nearing his mid-30s.

Saying giving Angle the title was a mistake is like saying having Hulk Hogan beat Andre at WrestleMania III was a mistake. It's just not true. He's the best the company has got, and although he is nearing his twilight years, he has a good three to four years on top to go.

Angle can't do a 619. So the fuck what? Neither can half the WWE roster. (Actually most probably could, it's just a shitty setup move for a shitty seated senton anyway.)

I'm not even going to touch your Henry/Taker comments.

lol let's call this guy the make it or break it guy

K

Lissen up and take a seat. Cena is the best face wwe has had since austin and hogan, he is not a heel. If they make him heel it would be stupid and he won't sell merchandise and guess what he sells a lot of merchandise, why? Because he is the best face wwe has got since austin!

Orton is pretty good but I have not seen him get good heel heat yet. he got good face heat so he is a pretty good face but i have not seen him get good heel heat. NOTE : cheap heat does not count like what he did with mysterio. Anyone can do that. Orton needs to work on his skill in the ring but he definetely has what it takes, just not polished yet. Cena is 100% polished. He is what everyone is talking about.

The reprecussion of HHH winning the title would be that Cena would be SCREWED again. He would e weakened and they already did that by having him lose to Edge. Cena winning here is a must, Cena losing would result in WWE weaking the man they will build the company around for the next 10 years (if they are smart)

Ok true mysterio is not a young talent, but he is fresh and he is not broken down like baldie. I mean, I like Kurt, he is a legend but sometimes you just have to retire and Angle needs to let another star on top because he just can't go at it anymore like he used to, mysterio can.

And 619 is important because it is a new move. This is exactly what the WWE LACKS, i-n-n-o-v-a-t-i-o-n ! Mysterio keeps creating new moves and his matches are amazing, it's hard to keep up with them, he is truly a man that WWE should build the company around along with Cena. Orton needs more time to develop, he is not ready yet.

Fortunately for WWE, your stupid assertions of make or break mean nothing, as they will not be fucked by a bad wrestlemania.

Unfortunately for us, they know this and feel no pressure to put anything good on.

Lol, the FU has "impact."

shut the fuck up!
angle is not old or broken down!
and your calling mysterio the young one...
orton is the youngest...

is this guy serious?

One word: Evolution.

When did you start watching wrestling? 2005?

Angle has an injured neck. He needs to retire because he is not the angle that he is, you people are seeing the angle that used to be, not the angle that is now. I mean, I am a huge fan of angle, but he has just not been like he was a long time ago.

FU is like The Stunner, it has the same type of impact except it's even more impressive, doing a stunner to Big Show is meh but doing a F-U to show is a feat.

I think you people people dislike Cena for one reason, WWE weakening him by having him lose to Edge. That was a mistake.

And Evolution? What did Orton do? Not much. Evolution got heel heat because of HHH!

orton turned face winning the whc sometime last year abnd was changed back to heel because he is incredible at being a bad guy...
mick foley said it himself :yes:

dude seriously, i am the biggest cena mark in the world, but you are being retarded

lol because he lost to edge :rofl:
edge is the man!
cena has been hated around here since he turned face!

Well obviously you don't understand what's going on in the wrestling world. If you did you would see that John Cena is the man that the talk is about. Cena has been built with a great genius, much like Austin, Hogan and Goldberg, an unstoppable face that overcomes all odds. This is how you make a face and you know that the name Cena goes with the names Austin, Hogan and Goldberg. Give it a few years and you will all be talking about how Cena is the greatest of ALL time. You're just being misled by Cena's poor build as of late (Edge etc).

Do a search on "John Cena". We have "disliked" (I would have used a different word, but whatever) since before WrestleMania 21.

Also, "a long time ago"? Angle and Michaels had one of the top feuds wrestling-wise last year. Angle may not be in the best shape, but he's by no means a shadow of his former self. If anything, he's improved on his out-of-ring stuff.

I suppose you're going to say that it was Angle's fault that the fans were cheering for him against Cena. He was the heel. He was shitting on America. Yet people still cheered him over "the best talent in the last five years". Yeah, sure.

And the ORIGINAL FU was great. It was a slightly modified DVD. Now it's a fucking Fireman's Carry Slam.

Okay, seriously, if he isn't a joke account and/or troll this guy is retarded. (Yeah, I said I'd let up on the n00bs, but I have to make exceptions.)

the original cena was the man, they fucked him over so bad after he got popular on his own, and tried to make him even more popular with their retarded ways

the only reason i am still a mark for him is because of how he was when he first became the heel white rapper

they can still fix him, but it seems like he is just gonna be fed to HHH

watch the segmant he has last week on raw with hhh again...
that's how boring he is now...
the booing was so bad...
he pointed at coach to when they wre booing...
and when he said that thing about he won a i know what hhh is gonna say, the boo's were proper bad

..............nah, too easy. :lol:

Holy mother of the Lord. Angle can still wrestle ten times better than most of the roster. Whether he wrestles like he used to is irrelevant--he can still put on a technical extravaganza, especially compared to guys like Cena. The FU is not impressive. It's a standing Fireman's Carry. It's just a drop on the guy's back. The Stunner wasn't any more creative, but it would genuinely knock somebody the fuck out. The FU isn't any more intimidating than a standard powerbomb or spinebuster.

Hardly anybody actually DISLIKES Cena. Cena's not as hyped around here as he used to be because he sucks as a strict face. As a heel or even an anti-face type role, he works. He's entertaining. No matter how badly you might want to deny it, Cena just isn't as entertaining as a face as he is as a heel.

...And to think HHH was the only reason Evolution got heat is just naive.

Ok several points :

1. Angle did improve his out of ring stuff to compensate for the quality of his in ring stuff, his matches have just been slower and he really needs to take a break. He's just not the man anymore. He needs to step down and let the new generation take over.

2. Angle did not play a proper heel against Cena thats a given. U can see a mile away his cheap heat that he was using and the fans saw that and laughed at it that's why he was getting cheered, because it was so ridiculous that u can't help but laugh. Angle missed the mark here.

3. I didn't really hear any boos for Cena recently unless u count the ones for HHH. Sure a few guys do it just to screw with the show, but that's not real heat.

4. Yea guys personal insults really prove ur point nice work guys!!!!

5. Cena was pretty good as a heel and you know what that shows? V-E-R-S-A-T-I-LITY!!! He can do either one, face or heel and do it well, this is another reason why he is the WWE's newest and biggest star since Austin ( who also could play both parts

Has to be a joke Account. Angle crippled > 99% of the roster.

Also, Cena's FU has no impact. The stunner at least looked cool. Even the Rock Bottom had more finesse.

Also I think the reason Cena gets booed by some people in the crowd is because it is a new trend to boo the faces and cheer the heels, people think it's cool because it is against the usual rules. I put angle partly to blame because he started it with those ridiculous comments that he was making (anti america etc) and people just began to see that it's funny to boo the face.

Random noob. Blah blah blah.

Its not called versatality its called being able to play both roles which should be a must for all wrestlers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR8tO...rch=hhh%20cena
not sure its all of it but...
can you hear the boos?
for your imformation they aint booing hhh because when he comes in they are cheering the hell out of him!

When you say "end of its reign on top," just what are you talking about?

I'm talking about TNA becoming #1 in the business

:rofl:

So HArdy's a heel, Bradshaw's a face, Orton's a face, Michaels is a heel, Rey's a heel, Edge is a face, Show and Kane are heels, Foley's a heel?

Damn, good to know.

I think I know where the problem is. Like I said, people are reversing what they do for fun because they think it's funny to screw up with the program. I also think they are doing it because they want to hear HHH say something ridiculous (like what angle said when he was anti american etc) , so they cheer to tease him and see what he can do in terms of being heel. They are teasing him because they don't like him.

WWE is to blame for this because they did not have Cena destroy Edge but had him look like a weak star when Edge destroyed him so they kinda ruined his image, now he needs to defeat HHH at wrestlemania to retain his character.

You have to totally ignore like 95% of crowd reactions in order for that to work.

What?

When a the TOP face (the person who is supposed to be cheered) goes aganist the TOP heel (the person who is supposed to be booed) and is getting booed, you've got a HUGE problem.

Angle was feuding with Cena BEFORE he became anti-American. He was feuding since Unforgiven, four months before the ridiculous comments Angle was making, and quite frankly I don't blame the WWE on trying something radical like that, whether it came out well or not. What's your excuse for September-January? Why was Cena being booed? And don't give me that "it's cool to cheer the heel and boo the face".

News flash, if that was true, Angle would have been face LOOOONG ago. The fans have loved to cheer the anti-authority figure since the Attitude era. (Although you probably don't know anything about that. 1998 was such a long time ago.) Cena was playing it and FAILING.

Cena was and still is failing as a face and the WWE doesn't want to change his gimmick. The WWE fucked him and he will never recover. And if he does, they'll have to do a HUGE heel turn.

Vermaat your just digging yourself a deeper hole

Would that bump CZW up to 2? :shifty:

Naw. KKW would pwn them.,

I don't know what show u were watching but on raw it was a miniority, a large number of people still cheered for cena, u know, a few bad apples ruin a bunch. And like u said, a lot of people cheered angle out of respect because he has given them a lot of entertainment and is old and they realize that so they cheer him for being an elder out of respect. I think Cena was amazing as anti authority especially on Smackdown when he attacked Teddy Long.

I think WWE did screw him up, you're right,but he can recover if he beats HHH

If it's a joke account, I fail to see the humor.

Then again, I also failed to tell Fit Finlay to his face that he's a fighting Irish bastard.

I never said they cheered him out of respect.

And lol at that last part about elders. That was a too retarded comment for this to be a serious account.

That will make him heel #3 after HHH and Edge! It will ruin the WWE because they will destruct their biggest new star. Who else has the face potential of Cena? No one that's who. Cena identifies with the youth of today, the rest of the WWE doesn't. WWE needs to be smart.

Also, why is Angle face now? Because WWE realized fans will not boo him because he is a legend, so they made him a face.

just kill yourself

fuck merchandise all they need is a new kurt angle book or dvd and then the money will roll in...
i'd buy them both

Yeah. It was just those males above the ages of 12...You know, the MINORITY in the wrestling fanbase.

It's pretty sad when your biggest fan base has a very high-pitched cheer.

I LOVE GRAMMAR AND PUNCTUATION

how does this guy still have green rep?

Not true, I am 19 and I cheer for Cena. So do a lot of people over 12, it's just that a lot of guys go to "screw" with the program and they think its really rebellious to boo a face and cheer the heel and they get a kick out of doing that.

lol your 19...

Working on the green rep problem now...

Also, wtf? Are you... dark_kane?

[quote=Vermaat]Not true, I am 19 and I cheer for Cena. So do a lot of people over 12,[\quote]

And the fact is, it's predominantly female. It's not hard to tell that Cena is not over with most of the major demographic, the males who've hit puberty.

No it's not, or you would see it happening in more instances.

But shit, why let reality get in the way of your argument?

Are you HHH?

I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said already, but goddamn, this is funny stuff.

First of all, John Cena isn’t the best thing to happen to the WWE in the last five years. Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero winning their brands’ respective World Titles was better. Christian getting cheered over BATISTA (damn good feat) was better. Hell, Batista’s face turn was better. John Cena WILL be a leader of the WWE, but not as their top babyface. Sorry, but Paul London has a better chance. John Cena is talented, but he doesn’t play the thug character well. John Cena will be a leader of the WWE when he settles into a stable heel role. Trust me; this guy reminds me so much of Triple H it isn’t funny. He’s got all the wrestling talent in the world, but people discount it, much like they do Triple H’s. This guy has all the tools to be Triple H's successor as top heel of the WWE.

I agree with your point about John Cena needing to win at WrestleMania 22. I will be rooting for a Cena win as well. JC is undefeated at WrestleMania, and the WWE likes its Mania streaks. If Cena can pick up some more wins and turns heel, when he jobs to a face at WrestleMania, it will be huge.

Mark Henry going over The Undertaker is stupid. Sorry, but it is.

Kurt Angle is done? Have you watched SmackDown! recently? The guy has had great matches with The Undertaker, of all people. Angle is also my preference for walking out of WrestleMania with the gold. I know two successful World Title defenses at WrestleMania may seem crazy, but it just goes to show how shit the WWE have built up Mania. Maybe if John Cena was challenging and Kurt Angle had an opponent that can win without fucking up storylines or without it being the entirely wrong time for a title reign, things could be different.

Part of me wants to see Kurt Angle drop the title at Mania, but to the winner of the MITB Ladder Match. Rob Van Dam? He’s the only guy I can see pulling it off without fucking things up. Unless they get Chris Jericho back to SmackDown!, have him enter the MITB Ladder Match, win and take the belt from Angle. That would be awesome.

No, there are a few people who are not sheep of corporate America, and don't conform to products they don't want to buy in to. John Cena is one of them. Randy Orton was another. The fans still cheer Batista, still cheer Shawn Michaels, and as much as I hate to see it, they still cheer The Undertaker. Booing those guys would be evidence of your statement, but unfortunately you are just a Cena mark, which is fine, but you need to stop speaking as if everything you say is supported by facts.

Facts are, Cena got booed so much the fans went nuts for Carlito when he stomped the shit out of him. Having Edge win the title from Cena didn't ruin anything, it got a huge reaction, including a temportary spike in the ratings. Fans TUNED-IN to see a John Cena-free broadcast.

I have not been a Cena supporter. I was one of the few last year who said he shouldn't win the WWE Championship. I have kept my basis for hating the John Cena character strictly within the realms of reality. The whole rap/gangster thing is dying off, with most teenage youths actually trying to distance themselves from it, trying to create images of their own. Professional Wrestling itself is kind of a fad that died off, so it shouldn't be expected to keep up with the times, but having a dated pop-culture icon as its figurehead probably isn't the best way to make a comeback. I actually think John Cena going back to his "Prototype" character would be a better direction for the company.

Who cares if Cena sells merchandise? They sacrificed merchandise sales when they turned Gregory Helms heel. Was that a mistake? Common sense would tell you it is not, as talent like Paul London & Brian Kendrick have gotten PPV time and exposure, which hopefully leads to something for those men down the road.

I NEVER buy merchandise. I don't even buy the T-Shirts of bands I listen to. You find a lot of the people who do buy merchandise, are those with enough time, or with a high enough ratio of money they can throw away, to really buy into a product and commit themselves to it. Younger people, as in 12 year olds. They don't have mortgages or taxes, and have more money to spend on their pass-times. Older audiences buy merchandise, too, but you'll find a lot of the people buying into Mysterio masks and Cena chains are little kids showing their full attention to their heroes. That's good and all, but when you go by merchandise sales, this creates a huge problem:

The main audience of the WWE are the ones who instead of buying a Mysterio mask by a "Best of Ric Flair" DVD (generally). This older audience gets offended when the WWE tries and pass narrow ideas past them (Juniors! Haha! They're little, which means they can't be serious athletes!). Unfortunately, some narrow ideas catch on like wild fire (The Undertaker, Boogeyman, etc.). A lot of the time, the older male audience realises that the ideas being embodied within WWE programming are being crafted for the audience that would choose to buy a Mysterio mask, because it means that Rey might see it and be friends with the kid wearing it, rather than buying a Mysterio DVD, which highlights how amazing in the ring he is. When you create that sense of realisation within the audience, that is when you alienate them.

My cousin, who is a long-time watcher of wrestling (he actually introduced me to it), has stopped. I'm not sure when exactly, but he was sick of being looked over by the writers. And honestly, the WWE doesn't seem to be trying. Instead of getting people who can connect with 20-somethings, they get writers who used to write for NICKELODEON! One suggested Melina be revealed as a transexual. Yeah, that is smart. It seems they just throw ideas out there to try and be radical, when in reality, ANYONE could write a more compelling storyline. Stop writing for mentally impaired, and I don't mean to alienate that audience, but for anyone who thinks The Dicks is a funny name, I doubt you will be reading this, because you would have seen the word "corporate" in my first paragraph and given up trying to understand where I am coming from.

Cena's character is an example of "Let's send the kids home happy at the expense of a more mature audience", and it will backfire for the WWE, as even if those kids remember the good times WWE brought them, when they are older and go to watch, they will realise how stupid it is and will move on. So in a way, the audience will always outgrow wrestling.

Now, if the WWE had brains, they would realise that sometimes kids watch shows with more mature concepts that they don't quite understand, and they will watch. And guess what? They won't outgrow it. They may not like it, but they won't feel childish for watching.

Alienoid, it's more than a few. The resounding boos he got in some venues were not some renegade faction who aren't sheep.

The fact is, even the sheep are starting to turn on the sheppherds.

Alienoid has got to stop posting such long things because Skippord doesnt like to read that much

Kane Knight Concurs with the girlyman.

Both John Cena and Randy Orton could have been big, but the WWE fucked it up. Now they will be nothing big at all. They may be entertaining (at times) but no longer have the ability to be BIG.



Carlito has the chance to be BIG, except he's stuck jobbing to a 56 year old.

The wwe is stuck in a cross generation time warp, they've gone back to the
80's with cheesy gimmicks like Paul the Pirate Burchill, the Boogeyman and others to name a few. Like Alienoid said some of these ideas have caught on, for example i think Burchill's brilliant, when before he was teaming with Regal i wasn't so sure.
However in the case of Cena it's too much, a large part of the wwe's audience grew up watching the attitude era, and loved wrestling being cutting edge and daring to a point. They see Cena and its more of a cartoon character then the hip image of todays world. He's supposed to be.
They are Bringing Animal back to turn on his partner, several years after his death and you sit there wondering what the hell is the point.

Wait so you agree with me or do you agree with Arnold

Or... John Cena is mediocre and we aren't buying it.

They didn't exactly book the Rock right the first time either.

However, they could have been looking at a new Attitude Era, with all the players: Build i around their Franchises, Orton and Cena. Supporting characters could easily include Christian, Batista, Hassan, Michaels (He's old but busting his ass), etc. Run with them. Let the over guys work at it, and even if Christian and such never would have been champion, they would have made for an entertaining upper midcard (Remember whne people like Venis would get title shots, and even though they never won, it looked good because they were popular and remotely credible?). Build up people like Carlito, and have main eventers put them over instead of vice versa. Ric Flair's gonnaa leave behind a trail of Jobbers, where Shelton and Carlito should BOTH be on better things.

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu john cena is teh man teh fans <3 him u dont noe wut ur talkin abut its teh renugadez who rune it by h8in evry1 whoz popular

Woah KK is way too good at that

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I think you should get off Cena's dick "Make it or Break it guy" because the bottom line is all face champions have short life spans. Cena has already been the champ for a year. All the fans will be getting sick of him including his teeny bopper army. No matter how much the wwe changes his face character ether to the prototype or to a more thuggish character it will be hard for the fans to stay intrested in someone for so long. However he can survive at a upper- midcard level as a face just so he hasnt the title for a long peroid of time.

Cena's long time future as a top line guy is as a heel.

:rofl: That was the first sign you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Calling the 619 a "new move" is another. Rey and many other superstars (not in the WWE, but still) have been doing that for years. Innovation? Rey is innovative, but they let neither him, nor hardly anyone else show it. If he was truly innovative, he'd be pulling off new moves every two weeks. But they don't let him do that.

Cena as their biggest face? Kurt Angle not playing the heel properly? Sounds EXACTLY like what the writers were using as excuses. Wow, are you sure you're not HHH or a WWE writer? Or Vince? :rofl: Hilarious.

And Kurt being old generation? You know, Rey Mysterio's been wrestling professionally TEN YEARS longer than Kurt. If anything, Rey's the oldie.

You totally sound like a WWE writer trying to defend himself by saying things like they're fact, when he's totally wrong but doesn't know it. I'd say it's a joke account, but Funky Fly has denied that, so you're an actual certifiable goon! :rofl:

This is classic. "Make it or break it?" Go back to school where your friends will think you know what you're talking about. Around here, people are smarter than that, so your so-called assertations will continue to be picked apart by... everyone.

lol, certifiable goon

The :rofl: 's in Corky's post form a perfect triangle.

that depends on your screen resolution and window size :o

Vermaat This is only my second post but hey. ANGLE ROCKS. Yes his pace has been slower recently but that is because his last 2 matches were against The Undertaker. Go figure. Put Angle in a ring with Chris Benoit or Rey Mysterio and watch his pace suddenly return. Secondly do you really think Mark Henry should end Takers streak? are you insane?? i started watchin wrestling again recently after missing 2004/05 and was extremely happy to find Kurt Angle champion he deserves it and should be champ because he is the best WRESTLER in WWE.

also if you need punctuatuion you could always copy paste from here. ;)
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Oh and to say Kurt angle can't play a proper heel Is like saying Shaun Michaels got screwed at SS '97. E.G Bullsh*t

Kurt CAN play a proper heel. But he didn't during the Cena fued. imho

Even if your points were valid, you're far too obnoxious and aggressive to be taken seriously.

Don't talk to me like that.

I think we found someone dumber than Kalyx. "Make or Break."

Anywya, Mysterio's allowed far more than most people, but he's had to slow down severely. This isn't an example of the big bad WWE forcing Rey to slow down.

But let's be fair. He probably assumes that anyone that short has to be young. ;)

I think we found someone dumber than Kalyx. "Make or Break."

Anywya, Mysterio's allowed far more than most people, but he's had to slow down severely. This isn't an example of the big bad WWE forcing Rey to slow down.

But let's be fair. He probably assumes that anyone that short has to be young. ;)

What the fuck was that? Did i just get laid?

Alright seriously, I'm a noob myself and i think this man is an idiot.

Angle IS the man and I've wanted cena to drop the title ever since he got it, to guys like Christian, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle and Edge. Ratings went up huge when Edge won the wwe Title, because people just generally hate john cena.........And edge is one of their best heels right now.

Mysterio better than Orton? Both are talented, although most of orton's talent is un-used. Orton is over as a heel, one of the best......he faces legendary faces and destroys them (other than undertaker).It gets him huge heat, and the fact that he's already been champion is enough to give him the belt again because its very beleivable and Orton deserves it (even though i don't like how they make him shit on eddie).

Rey Mysterio IS boring character wise, and should not come out of Mania as champ, wrestling wise he is fantastic, but his gimmick is shitty because they make EVERYTHING about Eddie, they should respect eddie and not bother putting him into storylines.

Oh and if this dude thinks he won't see HHH with the title around his waist again, he is very mistakenly wrong because he can get it back literally whenever he wants because he's fuckin the bosses daughter, and because he wants to be better than Ric Flair and shit on his legacy among others.

To sum it up, Cena sucks, HHH wins, Angle rocks, Orton rocks, Mysterio is lame on the mic, good in the ring.

Wow...this kid has some serious balls. Serious balls.

Hey tardboy....before you go thinking we're the idiots, think on this. Cena could be the man if the writers stopped trying to make him babyface. An Austin-esq face would do wonders for him. That's the Cena that could go huge if he just doesn't give a fuck about the fans, the other wrestlers, just himself. And it isn't "as of late" moron. Cena's entire persona has changed ever since he won the damn title last year. He sucks sooooo bad right now but he's got so much potential. But hey....if you keep thinking he's doing ok right now, more power to you. I hope, one day, you'll be allowed back in the daycare center with Slim.

Besides, what the hell are you saying Cena and Edge's feud made Cena look weak???

NYR: Edge pinned Cena BUT Cena had been through an 40 minute match and was utterly destroyed, and he kicked out of one spear.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena

WEEK 1: Cena attacks Edge after the Live Sex and Edge runs away.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena

WEEK 2: Cena attacks Edge after TLC match and Edge runs away.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena.

WEEK 3: Cena makes Masters tap out and Edge run away....again.
WHO LOOKS STRONG: Cena.

At least make sense if you're talking crap.

Thank you for the sum up I didnt really wanna read all that.

Hey, you think this guy is from that forum full of those retards who think Cena is the man and that Angle sucks?

The N or something...

I love the "few bad apples" comment. This guy seems to think there's a really small group at EVERY arena who boo the good guy and cheer the bad guys to "ruin" the show. How could a small group of fans sitting at their seats ruin a show? Do you think if the fans really did like Cena that small group of bad apples would be able to get the other 18000 people to boo as well? On TV you can't even hear that "small group."

As for Cena, yeah, he sucks since he's been Champ. If he was the original rapping Cena, he'd probably be better. When's the last time he said a rhyme? Oh by the way, "Chain gang" and "you can't see me" are horrible horrible catchphrases that aren't even catchy.

Well, you know, the entire city of New York are bad apples.

Random, I know, but I'm just thinking about the fans at MSG ripping into Lita and her almost coming to tears. It's funny in a sad sort of way.

:rofl: its like on timesplitters future perfect... he always says "its time to split!" but then figures out how lame it is and just says "i gotta go..."

Oh wow. Vermaat is priceless. 50% of me is hoping that this is a joke account, but at the same time 50% of me is hoping this guy is serious.

Also, KK, leave Linkin Park alone. They have done nothing wrong. ;)

Also it's a shame to LP fans to have their lyrics assosiated with this "certifiable goon".

Cena: YOU CAN'T SEE... Wait a minute, that makes no fucking sense...... *Walks off, never to be seen again.*

"You can't see me" is actually decent. I wouldn't put it on a T-Shirt, it works. Hell, I even see kids doing it. It works.

Anyhow...This guy has set logic aside.

I don't remember actually attacking LP.

lol !!!!

"Chain gang", "You can't see me" are bad catchphrases? lol maybe jabronie was a bad catchphrase too because these are the best catchphrases since The Rock! chain gang allows cena to connect with the fans like "hulkamaniacs" allowed fans to connect with the hulk hogan and "You can't see me" isn't about not seeing him it's about him being so good that u can't even see him because he beats u so fast that you don't even see him to know how he beat u. Sure it is not funny now but that is like that with all catchphrases, they are repeated a lot and no longer become new but that doesn't mean they are bad. Who else in the wwe has come up with new catchphrases lately? no one and Cena brough them in a big way, so to say that cena is bad because of his catchphrases is just GRASPING AT STRAWS

And most of u are saying ooh the reaction is so loud to cena well I dont hear it, sure I hear some bad reaction, but there is also a lot of people cheering for him. The reaction is so unclear that u cant tell, i mean a lot of ppl are excited so they just start yelling and sometimes you can't tell who they are yelling at.

Mysterio bad on the mic? lol !!!! Mysterio is better on the mic than a lot of other guys on the roster. Sure the storyline with eddie was dumb imo but come on they were doing it out of respect to keep the memory alive and because orton can't get good heat otherwise, mysterio is not to blame here, he has been quite emotional in hi promos and I like them because they show emotion unlike Orton who sounds like a old tape recorder. And mysterio was popular way before the eddie angle.

Mysterio a boring character? I think you have been watching a different show because Mysterio is one of the stars that gets the biggest crowd reaction. Him winning the title at Wrestlemania will be the "Wrestlemania Moment" and if it doesn't happen, the Wrestlemania will be crap and fans will go home dissapointed.

And the bad apples do get other guys to boo along because that is crowd psychology, they work the other guys into doing it because they make it seem cool and funny when really it is not.

And Alienoid, you may not buy merchandise but a lot of people do and support the company and the wrestler by buying their merchandise there is nothing wrong with doing that if you are a TRUE wrestling fan. Merchandise makes good money for the WWE so it is smart in a business sense to encourage wrestlers who sell it well like Cena. As far as Helms, well, yeah wwe took a hit with that but he is a cool heel and he probably wasnt selling as much merchandise because everyone who wanted his merchandise probably got it so they decided to make him a heel which was a smart decision.

Cena's character is not for kids, sorry, but hip hop/rap is the culture right now and that's what popular with people now and it allows people to better identify with Cena. Sure, it is good to have a character identify with kids and Cena does that well because guess what? A lot of kids watch the WWE. I don't think a true wrestling fan can say that you can outgrow wrestling, maybe you are not a true wrestlin fan because we know that you can't outgrow wrestling.

And RVD mark, of course henry is not the best guy to break taker's streak, but they gotta do it because Taker is way too old to keep wrestling now. Henry has a few good years left but Taker is just a guy that needs to slip in retirement.

And Angle WAS the best wrestler in the wwe when he was a little younger, but now he has reached his prime and is past it, if he keeps going he will become another Hulk Hogan. Sure, he can still wrestle, but everytime it gets less and less in quality because of his age and broken down physique. It is good to retire on top imo. The best wrestler in the WWE right now is Mysterio anyway imo.

I dunno about you, but I haven't seen the other wrestlers pull out moves as innovative as Mysterio. I mean the most innovative i have seen from angle was a moonsault, yeah, he was really good, but like most of the wrestlers he lacks innovation that Mysterio posses. Sure Mysterio did these moves before the WWE, but he is the one that brough them in and he is the only one that does them. I mean watching a mysterio match is like a roller coaster because you never know what's gonna happen. WWE should have had him win the world title when he first appeared, but now is their chance to go into the new era with two new superstars that can truly put this new era on the map like Rock and Austin did and these guys are Rey and Cena.

Vermaat, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I :love: PureHatred.

You're kinda weird, you have it right, but, then you dont. Like you know the terms, but you aren't really using them in a clever way.

He is definitely not Shock&Awesome.

Wow that was lame.

My balls are aching with such a pain that I believe a ten thousand or so of my own sperm may have spontaneously exploded, not willing to see light of day and become babies in a world with such sheer mother fucking stupidity.

I pour a forty for thee, o poor and unfortunate sperm, who gained such a terrible view of the world before you even fertilized something. Thanks, Vermaat. You've committed your first ten thousand or so abortions.

What's surprising is how many posts on TPWW seem to start with those exact same words.