HBK Upset About 'Mania Match
 

<strong>From Rajah.com</strong>

I guess there are still traces of the old HBK around...but I can't help agree.

HBK had every right to get pissed.

Well, it was Cena he was facing, why am I not surprised by this? This had the potential to be a classic match, but it seems Cena knows he's getting a free ride in WWE and just doesn't care as much. Seems to be all about him rather than the match itsself.

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Excellent.

That shit with him talking to him when he was down, that was freaky, almost as if Michaels had left his body and was in another world. I thought for a second that Cena had a legit injury and they were talking about what to do and Michaels was covering it.

Cena is fucking useless as far as I'm concerned. Sunday was no exception.

I was wondering why they cut the audio.

I hope this spells the end of Cena's Super Man style.

Yeah when Cena exploded and hit the clothesline, I was thinking "what the fuck happened to that bad leg?"

Looked pretty indyish not selling it for a longer time, not something you'd expect from the WWE Champ

You know, watching it again there were quite a few instances where Michaels didn't seem in character and had a "I want to fuck you up"/Cocky type of look to him.

Actually, I had noticed that through the entire match up. Like "does he really want to kill Cena tonight or something?"

Almost wish he had.

Michaels obviously knew from the word go how Cena was going to be, so put on that persona from the beginning, what with the sitting on the ropes and shit.

I should blame him, but I don't.

If Michaels can get into Hunter's ear things may pick up. Or, in Cena's case, bog down.

Good. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was disgusted with the match.

I'll say this, Cena has always had potental...but his face persona is too stale and he really never improved his in ring ability (something he admitted he couldn't probably do 3 years ago).

He doesn't need to though, like others have said, he's a suck-up to McMahon in the back and has the kids cheering for him - so therefore getting a free ride.

I've said for a long time (and been shot down a lot for it too) that Cena - as champion, has as much say in the direction of his character as the bookers do. He's the most marketable star (I won't argue that) and could easily say to people in the back - You know, its time for me to lose the Superman thing. It's time for me to be a heel. It's time for me to do something more than I was doing 3/4 years back. It's time for me to drop the title and chase it, maybe even dip into a no.1 contenders feud with Orton for a while.

People say 'well the Rock only had 5 moves etc etc', the difference being that The Rock was far far more over than Cena is, and he was unafraid of losing big matches, as was Austin. Unafraid of others being over.

He's the Hulk Hogan of now, probably an indication of why Michaels said what he did Monday night. Brother.

:lol: This is what happens when you book a wrestler as a superman. He forgets how to sell properly and becomes superman.

I'm not gonna fault HBK for being mad in this case. He's got a point.

The Rock also had as much charisma in his pinky toe than Cena will ever have

So if I went to Vegas and put a bet on how long it would take WWE to realize that Cena is retarded, I got a feeling it would look like this

20-1 Cena has a few more matches at house shows to get him back into shape

50-1 Cena drops title and wrestles more of the 3rd or 4th spot on the card rather than 1st or 2nd

1000-1 Cena drops title...get de-pushed to Heat, and we never hear or see his ass around unless we choose to.

It is true, Cena should have sold the leg.

Heather Mills should've too.

But if he wasn't the champ, then his really cool Subway commercial with Jared wouldn't make any sense. :shifty:

Oh DAMN. shiiit son. thats pretty crazy, i'd be mad too though.

Other then the non-selling of the leg, it was a fine match.

If that's true then I think HBK has it right.

My mom, who decided to sit down and watch the match with me and my friends, even commented on it. The whole time she was like Shawn Michaels is gonna hurt him and then Cena gets up and she says what the hell happened to his leg i thought he was hurt

If my mom can point it out, then it was pretty bad

Yeah, I especially remember watching that spot where Cena ran full tilt with the clothesline like nothing was wrong with his leg and thinking, 'what the fuck'? I do not even recall Cena even trying to sell the leg injury from that point on.

I still think it was better than most John Cena matches and I enjoyed it... well, except for John Cena winning that is.

I still think Shawn Michaels should have shaken John Cena's hand at the end of the match though if that was 'scheduled' to happen, and dealt with the situation when both guys were behind the curtain.

No. I'm hoping this leads to the re-emergence of the politicking, I don't lay down for anyone, asshole Shawn Michaels - that everyone loves.

^ I would agree with you if it was any other PPV besides Mania.

Wow. I love how the people that reported this had the journalistic integrity to actually check this before criticising Shawn Michaels.

The reason I say this is because Meltzer never said any of this, it's been made up by some internet fanboy. If you want to listen to Meltzer on the LAW, then go to liveaudiowrestling.com - click on the icon in the top right corner and fast forward to 45 minutes in when he comes on - none of this is mentioned whatsoever.

The very nature of the story is hilarious, like selling the leg is what makes a match. Shawn wouldn't give a fuck about that, he's old school, it's never about "selling the body part", wrestling is about drama, he knows it, he wouldn't give two shits if he sold the leg at the finish or not.

You know, watching that main event has made me go from absolutely hating Cena, to really just shaking my head at him.

That being said, I feel really badly for the guys that have to continue to job to him time and time again as the WWE feeds their financial monster. Yeah, I 'did' notice HBK's attitude during the match, and it was very apparent that he was frustrated with the match. Hell, I was frustrated with it.

I remember back when HHH was dominating and he came up to take on Cena, and what did HHH do? He did what everyone 'wanted' him to do at the time, and jobbed, even tapping like a little bitch for Super Cena. I was one of the people ready for him to do the job, yet, afterward, it was really kind of sickening.

I think even Cena felt a little sick, and honestly, I think you can see it on his face. I honestly believe he tries to be a good performer, but he just doesn't have it. If you watch that match again, after HBK taps, Cena almost seems embarrased. And I don't know about you, but that was one of the most understated 'Mania main event celebrations I have 'ever' seen.

Edit: I think I was reading a comment by Alienoid on another thread about Cena being pulled outof the title picture for awhile to work some non-title fueds until HHH returns. I think that's a great idea. Edge and Orton haven't really had a chance to really make a pull run...and it might be the most entertaining thing on in quite awhile. Hell, I'll tune in just to see a main event that doesn't involve HHH, Cena, or HBK. Kennedy, Lashley, Edge and Orton getting a big run doesn't bother me one bit.

I truly believe if they did that, HBK would have killed him backstage. Michaels works on the knee for upwards of 8-10 minutes in the match and then Cena just no sells it.

It's as if the new glass ceiling goes

HHH
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Cena
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The rest of the 3 rosters

I didn't notice, but did anyone notice if Michaels worked stiff on RAW?

Edit: What the hell am I talking about? He and Cena had one spot.

I don't think Shawn Michaels is the guy to work stiff, anyway.

I checked Rajah this morning, and I didn't notice any article reporting this, so I'm assuming it was taken down, which makes me think that the previous accusation of this being bullshit is accurate.

The match was underwhelming, though, especially for a WrestleMania. People who thought it was going to be a classic must have egg on their face.

I thought the match was pretty decent, to be honest.

Decent is far from classic. People were talking about how this could be a MOTYC, and be up there with the greatest WrestleMania events of all-time. That was a little silly.

If this isn't legit I'd like to know what HBK was giving Cena shit for during the match...

That's a good point. I'd like nothing more than for this to be legit. Cena is not the saviour of professional wrestling like the WWE makes him out to be.

If WWE continues to book Cena as a super-hero babyface with a never say die attitude, I can see a situation arise where Cena will play Bret Hart to an Austin like foil.

I do not think the WWE will book that shit until either...

The ratings drop really low
Cena's merchandise sales drop significantly
Another wrestling company is kicking their ass into the ground

d) all of the above

But honestly, you guys act like Cena is the only person to ever not sell an injury. It happens all the time. HBK worked Mankinds leg over really good at In Your House and Mankind finished the last 7 minutes or so of the match as if it never happend.

COmon. I dont like Cena either, but stop coming up with bullshit to bury him with. No selling an injury happens all the time.

LOL @ people getting upset over nothing.

Just talking smack. Listen REALLY carefully and watch his lips closely.

It's interesting that you bring up the point of watching his lips. On another message board I frequent, someone swears that when HBK is on top of the ring post after that fan is ejected, that he mouths "Let's get this shit show over with, I've gotta job to you, Cena" and after the match when Cena goes to shake his hand, HBK says "Not tonight" and walks off.

Now I'm hopeless at reading lips, but if that's true, then I'm inclined to believe that maybe HBK was going to win but plans changed at the last minute, hence HBK being pissed at Cena.

HBK/Cena had the potential to be a really great Mania main event. I won't deny that. But it was trash, the build up sucked, there was no real psychology in the match and whether this story is true or not -- Cena should have sold the fucking leg. It was disgusting the way he played that off.

I love HBK.

I've just watched that over and over and he definately says "job to you cena"but I cant tell if he says "lets get this shit show over with"

I've seen indy guys that are better sellers.

Is it possible the knee part, the frustration was legit, but not the "unscripted" shit?

I'd guess there's either a grain of truth here, or the story got started by someone who assumed that's what went down.

I would just like to point out that no matter how great Shawn Michaels is (and man is he fucking great), John Cena could slap the taste out of his old mouth any day of the week and take his hair plugs with it.

If I havn't said it a thousand times before, I just want to record to state that I love Michaels.

(NOTE: I didn't watch Mania, so I have nothing intelligent to add to this conversation other than HBK markish fanboyism.)

I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that this could be a work, something that WWE or else Michaels and Cena put out there to catch the eye of the IWC in order to generate some actual interest amongst us. To me, the one thing that doesn't ring true is the idea of Michaels saying "I've gotta job to you, Cena" during a match. Something about that doesn't feel right.

I'm not a huge fan of Kennedy or anything, but this would work if he jumps to Raw and cashes in his MITB. He could beat Cena with the aid of interference from HBK. Cena could then continue his feud with HBK, while Kennedy feuds with Orton & Edge for the Title. This would be the perfect opportunity to keep the strap on Kennedy until HHH's return, because his background is that he's beaten every major champion on Smackdown in the last year...now Cena. Plus, this way, WWE can have HHH win the belt at Summerslam (or when he returns) without having to go over their precious Cena.

A Kennedy/Orton/Edge angle would be pretty entertaining IMO.

Who exactly was saying this could be MOTYC?

Meh there was some wank to that effect before it happened. Not since.

Hogan no sold finishing moves for christ's sakes during his run, so it's not surprising to see this happening.

HBK, YOU Tapped out. BITCH.

Comparing Cena to Hogan is only going to bolster the case for Michaels.

everyone else is comparing his push to Hogan's. Just saying that's how the superman push works.

True. Disgusting, but true.

How many stars are in the galaxy?

How long does it take to count to infinity?

Will the Iraq War ever end?

What is the meaning of life?

Is there life after death?

Could a mini Ditka beat the Indianapolis Colts?

Who would win a Cena vs. Hogan match?

yes
yes
yes
yes
no
yes

You answered all of them right except the last one BDC. It was a trick question. Luckily I was able to go to the future in a Delorian that Kurt Angle built me out of his belly button lint and I've seen the match. At Wrestlemania 25, both Cena and Hogan refuse to sell any moves or put each other over the entire match. They then FIRE UP simultaniously on each other at the end, which comes off as ridiculous because neither was ever in peril. After a 3 hour time limit, there are no pin falls and the match is ruled a draw.

J.R. mistakes the sound of 80,000 fans collectively blowing their heads off for a gigantic grand finale firework ending and pronounces the match "BBBBAAAWWWGGGGAAAAAWWWWDDDDD THE GREATEST MAIN EVENT IN WRESTLEMANIA HISTORY" as they go off the air.

There are no survivors.

accept for Adrian adonis

He was riding shotgun in the Delorian.















And "road head" is "road head." :shifty:

http://www.dailymotion.com/search/hb...ena-vs-hbk-pt1
there's a lin kto the match, I'm just gonna watch it now and see the mouthing, haven't actually watched it yet so I'm not sure if the fan is edited out...

Dude, today alone I've heard you express desire to boink Adrian Adonis, Melina, and an Inanimate Carbon Rod. Something you want to tell us?

I thought it fucking sucked but noDQ said HBK didn't complain.....I liked the Cena vs JBL I quit match MOTY. Hmmmmm? :shifty:

Ummmmm, I'm Boink The Clown?

I think you need to change your title to that now, Mr. Member.

I caught "let's go, I gotta job to you Cena" while he had a bored look on his face.

It was the best match of the night, Cena not selling a leg doesn't knock it down because that isn't what wrestling is about, and the report about what Meltzer said is a fraud. End of story.

Of course you'd think it was the best match of the night. It had HBK in it...:roll:

Yeah, he totally says, "Let's go, I've gotta job to you, Cena."

I think he said, "let's go, I've got a job to DO"

Hey, I'm totally impartial - but no match on that show had the drama the main event did. The stuff they were doing was awesome, and it was exciting as hell. John Cena not selling the leg at a point in the match when it wasn't about the leg doesn't matter - did it sound like the crowd gave a fuck? The only people that care are the "little bit of information is a dangerous thing" internet crowd that things wrestling psychology is about working a body part, when it isn't.

I'm with ya, but you're not impartial. Seriously.

Which btw, does not imply a shoot in any way.

I gave it ****

I am a Michaels fan, but will openly criticise him if I think he does something wrong, but Michaels isn't the issue - Cena is, and Cena did nothing wrong by not selling the leg at the end.

I was just agreeing with someone when they mentioned how Super Cena ran full throttle out of the corner without any trouble to nail Michaels with a clothesline... when only moments before he was selling the leg injury like death.

I didn't let it bother me or claim it ruined the match, but it was a REAL noticeable spot. Even a few of my casual wrestling friends stopped paying attention to the match to razz me about the spot and saying wrestling is fake and whatever when they saw it. So I can understand why some people may claim that it hurt the match, but in no way do I think anyone can say it ruined the match. However, I'd wager that it probably hurt the match to a degree or two though.

...But still, it was a damn fine match in my opinion.

NO, Hogan makes everyone job to him.

I didn't see the match, but there is no way this could hurt the match the way people claimed it did, so I agree. I mean, maybe there were other things that hurt it as well...I don't know. But not selling an injury, while lame as all fuck, couldn't kill the match.

Cena was getting jeered pretty heavily. The Boo/Yay thing sticks out in my mind. (Although I enjoy WWE bending it over and taking it from the fans)

Although most of the reason the match blew was because Cena is shit in the ring. Not to state the fucking obvious.

Bingo!

Seriously. That match had other problems going for it than just someone forgetting to sell a knee injury. That didn't even stand out to me. It looked like they went out there with like no plan and by the time they came up with one, they had lost a good amount of the audience.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Even with the no sell, the match lost steam haflway through it IMHO.

Agreed, Michaels and Cena had no semblance of chemistry in the ring. I'd blame that on the shitty build, the over exposure of the champion and the fact that they'd been teaming for what seems like an age and were tag champs.

All in all, it was truly shitty since they announced it after the Rumble, what happened Sunday was a culmination of that, adding in the fact that Cena is an awful worker, and Michaels knowing this from the moment he arrived at the ring.

I disagree. Batista vs Undertaker was the best match of the night.

Frankly, I don't see what storyline build has to do with chemistry in the ring. As for them teaming, I would think that if anything, that would help, rather than hurt.

Also, OMG THERE IZ NO WAY MIKALZ SAD HE HA HAD A JOB 2 DO HE SAD CENA EYE HAF 2 JOB 2 U EYE NO B/C DA INTANET REPORTR SAD SO!!!!!!!!111111

And makes a lot more sense, too.

Yeh, because the crowd wasn't going crazy for the last section of the match or anything. Geez, they were only the loudest they were all night.

Perfectly entitled to your opinion, my preference was the Cena/Michaels match as I felt it built better and the sequences at the end were more dramatic.

Austin was afraid to lose big (and small) matches as soon as made it to main event level. And HBK is hardly the most willing guy to do the job.

Seriously, anybody who makes out Cena is Superman and HBK is willing to do what's best for anybody other than himself seriously need to get their heads testing. if anything, Cena probably jobs more often than HBK...

The crowd were loudest during Batista/Undertaker entrances and for the finish to Batista/Undertaker match... I was at Ford Field and, believe me, nothing else came close to that.

:y:

Hey, at least you're honest about the fanboyism (rather than other who pretend they're not and look for any reason to bash whoever HBK may not like)

As fot the no-selling of the leg, it has happened way too many times in matches (believe it or not, but HBK also does that himself in his matches). It's amazing how people can blame that for the reason why the match wasn't a classic.

Heck, for those who said HBK was going to get a MOTY out of Cena (I think it was Jeritron who said that somewhere) all you needed to do was watch the first 3 mins of the elimination chamber match at NYR 2006 to realise that HBK-Cena was never going to be a classic.

And whilst I'm on the subject, HBK was booed quite a lot during his entrance (more than Cena was, and way more than anybody could have guessed) even if that wasn't picked up much on tv... no doubt that would have pissed him off more than he let on.

What could have made the match even better would be if both wrestlers made the cover on each other straight after hitting their finishers on one another. I don't see why they would wait so long other than they wanted to protect how good their finishers are in front of the fanboys. It was the main event of Wrestlemania, the perfect opportunity to add more drama to the match by making a quick cover and then a kickout (a la Angle-HBK WM21 and Rock-Hogan WM18).

Man, Batista/Taker should have been the main event. That was the match that had the crowds eating out of their hands (metaphorically speaking)

Pert of chemistry has to do with playing the audience's expectations. And the poor buildup to this match meant that there was no universal expectation. They weren't bitter rivals, they were... two guys who sorta seem to like each other, but not really, plus Michaels wants the belt again, and they're tag team champions but not really friends, and Michaels is a good guy but Cena is a good guy too...

That's why build is important to chemistry. Chemistry isn't just how two guys relate to each other, it's how the match as a whole goes down with the audience. The live audience cannot be ignored. Think of how much value is place on home-field advantage in team sports. Take a look at the "crowd made the match" thread. Hogan and the Rock had very little chemistry of their own in regards to each other; it was how they played off of the audience that gave it to them.