WWE's Tentative WM plans (Spoilers)
 

Thoughts?




I know that this is purely rumor right now, but honestly, I think that these WrestleMania plans are total shit. Batista vs. Triple H was already done, and it wasn't exactly a fucking classic. Why they would book a match like this instead of something with one of the other, better, more deserving young stars in the company is beyond me. Michaels vs. Jericho would be better. Michaels vs. Jericho vs. Triple H would be better. Why have one of Smackdown's only main event faces cross over to wrestle RAW's Triple H? It doesn't make any fucking sense when Kennedy, Jericho, Hardy, and to a lesser extent, CM Punk are all around to face him in matches that have never been done, or at least never been done well and on that scale.

Batista vs. Triple H. Jesus Christ.

Cena wins

If they want to have anyone i the ain event in 3 years when HHH is too old, they need to book Orton clean over HHH at WM....have Orton barely make it with his title to WM and beat HHH to solidify him at the top.

On Smackdown, have Flair on his magnificent run win the rumble chamber and challenge Edge for the title, and put edge over. I think those would draw decent numbers, better than HHH (Top Face) vs batista (number 5 Face i the company)

Or have Edge take taker's streak.

The majority of us want y2j vs hbk. But there are very shallow chances for this match to actually happen at Mania. Jeff vs Punk for the ECW World Heavyweight title sounds good. Kennedy vs Edge for the World Heavyweight title? they gotta have MVP vs Matt Hardy for the u.s title.

That is terrible.

Jericho vs Michaels for the WWE championship would take the show in itself, then add Edge vs Undertaker for the WHC versus his streak with edge going over.

What would Edge gain out of ending Taker's streak? it should rather be saved to give a young gun a huge push

Edge is in the right position. In the scheme of things he IS a young gun.

I don't know who'd be preferred? Please don't say Kennedy because he needs to do a lot to get back to where he was a year ago at this time.
MVP, just not the right fit and he's probably the same age as Edge. So isn't Kennedy for that matter.
You give that push to some young guy out of the gates and they'll turn into Brock Lesnar

MVP possibly?

MVP needs to prove himself still. I like him, but the problem is that a guy comes along and puts together a good uppermidcard run and is a solid US or IC champion and he's instantly pushed to the main event, the wrong way.

MVP Needs to die, also Batista should avoid the ME of Mania at all times. Triple H carried him through one once, why should he have to do it again. Orton vs. Triple H, or Triple H vs. Jericho II. That's how it should be.

Jeff Hardy should win the rumble and face Taker or Edge for the World Title at Mania.

ugh, that's ridiculous.

He's like 40.

Batista v HHH at Wrestlemania XXIV?

Never gonna happen.

Why not?

Because it doesn't have The Rock in it.

Look, all of the matches that WE want to see happen won't happen because they almost all leave out Triple H.

Jericho vs. Michaels and Taker vs. Edge seem like the 2 best main events we could have. But they don't involve Triple H. And when's the last time HHH didn't wrestle in a World Title match at Mania? Not since X-7. And Mania 24 won't be the place for the next one.

That selfish fucking prick.

Don't want to go into 'Noid mode, however, too much needs to happen for this to occur:

• Either HHH or Batista need to turn heel - not going to have another face-face ME
• HHH will need to win the Rumble to get a shot at Batista or he needs to switch to Smackdown! - He won't leave RAW
• Batista moves to RAW - too few faces left on Smackdown!
• If HHH goes into WM as Champion, then either Batista would have to lose his belt beforehand or win the Rumble - My tip is that either Jeff or Ric (as a final hurrah) will win the Rumble
• I can't see the HHH/Jeff angle finishing before the Rumble which IMO doesn't leave enough time before WM to set up a Bats feud

If it does happen, I'm concerned that the storyline will be rushed and end up being crap and they can't afford that for WM.

I'm not saying that it can't happen, just not in time for WM.

WM 23?

a WM he was eligible for I think he means

also Orton needs to go over anyone clean in the WM Main event without dropping the title before then

Point 1 - Triple H destroys Hardy at Armageddon and turns heel, probably using the sledge. Not hard at all to pull off.

2/3 - Batista moves to RAW.

4 - Batista loses the title to Edge or Taker at Armageddon, possibly through Triple H interference. Batista wins the Rumble.

5 - They'll have blow off match on RAW and they'll be done with it. Not how it SHOULD go but it's how it WILL go.

Armageddon (starting with Hunter's turn) to WrestleMania buildup is more than enough time. If you're worried about that then you should be more worried about the Elimination Chamber match at No Way Out for the other title shot.

WOW

that match is really gonna help sell those remaining tickets

All possible but:

Point 1 - are you saying that HHH wins or just destroys Hardy but Hardy wins or No Contest? 'Cause if Hardy wins that changes everything.

Points 2/3 - means one less face on Smackdown! Someone (maybe Finlay) takes on this role

Point 4 - very possible, but I don't see him winning the Rumble.

A lot of people reckon HHH is going to turn. I have no doubt that he will eventually, but I don't think right now.

Oh and Inno....SHUT THE GODDAM DOOR!!!

1 - Triple H wins then beats on Hardy. Instant heel turn, simple.

2/3 - Let's face it, SmackDown! is only there to feed to RAW anyway...

4 - Why not? He loses the title to Edge, and Vickie calls for Batista never to get a shot again. He wins, but picks Triple H instead.

I really think Flair is going to win the Rumble.

I think it would be fitting for him to win. Would not surprise me if a deal was struck with Vince for him to go out this way.

Who knows, storyline may go that he doesn't take the option to wrestle for the Championship (because he's retiring) but he passes on "the right to challenge" to HHH. In which case yeah HHH may then challenge Bats.

Flair winning is the worst possible main event. I'd rather see Khali/Hogan than Flair in the main event of WrestleMania at this point.

No. That's just it. Flair wins the Rumble but won't be in the ME at WM. He passes that right on to someone else e.g. HHH

Could be worse. Could be Hogan vs Undertaker... with Hogan going over this time. :shifty:

So basically waste the buildup of the Rumble winner?

Hey. Not saying it's great. But it's an angle that hasn't been done for a long time.

Obviously Ric and Vince had to come to some sort of arrangement for how Ric was going to retire. NO WAY was he going to win the WWE/WHC belts again.

This may be the compromise that was reached.

I just don't know how else Flair is going to go out on a high. This way, he goes out the Rumble winner, he'll be happy with that, and then because they're friends he gives HHH the #1 contender right. Who knows, story may go that Flair wants to ME WM but HHH says he shouldn't bother (because he's retiring) and he should give the right to him. Maybe they feud a bit, HHH turns heel and challenges Ric to a "fight for the right" match which becomes Ric's retirement match.

So now you're saying not have the Rumble winner main event WrestleMania? Or are you saying do it at No Way Out and then only have one month for the build to BOTH titles?

Either way your buildup time argument is out the window.

With the return of Evolution last night, I've been trying to figure out how Flair is going to go out.

Now that someone has suggested that Bats v HHH at WM is a good chance, I'm trying to fit Flair in the picture somewhere.

There can be no denying that Flair will have to go out in a big way - somehow. I'm figuring that WM would be his choice, but it won't be in a title match. Next best option - Rumble winner - number 1 entrant.

Who knows, after he wins, maybe HHH comes out to congratulate Flair, turns on him (forces him into retirement with the help of sledgey) and Bats comes out for the save.

Wow those plans fucking suck.

They do suck. I don't want to believe it

Sounds awful.

You had to figure they'd probably use Bats and HHH in the main events. I guess the only plus side would be that they'll kill two birds with one stone.
I'd rather see them do HHH vs Hardy and Edge vs Taker but then again when's the last time I got what I want for a Wrestlemania main event?

Hey. I agree that the plan I outlined sucks, but really, no matter what they do with Flair (and they will have to do something), it is going to suck.

I'm just trying to think what they are going to do - doesn't mean that I'm going to like it.

I wouldn't be shocked if one event was an Evolution fatal four way

I was saying the reported WWE plans suck.

But I believe the WWE should do something BIG with Ric Flair. I would have had Ric Flair defeat Randy Orton for the WWE title on Monday Night RAW and cruise into WrestleMania 24 as THE CHAMP... facing off with a young stud in the main event (Jeff Hardy since he's also North Carolinian & over as fuck). I'd have Ric Flair cut a promo about everyone he's defeated in his career and everything he's done in his career earlier in the show. Then come the BIG time Main Event have Flair job and then say 'to be the MAN you have got to beat the MAN' and Jeff Hardy, YOU. ARE. NOW. the MAN!" Cue emotional hug between the two Flair walks out of the ring & thru the curtain. Then play Jeff Hardy music, a few poses on the ropes with Jim Ross screaming, "The Jeff Hardy ERA has begun and it ain't made of chocolate folks!"

Whatever the WWE come up with for Flair's retirement match it's NOT going to involve him winning over some jobber.

HHH will be involved, maybe all of Evolution, maybe HBK.

Whatever it is, chances are it's going to suck big-time and as usual we'll just have to accept it.

Ideal Card (in my mind):
Triple H vs. Randy Orton (WWE Title)
Edge vs. The Undertaker (World Title)
CM Punk (ECW Title) vs. Jeff Hardy (Rumble Winner)
Cody Rhodes vs. Ric Flair (Steel Cage)
Vince McMahon/The Great Khali/Umaga vs. Hornswoggle/Finlay/Bobby Lashley
Chris Jericho/Shawn Michaels vs. Ken Kennedy/DH Smith
MITB (Santino vs. Carlito vs. Eljiah Burke vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. John Morrison vs. MVP)

1. Like fuck they are going to waste the Rumble match on the ECW Championship.
2. CAWdy Rhodes vs. RIC FUCKING FLAIR in Flair's RETIREMENT MATCH? Are you fucking nuts? CAWdy needs like 500 more experience points before he can even come CLOSE to being in a Wrestlemania match against Ric Flair. Hell, I'd rather take 'Noid's booking of a Venis/Flair Mania match over that pile of shit.
3. HBK being wasted in a tag match? Against DH SMITH of all people?
4. Why have a MITB with all heels?

KOOS makes strong points.

MVP is literally only days older than Edge. Point granted, Edge isn't a spring chicken any more, but let's keep in scope that it's not exactly a Dancin' Dave type situation.

REAL age doesn't matter. It's TV age that matters in wrestling.

I.E. Diamond Dallas Page was nearly 40 when he started performing as a wrestler, but he may as well have been 22 because nobody knew him. On the flipside, someone like Lex Luger was younger than DDP in real life, but much, much older as a wrestler because he'd been on TV for years and years.

When I talk about young wrestlers, I mean guys like Edge, MVP, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, even Kane for that matter. They're all "young" in the fact that they are not and have never been regular main eventers (Edge is barely 2 years old in this thinking). Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, they've all been main eventing for years.

It's like Bradshaw. He's been around the wrestling industry for years as part of tag teams, but when he became JBL, he may as well have been a fresh debuting wrestler right out of OVW. He was a young star again. Unfortunately, his character aged rapidly.

My predicted Mania card at this point would be:

WWE Championship Elimination Match: Randy Orton (c) vs. Batista vs. Ric Flair vs. Triple H

Winner and STILL Champion: Randy Orton

World Heavyweight Championship: Edge (c) vs. Undertaker

Winner and NEW Champion: The Undertaker

ECW Championship: CM Punk (c) vs. Shelton Benjamin

Winner and STILL Champion: CM Punk

US Championship: MVP (c) vs. Matt Hardy

Winner and NEW Champion: Matt Hardy

Women's Championship: Beth Phoenix (c) vs. Candice Michelle

Winner and NEW Champion: Candice Michelle

MITB: Rey Mysterio vs. John Morrison vs. Mr. Kennedy vs. Kane vs. Jeff Hardy vs. Carlito

Winner: Jeff Hardy

Special Referee: Hornswoggle: Finlay & Shane McMahon vs. Umaga & Mr. McMahon (I liked the tag idea that St. Jimmy had, since I don't think Finlay vs. Vince one on one would be too appealing to many fans)

Winners: Finlay & Shane McMahon as the 'Swog shows his true colors and goes back with Finlay for good.

Grudge Matches
Hulk Hogan vs. Great Khali

Winner: Hulk Hogan

Chris Jericho vs. JBL

Winner: Chris Jericho

Shawn Michaels vs. Lashley - It's set-up on RAW in a Kennedy/HBK rematch, Lashley goes to spear Kennedy (after he returns earlier in the night, and reminding the fans what Kennedy did to him), misses the spear, and hits HBK instead. HBK is on Lashley's back about what he did, and how he costed him his rematch. Lashley apologizes for about 3 weeks. They team up on RAW a few times and everything seems fine between them after HBK gained his trust. At the Rumble, HBK eliminates Lashley, and then signals "Hey, I did what I had to do". Lashley's infuriated, runs back in the ring and eliminates HBK, and bloodies him, and saying something like "I won't be sorry for this beating".

Lashley's promo (hopefully he can pull it off) could be explaining how he snapped at the Royal Rumble, because for weeks he tried to get the approval of Shawn Michaels, and only for him to turn his back on him at the Rumble. He states he needs to make an impact rather than kiss a "has-beens" ass, etc. So I guess you would then have Lashley (heel) vs. HBK.

Winner: Shawn Michaels

The only thing I've noticed about the Past WM's is how they try to relive a moment that was 20 years ago. (i.e. Kane Slamming Kahli like Hogan did Andre) and just making repeats. If that's the case, they should throw some kind of WWE/WHC title tournament just like WM 4, But throw Hardy and MVP/Kennedy/ or another Top Mid Card wrestler to show that anything could happen....but probably won't.

I applaud you for this brilliant fucking card. Absolutley perfect. The main event is a fucking SWEET idea, it accomplishes so many things!

1. It makes Ric Flair go out on a high note, the biggest match of his career!
2. You can put either Randy Orton or Batista over making them the definite "next big thing".
3. It's a match that Triple H adds a lot to, and at the same time doesn't get the spotlight.

I really want The Undertaker to have a bad ass long title reign so I hope to god they have him go over Edge.

The ECW title match is right on, and puts Punk over big.

US Championship is a must, and it will be a great moment for Hardy.

Womens title is a great choice, pretty much the choice.

The MITB Ladder Match is perfect.
The match with Finlay and Shane vs Vince and Umaga seems like a good idea. If they can make a new spark for Vince and Shane.

JBL vs Jericho is another great idea that I think will happen.
Hogan vs Khali is a great possibility, especially if Hogan gets a divorce.
Lashley vs Michaels is a good use of both guys and would be a strong match. Definitely time for Michaels to rake in a big win at Wrestlemania.

I actually don't mind of the idea of the Evolution Fatal Fourway, but it should NOT be the main event. Ric Flair is not believable as a WrestleMania headliner, as legendary as he is. The feud is also big enough to take place somewhere else on the card, and serve as its own selling point.

Randy Orton going over in that match would be the smartest booking, because Orton is the youngest of the four, and presumingly going to have the longest career. The faces could also celebrate with Ric Flair as Randy Orton stands on the stage looking down at them like a cock, having ended Ric Flair's career. The Flair retirement angle also ends on the note of irony that the man who defeated Ric Flair in this arc of his career was also the first that Flair defeated.

Triple H vs. Batista for the WWE Championship is just an awful idea for the main event. The only interesting thing about it is that Batista has never been WWE Champion, and I wonder if they would play that up. The shit unfortunately completes drowns out that small sense of curiosity.

Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho for the WWE Championship should be the main event. No exceptions. Not even Val Venis vs. Paul London. Jericho beats Orton via disqualification at Armageddon, Vince says he needs to earn his spot again, Jericho wins the Rumble, HBK wins the WWE Title at No Way Out. Main event set.

Edge vs. The Undertaker should NOT be streak vs. streak. Edge fucking lost at WrestleMania last year. If they do the match, and they probably will, then it should really all be about The Undertaker looking for revenge on Edge. Personally, I'd go with Mr. Kennedy challenging for the World Heavyweight Championship, though. He's actually a star that is relevant for the future, and he and Edge have unfinished business stemming from WrestleMania the previous year, where Kennedy ended Edge's Mania streak.

Fuck, I'd even take Edge vs. Rey Mysterio over Edge vs. Taker.

As far as the ECW Championship Match goes, I'm beginning to really like the idea of CM Punk vs. Kane. The two have a partnership going on ECW way, and I could easily see that dissolving, with Kane deciding he wants the ECW Title. I also wouldn't mind it if they threw enough money RVD's way to have him feud with Punk in the craved "straight edge vs. stoner" feud. Continue building Shelton Benjamin, and by the time WrestleMania arrives, you could have CM Punk vs. Kane vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Shelton Benjamin in a pretty fucking awesome first (and possibly last) WrestleMania defence for the ECW Title. It'd be No DQ by default, and you can have a ladder make some appearances.

I wish it would happen way different than those plans. I want to see Hardy go over HHH and Kennedy to go over HBK and have Jericho win the title from Orton at armageddon.

Hardy then faces Jericho with Jericho going over at the rumble, while Orton wins the rumble. The Undertaker, who has gotten a title shot for the WHC at the rumble, wins to become the new WHC. Orton then challenges Taker to a title match for the WHC at WM. At Raw the next night, we have Kennedy begin a short fued with Jericho (imagine the promos).

Meanwhile, we have RAW get the elimination chamber match, with HBK, HHH, Umaga, Cena, and a couple other stars at NWO. HBK goes over here, earning a title shot against the WWE champion. Jericho goes over Kennedy, maybe with interference from HBK (hinting back to their current fued and showing that he wants a peice of Jericho for reasons other than winning the EC).

This gives us HBK vs Jericho (WWE champ) and Randy Orton vs The Undertaker (WHC Champ). Either man in the WWE title match can win as far as I care, I think both would be great champs right now. In the WHC match, have Orton go over Taker, having played up his Legend Killer gimmick for this one, ending Takers streak. Coincidentally, isn't Takers streak 13-0? If so, it could be like 13 being an unlucky number, strikes and ends his streak, and it serves as a kind of passing-the-torch (even though we saw this theme recently as well) from The Phenom to The Legend Killer.

That whole scenario would be gold IMO.

The only way I'd want to see Hogan vs. Austin, is if it happens one of two ways:

1) Vince confronts Hogan in the ring, and talks to Hogan about how they have these Linda bitches in their lives that are "all about the monnnnnnnaaaaaayyy!" Vince suggests that "brothers" have to look after each other. Hogan then smiles at Vince, and shakes his hand, and you have Vince claiming that Hulkamania is running wild through the church of McMahonism. Then the glass shatters, and bam, match set.

2) Hogan comes out, does his "Watcha gonna do, brother?!?!" crap, and Austin comes out, is all unimpressed, and makes Hogan look like the anachronism he is.

I'd really prefer the first one, although it is unlikely with American Gladiators probably not wanting their host to become a bad guy in the industry he is famous for performing in. I think an angle where Austin is the blue collar guy, and Hogan is the rich sell-out would just be so much more natural for both of them. Oh, and Austin must go over.

With Hogan's current situation, he's more like to do the job, and probably bend to the WWE's will, but it's still a very doubtful situation. Just because Hogan aligns himself with McMahon, would not mean that you could not have Hogan get his fair share of sympathy in the feud. Fuck, I'd love a segment where Austin goes and visits Linda and Brooke at their mansion, and is chatting up Linda as they sit by a pool. Austin then stops asking Linda her plans for the night, and starts talking about Brooke, making Linda feel awkward (purposely), as Hogan is standing in the ring looking at the titantron in tears.

Brooke can get out of the pool, and she can cast away all shyness in front of Austin, and Steve makes jokes about "making her sing." Linda feels awkard, Hogan is devasted, and Brooke is being a slut. Austin can then beat up Hogan's butler, and toss him in the pool, or something.

That kind of angle would be great, in my opinion. It gets people talking, and it'd be in the same vein as something from the Attitude era. Oh, and Austin must go over. You can then do a Backlash tag match with Austin teaming up with Finlay against Hogan & McMahon.

Cool ideas Alienoid. :cool:

One scenario I was thinking about (as it relates to Hogan/Austin), was having a "worked shoot" finish for their ending at Mania.

For example - have NEITHER man do the job at Mania. After a fairly long match, Austin hits the stunner.....Hogan kicks out. A few minutes later, Hogan hits the leg drop.....Austin kicks out. This sequence happens once more. Austin and Hogan then look at each other, and then look at the back....and start shoving each other. Austin then leaves the ring, grabs a mic, and cuts a shoot promo on Hogan on how he's selfish, etc. Hogan grabs a mic and rips on Austin as well. Finally, numerous officials come from the back and stop the happenings.

It wouldn't be the greatest ending, but....

1) Neither man has to crush their ego's by jobbing
2) It would be completely surreal to not only see Austin/Hogan, but to see Austin cutting a shoot promo on Hogan at WRESTLEMANIA right after their match! (with Hogan doing the same).

Fans could then wonder if the actual thing was a work or a shoot (and if Austin/Hogan had a rematch, the interest surrounding this could be even bigger than the original match).

You'd have to be very careful with a shoot ending like that, because it could make the business look fake, and fans might get pissed off, rather than further invested. There'd be a way to do it effectively, but I'm not sure if I'd trust the WWE.

I'm personally all for putting Austin over, and just promoting American Gladiators for Hogan, and throwing enough cash his way so he doesn't suffer too much in his divorce. But, if I did have to work out a way to protect both men, I'd have Vince McMahon come out, and stop the match just as both men have kicked out of each other's finishing moves. Vince rips into both men, talking about how neither of them is the attraction of WrestleMania, he is, and he's stopping this match, because he can do whatever he likes. You can then have Bret Hart (or Finlay if you can't get Hart) appear behind Vince, then slug him, toss him into the ring, as the faces beat the crap out of him. Austin can give him a Stunner, Hogan a Leg Drop, and then as Austin is drinking beers and Hogan is doing his posing, Bret Hart can finally get Vince McMahon in the Sharpshooter.

You can then have Austin and Hogan stare-down, and basically have them express that it isn't over, and they will get a finish to their match at some point.

:heart:

My Wrestlemania card.

Partbased on current plans, part based on likely WWE moves, capped off with my own personal preference given the options.
Also took one or two liberties



United States Title Match
MVP(c) vs Matt Hardy

WWE/World Tag Team Title Match
The Major Brothers(Team Edge) (c) vs London and Kendrick

Money in The Bank Ladder Match
Shelton Benjamin vs Rey Mysterio vs Kane vs Bobby Lashley vs John Morrison vs Carlito vs Santino Marella vs Finlay

Grudge Match:
JBL vs Chris Jericho

ECW Championship
Extreme Rules
CM Punk vs Rob Van Dam

Interpromotional Match:
Batista vs Randy Orton

Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair

Pipers Pit:
Stone Cold Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan
(if we're never gonna get the mania match, they should at least do a confrontation)

World Heavyweight Championship
Streak vs Streak
Edge (c) vs Undertaker

Vince McMahon and IC champion Mr. Kennedy vs Shane McMahon and Mick Foley accompanied by Hornswaggle
Yes, I'd make it a big angle involving Kennedy being Vince's real illegitimate child, or so we think.

WWE Championship
Jeff Hardy vs HHH

Not sure who I'd have be champ here. It'd be easier for Jeff to win the title at rumble and HHH win the rumble or elimination chamber. But I think it'd be better to have Jeff get screwed by Trips in a heel turn at the Rumble, go on to win the title off Orton in a Triple Threat at No Way Out and Jeff pull of a big win in the elimination chamber to challenge him for it.