Why can't I hate on Beniot's boring ass?
 

Everyone else gets to crap on HHH, why can't I crap on Beniot, no mater how unpopular my opinion is. BTW, Raw ratings are going to go way down anything how.

I disagree. They may not go 'up', but I highly doubt that they will go 'way down'. The only thing that will go 'way down', is you on your boyfriend.

btw, last week raw had a rating of 3.8. I expect tomorrow to either hold that, or go up because everyone wants to know what happened at Wrestlemania, week after next is when it will start to fall.

Because Benoit is popular, so your disagreement with the norm makes people want to flame you. You also remind people of Dark Kane for ripping a very athletically talented technical wrestler. Even though you have a valid excuse (he's boring... and I can see where you might say that), most people will think that you suck anyway. Therefore, while you are free to say you hate him, everyone else is free to say they hate you for hating him, because most people love him.

There, I managed to be sarcastic and serious and provide a real reason at the same time. ;)

lol

Nice, a gay joke, like that hurts my feelings.

Probably because you are still 13, live with mom and dad, and have been "held back" in a couple of grades???????

Learn how to use spell check, for starters..........

2nd, Yes, I agree with you, your opinion means absolutely nothing to me.

3rd, BENOIT, has been, and is the current shit....

Man That Was Great.............

Oh, yeah, Benoit's dull and boring, because God knows the ability to cut a promo is the only thing that makes a wrestler any good. I mean, that's why Bret Hart (and the rest of the Hart Foundation for that matter, except Owen), Terry Funk, Harley Race, Rey Mysterio Jr., Andre the Giant, Big Van Vader, Rob Van Dam, Jimmy Snuka, and countless others all got over; based on their mic skills, not on anything else they ever did. Right?

I mean, in the past 14 months, Benoit's had three matches that the crowd (the marks, mind you, who make up a vast majority of the viewing audience) have given him a standing ovation simply for being that good. I can't think off the top of my head any other wrestler that's even had one match (that wasn't in their hometown) get a genuine standing O.

So the guy can't cut a promo. Then DON'T GIVE HIM PROMO SEGMENTS! Just because he doesn't do all the soap opera circus bullshit WWE is so keen on doesn't make him a boring wrestler.

Yeah I understand that, but still my last thread on the same topic got deleted. I'm just saying that my opinion should be just as valid as anyone else and I should get one thread to voice my opinion. Its not like I'm making a million threads about hating Beniot, and wishing all sort of harm to him and nasty death. I just want to say I hate him and I think WWE made a bad desision.

<font color=teal>BDC is in college, bigpoppapump.</font>

You can "hate" on him all you like, it's a free world (well, most of it)

BDC and Champion of Europa have proven themselves to be homosexuals.

To say that Benoit is 'boring' and will not draw is abusrd. Isn't it even remotely possible that Benoit will entertain the fans by being a FIGHTING champion?....a champion that consistently puts on great matches?

Whaddya know. The other thread DID get deleted. Well, that's a bit unfair IMO, but I'm not a mod, so whatever.

Firstly, RVD can cut a decent promo. And as for everyone but RVD and Rey, they are all old school wrestlers, and the game has changed alot from their days. Beniot would have made a great champ in their day. Also have any of those guy sold out the Silverdome....who did that...yeah thats right, Hogan did. The worst wrestler ever. But by and large the only time Beniot puts on good matches is at ppvs. On regular tv, he sucks. If he only wants to pull out the stops one a month, why should he be champion. Yes I know the same can be said for a lot of others, and guess what, I agree with it on them too. Plus WWE hasn't been about wrestling since wrestlemainia one, it is about the soap opera circus bullshit.

As for Invisible and you other jobbers, get over 500 postes, then you can talk shit on me.

BigPoppaPump, I'm 22 and in college. Just because I don't spell check and have good grammar on an internet wrestling board, don't mean I'm an idiot 13 year old. And if my opinion means nothing to you, why are you replying?

<font color=969696>Benoit is the man.</font>

ok ok BDC, post count is BULLSHIT you know that, everyone knows that, everyone has an opinion and they can express it freely, this IS a Discussion Forum if you haven't noticed.

But he doesn't. Besides ppvs, when is the last time beniot has put on a truely great preformance in the ring. And don't give me that "how can anyone have a good match in 5 minutes" bullshi</>t. There have been some great 5 minute matches. He has been in some great 5 minute matches, but just not recently. It is all punch, chop, chop, chop, rolling german to rolling german to rolling german, flyinghead butt, attempted crossface, but opponet roles free, opponet gets in some offence, then crossface out of nowhere, and then Beniot wins. That is all the matches I've seen from him since he came back from surgery.

Everyone says that

Hey when all they do is just flame while not really adding anything to the discussion, then their opnion is bullshi</>t as well. So if all they are going to do is call me gay, and bring out a bullshi</>t-o-meter, then yes, post counts matter.

Personally, I can't think of one good 5-minute match, much less a great one. As for Benoit's matches being predicatble, what about the Rock? Or Rob Van Dam? Or any number or wrestlers with "trademark spots" that they use in every match? Your whole point of singling out Benoit for his weak TV matches is horseshit, because that's pretty much what EVERY wrestler's TV performances are.

His match with Shawn on RAW was incredible, even if the ending pissed people off. His match with Brock was good in december too. And having a match only last 5 minutes is a valid excuse for it not being great, so don't try and say it isn't. Matches are capable of being good in 5 minutes. But you will never see a 5star classic match that only lasts 5 minutes? What do you mean besides PPV's? Thats kind of a stupid thing to say...

What my man said here.

I understand where BDC is coming from, and you all need to lay off him. I know he's a brash muthasucka, but he's a [i]great[i] brash muthasucka.

I would just like to take this opportunity to say that I marked like the biggest bitch ever when Benoit won the title tonight. :love:

Trademark spots, and repeative matches are very different. For some good, great less than five minute tv matchs, take at look at like Jericho's WCW years, RVD when he first came to WWE, Cena, Brock, Orton is fairly decent even though I hate him for completely different reason. Last year, even the ladies in the women's div were putting on some soild 5 minute matches, Jazz is a hell of a worker. Storm is good when ever he isn't jobbing.

The thing with Beniot is that he only used 4 moves, maybe 5 during any tv match, and always in the same order. Again, I'm not just singling him out for doing this, but besides wrestling, he can't cut a promo to save his life. At least the Rock can, at least RVD can, at least Jericho can, at least HHH could, at least Cena can.

Beniot is suppose to be the man in the ring, and when he is boring as hell, with no other redeming quilities why should he get the belt. I know he has worked his ass off to get where he is, but so have a lot of other guys in the locker room. I'm singling Beniot out because he is suppose to entertain with every match, that is his claim to fame, and he hasn't lately.

Oh, and I'm not trying to rip on BDC, because he does have some pretty valid points. I just so happen to disagree with him on most levels.

True, in most instances, sports-entertainment massively out-draws purist wrestling. I'll freely admit that, champion or not, Benoit's probably never going to bring in the same numbers as Ausin or Rocky. But the fact remains, he's far and away the most over guy on Raw right now (barring the Rock and Foley), and if WWE really is supposedly going to adopt a more submission-based psyschology heavy style, there's really no one better to lead the way than him.

And yeah, Benoit's TV matches largely consist of the same spots repeatedly, but like I said before, that applies to just about the entire WWE roster. And anyways, it's getting over pretty huge. The surprise pop he gets for the Crossface is starting to get a lot like the way the crowd popped when DDP hit the Diamond Cutter. The Rolling Germans are getting pretty over, too. Still, it would be nice if he'd incorporate more of his moveset into the regular matches (like the Northern Lights or that AWESOME Powerbomb he does every once in a blue moon)

I haven't seen him in a really good, hell even a decent match in such a long time that wasn't a ppv. I've seen what he did in ECW and WCW, I know if anyone can put on a good 5 minute match, it should be him. He has gone down to a boring ass forumla of a match.

What about that series of matches with Angle on SD? Just about all of those were PPV-quality. Same with the Double-Header in December against Cena and Brock, and his recent Raw matches against Flair and Michaels. Yeah, the quick 5-minute matches are awfully formulaic, but if you're just saying that ALL of his TV matches have sucked, you must not have been watching a lot of them.

Benoit rules. Sure he has no charisma and cut a good promo if his life depended on it but he is one of the best wrestler the WWE has.

With the exception to Angle and Guerrero, no one can come to close to being as technically sound as him

Never, ever compare anything to the Diamond Cutter, that is simply the most amazing finisher ever. The Diamond cutter makes everything else look like freshly pooped crap on week old crap. The diamond cutter was quick, agile, explosive, and at times awe-isnpiring. It could be incredably discrutive and hit from nowhere. He could do it in the middle of the ring, BANG, top rope, BANG, damn near brake Tank Abbot's neck, BANG, as his opponet is beating the shi</>t out of him, BANG, while you are being intamite with your wife, BANG, you are enjoying a nice pepsi, BANG diamond cutter. The crossface looks all clumsy and crappy when compared to the diamond cutter. Plus, a good impact finisher looks better than any submission (though submission have a fair more effective psychological shock which is lost to most marks).

I enjoy a good psychological match more than most anyone, but Beniot is to forumlamatic, Rhyno has a better psychological game in 5 minutes that Beniot does in 10.

Post counts don't matter... The Maturity of the poster, that matters, it's fine, I don't hold anything you said against you OTHER than you saying post count is important.

Yeah, those were all Angle. If Beniot isn't again Angle (and to lesser exent Brock or maybe even Cena), he sucks for 5 minutes.

And post count is important. That and rep.

Sloppy-looking or not, the Crosface is still massively over as a finisher, and like the Diamond Cutter, he can hit it out of just about anything and the crowd will give a monster pop. That was the point I was getting at. (BTW, the Diamond Cutter was easily one of my favorite finishers)

Brock, Regal (when he is healthy), Stinko Malenko (I've been watching to much Jericho tapes lately), speaking of which, Jericho, Storm, I bet Bret could too. Um, about a dozen indy wrestlers probably could as well. Beniot isn't all that special, he is just a glorified indy champ.

Please. For half of those matches, Benoit was the dominant wrestler in them (although I'll admit the better ones were with Angle on top) You can't just discount the guy having an awesome match just because he had a good opponent.

Yeah, but outside the rolling germans, he never works the neck.

Yeah, but when they need a good opponent you can.

Also there is the fact that there is no sizzle or spice to his moves, they are just dry and machenical.

The only indy wrestlers I can think of that even come close to Benoit are Jerry Lynn and Teddy Hart (and occasionally Christopher Daniels; I don't count Juvi because he was already big-time in WCW and AAA) Most other indy wrestlers just find newer and more complicated ways to drop each other on their heads and ruin their careers, with little to no psychology at all.

Yeah, and I suppose that the only reason that the A-Train mini-feud got any reaction was because the Wookie was such a great worker.

What does that have to do with being over?

You see there, I think he is a decent worker, and I'm not just saying this to bash beniot, rather to give Albert some credit. For a 350lb man he can move around and wrestle some, he is no 5 star worker, but he is no lazy ass Bigshow/Kevin Nash. Besides for Kane, and sometime Taker and of course Lesnar, Albert/A-Train/Wookie is one of the best bigmen in the WWE today.

You know, all this is simply a matter of personal preferance, BDC has decided that he thinks Benoit is overrated and he in totally picking apart what he perceives to be his faults. Since this is a message board, he is allowed to do this and there is nothing wrong with that. The only thing is nearly everyone disagrees with him on this matter, but he realizes that and doesn't really care. At least he's not being an idiot about his opinion and is trying tp prove his point, although personally i disagree and think he is being way too harsh on Benoit.

Nothing, but his finisher attack the neck, his entire match should be attacking the neck and arms of his opponent, instead of that chopping, low drop kick to the knee bullshit, that is wasted motion. If he was such a good techical wrestler he would know that.

Thank you, and for that last time I used to like Benoit before he got boring. I was even going to get him to sign my Sabu action figure when Beniot came to town once, but then it was like an hour drive to get to the arena they were selling the tickets at and I could either afford ticket to Backlash or afford gas to Kemper and get crappy nose bleed tickets and a Chris Beniot signed Sabu action figure, I went with the floor seats.

I agree, but I'm saying his feud with Benoit was a lot better than his usual stuff, mainly due to Benoit. I know that's kind of hypocritical of me for saying that after what I said earlier, but I do consider Benoit in a much higher caliber than A-Train.

Anyways, I'm going to bed. Shall we pick up where we left off tomorrow?

Look at the Crossface a little more closely (at least, the original version) Most of the time, he's not only wrenching back on the neck, but also digging his fingers into the opponent's eyes or mashing in on his nose. I don't know if you've ever been put into that sort of move, but it hurts like ever-loving hell. You'd probably want to tap out, too, previous neck-work or not.

Thought I'd make that point before turning in.

Yeah, whatever, it never hurts to take out extra insurance, plus the neck is so easy to target, what with clothelines, suplexes, neckbreakers, neckwrenches, yada yada yada.

Well, BDC then you would say that his matches are boring because he always attacks the neck wouldn't you? You're looking into this too much IMO.

I gotta agree with BDC for the most part. Benoit is a great wrestler but he has no charisma and his entire character just bores the hell out of me.

[QUOTE=Nowhere Man]
I mean, in the past 14 months, Benoit's had three matches that the crowd (the marks, mind you, who make up a vast majority of the viewing audience) have given him a standing ovation simply for being that good. I can't think off the top of my head any other wrestler that's even had one match (that wasn't in their hometown) get a genuine standing O.
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Edge & Christian & Hardyz after their No Mercy Ladder match in 99.
Got a standing ovation on the night, then a few minutes standing ovation on Raw the night after.
Shits all over Benoit :p

By the way, this was the 11th Wrestlemania Ive seen and its up there as one of the most disappointing ever :'(

Hi people, im new here and i was just searching through this thread and ahd to reply to it.
Basically, put yourself in benoit's position for a second BDC, youve been working in the business for 18 years or so and you finally get a wwe title and finally you get what youve worked for all your life, after countless tries and finally you get there and now all of a sudden you get critics like you shitting on all those efforts.Those are just minor faults your pointing out which are no different to any other wrestler in the wwe at the mo, so why are you singling out someone who's worked for a long-ass time in the business put his heart and life into it and not singling out someone like,i dunno erm The big show?I respect you have a right to your opinion, but i think the majority along with me think your opinion on benoit is a pile of bullshit.
Btw i also thought wrestlemania was a dissapointment, besides the main event and eddie vs angle.

Post count is not important, it just shows who's been a geek for longer.

Benoit's gimmick is that he's a pitbull or a "wolverine", and his 5 minute matches are generally solid, so shut the hell up. The crowd pops for his spots, he bumps fr guys and makes them look good and always gets a big pop for the crossface. You sir, are a wad.

I wonder if after 18 years in the game working his ass off Benoit is even mildly disappointed about the belt he won ... all those years of graft & he wins a crappy old WCW belt that Booker T won 5 times & even Scott Steiner held .....

Plus he already techincally held it in WCW...

I thought that aswell that he had already won it in wcw, thats the tone thing i had against that storyline, i hated it when he came to raw cos i wanted him to wint he ACTUAL wwe title but they had to degrade him and give him the title he's already won before instead of winning the bigger won(even if it is on a show thats had msot of its roster stripped, kinda ironic thats the show that the real wwe title is on!)but i still think it was good he won it, especially considering it was against hhh/at mania and then it had eddie n benoit at the end of the show with the titles its about time he had a main event push, the title was just a bonus and fully deserved in my view...

David Arquette, Vince Russo?

I like Benoit, but I haven't really seen him at all lately as I'm just starting to get into wrestling again. Why I chose now... I've got no clue.

<font color=goldenrod>Benoit > Most

That is all.</font>

Hey, remeber earlier when I said ratings would suck with Beniot as champion?

:|, "suplexes and clothelines", lol have you ever seen a Benoit Clothesline, it's pretty damned vicious. His whole gimmick is he's insanely stiff and hits you hard with everything no matter what. His moves need no sizzle and spice because no matter what he does, he hurts you. Though he should add the powerbomb back to his repertoire, it was awesome when he did it.

4.0= better than the shit they've pulled in for a while. And believe me, it's gonna get a WHOLE LOT WORSE before it gets better.

-edit- plus when your lord and savior HHH was champ, I didn't see ratings exactly go through the roof.

Nice way not to pay attention dale, idiot.

Now this isn't against Beniot, but Face champions suck as well, unless there like Hogan or something and take the world by storm.

I paid attention, you were saying Benoit is boring and his moves are mechanical and you liked him back in the day but now you don't. I'm telling you he isn't boring and he has good moves numbnuts.

Everyone else gets to crap on Triple H because he got so fat as of late, and very very slow. Benoit is a hell of an athlete, and he totally deserves to be Champion right now.

Hey no worries, I do like both Benoit, and HHH, but I think that he'll make a good champ.

I gotta agree with BDC for the most part. I'm not really a Benoit fan. I'll give him credit that he is definitely gifted in the ring, but thats all he is. This is sports entertainment, and Benoit does not have the entertainment factor. Unlike most other stars, when his music plays, he just walks to the ring and waits for opponent. Also as a face he is dull, usually a face does something to get crowd reaction such as a hometown mention pop, and dealing with authority. I will admit he did good against Heyman in the beginning of the year, but that was mostly Cena that did the entertaining work there.

I was waiting for BDC to point the ratings out when i saw it on tpww. But er, it doesn't really prove anything considering yes the ratings maybe poor, but look at the whole post and itll say they have gone up so what point are you tryna prove? :shifty:
And benoit is not boring, his match was alot better than most of the other matches at mania the other night and he was one of the only few that was over with the crowd, so i can't really see where your coming from.You maybe not entertained by him, but the whole crowd were....

eddie guerero got a standing O as a heel after jobbing to edge a couple of years ago. what is boring to me about chris benoit is that every time he has a match, I know before hand that it is going to end in the cross face. thats how all his matches end. i have an ameteur wrestling background, myself and i appreciate his skills and his matches are among the best. but its always all about the crippler cross face, and that is boring.
also, given the fact that he cannot cut a promo, there is going to be a disconnect between him and the fans. personally, i think his character should be a sadistic heel rather than a centimental face.

that would be great to see. but all your going to see ( on tv anyways) is a series of meaningless tag matches.
.........because wwe sucks!

amen, brother. finally, the truth!!!

i disagree. ric flair, shawn micheals, eddie guerero, and tejiri, to name a few, all put on great tv matches and they are not always predictable.

If I'm not mistaken, most of the time, When they talk about the Crossface, they always talk about his oppenent shoulder, in which, you pretty much see Beniot do Shoulder Breakers, Rams his Oppenents arm into the Steel Ring Post among others