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Old 03-15-2004, 12:32 AM   #1
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Why can't I hate on Beniot's boring ass?
Everyone else gets to crap on HHH, why can't I crap on Beniot, no mater how unpopular my opinion is. BTW, Raw ratings are going to go way down anything how.
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:35 AM   #2
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Now that Benoit is the World Champion, wrestling seems to have lost its meaning.
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:35 AM   #3
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Raw ratings are going to go way down anything how.
I disagree. They may not go 'up', but I highly doubt that they will go 'way down'. The only thing that will go 'way down', is you on your boyfriend.
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:36 AM   #4
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btw, last week raw had a rating of 3.8. I expect tomorrow to either hold that, or go up because everyone wants to know what happened at Wrestlemania, week after next is when it will start to fall.
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Everyone else gets to crap on HHH, why can't I crap on Beniot, no mater how unpopular my opinion is. BTW, Raw ratings are going to go way down anything how.
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Because Benoit is popular, so your disagreement with the norm makes people want to flame you. You also remind people of Dark Kane for ripping a very athletically talented technical wrestler. Even though you have a valid excuse (he's boring... and I can see where you might say that), most people will think that you suck anyway. Therefore, while you are free to say you hate him, everyone else is free to say they hate you for hating him, because most people love him.

There, I managed to be sarcastic and serious and provide a real reason at the same time.
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I disagree. They may not go 'up', but I highly doubt that they will go 'way down'. The only thing that will go 'way down', is you on your boyfriend.
Nice, a gay joke, like that hurts my feelings.
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:37 AM   #9
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I disagree. They may not go 'up', but I highly doubt that they will go 'way down'. The only thing that will go 'way down', is you on your boyfriend.
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:38 AM   #10
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Probably because you are still 13, live with mom and dad, and have been "held back" in a couple of grades???????

Learn how to use spell check, for starters..........

2nd, Yes, I agree with you, your opinion means absolutely nothing to me.

3rd, BENOIT, has been, and is the current shit....

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Oh, yeah, Benoit's dull and boring, because God knows the ability to cut a promo is the only thing that makes a wrestler any good. I mean, that's why Bret Hart (and the rest of the Hart Foundation for that matter, except Owen), Terry Funk, Harley Race, Rey Mysterio Jr., Andre the Giant, Big Van Vader, Rob Van Dam, Jimmy Snuka, and countless others all got over; based on their mic skills, not on anything else they ever did. Right?

I mean, in the past 14 months, Benoit's had three matches that the crowd (the marks, mind you, who make up a vast majority of the viewing audience) have given him a standing ovation simply for being that good. I can't think off the top of my head any other wrestler that's even had one match (that wasn't in their hometown) get a genuine standing O.

So the guy can't cut a promo. Then DON'T GIVE HIM PROMO SEGMENTS! Just because he doesn't do all the soap opera circus bullshit WWE is so keen on doesn't make him a boring wrestler.
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:40 AM   #12
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Because Benoit is popular, so your disagreement with the norm makes people want to flame you. You also remind people of Dark Kane for ripping a very athletically talented technical wrestler. Even though you have a valid excuse (he's boring... and I can see where you might say that), most people will think that you suck anyway. Therefore, while you are free to say you hate him, everyone else is free to say they hate you for hating him, because most people love him.

There, I managed to be sarcastic and serious and provide a real reason at the same time.
Yeah I understand that, but still my last thread on the same topic got deleted. I'm just saying that my opinion should be just as valid as anyone else and I should get one thread to voice my opinion. Its not like I'm making a million threads about hating Beniot, and wishing all sort of harm to him and nasty death. I just want to say I hate him and I think WWE made a bad desision.
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BDC and Champion of Europa have proven themselves to be homosexuals.

To say that Benoit is 'boring' and will not draw is abusrd. Isn't it even remotely possible that Benoit will entertain the fans by being a FIGHTING champion?....a champion that consistently puts on great matches?
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Whaddya know. The other thread DID get deleted. Well, that's a bit unfair IMO, but I'm not a mod, so whatever.
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Oh, yeah, Benoit's dull and boring, because God knows the ability to cut a promo is the only thing that makes a wrestler any good. I mean, that's why Bret Hart (and the rest of the Hart Foundation for that matter, except Owen), Terry Funk, Harley Race, Rey Mysterio Jr., Andre the Giant, Big Van Vader, Rob Van Dam, Jimmy Snuka, and countless others all got over; based on their mic skills, not on anything else they ever did. Right?

I mean, in the past 14 months, Benoit's had three matches that the crowd (the marks, mind you, who make up a vast majority of the viewing audience) have given him a standing ovation simply for being that good. I can't think off the top of my head any other wrestler that's even had one match (that wasn't in their hometown) get a genuine standing O.

So the guy can't cut a promo. Then DON'T GIVE HIM PROMO SEGMENTS! Just because he doesn't do all the soap opera circus bullshit WWE is so keen on doesn't make him a boring wrestler.
Firstly, RVD can cut a decent promo. And as for everyone but RVD and Rey, they are all old school wrestlers, and the game has changed alot from their days. Beniot would have made a great champ in their day. Also have any of those guy sold out the Silverdome....who did that...yeah thats right, Hogan did. The worst wrestler ever. But by and large the only time Beniot puts on good matches is at ppvs. On regular tv, he sucks. If he only wants to pull out the stops one a month, why should he be champion. Yes I know the same can be said for a lot of others, and guess what, I agree with it on them too. Plus WWE hasn't been about wrestling since wrestlemainia one, it is about the soap opera circus bullshit.

As for Invisible and you other jobbers, get over 500 postes, then you can talk shit on me.

BigPoppaPump, I'm 22 and in college. Just because I don't spell check and have good grammar on an internet wrestling board, don't mean I'm an idiot 13 year old. And if my opinion means nothing to you, why are you replying?
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As for Invisible and you other jobbers, get over 500 postes, then you can talk shit on me.
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To say that Benoit is 'boring' and will not draw is abusrd. Isn't it even remotely possible that Benoit will entertain the fans by being a FIGHTING champion?....a champion that consistently puts on great matches?
But he doesn't. Besides ppvs, when is the last time beniot has put on a truely great preformance in the ring. And don't give me that "how can anyone have a good match in 5 minutes" bullshit. There have been some great 5 minute matches. He has been in some great 5 minute matches, but just not recently. It is all punch, chop, chop, chop, rolling german to rolling german to rolling german, flyinghead butt, attempted crossface, but opponet roles free, opponet gets in some offence, then crossface out of nowhere, and then Beniot wins. That is all the matches I've seen from him since he came back from surgery.
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ok ok BDC, post count is BULLSHIT you know that, everyone knows that, everyone has an opinion and they can express it freely, this IS a Discussion Forum if you haven't noticed.
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ok ok BDC, post count is BULLSHIT you know that, everyone knows that, everyone has an opinion and they can express it freely, this IS a Discussion Forum if you haven't noticed.
Hey when all they do is just flame while not really adding anything to the discussion, then their opnion is bullshit as well. So if all they are going to do is call me gay, and bring out a bullshit-o-meter, then yes, post counts matter.
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But he doesn't. Besides ppvs, when is the last time beniot has put on a truely great preformance in the ring. And don't give me that "how can anyone have a good match in 5 minutes" bullshit. There have been some great 5 minute matches. He has been in some great 5 minute matches, but just not recently. It is all punch, chop, chop, chop, rolling german to rolling german to rolling german, flyinghead butt, attempted crossface, but opponet roles free, opponet gets in some offence, then crossface out of nowhere, and then Beniot wins. That is all the matches I've seen from him since he came back from surgery.
Personally, I can't think of one good 5-minute match, much less a great one. As for Benoit's matches being predicatble, what about the Rock? Or Rob Van Dam? Or any number or wrestlers with "trademark spots" that they use in every match? Your whole point of singling out Benoit for his weak TV matches is horseshit, because that's pretty much what EVERY wrestler's TV performances are.
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But he doesn't. Besides ppvs, when is the last time beniot has put on a truely great preformance in the ring. And don't give me that "how can anyone have a good match in 5 minutes" bullshit. There have been some great 5 minute matches. He has been in some great 5 minute matches, but just not recently. It is all punch, chop, chop, chop, rolling german to rolling german to rolling german, flyinghead butt, attempted crossface, but opponet roles free, opponet gets in some offence, then crossface out of nowhere, and then Beniot wins. That is all the matches I've seen from him since he came back from surgery.

His match with Shawn on RAW was incredible, even if the ending pissed people off. His match with Brock was good in december too. And having a match only last 5 minutes is a valid excuse for it not being great, so don't try and say it isn't. Matches are capable of being good in 5 minutes. But you will never see a 5star classic match that only lasts 5 minutes? What do you mean besides PPV's? Thats kind of a stupid thing to say...
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Benoit is the man.
What my man said here.

I understand where BDC is coming from, and you all need to lay off him. I know he's a brash muthasucka, but he's a [i]great[i] brash muthasucka.

I would just like to take this opportunity to say that I marked like the biggest bitch ever when Benoit won the title tonight.
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Personally, I can't think of one good 5-minute match, much less a great one. As for Benoit's matches being predicatble, what about the Rock? Or Rob Van Dam? Or any number or wrestlers with "trademark spots" that they use in every match? Your whole point of singling out Benoit for his weak TV matches is horseshit, because that's pretty much what EVERY wrestler's TV performances are.
Trademark spots, and repeative matches are very different. For some good, great less than five minute tv matchs, take at look at like Jericho's WCW years, RVD when he first came to WWE, Cena, Brock, Orton is fairly decent even though I hate him for completely different reason. Last year, even the ladies in the women's div were putting on some soild 5 minute matches, Jazz is a hell of a worker. Storm is good when ever he isn't jobbing.

The thing with Beniot is that he only used 4 moves, maybe 5 during any tv match, and always in the same order. Again, I'm not just singling him out for doing this, but besides wrestling, he can't cut a promo to save his life. At least the Rock can, at least RVD can, at least Jericho can, at least HHH could, at least Cena can.

Beniot is suppose to be the man in the ring, and when he is boring as hell, with no other redeming quilities why should he get the belt. I know he has worked his ass off to get where he is, but so have a lot of other guys in the locker room. I'm singling Beniot out because he is suppose to entertain with every match, that is his claim to fame, and he hasn't lately.
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Oh, and I'm not trying to rip on BDC, because he does have some pretty valid points. I just so happen to disagree with him on most levels.

True, in most instances, sports-entertainment massively out-draws purist wrestling. I'll freely admit that, champion or not, Benoit's probably never going to bring in the same numbers as Ausin or Rocky. But the fact remains, he's far and away the most over guy on Raw right now (barring the Rock and Foley), and if WWE really is supposedly going to adopt a more submission-based psyschology heavy style, there's really no one better to lead the way than him.

And yeah, Benoit's TV matches largely consist of the same spots repeatedly, but like I said before, that applies to just about the entire WWE roster. And anyways, it's getting over pretty huge. The surprise pop he gets for the Crossface is starting to get a lot like the way the crowd popped when DDP hit the Diamond Cutter. The Rolling Germans are getting pretty over, too. Still, it would be nice if he'd incorporate more of his moveset into the regular matches (like the Northern Lights or that AWESOME Powerbomb he does every once in a blue moon)
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His match with Shawn on RAW was incredible, even if the ending pissed people off. His match with Brock was good in december too. And having a match only last 5 minutes is a valid excuse for it not being great, so don't try and say it isn't. Matches are capable of being good in 5 minutes. But you will never see a 5star classic match that only lasts 5 minutes? What do you mean besides PPV's? Thats kind of a stupid thing to say...
I haven't seen him in a really good, hell even a decent match in such a long time that wasn't a ppv. I've seen what he did in ECW and WCW, I know if anyone can put on a good 5 minute match, it should be him. He has gone down to a boring ass forumla of a match.
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What about that series of matches with Angle on SD? Just about all of those were PPV-quality. Same with the Double-Header in December against Cena and Brock, and his recent Raw matches against Flair and Michaels. Yeah, the quick 5-minute matches are awfully formulaic, but if you're just saying that ALL of his TV matches have sucked, you must not have been watching a lot of them.
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Benoit rules. Sure he has no charisma and cut a good promo if his life depended on it but he is one of the best wrestler the WWE has.

With the exception to Angle and Guerrero, no one can come to close to being as technically sound as him
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Oh, and I'm not trying to rip on BDC, because he does have some pretty valid points. I just so happen to disagree with him on most levels.

True, in most instances, sports-entertainment massively out-draws purist wrestling. I'll freely admit that, champion or not, Benoit's probably never going to bring in the same numbers as Ausin or Rocky. But the fact remains, he's far and away the most over guy on Raw right now (barring the Rock and Foley), and if WWE really is supposedly going to adopt a more submission-based psyschology heavy style, there's really no one better to lead the way than him.

And yeah, Benoit's TV matches largely consist of the same spots repeatedly, but like I said before, that applies to just about the entire WWE roster. And anyways, it's getting over pretty huge. The surprise pop he gets for the Crossface is starting to get a lot like the way the crowd popped when DDP hit the Diamond Cutter. The Rolling Germans are getting pretty over, too. Still, it would be nice if he'd incorporate more of his moveset into the regular matches (like the Northern Lights or that AWESOME Powerbomb he does every once in a blue moon)
Never, ever compare anything to the Diamond Cutter, that is simply the most amazing finisher ever. The Diamond cutter makes everything else look like freshly pooped crap on week old crap. The diamond cutter was quick, agile, explosive, and at times awe-isnpiring. It could be incredably discrutive and hit from nowhere. He could do it in the middle of the ring, BANG, top rope, BANG, damn near brake Tank Abbot's neck, BANG, as his opponet is beating the shit out of him, BANG, while you are being intamite with your wife, BANG, you are enjoying a nice pepsi, BANG diamond cutter. The crossface looks all clumsy and crappy when compared to the diamond cutter. Plus, a good impact finisher looks better than any submission (though submission have a fair more effective psychological shock which is lost to most marks).

I enjoy a good psychological match more than most anyone, but Beniot is to forumlamatic, Rhyno has a better psychological game in 5 minutes that Beniot does in 10.
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Hey when all they do is just flame while not really adding anything to the discussion, then their opnion is bullshit as well. So if all they are going to do is call me gay, and bring out a bullshit-o-meter, then yes, post counts matter.
Post counts don't matter... The Maturity of the poster, that matters, it's fine, I don't hold anything you said against you OTHER than you saying post count is important.
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What about that series of matches with Angle on SD? Just about all of those were PPV-quality. Same with the Double-Header in December against Cena and Brock, and his recent Raw matches against Flair and Michaels. Yeah, the quick 5-minute matches are awfully formulaic, but if you're just saying that ALL of his TV matches have sucked, you must not have been watching a lot of them.
Yeah, those were all Angle. If Beniot isn't again Angle (and to lesser exent Brock or maybe even Cena), he sucks for 5 minutes.
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Never, ever compare anything to the Diamond Cutter, that is simply the most amazing finisher ever. The Diamond cutter makes everything else look like freshly pooped crap on week old crap. The diamond cutter was quick, agile, explosive, and at times awe-isnpiring. It could be incredably discrutive and hit from nowhere. He could do it in the middle of the ring, BANG, top rope, BANG, damn near brake Tank Abbot's neck, BANG, as his opponet is beating the shit out of him, BANG, while you are being intamite with your wife, BANG, you are enjoying a nice pepsi, BANG diamond cutter. The crossface looks all clumsy and crappy when compared to the diamond cutter. Plus, a good impact finisher looks better than any submission (though submission have a fair more effective psychological shock which is lost to most marks).
Sloppy-looking or not, the Crosface is still massively over as a finisher, and like the Diamond Cutter, he can hit it out of just about anything and the crowd will give a monster pop. That was the point I was getting at. (BTW, the Diamond Cutter was easily one of my favorite finishers)
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Benoit rules. Sure he has no charisma and cut a good promo if his life depended on it but he is one of the best wrestler the WWE has.

With the exception to Angle and Guerrero, no one can come to close to being as technically sound as him
Brock, Regal (when he is healthy), Stinko Malenko (I've been watching to much Jericho tapes lately), speaking of which, Jericho, Storm, I bet Bret could too. Um, about a dozen indy wrestlers probably could as well. Beniot isn't all that special, he is just a glorified indy champ.
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Yeah, those were all Angle. If Beniot isn't again Angle (and to lesser exent Brock or maybe even Cena), he sucks for 5 minutes.
Please. For half of those matches, Benoit was the dominant wrestler in them (although I'll admit the better ones were with Angle on top) You can't just discount the guy having an awesome match just because he had a good opponent.
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