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I haven't seen a thread for this game yet, so I'll start it.

It's out next month (June 12th), it's PS3 exclusive, will be a VERY huge GOTY candidate, and it's getting VERY hyped right now.

And it looks fucking awesome. Hoping this comes out to expectations, too.

Info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_G...f_the_Patriots

(Yeah, it's wiki, but it's the only link I could find that gave all known facts about the game at once).

The trailer for the game:

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DISCUSS!!

Holy PS2 graphics!

It's from youtube (you know, where everything has to be compressed so fucking much to make it fit on there anymore), so I'm not so sure what was being so expected there. The graphics on GTA4 ended up getting gimped once it was compressed into a YouTube-able video, as well, so that is nothing new for that to happen.

I personally saw another trailer of this at EB Games the other day (yes, I got it reserved), and believe me, it looks awesome.

Hopefully you guys aren't just saying this because you're 360 fanboys that really want to slam this game anyway you can because you know this game could be a BIG turning point in the PS3 vs. 360 war (especially you, FA, since you or someone with your name is going around on N4G.com slamming the PS3 any chance you or he gets).

Can't wait. Been waiting for this game for too long. It's going to be badass.

Supposedly, it actually ties up everything well. We'll see. Then again, if Kojima can give a good explanation as to why Liquid is taking over Ocelot's body, without even outright giving an explanation, and letting the player make the connection, I have faith in the man.

It's exclusive? I thought it was going to be one of those games that are "exclusive" for about a year and then appear on a rival console.

I don't have a PS3, just a Wii although I wouldn't mind a 360. I don't have the money to spare for a 360 right now though.
The last MGS game I played through was MGS2, I bought MGS3 on release but somehow it didn't grasp me like the others but I am interested how the story will end in MGS4.

If I ever get around to buying a 360 and if MGS4 makes it to 360 I might give it a shot.

Kojima said that he couldn't fit all of the game onto a 50 GB Blu Ray disc without cutting out the multi-language tracks, so I doubt that this game would see the light on the 360 unless they can make a 50 gig DVD or something like that (the notion that the game he wanted to make is ABOVE 50 gigs has me wondering what in the fuck this guy had in mind).

Not saying that it couldn't happen, but the chances are VERY slim that it would be able to be ported without some SERIOUS compression that would gimp the game in a HUGE way. And even then, I doubt that it would fit on any less than three DVD-9s given that 50 GB stuff.

either gonna look for a ps3 emulator or gonna lend my buddies ps3...

Stop your crying.


I couldn't give 1 shit what it does for the PS3 or 360.

I will be camping outside of a friend's house to play this.

Most of the stuff taking up that 50GB will most likely be Uncompressed Audio and Texture files. Uncompressed Audio will take up a shit load of space so with Microsofts Compression Software that would aid it significantly. I could see them being able to fit it onto 2 DVDs.

As for the game itself, I don't own a PS3 but I'm interested in MGS4. Only problem is I didn't enjoy MGS3 that much so I'm not intending on a buying a PS3 for this.

This is the only game that the PS3 is worth a shit to me, but one game isn't enough for me to buy such an expensive console.

Now, when the PS3 gets down to >$200, I'll pick it up and any game that's half-decent, but nothing besides this is a must own for me.

Wii wins....

But seriously, it could be done on the 360 (disc swaps... Lost Oddeysey is a 34gb game) but it's of no concern to me. Gonna borrow my mates PS3 when he's done with the game since he has no other games (or blu-rays) and bought his PS3 specifically in anticipation for this.... Crazy fucker.

I just said "turning point" because this seems to be THE game this year outside of GTA4 (this game is the main reason given as to why PS3 owners are less than not worried about the two exclusive 360 GTA4 episodes...or GOW2, for that matter).

The other thing that we will get in addition to this game: Metal Gear Online. Not sure how MGO will end up, but it seems to have interest. The core MGO game is expected to be on the same disc as MGS4 (if I remember correctly, or at least in the same box).

I've seen MGO vids and it doesn't seem to do anything special. It's a competent shooter atleast, and a decent enough option.

I loved msg3 The sniping battle omg.

Here's the gimmick infringer's N4G profile, in case you're curious: http://www.n4g.com/up/30076.aspx

I'm not sure what you mean by you didn't understand the reason for the possession. As in, I'm not sure if you mean why he was possessed to begin with, or why doing what he did cause him to be possessed.

The reason Ocelot was possessed to begin with is the easy part: He had Liquid's arm surgically implanted onto his body (since he lost one of his in MGS1). Liquid lives on through the arm and then starts taking over his mind and body to the point that in MGS4, he is now known as Liquid Ocelot.

Now, how his arm in fact causes the possession is never really explained, but I think I have an idea. I think it had something to do with the whole thing about Liquid being a son of Big Boss (thus he got implanted with the DNA), and when Ocelot took his arm for his own, he reawakened the genes. Also, his "boss" (Solidus Snake) funded the operation, so something tells me Solidus had a hand in what eventually happened, as well (remember what Solidus' goal was with Arsenal Gear and who Liquid Ocelot said he was going after near the end of MGS2).

Again, this is just what I think happened and not what was explained (only the base cause, implanting the arm, and the end result, Liquid's possession, is explained. There were no details)

I can't get over this. Seriously? A PS3 emulator? Good luck with that.

Also, I think this game will be the main reason I buy a PS3. Had GTA been PS3 only for even a short time I would have one right now.

Actually, the best explanation is that Ocelot inherited some of his powers from his father, The Sorrow. Who had some sort of power involving reviving the spirit of the dead.

Ehh...I should admit something....

...I haven't played all the way through MGS3 just yet, so I'm still learning the details of what happened in that game. I have read the main things that we find out about The Boss, The Sorrow and Ocelot (and how he forms what eventually and apparently becomes The Patriots), but other than that, I have little knowledge. I'm playing through it now because I bought the Essential Collection that had all three games in it and wanted to finally play it.

Still though, I think the Les Enfelt Terribles project (dunno if I have that spelled right) and Solidus also had a hand in it as well.

Yeah, you def need to finish it. Probably the best, and most moving ending ever in a videogame.

Well, there have been a ton of EXCELLENT MGS sequences in history I like. You now got my hopes up for a excellent swerve since there's a lot of favorites I have that it will have to live up to.

Bingo. Ocelot's father has a strong connection with the spiritual/undead world. If that ability is hereditary (which, for shits and giggle, we'll assume), then it isn't too much of a stretch that Ocelot would channel the spirit of liquid through the hand.

Yeah, really the only complaint I have about MGS 3, is that it doesn't grab you from the beginning, like the others do. It does eventually, but in the beginning, you don't get that "I can't put this down because I HAVE to see what happens next" feeling.

But it's most definitly worth sticking to it.

I'm near the end of the game (for someone who wants you to kill her, The Boss is one tough fucking BITCH), so I'll see it eventually.

Only complaint besides that LONG ASS intro: Where is the huge "breaking the fourth wall" sequence in MGS3. After Psychomantis and the Crazy Colonel sequences , I was expecting something EXTREMELY freaky. All I found was that Sorrow sequence (and that was more of a "what the hell am I supposed to do at that end" thing than a "what the fuck is wrong with the game" thing). Was kind of a letdown because I was kind of ready for something really weird to happen on that front.

Still, in their defense, I can see why they didn't do too much in MGS3. Was hard to beat MGS2's sequences. "I NEED SCISSORS!! 61!!"

It's not for sure - I don't care what Konami and anyone else says, you really can't take their word for it. If it does (which I imagine it will) I don't think it will be for at least two years at the earliest.

If you're wanting blu-rays too then just get a PS3. I don't see this ever coming to the 360 unless it's some remake years from now.

They do have a special bundle coming out that has the game, PS3, and a Dualshock 3 controller packed in (and it's the 80GB model, which means it has BC for most games. Trust me, the BC is better than some are making it out to be, since ALL my PS1/2 games have worked with nearly no hitches in my PS3), for the same price as the Motorstorm bundle was for.

So if you want to get a PS3 for this game, you might want to preorder that bundle (or wait for it).

Keep in mind that MGS4 is just one game out of a strong lineup this year (Resistance 2 and LittleBigPlanet are two other huge PS3 games coming this year, and it's confirmed Bioshock is coming to PS3 in September with some improved graphics and the 360's DLC for that game already included).

The game itself would be WAY too big for a 360 disc (literally. It's about 50GB in size), so I doubt that Kojima could make a 360 version even if he wanted to.

That pack also has a 2nd controller (SIXAXIS, not Dualshock 3) and comes in a gun metal grey colour.

Europe is confirmed to not have this bundle on MGS4 launch.

Also, you're right, it wouldn't fit on a disc, and Konami would never resort to making a game spanning multiple discs...

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/267...tscbackcq0.jpg

WAIT A FUCKING SECOND! THAT BOX SAYS 2 DISCS! UN-BE-FUCKING-LEIVABLE!

No one ever said they wouldn't make a multi-disc game. Imagine how MANY discs they would have to put this game on for the 360 if it came out. I imagine at LEAST 4. Not saying they wouldn't do this, but it's highly doubtful that they would be able to without a ton of compression.

The bundle you're talking about is a different one from what I'm talking about. The one you mention was a LE one that was only available on Konami's web site. The one I speak of was announced MONTHS ago and is going to be in stores when the game comes out.

As I already said in a previous post. Most of that size will most likely come from Uncompressed Audio. Compress that and you shave off a hell of a lot of space there. Compress Texture files you take off a lot more you could easily get it down to about 2 DL DVDs.

Lost Oddeysey is 4 discs :)

As for the bundle, you're right. The one you're talking about though does have 2 controllers. One Dualshock, one SIXAXIS.

I doubt it's uncompressed audio. There are 90 minute cut-scenes in this game. And that's at one time. You can pause and skip them but a lot of this, like every other MGS game, will be cutscene animation.

Yeah, MGS is known for its movie-like cut-scenes that last forever. Really doubt those discs are full of uncompressed audio/textures.

Aside from scripting, how much could game-rendered cut scenes possibly take up?

Unless they're HD videos it makes no sense for it to approach the 50Gig mark even with the enormous cut scenes. Something doesn't add up unless it IS uncompressed audio and textures.

It was revealed that the game will have a total of 9 hours worth of cut-scenes. So, cut-scenes alone are going to take a HUGE portion of the disc. Combine that with the likely very long game itself, and I'd say that is worth all the space they are using.

Okay, yeah, that's quite a bit.

Concerning that, it looks like that was proven false already:

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I'm highly confused now. The one I'm talking about is this one:
There is only one controller advertised there (unless there was an update to that one I haven't been aware of to this version of the package).

There was another one that was touted on Konami's website that was gun-metal color and was worth about a hundred more than the one I was referring to.

Keep in mind NONE of these had a Sixaxis-only controller (which is what I'm assuming you mean). The DS3 has Sixaxis functionality, but Sony discontinued further development of the Sixaxis-only controller when they launched the DS3. There's no bundle of any kind for MGS4 that has a Sixaxis-only controller based on that last point.

Oh yeah, it was a JAP bundle that had one DS3 and one SIXAXIS

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/02/sa...les-announced/

Looks sick! Gotta say I'm behind on my video games though. I only just got MGS2 a few months ago and haven't come round to playing it yet.

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Just posting this because it's awesome. From when MGS4 was first announced.

LOL. 4.6 GB Install? Has this been shot down yet?

Hasn't been shot down yet. Could very well be true. A lot of games, unfortunately, do have installs. I don't mind it right now, but if I had enough games that did, it'd get to be a pain in the ass. I'm waiting for the day when I have to uninstall the game when I'm done so I can play something else (the install doesn't house the saved game, so uninstalling it wouldn't cause you to lose saves.)

I understand why they do it, but I still wish they were optional.

No. It's on the back of the box and everything.

I know other games do it, it's just that we're talking a HUGE install here, and a mandatory one at that.

Saw the box shot, was hoping it was fake, or maybe just wrong. Guess not. :(

DMC4 had an install that was pretty much the exact same size.
Hell, that fricking thing took forever to install. Maybe it was worth it, maybe it wasn't? It's nice to have next to no loading, but still, they should really be optional.

Then again, when you have a cutscene as long as a movie....

The install thing is true (this shouldn't be that bad. GTA4 had an install on the PS3 too, and it only took 5 mins. tops. The DMC4 thing was ridiculous, as I don't see how the 20 minutes was really necessary). Most games that have these installs don't take that long. I wouldn't read too much into that (the 360 fanboys are going ape shit about the PS3 installs on ANY game on N4G as if it is THAT huge of a deal, too, even though some of their games, including GTA4, have an option to install the game on the hard drive that's in THEIR consoles, too).

The movie length, according to Gamepro...completely false. Check above for their story on that. Seeing as how I've trusted GP with alot of game news (they are usually VERY on the mark), why that rumor hasn't been considered killed yet by any other video game media outlet is beyond me.

It wasn't worth it to those of us with 360s, that's for sure. I'll take the version with no mandatory install. I can live with 1 second load times.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Dude, you're a total fanboy. Don't go whining about others.

Also, there's a completely different issue at hand between optional installs and mandatory installs. But while we're on the subject, where exactly is the GTA4 install option on the 360?

I wonder why installs on the 360 are optional? Could it be because *gasp* the hard drive itself is optional? If all 360's had hard drives you could gaurantee some of the games for that system would have mandatory installs; having them now would completely alienate some of the systems audience from playing games that forced an install.

I don't even know of a game where there is an optional install, but I haven't played all the games out there, and I have minimal interest in a lot of the "big titles."

However comma, before anything else is said, let's get something straight: The main reason the PS3 has mandatory HDD installs is because they put a 1X BDROM drive in it.End of story. The load times, comparably, would be ridiculous.

As for the rest....I dunno why it's even an issue. Sounds like you're getting butthurt because someone is pointing out a flaw in a system you're emotionally invested in. But ignoring your pissy defense of the PS3 for a stupid problem primarily due to shortsightedness, I have a serious question.

Did the original XBox with its HDD have a lot of games with a mandatory install?

If yes, I apologise, but if not, shut up.

Beyond that, would it be particularly hard to release "HDD required" games for the 360? It's not even unprecedented, so they could easily do it.

This guy speaks the truth, the only reason Microsoft won't do it is because the HDD doesnt come with every 360 so they don't want some people to miss out on certain titles because of this. I personally feel it's a mistake because most people with 360s get or have the HDD anyway, it's only a very tiny minority that don't.

There is only one game I can think of on the 360 which has a mandatory install and that is Final Fantasy 11 but that's expected because it's an MMORPG.

As for MGS4, I do really want to play it as I believe I've mentioned but I won't buy a PS3 for it. Especially considering I really couldn't get into MGS3 so it would be quite likely the same thing would happen here.

If anything, HDD mandatory games would sell HDDs. I don't think they're really necessary, though. The worst load times I've seen are on GTA4, and they pale compared to what it takes to pull data off a BD ROM at 1X.

I hate load times, and I always will, but a few seconds difference is not worth a 30+ minute install. Especially when most games do not have the load time issues cross platform that GTA does. I'm yet to see a serious loading issue aside from the single game. No, I take that back. There's Mass Effect, but that has a lot to do with the way that programmed the game.

I've got to say, in some cases, I probably would opt for an install. Opt. Doesn't mean I like being told I have to. But that aside, an HDD install with the 360 would have to be faster, unless we're talking ten discs of data (Which is unlikely and unfeasible, given the tsandard HDD size). You know, because the 360 has a drive which is fast relative to the size of it. The reason it's not necessary in the first place.

It had 0.

The average user will eventually get pissed off. If a lot of these games came around, some people would have 9 games max to keep installed.

I don't often play PC games because of all that HD install bullshit, thats why my games are on consoles.

At least with PC games, you can get an extra HDD and let it run in tandem.

Anyway, I didn't want to speak without knowing for sure, but if the XBox didn't have mandatory installs, it's ludacrous to say that it would happen if the HDD was standard on the 360.

And yeah, the average user will get bothered if more of these games start coming out, especially if they have the smaller drives. Mine's an 80 GB model, so I certainly can do a bunch of these games, but only if I don't mind limiting everything else. Sure, I can uninstall them after I'm done, but a lot of my games I like to pick up and play. And I can do that on the 360.

lol at complaining about installing games on a PC

That's what a few people on N4G have said to me, too. Unfortunately for them, they failed to acknowledge that I own a Wii, as well, and I enjoy playing that, as well. There aren't too many games I want to play that are only on the 360 right now (Fable 2 and maybe Halo 3, the latter I heard was very over hyped), even though I won't mind getting one sometime soon.

But where I was getting at is that the people on N4G are EXTREMELY bad and will bitch about ANYTHING they can, and turn a minor thing into a major deal. It's troublesome when a fanboy and his legions go about approving a news story that is just propaganda for the system they want you to like (one even had a headline that said "GTA4 DLC - Is it worth trading your PS3 over?", submitted (and original headline changed by) someone who everyone knows is a lunatic 360 fanboy. The question that that headline referred to was never in the actual article). Trust me, you haven't seen fanboy until you see THOSE people. Reading how some people never listen to anything except what they wish to hear, you will want to be a fanboy just to spite these fanboys. Thankfully, most on N4G are intelligent and can call fanboys on their BS right away, and make good arguments about things.

Compared to THOSE fuckers, I'm tame (at least I'm hoping).

Link me to these people.

http://www.n4g.com/up/22082.aspx ("Bloodmask". He's the one that submitted the news story I described the way it was submitted. He also submitted at least one Shane Kim interview a day for a few weeks straight, nothing new coming out of any of them).

http://www.n4g.com/up/29216.aspx ("Breakfast")

http://www.n4g.com/up/20858.aspx ("Bladestar". Yes, that IS his avatar. He usually has no idea where LOGIC comes from).

http://www.n4g.com/up/25869.aspx ("InYourMom". I think he left the site now, but he was one of the VERY bad ones).

http://www.n4g.com/up/14781.aspx ("Sleepbox". One of those people that seems to find a way to bring an anti-Sony argument into every article he comments on, even in those that have nothing to do with ANY system war. Usually gets his facts wrong.).

http://www.n4g.com/up/2994.aspx ("Power of Green". One of the THE worst of them. If you pay attention on the site, he seems to have more than one account on there. I bet 3/4ths of these people are actually his socks (because people keep putting him on ignore). Another one who likes to boil EVERYTHING down to 360 vs. PS3.).

http://www.n4g.com/up/17934.aspx ("Wageslave". Has this habit of announcing (unsure if he really does it or not) of reporting ANYTHING he doesn't like in other comments as spam. Even the littlest bit that he thinks he has a valid point for his "report" about. Sleepbox also does this on occasion. Slave is one that hasn't been too active in a while).

http://www.n4g.com/up/17420.aspx ("tordavis". This is the guy I've had a feud with for some time now on the site. This is that Bitbag guy (you know, the guy who posted that stuff about GTA4 that got a bunch of attention?). I posted several rebuttles about his reporting and he went about making his site look like crap in return by trying to battle me, basically unraveling several stories of how the reporting of the blogger breakfast actually went down (isn't the only thing he couldn't get his facts right on) and what they actually said about anything. Tends to play the 360-fanboy who acts like he's not).

http://www.n4g.com/up/30026.aspx ("TurdStationPee". Nuff said.)


Sad thing about this is that the majority of these people post in the "Gamer Zone" of the comment section, where immature fanboyism and name calling is strictly prohibited (there is the "Open Zone" where such is allowed).

There is PS3 fanboys on the site that don't have much of a clue, either. It's just right now, it's the 360 fanboys on that site that have much of the floor and seem to be more uncaring of the rules of the site, not to mention there more well known sitewise, so I listed them.

That really doesn't change anything. Well, not in and of itself. The fact is, you bought Sony systems on blind faith ("they can't suck FOREVER!" To paraphrase), you rabidly defend one system and you attack another. I have no idea what N4G is, but the thing is, they might not be as unobservant as you think.

I dunno. I don't care to follow the links to that forum. I don't want to find out, because I fear that if you are right, if they're worse than you, it may damage me irreparably.

People say stupid things. Most of us ignore them or laugh at them. You "feud" with them and defend a corporation and a device, even when they're in the wrong. Really, mandatory installs and a slow drive are bad moves and show off a glaring weakness in the system, and it's not just fanboys going off about it. You seem to feel obligated, however, to defend the system's honor or some shit.

I'll probably get MGS4 for the PS3, rather than wait for the 360 version, which is inevitable. I will probably be fine with the install, because right now, it will be the only such game and I can manage that. I will probably enjoy the game, but that does not mean I accept the install concept in any way besides "begrudgingly." And even then, I will buy all concurrent releases for the 360, unless there are MAJOR differences. Not so much because I'm a fanboy (Last generation, my main console was the PS2. This, it's the 360. Next, it'll be whichever gets the most games that are worth a fuck), it's because I can play them without turning over large chunks of my HDD to them.

Not to mention, you seem to be lying. Where is that GTA4 install on the 360? Where are the other installs the fanboys are okay with?

Most people probably wouldn't even care if they were option, TBH. But consoles are pick up and play. We shouldn't have to install shit any more than we should have to tweak our graphics cards or memory.

Fanboys are annoying as hell. God forbid people have different tastes. I own a PS3, and I don't want a 360. I'm not biased against it, PS3 just has more games I'm interested in. The games I want that are multi-platform aren't significantly different enough to warrant me buying a 360 either. I don't blindly bash the system though. Nor do I blindly support the PS3. Mandatory installs blow. I'm fine with optional installs, hell, I love them, but don't tell me I have to install something, or I can't play the game.

I love fanboys when it comes to reviews too. If a game they don't like gets a good review, the magazine/source was bribed. If it gets a bad review, it's 100% accurate. If a game they do like gets a good review, it's 100% accurate, but if it gets a bad review, they were bribed... Fucking hypocrites, the whole lot of them.

Why the fuck has this been made into such a big issue? It'll take 5 mins to install, in which time you can look at the manual, get yourself a drink or make a sandwich. Then play the fuck out of this bad boy! It's not like every game has a mandatory install, and of the games that do the installs aren't anywhere near as big as this one. It's a non-issue.
And why does everything have to be a fanboy war? 360 owners are nitpicking the tiniest irrelevant details about this game because they cant have it. Vice versa when 360 had games like Mass Effect coming out and PS3 owners couldnt have them. Who gives a shit. If you own a system then enjoy it and dont criticise the other for no reason. It's fucking stupid.
For the record, I own a 360 and a PS3. My 360 has been played alot more due to owning it longer and more games, but with MGS4 coming out i doubt it will even get turned on for at least a month now. Going to be a hell of a game! Come xmas period i am going to be swamped with games for both :D

Stupid fanboy bullshit aside now.

I've never been so pumped for a game before. MGS3 was my fav game of the last gen of consoles. The story was fantastic, the gameplay was intense and varied, and the ending was the best ever in a game IMO. Made me watery eyed it did :S
I cant wait to become engrossed in the MGS world once more, and see how the story ends. I cant wait to play Metal Gear Online and probably get owned by some crazy Japs. I cant wait for those quirky bits of humor. Still lol at slipping over on birdpoo in MGS2, and the easter egg of a guard pissing on your face. Switch into first person cam for that!

I <3 MGS, but i can't justify buying a console just for that. I wanted Haze too as I'm a massive Timesplitters fan, but they fucked that up. I sold my free PS3 as I believed with the console not selling very well, both games would be ported to 360. I still think Haze will, but who gives a fuck now, really?

I've not played MGS3 yet. My little brother had a PS2 at my parents house and someone in this shared house owned one which he kept downstairs, so I never got a chance to play it and didn't want a PS2 of my own as I played all the games I wanted to (bar that) and newer games like Persona 3 are more than playable on PCSX2.

Roll on PCSX2 development so I can play MGS3 or roll on massive PS3 price drop. Even when I have one, I will bitch about installs. I'm an impatient fuck and I even bitched about my housemates HD Loader for PS2, even though it allowed me to play free games, it still pissed me right off and I kept telling him to get a modchip :P

I hope you're right about 5 minutes, because by all accounts the DMC4 install was a fucking joke...

LOL @ 5 minutes to install. Yup.

Or make an informed decision, or don't praise everything about a system.

I'm an Xbox fanboy because I think the PS3 lacks games and things like the HDD installs are dumb. I'm a Nintendo fanboy simply because I own it and am not embarrassed to say it. I'm a Sony fanboy because I think Microsoft's DRM is retarded, they're assholes for releasing a system with known defects, and I don't like Bioshock.

Of course, I generally get called a fanboy by rabid, irrational fans who get pissed if you think there's a flaw in their system. People invest a lot of money into consoles. American buying power is down, and the cost of consoles is up. So now more than ever, people want to feel their choice was right, and that creates insane brand loyalty. Not only do you have to be right, but anyone who questions that has to be wrong.

I dunno. I don't have a problem with people who enjoy their systems. I bought a 360 because it had a shitload of games I wanted, and looked to be the PS2 of this generation (Actually, the PS2 is still the PS2 of this generation, but....). It is. I bought the Wii because it looked like it had a shitload of potential and some great games in the pipe. It hasn't used that potential in my estimation, so I feel a bit let down, but not completely. Super Mario Galaxy is great, I have some WiiWare and Retro titles, and a couple of games I can't remember right now. Oh, and Wii Sports is still awesome. And the PS3? I bought it because I wanted a few of the titles and a Blu Ray player. It's primarily a movie player for me, but it's got a few titles I like. I'm not disappointed, but neither am I overly thrilled with the game side of it.

So yeah. If you like it, if you're fine with it, that is indeed great. If you have to reinforce your choices, then you're an asshat.

Fuck Haze, they're making Timesplitters 4 :)

Well think about it. If the install on DMC was a fucking joke, and the install size on this one is similar, why would this one be five minutes?

Less compression, files not being all over the disc? It's possible that DMC4 just wasn't optimised. Possible, but not likely.

See, the unlikely part is why I was telling you to think about it.

Doesn't sound so bad.

Just read that the install is broken up, so that it occurs between the 4 acts of the game. Combined with (hopefully) a better optimized installation method as hasney pointed out, shouldn't make it too bad.

Having a lot of experience with pc games, it's not a big deal to me either way.

I don't have anything personal against 360. It has way more games and alot of them are as good as the best ps3 has to offer right now. I mainly get annoyed by the HDD install argument due to it being rehashed every 5 seconds on gamefaqs messages boards by real MS fanboys. Funny thing is, outside of DMC4, they only bitch about it on the boards for PS3 exclusives, which just irks me.

Mainly, I don't understand why they bitch. I gaurantee you the vast majority of people posting on any board about HDD installs have played a PC game in the past and some of those take a dickyear to install, so I don't understand why it is such a problem for PS3 to have mandatory installs but it is perfectly fine for PC to have them on EVERYTHING.

And I don't think you are a fanboy for any particular system KK, I just kinda went off when I saw the HDD thing brought up here as well. It is getting old.

Once Kindom Hearts 3 comes out i'll get this and a P3

I support this post.

"I just drove to the store and back to get this game fuck I don't want to wait 1-5 more minutes to play it!"

Fuck all this irrelevant installation crap.
Can we talk about MGS4 in this official MGS4 thread please.

What did everyone think of the final trailer? Thought the cinematic voice-over was pretty lol worthy. Still looks awesome though. Only a week to go now :D:D:D

Yeah, Id's say that too if it was obviousthat my statement was bullshit.

I don't play PC games. But again, if you can't understand why people have different standards for PC games and console games, I'm not sure I can help you at all.

And you know, you may think it's getting old, but it's being brought up for a valid reason, and it will continue to be. You can bitch about people complaining about DRM and defective consoles too, if you want, but it ain't going away. Nor should it, just because you're tired of it.

Swear to fuck god...

Yes, it's a problem for some people, and yet for others it's not. Regardless, it will not change anytime soon. There. End of discussion. How about we move on and go back to talking about the actual game?

Man. Figgy gets so easily butthurt over video games.

At least I don't get butthurt by penis.

It just seems so very pointless to keep argueing about it.

I agree with U-Warrior on this one. This thread has gone WAY OT here.

Just want to say this: There is a difference, to me at least, between those that just have brand loyalty or honest reasons why they pick the system they like over the other (such as me or KK) and bring up good, valid points as their motives and those who act like immature cunts about it and don't have any way to back up what they said, assuming they made any point at all. That's the case of that point. This particular console war is uglier than any of them I've seen yet, and usually it's the 360 crowd (not all of them, mind you, just some) that are looking for a fight. That was all I was saying. I just defend the PS3 here now because, for one, it seems that all we do is trash it here without anyone defending it, and because I honestly think it's not that bad of a system.

As for the trailer, at this point, I can't picture anyone besides David Hayter doing Snake's voice, and the other voices have been so familiar to MGS fans that it can't be anyone else doing those voices.

Yeah, to the original point, this post HAS gotten WAY OT.

Dude, that's not just with defending their consoles. Have you ever been on XBox Live. I just turn voice chat off unless I'm playing with people I know.

My mate is going around the world for 6 months and I've managed to blag looking after his PS3. I'm not sure wether to pick this up at launch or grab MGS3 first and plough through that before playing this....

David Hayter hams it up so awesome and I like the twist he's done with the older voice in the trailers.

I love the voice actor of Liquid so much more though, just because it's so over the top.

BROTHER!!!!

Just seen this. That's better for me as I can put up with a few little installations. Did it say anything about unistalling the previous act? For the people with the smaller HDs and they don't know about upgrading them, it could come in handy for saving HD space.

Dunno, but in the review, they make no complaints about extra long install times like they did for DMC4.

It IS playstation magazine, but as I said, they commented on DMC4. So if MGS4 was just as bad or worse, they would have mentioned it.

WARNING TO ANYONE WAITING FOR THIS GAME:

STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM GAMEFAQS.

Okay, so some people don't go there...Thankfully, I missed this onslaught, but apparently someone's been just posting spoilers all over the place. They are out in FULL FORCE by now, so if you want to keep the game a surprise, stay away.

Details already revealed consist of: *HIGHLIGHT*

The fate of Snake

The return of EVA

and my personal favorite, and the one that would've pissed me off REALLY bad had I read it...

Who are the Patriots?

So...Just giving you all a heads up. One week away. Can not wait.

Thanks for the heads up, Umbrella.

Would have searched for the nearest living thing and killed it, if I had gone there without knowing.