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Afterlife 08-21-2008 08:19 PM

Golden Flopportunity
 
Sherlton Benjamin, who pinned Triple H in his first match on Raw, has since become Hardcore Holly. Every time he almost interested me, he fizzled out, to the point where I really can't take him seriously as a competitor. Am I completely alone? And if not, can he still become a top dog in years to come?

Juan 08-21-2008 08:23 PM

I disagree. The guy is athletic and entertaining as hell. Since his move to ECW, he's definitely been on the right track. He's still young, so I definitely think he has it in him. One of my current faves.

Afterlife 08-21-2008 08:24 PM

I dunno. Just seeing him walk down the ramp instantly disappoints me. It's like, during any given match, I think to myself "How long this time, Shelton? How long 'til you drop the ball again?"

Juan 08-21-2008 08:28 PM

I can understand, as I felt the same way when he was on Raw, but like I said, he has regained support over the last year or so.

Xero 08-21-2008 08:29 PM

For some reason I thought of Goldust from the title...

BigDaddyCool 08-21-2008 09:11 PM

Shelton is a flop.

Afterlife 08-21-2008 09:19 PM

It's not that I think he's past his prime; I just feel like he's blown every shot he's had at legitimacy.

Xero 08-21-2008 09:23 PM

I would say there is more responsibility to blame on the writing. He gets slightly over, the writers get bored with him and he's put back in the toy box.

Very few people have TRULY gotten over in the past five years. And even less have been in decent angles and storylines.

Juan 08-21-2008 09:25 PM

I'm pretty optimistic about him atm. I do agree that his whole run on the Raw brand was rather lackluster. He had a great match with Matt Hardy to win the US strap and has had great matches with Kennedy and Jeff Hardy since then. Maybe if this title reign turns out to be a bust, I'll be more inclined to agree.

Mr. Nerfect 08-21-2008 09:41 PM

I've regained quite a bit of interest in Shelton recently. He's generally a good performer, and as Xero said, most of the fault with Shelton's lack of direction should probably be placed on the writing.

Since winning the US Title, I've felt a lot more energy in Shelton's character. If they can go somewhere with him, then I think he could be something very good for the WWE. They really dropped the ball with him back when he initially moved over to RAW.

Lock Jaw 08-21-2008 10:59 PM

Bring back Shelton's Momma.

.... Uhhh.... but yeah, the writing is pretty much to blame for his constant starting up and shoved back down.

Fox 08-21-2008 11:34 PM

He doesn't have a buyable character yet. Even this "Gold Standard" stuff doesn't work. It just doesn't feel like "him." The closest they came to this was his debut on RAW as the uppity, kind of cocky face. Then they downplayed it. Makes no sense.

Afterlife 08-22-2008 12:35 AM

Maybe that's my snag: he's got a nickname that came before he earned it, and no personality. Because it's not that his matches aren't good, it's that he, as a peformer, is just so...dull.

Again, tho, maybe it's just me.

Lock Jaw 08-22-2008 12:38 AM

You don't need to earn nicknames. They're nicknames.

Indifferent Clox 08-22-2008 12:39 AM

He has the potential to make his feud with Hardy this year be as good as MVP/Hardy last year. Plus he has a world title shot. I am very proud of the WWE at this moment I think they are doing quite a bit right, not only with Benjamin but with a lot of things. They really turned it around after the draft and have been pretty steady since.

Afterlife 08-22-2008 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 2259631)
You don't need to earn nicknames. They're nicknames.

Nicknames happen for a reason, chief. In a world based around gold, you do not become the "Gold Standard" until you've actually got the gold. It was an incredibly empty and therefor cheesy thing to do to him.

thedamndest 08-22-2008 01:05 AM

He dyed his hair.

Xero 08-22-2008 01:10 AM

If he added blue contacts we could start calling him Honky.

Afterlife 08-22-2008 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2259651)
He dyed his hair.

I thought that was a skull cap made of curds.

GD 08-22-2008 02:17 AM

I am not gonna bitch around. Shelton is a worthy mid carder.

Afterlife 08-22-2008 02:55 AM

Eh. So is Hardcore Holly.

Juan 08-22-2008 02:58 AM

Not really, all he ever did was win the tag titles a few times. Just sayin.

Rammsteinmad 08-22-2008 03:20 AM

I think Shelton Benjamin could one day be a top main eventer. It all comes down to the writers and their habit of employing people and then deciding they have "nothing for them".

Afterlife 08-22-2008 03:21 AM

Yeah, but he was also a "star" in the early revival of ECW. I"m not sayin' he's great by any stretch of the imagination. Just that I get the same feeling, expectation-wise, for both men. Benjamin is a superior performer, but he feels so blah.

Again, it may just be me and, if I"m lucky, he may change my tune down the road. But for now...I dunno. Just waiting for him to go nowhere again.

BigDaddyCool 08-22-2008 09:06 AM

Also, whatever happened to Burke? They rushed the new breed thing then dropped him.

Theo Dious 08-22-2008 09:11 AM

They realized he was black.

Theo Dious 08-22-2008 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 (Post 2259469)
I would say there is more responsibility to blame on the writing. He gets slightly over, the writers get bored with him and he's put back in the toy box.

Very few people have TRULY gotten over in the past five years. And even less have been in decent angles and storylines.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...24/WWE/100.jpg

...and really, that's about the only new guy that's done anything near getting over without being thoroughly screwed up.

Theo Dious 08-22-2008 09:13 AM

...of course they haven't realized yet that HE'S black...

BigDaddyCool 08-22-2008 09:16 AM

But for whatever reason they haven't let MVP get to far up the ladder yet.

Theo Dious 08-22-2008 09:31 AM

Honestly, I think they're doing a good thing with MVP. He god a good solid run on Smackdown which was the best thing about Smackdown and one of the best in WWE in 2007. This year they've laid off him a bit, kept him visible, but also held off him a little. He got a water-test of a face reaction a while ago with HHH, and now he's going to be part of a multi-man main event. They may not be doing it on purpose, but it's a good way of keeping his star from burning out too fast. They could make the mistake of pushing him into the full-on ME way too soon, and make a total Orton out of him. What has he been around for, about 2 years now? He has had a good deal of success and is still solid in the eyes of the fans. Let him take his time going up that ladder.

Afterlife 08-22-2008 09:35 AM

Burke is another guy that had a ridiculous nickname. How is somebody with a lisp considered "Thilver Tongued"? I think that nonesense helped him not get a real reaction.

Ruien 08-22-2008 10:19 AM

Okay I read about half this thread. Everyone says the writing is to blame, but when he starts to get in the spotlight he flops a lot of moves. When he starts going on one of those streaks, the writes put him back where he belongs. Therefore, Shelton is to blame for his current spot. This will probably be the time they give Shelton a chance for a long time, so he better not blow it.

Anybody Thrilla 08-22-2008 12:38 PM

Shelton has been great as of late, and I finally started believing in him again. He's been a lot more crisp as of late and he seems more comfortable in the ring than ever. I look forward to his matches.

Elijah Burke is depressing to me. It seemed like they really had some big plans for him, and I was all ready to buy into it...but then he just jobbed like 47,000 times to Charles Michael Punk and faded away into oblivion. I was thinking part of this had to do with Marcus Cor Von's departure, because it seemed like they were being pushed together, but surely they could have figured out something new for him by NOW.

Afterlife 08-22-2008 02:41 PM

*AHEM!* Stevie Richards. I mean, Val Venis. I mean, Funaki. No, wait -- I mean, everyone else upon whom this ludicrous fate would fall.

jindrak 08-22-2008 05:53 PM

Shelton was the breakout star of 2004 when he came to Raw. He was way over as a face, and it's unfortunately that he got lost in the shuffle following an poorly directed heel turn that made no sense.

Naysayers will harp on his mic skills, which isn't fair. Shelton has charisma/personality that comes out when he wrestles. He doesn't need to get on the mic to get over. In that regard, he reminds me of Sting, who was obviously popular because of the charisma/personality he showed in the ring, not on the mic.

The Shelton Benjamin I want to see is the one that locked up with HBK, and was worthy as a MOTY candidate.

That is all.

Afterlife 08-22-2008 09:18 PM

So they've started calling his finisher "Paydirt". What the fuck?

Anybody Thrilla 08-23-2008 09:28 AM

They've been doing that for quite some time now. It's a decent name, but it would have been more fitting for Ted Dibiase or someone thereabouts.

Afterlife 08-23-2008 04:24 PM

It's retarded. If they're going with the "I"m obsessed with titles and gold belts", they should have called it The Title Shot.

Anybody Thrilla 08-23-2008 08:42 PM

Now that would just be silly, Afterlife.

Afterlife 08-23-2008 09:38 PM

Silly how? It's a shot to your face, and it goes with his "obsession with gold" shtick. Plus, as long as he's champ, he could go on about how anybody who wants a Title Shot can get as many as they like. Referencing both his title and his finisher.

Anybody Thrilla 08-24-2008 11:16 AM

I was joking. I thought you understood.

Anybody Thrilla 08-24-2008 11:16 AM

It would be a fine name.

Afterlife 08-24-2008 05:24 PM

I"m sorry. :$

Ruien 08-24-2008 06:40 PM

FROM THE MAIN PAGE ON TPWW.NET

» Ryan Howard sent this in regarding the Smackdown tapings on Tuesday in Moline, IL: It turns out that it wasn't Kevin Thorn in the battle royal. It was Ryan Braddock. Not once during the episode on TV did they say his name. Also, as I watched Shelton Benjamin's promo on TV, they clearly edited over his voice when he said Michael Phelps. Benjamin actually called him MARK Phelps, so he definitely botched that promo. Also, the Vickie Guerrero promo at the beginning of the show, was not what was shown to the crowd at the tapings. She had come out in her wheelchair and explained the Championship Scramble. However, she described it so badly, that she made it seem like the Scramble was happening that very night instead of Unforgiven. The video shown at the beginning of SD was shown before the main event, and there was no audio to it, which left the crowd with a "WTF?" expression. Thought I'd let you know.



This is the start, calling it now.

Juan 08-24-2008 06:43 PM

Understandable, since most people don't give a shit about the Olympics.

Ruien 08-24-2008 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2262040)
Understandable, since most people don't give a shit about the Olympics.

I take it you are not a American? That is the only way to explain how you would not know the guys name.

Juan 08-24-2008 07:19 PM

I know the guys name, I'm saying that Benjamin's mistake is understandable, since most people don't give a shit about the Olympics.

PS. I take it you are American, hence the bad grammar.

Xero 08-24-2008 07:20 PM

Guess I'm not American, since I don't know of him, though I may have heard the name in passing.

Xero 08-24-2008 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2262141)
I know the guys name, I'm saying that Benjamin's mistake is understandable, since most people don't give a shit about the Olympics.

PS. I take it you are American, hence the bad grammar.

Yeah, he must be a American. I'd bet he also watches the Olympic's.

Loose Cannon 08-24-2008 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2262040)
Understandable, since most people don't give a shit about the Olympics.

"The network estimated 157 million people, or more than half the U.S. population, caught some Olympic action on at least one of its outlets, including USA, MSNBC and Oxygen, during the first four days of the games. That's an 11 percent viewership increase over the first four days of the 2004 Athens Games, NBC said"

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NBC says its official: The Beijing Games has become the most-watched U.S. television event of all time.

Through 16 days of coverage, 211 million viewers have watched the Olympics on NBC Universal's broadcast network and cable channels, according to Nielsen Media Research

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"More than 80 percent of Chinese households have tuned in to some broadcasts, guaranteeing the $2 billion company a huge pot of advertising gold."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_120737.html

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"Audiences for the BBC's coverage of the Olympic Games have reached a massive 40 million, according to the corporation.

The BBC today said a total of about 40 million people in the UK have watched at least 15 minutes of the Beijing Olympics - up from 32 million last week.

Despite the time difference between the UK and Beijing, the Games - which finish on Sunday - have been a big hit for the corporation."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...rss&feed=media

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I could probably pull up more articles if I had more time to cover more countires, but you get the picture. Unless you're not talking about people on planet Earth, then I don't know what you're talking about?

Juan 08-24-2008 07:47 PM

Good job.

HeartBreakMan2k 08-24-2008 08:22 PM

<style>.wysiwyg { BACKGROUND: #000000; FONT: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: #ffcc00 } P { MARGIN: 0px } .inlineimg { VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle } </style>I blame Shelton for his constant depushing. I love him, but I still blame him. The writers have tried to get behind him several times but he has this amazing knack of fucking up or dropping the ball every single time he and his character CANNOT afford such fuck ups.

Afterlife 08-24-2008 08:55 PM

Olympics are dumb. :D

Mr. Nerfect 08-27-2008 10:54 AM

Maybe Shelton botched the name on purpose. You know, like a Chris Jericho "I care so little about you I'm going to get your name wrong on purpose" thing?

Benjamin seems like a really funny guy, and he has little moments where so much personality shines through. I remember seeing him on RAW when he first arrived, and marking the fuck out for his match against Triple H, where Triple H would condescend Shelton, then Shelton would own The Game, and give him the exact same "this close" gesture, or pat Triple H on the side of the face. The WWE really dropped the ball with Shelton in 2004.

On a random note: I'd love to see a match between Shelton Benjamin, The Brian Kendrick and Carlito representing SmackDown! and Charlie Haas, Paul London and Primo Colon representing RAW. That would be a really fun match.

Anybody Thrilla 08-27-2008 11:37 AM

That sounds like the most random match of all time.

Mr. Nerfect 08-27-2008 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 2265005)
That sounds like the most random match of all time.

It pretty much is. It basically just came to mind when I was thinking how awesome it would be if Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas actually got to wrestle one day. Or if Paul London and Brian Kendrick had a feud. Or if Carlito and Primo were on the same brand.

Indifferent Clox 08-27-2008 03:18 PM

It'd be all the tag teams together... why the fuck is my font gold.. I did not put gold as my font. this is fucking weird. I seriously did not press any buttons or put any code down and yet my font is now this goldish yellow color, seriously wtf?

Indifferent Clox 08-27-2008 03:18 PM

it is doing it again!!! this is so fucking weird

Indifferent Clox 08-27-2008 03:18 PM

ok it just shows up in the reply box that way.. but still really weird

Indifferent Clox 08-27-2008 03:19 PM

I suspect some mod shenanigans

Anybody Thrilla 08-27-2008 04:05 PM

I suspect you have smoked copious amounts of marijuana.

Xero 08-27-2008 04:09 PM

That's like saying "I suspect The Sandman may have had a keg or two today"...

Indifferent Clox 08-27-2008 05:11 PM

Dude it really is doing it. I don't know how to prove it. And no I haven't smoked anything in two months. Fuck, I wish... :(

Still doing it right now.

Indifferent Clox 08-27-2008 05:11 PM

type in the quick reply box I promise

Lux 08-27-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2259639)
Nicknames happen for a reason, chief. In a world based around gold, you do not become the "Gold Standard" until you've actually got the gold. It was an incredibly empty and therefor cheesy thing to do to him.

Are you kidding, Jim Ross at the end of last year just started calling Jeff Hardy the rainbow-haired warrior and you're telling me they need to be earned

Lux 08-27-2008 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 2262137)
I take it you are not a American? That is the only way to explain how you would not know the guys name.

I could care less about the Olympics and Mr. Phelps, he has done nothing for me except repesent my country, woohoo for you, you swam in a pool fast, got a medal that you'll show your kids and die. :rant:

The Show Off 08-28-2008 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2260450)
So they've started calling his finisher "Paydirt". What the fuck?

According to "Words and Phrase Origins: 3rd Edition" the term paydirt has the following origin...

"One authority traces the expression to the Chinese pei (to give) and used by Chinese miners in California, pay dirt thus meaning 'dirt that gives gold.' However, it more likley derives from the fact that it is dirt containing enough gold dust to pay for working it. The expression is first recorded in 1856."

Thus having someone who's nickname is "The Gold Standard" and his finisher being called "paydirt" is actually quite clever and not really "what the fuck" worthy.

Afterlife 08-28-2008 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux (Post 2265603)
Are you kidding, Jim Ross at the end of last year just started calling Jeff Hardy the rainbow-haired warrior and you're telling me they need to be earned

He had multicolored hair and dyes it often. Also, that's a terrible nickname anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Show Off (Post 2265765)
According to "Words and Phrase Origins: 3rd Edition" the term paydirt has the following origin...

"One authority traces the expression to the Chinese pei (to give) and used by Chinese miners in California, pay dirt thus meaning 'dirt that gives gold.' However, it more likley derives from the fact that it is dirt containing enough gold dust to pay for working it. The expression is first recorded in 1856."

Thus having someone who's nickname is "The Gold Standard" and his finisher being called "paydirt" is actually quite clever and not really "what the fuck" worthy.

First let me say, :y: for going to the trouble of looking that up.

However, my "What the fuck" was not in regards to the origin of the word. If you have any sense of American history, you know what "paydirt" means. It just happens to be a really stupid name for a wrestling move. That's why I say "what the fuck".

Lux 08-28-2008 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2266021)
He had multicolored hair and dyes it often. Also, that's a terrible nickname anyway.

Point being he just gave it to him, if it was earned he deserved it years ago

Afterlife 08-28-2008 11:28 AM

I don't think you understand what I'm talking about.

Side not: I just experienced Clox's "Golden Text Phenomenon".

Lux 08-28-2008 11:46 AM

I understand, i prefer not to :p


side note: what is this phenomenon you speak of?

The Show Off 08-28-2008 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2266021)
He had multicolored hair and dyes it often. Also, that's a terrible nickname anyway.



First let me say, :y: for going to the trouble of looking that up.

However, my "What the fuck" was not in regards to the origin of the word. If you have any sense of American history, you know what "paydirt" means. It just happens to be a really stupid name for a wrestling move. That's why I say "what the fuck".

Alright fair enough, I was just thinking it might be a phrase you're not familiar with. I actually like the name for that move but you idea of "The Title Shot" is actually pretty good as well.

Indifferent Clox 08-28-2008 05:46 PM

omg it's like I'm playing earthbound rite now

Indifferent Clox 08-28-2008 05:46 PM

I think wwkd is behind it

Afterlife 08-29-2008 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux (Post 2266116)
I understand, i prefer not to :p


side note: what is this phenomenon you speak of?

In my quick reply box, my text was showing up gold instead of white. No explanations as to why.

Indifferent Clox 08-29-2008 02:54 AM

(still doing it)

I just want to point out the default text isn't white, it's gray.

For a guy who writes in purple you really should know your colors better.

Lux 08-29-2008 03:30 AM

The fact you knew the difference between gray and white in the quick reply box while posting on tpww is beyond me

Indifferent Clox 08-29-2008 04:06 AM

grey (i.e. default)

white

Afterlife 08-29-2008 05:51 AM

Looks like yellow, to me.

Afterlife 08-29-2008 05:51 AM

Oh, and this is "Dark Orchid", hypocrite. :p

Fox 08-29-2008 03:21 PM

Yeah, default is definitely yellow.

Sebastian 08-29-2008 04:33 PM

Shelton still has a shot to become a mainstay in the WWE. He is young and he is always getting better. The Shelton we have now is ages ahead of the Shelton we saw in the program u describe with HHH. He has been steadily building his skills and charisma, so I think he is a long way from being a flop.

Speaking of flops, I think the biggest flop was Rikishi. I was a huge fan of him as a face and was really intrigued by his heel run but then he just fizzled out.


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