Fedor Signs With Strikeforce
 

well... I hope they (strikeforce) know that they're now in bed with the Russian Mob.

StrikeForce is going to fucking close down now

Fedor is afraid of UFC. Either that or he wants to take down everyone and then UFC, but I think he's afraid of Lesnar.

Fuck Fedor. Lesnar will have a bigger better legacy than him.

Fedor isn't afraid of Brock Lesnar or anyone in the UFC. He's just a buisnessman and he wants to grow the brand of M-1 which he has stake in.

The UFC isn't willing to work with M-1 because their is no reason why the biggest MMA company in the World should wok with a two-bit organization like M-1. Strikeforce on the other hand needs someone like Fedor in their mits so they can finally brag that they have the best fighter in the world. Up until recently the only people the could brag about having was Frank Shamrock, Nick Diaz, Gina Carano, and Gilbert Melendez.

Strikeforce could now say when Fedor fights Alistair Overeem (which I think will be Fedor's first fight) that this is MMA's true heavyweight championship and the title that Brock has is second rate. And they'll be right because like him or not Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world.

As for someone saying that Lesnar having a better legacy, I highly doubt that. Both men are the same age and will probably fight for the same remaining abount of time (5 or so years).

Fedor has already beaten:
Arlovski
Sylvia
Lindland
Hunt
Coleman (Twice)
Cro Cop
Noguiera (Twice)
Fujita
Herring
Arona
Sobral

*Most of those victories were against those guys in their prime.

Brock has beaten:
Mir
Couture
Herring

*Herring being past his prime and Couture possibly being (we'll find out for sure at UFC 102). Lesnar has the possibility of having a good legacy but Fedor has beaten the best of the best in the heavyweight division for the past 8 years.



I know it sucks that Fedor isn't in the UFC. I would love to see Fedor fight Brock, Randy, Gonzaga, Carwin, Kongo, and get rematches against Cro Cop and possibly one more time against Nog... but it's not in the cards. We'll have to settle for Fedor vs. Overeem, Roger, and Werdum for right now and maybe Strikeforce can sign some other guys like Monson or Kharitonov. I doubt any of those guys can beat Fedor but atleast Fedor will be fighting top 20 Heavyweights... and that's none too bad. It's better than him going to Dream and fighting Bob Sapp or Hong Man Choi again.

they can't say shit. alistair overeem is good but he's not heavyweight championship material. the only fighters that could challenge fedor are in the ufc.

You are insane. First of all, Fedor doesnt want to "grow his brand of M-1," he is signed to M-1 as a promotion oh and his manager owns it. He has no choice. And growing a brand is a joke because M-1 doesnt put on shows anymore.

Strikeforce has not yet gone head to head with UFC and for good reason. Dont think it will change just because they have him.

legacys are looked at when the fighters are done and if Fedor doesnt sign with the UFC then lesnar might just put up a better list of fights when its all said and done.

Fedor now has to chose from:
Ovareem
Rogers
Werdum
maybe possible rematches with arlovski and sylvia

Lesnar has
Nogiera
cro cop
dos santos
valasquez
carwin
kongo
and possiblr rematches with mir and couture


and looking at fedors legacy you included lindland, arona, and babalu. 185, 205, 205 respectively. Not to mention all those fights were tough for him and as a heavyweight they shouldnt be. Mark Hunt has a losing record in MMA. Fujita's only noteable wins come from gilbert yvel and ken shamrock.

And lets not forget that there are guys littered in Fedor's record that you have never heard of and were fed to him in japan... lesnar started fighting the top guys and has not fought anyone that was able to be conceived as less than him. Lesnar will not have one can on his resume except for the first one.

Im not hating on fedor or cradling lesnars nuts but get ur facts strait.

tbf fedor beat nog and cro cop in their prime. fedor is a wily fighter. i think he's one of those guys certain people overestimate and certain people under. i think he is head and shoulders above the competition despite all this bollocks.

it's a bit of a gay situation cause if brock doesn't get the chance to fight fedor then it will always hang over him, but at the same time if fedor doesn't make it into the ufc then it's going to hang over him too.

not seen much of nog lately but if he's anything near i remember i think him and lesnar would be a good match all the same.

Lets just say that both Fedor and Brock run the table on both lists you just named... Fedor would still have the more impressive legacy considering all he's done since 2001.

ummm nope... remove the cans either has fought and say theres rematches on each side, just count those as one, and their records are nearly identical

with 30 wins and 2 different rematches, out of 28 wins Fedors impressive opponents were
nog
crocop
herring
coleman
randleman
arlovski
sylvia


out of 4 wins Lesnar has
mir
herring
couture

If each runs the table

Fedor 10 noteable

Lesnar 9 noteable

My facts are straight. Show me once where they are twisted.

We just disagree. It's not a matter of either of us being wrong. We both agree that Fedor is currently the number 1 heavyweight in the world. We both agree that in short order Lesnar probably will be.

All we disagree with is who will have the better legacy. Let's eliminate his wins over Lindland, Sobral, Arona, Hunt and Fujita... Just for the sake of argument. (even though I think all those wins are legit victories to his legacy) It still means that Fedor has eight victories against top flight compitition over his career.

And that's just wins that you and I agree on. If you count the other victories I mentioned Fedor has 13 wins against top flight compoitition I'd be shocked if Lesnar even had a 13 fight career let alone 13 wins... Let alone 13 wins against top flight compitition.

Lesnar right now has a win against Mir at his very best. Couture possible past his prime (we'll see at 102 like I said). And Herring obviously past his prime. It's not even close.

And even if Brock ran the table against all the guys you mentioned and Fedor never fought again... He'd only have 10 wins over top flight compitition... but even that is a very big if.

M-1 has two cards in August on the 15th and 28th...

M-1 has had 15 cards this year.

the facts strait comment had more to do with fedor growing his brand and strikeforce trying to compete directly with ufc

the last card i can find from them is the one on feb 21

where are you seeing an M1 fight on the 15th... my bad on the 28th

Fedor's legacy doesn't mean shit when the majority of MMA fans have never seen him fight. I've seen him, you've seen him and yes - it was impressive. But the average fan now has only heard of him. His legacy doesn't exist anymore than the mystique he has. He has the same reputation to the average fan that Kimbo Slice had.

Is 10 still bigger than 9?

Even so taking out re-matches is an obvious slight against Fedor considering his two biggest wins in his career are against Nogueira.

Fedor has fought a bunch of cans... no doubt, but he's also fought a lot of great fighters as well and only one person his beaten him, and that was a doctors stoppage. And to discount Fujita is just wrong because when Fedor fought Fujita, Fujita was a top heavyweight.

Are you counting the INDIVIDUAL M1 challenges or something. No way they've ran anything even CLOSE to that many show.

10 is bigger than 9, but no one will see Fedor's 10 so that doesn't fuckin matter. Everyone will see Lesnar's 9.

How was Fujita a top heavyweight? By the time he had fought fedor he had already lost twice to cro cop and once to coleman.

So we have to go with popular opinion to determine who is best?

So Nogueira didn't mean shit until he beat Herring and Sylvia in the UFC?

Wanderlei Silva is just an overrated can because he only has 1 win in the UFC?

Cro Cop sucks ass because Gonzaga nearly decapitated him?

And by your logic...

Spencer, Franca, & Nate Diaz have a better better legacies than Kawajiri, Gomi, & Calvancante... because the average fan ever heard of them...

Ben Saunders has a better legacy than Hayato Sakurai... because who's heard of him?

Kendall Grove & Ed Herman's legacy > Jacare & Mayhem's legacy... because who's heard of him?

All three were top heavyweights as well.

and ten is bigger than 9 but when you see that lesnars record would consist of 90% top level competition its a little different. And while saying you dont think Lesnar will get up to around a 13 fight/win career is probably true due to the fact that he is fighting top level guys every fight... had fedor only been fighting the best there was to offer since 2001 then he would not still be fighting im sure.

I'm not saying popular opinion determines who's best. I know Fedor is going to historically the best heavyweight. HOWEVER, when you're talking to fans of MMA about legacy's, Fedor's name probably doesn't come up to the majority of fans.

Jerry Lynn is a better wrestler than 99% of WWE's workers, doesn't fucking matter because no one sees it. I'm sorry, in my opinion, being the best doesn't mean anything if you haven't proved it on the biggest stage. It's a waste of talent.

Not saying that it's Fedor's fault, I wouldn't want to be killed by the Russian mob either.

but he only beat one name guy in mark kerr who went on a four fight skid after that

And don't bring up that he did it in Pride, because the fan base was less than half of what it is now.

And thats what i think is totally unfair about all this news on fedor. Its not like he has any say on the matter what so ever. I dont know if the mob has anything to do with him but he contracted in a russian country and its not like he can just go moveto america to fight. And say he didnt get in real bad trouble for leaving m-1 and russia, it would most likely screw over his brother since he is not allowed to fight in the US and M-1 can keep him from competing and Im sure they have their hands in the japan shows as well

Another way to say it.

Earl Manigault was probably one of the greatest players ever in the game of basketball. Beat a lot of top name NBA players while in New York but the average basketball fan wouldn't recognize his name. On the other hand, Michael Jordan - everyone could probably tell you his number (origional), even if they weren't basketball fans.

Legacy, is created by how many people saw you do what you do best, and cared enough to talk about you. Not skill.

You specifically responded to someone mentioning legacy, hence my point.

Agreed.

I love Fedor, I would LOVE to see him fight in the UFC. Him fighting in Strikeforce isn't hurting my opinion of him, I just think it's a shame he's going to become such a non-event.

you can't multiply lesnars wins like that. it's a ridiculous comparison to make. in 30 fights fedor will have learnt a hell of a lot more, regardless of how good the competition is. plus in 30 fights fedors opponents have had more chance to try and work out his game, while lesnars is improving at a rapid rate cause he is still quite new to the sport, so he is more difficult to predict. frank mir's "getting hit by your little sister" comment pretty much attests to that.

plus fedor's style isn't all that traditional. he throws some outrageously loose haymakers compared to other fighters but it gives his game a bit more dimension as you see him throwing a wild right only to catch the opponent off with a sharp left and take him down.

Agreed... Winning 9 fights in a row against top compitition is more impressive than beating a few cans along the way to pad the resume.

I agree with that. It's why Randy Couture's 16-9 record isn't as bad as it looks.

However you're assuming that Brock can get 6 or 7 top flight wins... Which his talent and size would dictate that he can. I just don't know if he'll still do it. Fedor has, depending on varying opinions, 8 to 13 top flight victories already...

If both run their respective tables...

Fedor = 13 to 18 victories
Brock = 10 victories

In which case...

Fedor would have 13 to 18 wins against top flight compitition in 36 fights
Brock would have 10 victories against top flight compitition in 12 fights...

That would then be up to opinion. I can see your point though winning 12 fights 10 of them versus the very best is very impressive. Maybe more impressive than Fedor.

and your right, but i honestly think that if fedor never steps foot in the ufc, lesnar will accumulate a record that while may not be as inflated, would be just as if not more impressive

i think we see eye to eye

we don't really know what lesnar can do yet though. it's all been very promising so far but in a couple of fights opponents are going to be able to find holes in his game. i mean lesnar might be able to put his weight on fedor and GNP, but i am willing to bet if the fight ever happens fedor would win by armbar while that was happening.

it is a hard one to judge though. neither has been KO'd so you don't know who out of them has the better chin, really. even if brock works on his submission defense fedor is a far more flexible guy who would be able to pull out the unexpected.

We did from the start it's just opinions we got crossed up on...

Now I have to make up with HBM2K...

lol, we're always good brother. I think it's same scenario. We each are getting stuck on totally different points and confusing it for an argument (a friendly one albeit).

I know who "The Goat" is, but you're point is well said.

Legacy was perhaps the wrong term... I should have said resume.

I think Fedor's resume will be better than Lesnars...

Unfortunatly, legacy has to do with fame not how good you are...

More people know who Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning are than Geroge Mikan and Oscar Robertson despite the fact that the latter are two of the best to ever play the game.

More people know who Jose Consaco is than Joe Jacksons is...

It's the trouble with Legacies unless you were mythical when you played (like Babe Ruth) you'll be forgotten in time.

50 years from now both Fedor and Lesnar will be distant memories to even the most hardcore MMA fans. In 50 years neither will be in the Top 20 MMA heavyweigths of all time.

Now that I agree with... unless Dana manages to sign up guys like Fabricio and Overeem and Lesnar walks through them in addition to the rest of the UFC heavyweight division.

Also, I'm thinking Strikeforce will be out of business by the end of 2010 mostly as result of this deal and M1's "co-promotion". Just throwing that out there with no real base or merit. Just my gut feeling.

I fail at reading big time. I was expecting to see a clip of Fedor singing with some Power Metal band.

ahahah :'(

I think strikeforce will be ok because they dont spend too much money and they dont try and take ufc head on, but who knows now

Yeah, but they also aren't used to sharing their profits on shows where they're already paying one fighter an ungodly amount of money.

u mean fedor? they didnt say what they were paying him... he got paid shit compaired to the other fighters while in affliction, but M1 i think shelled it out to him.

Lost in all this I get to see Fedor fight for free. Which is nice.

Not as nice as seeing him face Brock or Couture, but free is always nice.

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He threw away a shit load of money by refusing to go to the UFC. He isn't going to make close to the same money in Strikeforce. Doesn't sound like smart business to me.

his promoter is going to make way better money copromoting the show and he will get paid very well by them, probably more than what ufc would give him.

M-1 becoming world renown will wind up netting Fedor more money if it can become renown, since Fedor owns a piece of M-1.

But besides all of that, do you think Fedor is really afraid of Brock?

Fedor fears Lesnar.

I dont think fedor owns anything of M1... hes one of their athletes much like lesnar is one of UFC's. Fedor's managers own it tho

No. I think his managers are afraid of him losing and them not making any money. Fedor would make huge money in the UFC even if he lost 2 out of 5 fights. He got offered a deal NOBODY has been close to before.

All the challengers are in the UFC. Aside from Overeem (who will be in the UFC the second his Strikeforce deal is over), nobody can come close. He just fucked his own legacy by not signing with them.

As far as I'm concerned, one current form, Georges St. Pierre is the pound for pound best fighter on the planet right now. Not not having great opponents only hurts his legacy.

I dont think his managers are affraid of fedor losing, I think they are greedy and possibly corrupt.

Corrected.

From ESPN.com..

Dana White is the fucking man..

I'll agree that his managers are afraid of him losing. He's their only commodity.

I've never been a Fedor fan but I'd hate to believe he's afraid of facing anyone.

Can cyborgs feel fear?

fear that their flesh would be ripped from their machinery when they're dipped in acid by their Mob connected Managers?

I think you guys forgot Fedor sign a two year,six fight deal with M-1. He just can't jump out of his contract with M-1 to take the UFC deal unless M-1 agreed to it which they didn't. I think he has 3 fights left under M-1.

By time he gets to UFC,he probably not be the same guy.

Best thing about Fedor in comparison to other guys is that he looks like a random bum from the street. I mean others are helluva muscular, tattooed, stylish ( or so they think so ) haircuts and stuff, and he's just that balding, hangover-looking guy with a gut.

someone gets me

Fedor in UFC would have been a huge draw, because as somebody has already said US fans haven't all seen Fedor, but a lot have herd of his reputation as the best in the world. So if he would have been in UFC they would have shown clips given him Brock at the start, and built him up as a t-rex. But Strikeforce, a company that nobody really gives a shit about, and really isn't even seen as a number 2 company to UFC cannot push Fedor near the way UFC could.

Strikeforce is not a great company, its like the WWA or XWF to compare to pro wrestling. They don't have regular shows, they are iffy as to if they will stay in business, and their fighters all have something to prove. They have all been outcast or not accepted into UFC thus making them 2nd rate at least in the comman mans eyes (and the one who sees truth).

Bottom line IMO within a year or two Brock Lesnar will have the same reputation Fedor has and the biggest MMA marketing machine ever behind him. So Fedor, good job, your a pussy or an idiot or both. Fedor didn't want to go to UFC and suffer his first legit loss in his first fight, the biggest fight ever. And I know he would have. It's going to take a genius to beat Brock Lesnar if he keeps his game up. He will just hold you dont and smash your face. What can you do to stop a silverback?

seriously dude? Have you read the articles and what was going on? He doesnt have control of himself and HES ALREADY BEEN SIGNED WITH ANOTHER MMA PROMOTION! Yes M-1 is its own promotion and Fedor fights out of it. Therefore he has to be loaned out or copromoted with. Something UFC would not do.

I read the Dave Meltzer yahoo article. http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

M-1 said the deal UFC offer was not true and less than what's on the internet. Interesting?? Dana White and UFC has a history of stiffing fighters. Vince is the same way in wrestling and it's part of the reason why they are successful(WWE wrestlers don't get the money they deserve). Fans should not get mad at Fedor and M-1 though. Business is business

Dude, Dana White is not stupid. He knows he's gotta shell out the big bucks for Fedor and I'm more likely to believe him than fuckin' shady ass M-1. A fight promotion that doesn't run shows and loans out its fighters to other promotions in exchange for a piece of the action? Pretty sure this what is known as a racket.

You mean like the Golden Boy Promotion or Don King? That's how I look at M-1 Global. It's not really shady because they not doing anything the other company don't know about.

At the end of the day, it obviously the two can't co-exist. It would of been bad business.

What is this history that the UFC has of stiffing fighters then?

You're talking total bollocks.

I think he is talking about making them seem insignificant when he fails to sign them. Just like they did with Tito, and with Randy to a degree.

Don't really agree with the statement, but I think that's it's meaning.

M-1 clearly aquired Fedor with the Boxing promoter mentality, and it doesn't really hurt Fedor. He gets paid extreamly well, and he doesn't really care who he fights. And it doesn't really hurt M-1 because they are taking a good slice of the money whereever he is cross promoted. It does however hurt the progression of MMA. The beauty of MMA is that a dream fight between any 2 contenders is realised within 9 months of its conception. Everybody fights under the same banner. Everybodies pay remains fair and relative... well, certainly relative. And it allows the elite to prove their domiance. Boxing has been riddled with fights taking years to happen or even not happen at all due to promotion issues. Too many suits trying to get a piece of the action. To allow that sort of tradition to not only continue, but in a different sport... Shame on fedor.

At least he has signed with the promotion that is most likely to get the 3 shows on fastest and he will be out of contract. His next contract move will really show who and what he is.

i can't imagine dana stiffing fedor. he must realize he needs fedor to make the UFC's heavyweight division legitimate. every other division i would be confident in saying they had the best fighters in the world, at heavyweight they have that one huge glaring omission which makes the UFC's belt slightly less reputable, albeit still the most prestigious one in mma.

So you are saying the UFC heavyweight division isn't legit because it doesn't have one guy fighting in it?

I'd wager that 85% of UFC fans don't have a clue who this Fedor guy is. So he is irrelavant to them and Dana would be wise to not speak too much about him. Don't give him the publicity.

Same could have been said about Anderson Silva, Rampage, Hendo, Showgun, etc etc etc..