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Old 08-03-2009, 01:28 PM   #1
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Fedor Signs With Strikeforce
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Former PRIDE FC Heavyweight Champion and Affliction MMA headliner Fedor Emelianenko (30-1) has signed a multi-fight contract with the San Jose-based “Strikeforce” mixed martial arts promotion under a special co-promotion agreement with M-1 Global.
“The Last Emperor” was in cruise control under the Affliction MMA banner after back-to-back wins over former UFC Heavyweight Champions Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski.
He was in line for a WAMMA title defense against Josh Barnett at the Aug. 1 ‘Trilogy’ event until “The Babyface Assassin” got popped for steroids in a random pre-fight drug test.
The financially unstable promotion closed up shop shortly thereafter, leaving Emelianenko (once again) the hottest free agent in mixed martial arts.
The Russian gladiator was first up for grabs following the collapse of Pride FC in 2007. The UFC lobbied hard to bring the Sambo champion on board however, talks broke down when the parties could not agree on an exclusive fight contract, eventually leading him to Affliction under his terms.
It was those terms that once again failed to bring him to the Octagon despite the financial efforts of Zuffa, who went on record with a guarantee that he would never see a deal as lucrative as the one they offered.
In the end, co-promotion was apparently more important than cash, as Strikeforce brings M-1 Global into a partnership similar to the one it had with the now-defunct Elite XC back in 2008.
From Vadim Finkelchtein, President of M-1 Global:
“I am very happy and excited about the upcoming collaboration with Strikeforce. We are very pleased that we found a reliable partner and I feel that Strikeforce and M-1 can support each other on many things. This will create big opportunities for both parties to test their fighters against worthy opponents.”
Strikeforce currently has a heavyweight roster that’s comprised of potential opponents like Brett Rogers, Fabricio Werdum and Alistair Overeem.
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well... I hope they (strikeforce) know that they're now in bed with the Russian Mob.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:38 PM   #3
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StrikeForce is going to fucking close down now
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Fedor is afraid of UFC. Either that or he wants to take down everyone and then UFC, but I think he's afraid of Lesnar.
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Fuck Fedor. Lesnar will have a bigger better legacy than him.
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Old 08-03-2009, 04:58 PM   #6
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Fedor isn't afraid of Brock Lesnar or anyone in the UFC. He's just a buisnessman and he wants to grow the brand of M-1 which he has stake in.

The UFC isn't willing to work with M-1 because their is no reason why the biggest MMA company in the World should wok with a two-bit organization like M-1. Strikeforce on the other hand needs someone like Fedor in their mits so they can finally brag that they have the best fighter in the world. Up until recently the only people the could brag about having was Frank Shamrock, Nick Diaz, Gina Carano, and Gilbert Melendez.

Strikeforce could now say when Fedor fights Alistair Overeem (which I think will be Fedor's first fight) that this is MMA's true heavyweight championship and the title that Brock has is second rate. And they'll be right because like him or not Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world.

As for someone saying that Lesnar having a better legacy, I highly doubt that. Both men are the same age and will probably fight for the same remaining abount of time (5 or so years).

Fedor has already beaten:
Arlovski
Sylvia
Lindland
Hunt
Coleman (Twice)
Cro Cop
Noguiera (Twice)
Fujita
Herring
Arona
Sobral

*Most of those victories were against those guys in their prime.

Brock has beaten:
Mir
Couture
Herring

*Herring being past his prime and Couture possibly being (we'll find out for sure at UFC 102). Lesnar has the possibility of having a good legacy but Fedor has beaten the best of the best in the heavyweight division for the past 8 years.



I know it sucks that Fedor isn't in the UFC. I would love to see Fedor fight Brock, Randy, Gonzaga, Carwin, Kongo, and get rematches against Cro Cop and possibly one more time against Nog... but it's not in the cards. We'll have to settle for Fedor vs. Overeem, Roger, and Werdum for right now and maybe Strikeforce can sign some other guys like Monson or Kharitonov. I doubt any of those guys can beat Fedor but atleast Fedor will be fighting top 20 Heavyweights... and that's none too bad. It's better than him going to Dream and fighting Bob Sapp or Hong Man Choi again.
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they can't say shit. alistair overeem is good but he's not heavyweight championship material. the only fighters that could challenge fedor are in the ufc.
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Old 08-03-2009, 05:27 PM   #8
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You are insane. First of all, Fedor doesnt want to "grow his brand of M-1," he is signed to M-1 as a promotion oh and his manager owns it. He has no choice. And growing a brand is a joke because M-1 doesnt put on shows anymore.

Strikeforce has not yet gone head to head with UFC and for good reason. Dont think it will change just because they have him.

legacys are looked at when the fighters are done and if Fedor doesnt sign with the UFC then lesnar might just put up a better list of fights when its all said and done.

Fedor now has to chose from:
Ovareem
Rogers
Werdum
maybe possible rematches with arlovski and sylvia

Lesnar has
Nogiera
cro cop
dos santos
valasquez
carwin
kongo
and possiblr rematches with mir and couture


and looking at fedors legacy you included lindland, arona, and babalu. 185, 205, 205 respectively. Not to mention all those fights were tough for him and as a heavyweight they shouldnt be. Mark Hunt has a losing record in MMA. Fujita's only noteable wins come from gilbert yvel and ken shamrock.

And lets not forget that there are guys littered in Fedor's record that you have never heard of and were fed to him in japan... lesnar started fighting the top guys and has not fought anyone that was able to be conceived as less than him. Lesnar will not have one can on his resume except for the first one.

Im not hating on fedor or cradling lesnars nuts but get ur facts strait.
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Old 08-03-2009, 05:36 PM   #9
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tbf fedor beat nog and cro cop in their prime. fedor is a wily fighter. i think he's one of those guys certain people overestimate and certain people under. i think he is head and shoulders above the competition despite all this bollocks.

it's a bit of a gay situation cause if brock doesn't get the chance to fight fedor then it will always hang over him, but at the same time if fedor doesn't make it into the ufc then it's going to hang over him too.
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Old 08-03-2009, 05:37 PM   #10
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not seen much of nog lately but if he's anything near i remember i think him and lesnar would be a good match all the same.
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Fedor now has to chose from:
Ovareem
Rogers
Werdum
maybe possible rematches with arlovski and sylvia

Lesnar has
Nogiera
cro cop
dos santos
valasquez
carwin
kongo
and possiblr rematches with mir and couture
Lets just say that both Fedor and Brock run the table on both lists you just named... Fedor would still have the more impressive legacy considering all he's done since 2001.
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ummm nope... remove the cans either has fought and say theres rematches on each side, just count those as one, and their records are nearly identical

with 30 wins and 2 different rematches, out of 28 wins Fedors impressive opponents were
nog
crocop
herring
coleman
randleman
arlovski
sylvia


out of 4 wins Lesnar has
mir
herring
couture

If each runs the table

Fedor 10 noteable

Lesnar 9 noteable
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Im not hating on fedor or cradling lesnars nuts but get ur facts strait.
My facts are straight. Show me once where they are twisted.

We just disagree. It's not a matter of either of us being wrong. We both agree that Fedor is currently the number 1 heavyweight in the world. We both agree that in short order Lesnar probably will be.

All we disagree with is who will have the better legacy. Let's eliminate his wins over Lindland, Sobral, Arona, Hunt and Fujita... Just for the sake of argument. (even though I think all those wins are legit victories to his legacy) It still means that Fedor has eight victories against top flight compitition over his career.

And that's just wins that you and I agree on. If you count the other victories I mentioned Fedor has 13 wins against top flight compoitition I'd be shocked if Lesnar even had a 13 fight career let alone 13 wins... Let alone 13 wins against top flight compitition.

Lesnar right now has a win against Mir at his very best. Couture possible past his prime (we'll see at 102 like I said). And Herring obviously past his prime. It's not even close.

And even if Brock ran the table against all the guys you mentioned and Fedor never fought again... He'd only have 10 wins over top flight compitition... but even that is a very big if.
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You are insane. First of all, Fedor doesnt want to "grow his brand of M-1," he is signed to M-1 as a promotion oh and his manager owns it. He has no choice. And growing a brand is a joke because M-1 doesnt put on shows anymore.
M-1 has two cards in August on the 15th and 28th...

M-1 has had 15 cards this year.
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My facts are straight. Show me once where they are twisted.

We just disagree. It's not a matter of either of us being wrong. We both agree that Fedor is currently the number 1 heavyweight in the world. We both agree that in short order Lesnar probably will be.

All we disagree with is who will have the better legacy. Let's eliminate his wins over Lindland, Sobral, Arona, Hunt and Fujita... Just for the sake of argument. (even though I think all those wins are legit victories to his legacy) It still means that Fedor has eight victories against top flight compitition over his career.

And that's just wins that you and I agree on. If you count the other victories I mentioned Fedor has 13 wins against top flight compoitition I'd be shocked if Lesnar even had a 13 fight career let alone 13 wins... Let alone 13 wins against top flight compitition.

Lesnar right now has a win against Mir at his very best. Couture possible past his prime (we'll see at 102 like I said). And Herring obviously past his prime. It's not even close.

And even if Brock ran the table against all the guys you mentioned and Fedor never fought again... He'd only have 10 wins over top flight compitition... but even that is a very big if.
the facts strait comment had more to do with fedor growing his brand and strikeforce trying to compete directly with ufc
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M-1 has two cards in August on the 15th and 28th...

M-1 has had 15 cards this year.
the last card i can find from them is the one on feb 21
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where are you seeing an M1 fight on the 15th... my bad on the 28th
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Fedor's legacy doesn't mean shit when the majority of MMA fans have never seen him fight. I've seen him, you've seen him and yes - it was impressive. But the average fan now has only heard of him. His legacy doesn't exist anymore than the mystique he has. He has the same reputation to the average fan that Kimbo Slice had.
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Fedor 10 noteable

Lesnar 9 noteable
Is 10 still bigger than 9?

Even so taking out re-matches is an obvious slight against Fedor considering his two biggest wins in his career are against Nogueira.

Fedor has fought a bunch of cans... no doubt, but he's also fought a lot of great fighters as well and only one person his beaten him, and that was a doctors stoppage. And to discount Fujita is just wrong because when Fedor fought Fujita, Fujita was a top heavyweight.
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M-1 has two cards in August on the 15th and 28th...

M-1 has had 15 cards this year.
Are you counting the INDIVIDUAL M1 challenges or something. No way they've ran anything even CLOSE to that many show.
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Is 10 still bigger than 9?

Even so taking out re-matches is an obvious slight against Fedor considering his two biggest wins in his career are against Nogueira.

Fedor has fought a bunch of cans... no doubt, but he's also fought a lot of great fighters as well and only one person his beaten him, and that was a doctors stoppage. And to discount Fujita is just wrong because when Fedor fought Fujita, Fujita was a top heavyweight.
10 is bigger than 9, but no one will see Fedor's 10 so that doesn't fuckin matter. Everyone will see Lesnar's 9.
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How was Fujita a top heavyweight? By the time he had fought fedor he had already lost twice to cro cop and once to coleman.
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Fedor's legacy doesn't mean shit when the majority of MMA fans have never seen him fight. I've seen him, you've seen him and yes - it was impressive. But the average fan now has only heard of him. His legacy doesn't exist anymore than the mystique he has. He has the same reputation to the average fan that Kimbo Slice had.
So we have to go with popular opinion to determine who is best?

So Nogueira didn't mean shit until he beat Herring and Sylvia in the UFC?

Wanderlei Silva is just an overrated can because he only has 1 win in the UFC?

Cro Cop sucks ass because Gonzaga nearly decapitated him?

And by your logic...

Spencer, Franca, & Nate Diaz have a better better legacies than Kawajiri, Gomi, & Calvancante... because the average fan ever heard of them...

Ben Saunders has a better legacy than Hayato Sakurai... because who's heard of him?

Kendall Grove & Ed Herman's legacy > Jacare & Mayhem's legacy... because who's heard of him?
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How was Fujita a top heavyweight? By the time he had fought fedor he had already lost twice to cro cop and once to coleman.
All three were top heavyweights as well.
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and ten is bigger than 9 but when you see that lesnars record would consist of 90% top level competition its a little different. And while saying you dont think Lesnar will get up to around a 13 fight/win career is probably true due to the fact that he is fighting top level guys every fight... had fedor only been fighting the best there was to offer since 2001 then he would not still be fighting im sure.
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So we have to go with popular opinion to determine who is best?

So Nogueira didn't mean shit until he beat Herring and Sylvia in the UFC?

Wanderlei Silva is just an overrated can because he only has 1 win in the UFC?

Cro Cop sucks ass because Gonzaga nearly decapitated him?

And by your logic...

Spencer, Franca, & Nate Diaz have a better better legacies than Kawajiri, Gomi, & Calvancante... because the average fan ever heard of them...

Ben Saunders has a better legacy than Hayato Sakurai... because who's heard of him?

Kendall Grove & Ed Herman's legacy > Jacare & Mayhem's legacy... because who's heard of him?
I'm not saying popular opinion determines who's best. I know Fedor is going to historically the best heavyweight. HOWEVER, when you're talking to fans of MMA about legacy's, Fedor's name probably doesn't come up to the majority of fans.

Jerry Lynn is a better wrestler than 99% of WWE's workers, doesn't fucking matter because no one sees it. I'm sorry, in my opinion, being the best doesn't mean anything if you haven't proved it on the biggest stage. It's a waste of talent.

Not saying that it's Fedor's fault, I wouldn't want to be killed by the Russian mob either.
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All three were top heavyweights as well.
but he only beat one name guy in mark kerr who went on a four fight skid after that
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And don't bring up that he did it in Pride, because the fan base was less than half of what it is now.
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Not saying that it's Fedor's fault, I wouldn't want to be killed by the Russian mob either.
And thats what i think is totally unfair about all this news on fedor. Its not like he has any say on the matter what so ever. I dont know if the mob has anything to do with him but he contracted in a russian country and its not like he can just go moveto america to fight. And say he didnt get in real bad trouble for leaving m-1 and russia, it would most likely screw over his brother since he is not allowed to fight in the US and M-1 can keep him from competing and Im sure they have their hands in the japan shows as well
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Another way to say it.

Earl Manigault was probably one of the greatest players ever in the game of basketball. Beat a lot of top name NBA players while in New York but the average basketball fan wouldn't recognize his name. On the other hand, Michael Jordan - everyone could probably tell you his number (origional), even if they weren't basketball fans.

Legacy, is created by how many people saw you do what you do best, and cared enough to talk about you. Not skill.

You specifically responded to someone mentioning legacy, hence my point.
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And thats what i think is totally unfair about all this news on fedor. Its not like he has any say on the matter what so ever. I dont know if the mob has anything to do with him but he contracted in a russian country and its not like he can just go moveto america to fight. And say he didnt get in real bad trouble for leaving m-1 and russia, it would most likely screw over his brother since he is not allowed to fight in the US and M-1 can keep him from competing and Im sure they have their hands in the japan shows as well
Agreed.

I love Fedor, I would LOVE to see him fight in the UFC. Him fighting in Strikeforce isn't hurting my opinion of him, I just think it's a shame he's going to become such a non-event.
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you can't multiply lesnars wins like that. it's a ridiculous comparison to make. in 30 fights fedor will have learnt a hell of a lot more, regardless of how good the competition is. plus in 30 fights fedors opponents have had more chance to try and work out his game, while lesnars is improving at a rapid rate cause he is still quite new to the sport, so he is more difficult to predict. frank mir's "getting hit by your little sister" comment pretty much attests to that.

plus fedor's style isn't all that traditional. he throws some outrageously loose haymakers compared to other fighters but it gives his game a bit more dimension as you see him throwing a wild right only to catch the opponent off with a sharp left and take him down.
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and ten is bigger than 9 but when you see that lesnars record would consist of 90% top level competition its a little different. And while saying you dont think Lesnar will get up to around a 13 fight/win career is probably true due to the fact that he is fighting top level guys every fight... had fedor only been fighting the best there was to offer since 2001 then he would not still be fighting im sure.
Agreed... Winning 9 fights in a row against top compitition is more impressive than beating a few cans along the way to pad the resume.

I agree with that. It's why Randy Couture's 16-9 record isn't as bad as it looks.

However you're assuming that Brock can get 6 or 7 top flight wins... Which his talent and size would dictate that he can. I just don't know if he'll still do it. Fedor has, depending on varying opinions, 8 to 13 top flight victories already...

If both run their respective tables...

Fedor = 13 to 18 victories
Brock = 10 victories

In which case...

Fedor would have 13 to 18 wins against top flight compitition in 36 fights
Brock would have 10 victories against top flight compitition in 12 fights...

That would then be up to opinion. I can see your point though winning 12 fights 10 of them versus the very best is very impressive. Maybe more impressive than Fedor.
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you can't multiply lesnars wins like that. it's a ridiculous comparison to make. in 30 fights fedor will have learnt a hell of a lot more, regardless of how good the competition is. plus in 30 fights fedors opponents have had more chance to try and work out his game, while lesnars is improving at a rapid rate cause he is still quite new to the sport, so he is more difficult to predict. frank mir's "getting hit by your little sister" comment pretty much attests to that.

plus fedor's style isn't all that traditional. he throws some outrageously loose haymakers compared to other fighters but it gives his game a bit more dimension as you see him throwing a wild right only to catch the opponent off with a sharp left and take him down.
and your right, but i honestly think that if fedor never steps foot in the ufc, lesnar will accumulate a record that while may not be as inflated, would be just as if not more impressive
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Agreed... Winning 9 fights in a row against top compitition is more impressive than beating a few cans along the way to pad the resume.

I agree with that. It's why Randy Couture's 16-9 record isn't as bad as it looks.

However you're assuming that Brock can get 6 or 7 top flight wins... Which his talent and size would dictate that he can. I just don't know if he'll still do it. Fedor has, depending on varying opinions, 8 to 13 top flight victories already...

If both run their respective tables...

Fedor = 13 to 18 victories
Brock = 10 victories

In which case...

Fedor would have 13 to 18 wins against top flight compitition in 36 fights
Brock would have 10 victories against top flight compitition in 12 fights...

That would then be up to opinion. I can see your point though winning 12 fights 10 of them versus the very best is very impressive. Maybe more impressive than Fedor.
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we don't really know what lesnar can do yet though. it's all been very promising so far but in a couple of fights opponents are going to be able to find holes in his game. i mean lesnar might be able to put his weight on fedor and GNP, but i am willing to bet if the fight ever happens fedor would win by armbar while that was happening.

it is a hard one to judge though. neither has been KO'd so you don't know who out of them has the better chin, really. even if brock works on his submission defense fedor is a far more flexible guy who would be able to pull out the unexpected.
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We did from the start it's just opinions we got crossed up on...

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lol, we're always good brother. I think it's same scenario. We each are getting stuck on totally different points and confusing it for an argument (a friendly one albeit).
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Another way to say it.

Earl Manigault was probably one of the greatest players ever in the game of basketball. Beat a lot of top name NBA players while in New York but the average basketball fan wouldn't recognize his name. On the other hand, Michael Jordan - everyone could probably tell you his number (origional), even if they weren't basketball fans.

Legacy, is created by how many people saw you do what you do best, and cared enough to talk about you. Not skill.

You specifically responded to someone mentioning legacy, hence my point.
I know who "The Goat" is, but you're point is well said.

Legacy was perhaps the wrong term... I should have said resume.

I think Fedor's resume will be better than Lesnars...

Unfortunatly, legacy has to do with fame not how good you are...

More people know who Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning are than Geroge Mikan and Oscar Robertson despite the fact that the latter are two of the best to ever play the game.

More people know who Jose Consaco is than Joe Jacksons is...

It's the trouble with Legacies unless you were mythical when you played (like Babe Ruth) you'll be forgotten in time.

50 years from now both Fedor and Lesnar will be distant memories to even the most hardcore MMA fans. In 50 years neither will be in the Top 20 MMA heavyweigths of all time.
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Now that I agree with... unless Dana manages to sign up guys like Fabricio and Overeem and Lesnar walks through them in addition to the rest of the UFC heavyweight division.
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