Vince not happy with current product
 

REALLY are you serious I really think Vince has gone senile on us

I just want your opinions on the current product and why Vince can't create new stars. I'll start

1.You fired TBK

2.You wont hire someone who is actually good like Takeshi Morishima based soley on his look(ie he doesnt look like he eats steroids for breakfast with a side of bovine growth hormone)

3.You don't listen period

1. Kendrick had a piss poor attitude and it was highly believed that he smoked pot (which isn't a suspension on the wellness policy, but is really not the best choice).

2. It's an industry based on ascetics. People NEED to have a look to make it. Not everyone is going to have the same look. Rey and Yokozuna, both former champions and main eventers, are a solid example that all you need is the perfect timing.

3. Like arm chair booking really works :roll:
There's a reason WWE is as big as it is. Because they're doing something right. Allow the arm chair bookers to take Cena out of the main event, and WWE will lose so much money on revenue. They can't take a guy like El Generico and push him to the main event because no one knows about him and I doubt the WWE fans will care about him.
Until you're running a wrestling promotion, shut up.

thats exactly right, he cant create new talent because he goes on looks and not talent, and people think its bullshit.

honestly tell me what wwe wrestler is good enough to work the indy scene (includes roh)

upper midcard/ main eventers i mean

whats wrong with having a joint after work fourfiddy?

Jericho can work anything

yeah but jericho is just awesome everywhere

Well someone had to say it.... :shifty:

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This seems like a really impractical wardrobe choice.

*gasp* you said the 'w' word

We all know Jericho is the man.

I was partly joking about TBK but you just know if he was a higher profile talent they would have let him slide.

Takeshi Morishima has a look its just that Vince is bent on having his workers conform to some ideal from the 80s
Another case is Elijah Burke guy had it all but they could find nothing for him to do I said before how they could lose a talent like that is beyond me.

I'm not saying take out Cena but he wasn't always the top guy there was a time when his name couldn't sell a blessed thing but you have to start somewhere.
I'm just saying the top spot seems so locked up right now with the same 3 or 4 names ending shows.There was a Raw a while back that made it look like they were gonna push MVP to the moon only for it to fizzle and while hes still top tier he couldve honestly been a main event opponent to Randy as during this time Cena actually took something of a backseat feud with Big Show and no oe seemed to mind.

The last two major boom periods were centered around different demographics. When Hulkamania was runnin' wild it was to a bunch of kids.
Then they got sick of saying their prayers, eating their vitamins, and training. These kids were growing up and they realized their childhood was based on a shallow promise. Yes, the cake is a lie.
Enter the Rattlesnake
So you take a typical bad guy, make him a good guy, but he still acts bad. It was perfect. I would like to see WWE try to repeat this process after WrestleMania (so we're done with the guest hosts on Raw). Have Triple H align himself with John Cena to form a second version of the power trip or the corpration. For years they have been the top faces, now make the fans hate them. The younger kids are so emotionally invested in the product that they're going to love them or hate them. The older fans are going to enjoy it, much like a heel version of Edge. Take a group of younger guys who are chomping at the bit (Morrision, Ted DiBiase, Curt Hawkins, Kofi) who are sick and tired of guys being handed title shot after title shot, and go from there.

I'm not saying it'll work. This is just what I'd like.

I firmly believe that if Linda McMahon's political life wasn't associated with WWE then we would see more action in the ring.
If some yard tard got hurt and no political stings were attached, "well we do the don't try this at home warning every hour." However, with Linda having an image to uphold if some yard tard breaks his neck because he's an untrained idiot it's a fiasco.
All of WWE's problems right now root to Linda McMahon.

Armchair booking? :shifty:

Yes, there was a pot upon my door step wanting to share a few words with me.

However, I'm keeping in mind that there is merchandising and egos on the line.

If only you had some link to the WWE and could get a job with Creative. :shifty:

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I like though I'd love john Cena solo as a heel actually I liked him more as a heel than this try hard aw shucks good guy he now portrays. I have a feeling hed love it too.Turning someone like Orton face on the other hand wouldnt be easy and probably has to be more carefully booked his turn could be facilitaed by generating sympathy for his character and having him in something of a Punisher-esqe role wherein hes not necessarily a good person and keeps most if not all of his heel traits but his motivations are more vengance driven than any real change of face.

Wait, so are you guys agreeing or disagreeing with Vince?

agreeing with his product sucking

also saying its his fault (by proxy)

I HAVE NO LOYALTIES!!!!

I agree that Raw is crap. ECW and Smackdown are good.

It's Vinces own fault for not creating new stars because the only new guys that get pushed are no talent hosses, thus he has to rely on guys that are already there.

There's a thousand Elijah Burkes, Brian Kendrick's and everyone else they've released in the past 7 years out there. Trust me, these guys were not going to amount to anything special. Only a small percent ever do. It's been the nature of the wreslting business forever to push guys in and shove them out within a couple years. Not very many wrestlers last for a very long time.

And no, Vince does not only push no talent hosses. see HHH, Edge, Bret, Benoit, Guerrero, HBK, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Randy Savage, Rock, Taker, Cena, Orton, MVP, and on and on

I suppose I shouldn't have made that sweeping generality... However, for ever one that you mentioned (sans Cena) there are 10 Chris "Piss Break" Masters.

I will only say that vince sucks the writers suck and steph sucks

Not only hosses I know but that By and large his M.O . Taker is a very talented big man but still considered a big man

steph does suck :P

They are making money, which has to count for something.

really? how much does she charge?

I'm not sure if you are trying to be "funny". But she's the VP of Creative.

Like that Jeff Hardy guy?

Yea just like that guy....what happened to him anyways :)

So do you like the creative development than Kami?

cartoon boobies.

After reading the title of this thread i thought there was going to be some proof of Vince admitting he isn't happy with the product atm, i was sadly dissapointed.

For what ever it's worth...

Credit: F4WOnline.com

- Vince McMahon has been upset with the product as of late and has been heard complaining about the company's inability to create new stars. During a recent creative meeting, McMahon actually said, "G** D*****! WHY CAN'T WE CREATE NEW STARS?"

:lol:

John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler and to a lesser extent, Cryme Tyme, are being developed nicely over on SmackDown!. But basically the WWE doesn't really listen to the fans, or realise when they really have a hot thing. There's way too much of a glass ceiling for anyone who is not "there" yet to make it there.

I thought we hated Vince Russo around here, but it seems like your idea is almost a complete rip off of the New Blood vs Millionaires Club angle in WCW that everyone bitched about 9 years ago, which was partly at least done by Vince Russo.

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Truthfully, if the WWE wants to create stars, they might be better off getting some of their guys that aren't exactly lighting the world on fire on RAW (Jack Swagger, MVP, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, etc.) and swapping them for guys on RAW who are getting over and getting made to look like stars (John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler, Shad Gaspard, JTG, etc.).

The problem isn't the talent, the problem is the show.

The last time anyone was 'made' on Raw was Jeff Hardy with his feud with Orton, he's the last guy to step up from the mid card scene into the main event on that show. That was 18 months ago.

Anyone that they are bringing in from other brands are being treated as inferior to not threaten the top guys spots.

Look, we all know what would need to be done, top guys, need to have proper feuds with mid card guys to get them noticed. That just doesn't happen on Raw, and that is the problem. It's the direction of the show, Orton/HHH/Cena have been the top guys on that show for 2 years now and with the above exception of Hardy (bats was on smackdown and came to Raw recently granted, he's in that club as well), no one has been allowed in that little club, I'm not blaming them, I'm blaming Vince and the booking, it's his own fault for protecting his cash cows and not trying to create new ones and now it's coming to bite him in the ass.

Now Smackdown on the other hand has been a breath of fresh air, it's re-juvinating guys you didn't care about (Knox, Finlay, Rey) and promoting guys into the spot light (Hardy, Punk) the depressing thing is, at the next draft, Raw will get the likes of Punk, Ziggler etc over there, they will do nothing with them, then it will be their fault for not getting over and they will get lost into obscurity (see Ref: MVP)

So Vince, this is your own stupid fault, how in the hell this happened is beyond me, you must have 200 wrestlers on the books and yet all you have is a handful of stars

Dave youell speaks the truth.

I don't care what internet fans think; Vince is unable to create new stars because of the simple fact that his current stars have very little genuine charisma. Let's face it, you can hate Hulk Hogan all you want because he supposedly can't put on a face paced wrestling match, or because we think he helped destory WCW, but he is mostly responsible for each big boom in the business. Of course I can't leave out Austin or The Rock, who were also responsible for the boom in the very late 90's. But let's just say that there isn't anything new under the sun, and the fans that are left realize it. I never liked the John Cena character from the get go, and I think Vince is lucky that he got most people to buy into it. Orton and whomever is left in the main event scene aren't all that exciting either. It is possible that this group of guys could be Vince's last stand in the business before he pisses them all off and they go work for TNA......wait that sounds slightly familiar.

the problem is that vince it trying to create stars that are a little bit against the system, have unnecessary ground 'pop' moves, and try to be funny on the mic *cough* john cena *cough*

basically he is trying to forcefully recreate the rock and austin and as we know those characters developed over time, you cant just force it otherwise people will reject it *cough* john cena *cough*

but still raw gets the highest ratings, WTF people, W.T.F?

I agree with what Dave Youell said

On Raw, I think its all their fault. kofi is MAD fucking over, ever since MITB has been hot as shit, and could be a legit star someday, but they dont do shit with him. They plop the US title on him, and what has he done in the way of stories? he is just in the background.

They started to bring out the Miz, and buried him under Cena.

They have no one to blame but themselves. They loaded raw with so many big names, the little guys cant step out and become stars.

I think this all overblown. This "Generation" will be gone in 5 years, but will only lose HHH, HBK, Taker big Show and Jericho.

They will still have Cena, Orton, Punk, Edge, Hardy (perhaps) and the young guys they have now, who will be fine in 5 years.

oh dear, the future looks pretty sad, bar punk and edge

This is true, of course. I've been saying it for ages that RAW actually has got the talent to be at least on-par with SmackDown!, but maybe when the WWE sees the guys I mentioned successful on one show so vividly then contrast to RAW, they'll make some changes.

Vince needs to either step down and stfu, surround himself with people that aren't yes men and stfu, or not let his retarded little ego get in the way of hiring people and stfu.

In each case he needs to stfu. :yes:

I truly believe Kofi Kingston should be teaming with Triple H at Summerslam to face Legacy. DX is all well and good, but why not try and sell some Triple H shirts and some Kofi shirts by putting those two together for a match? Shawn Michaels could have stayed off and had a more impressive comeback, and Kofi could have gotten a big moment in the sun with Triple H.

And by the way, no, I do not really believe that the WWE will learn when they fuck up with the next bunch of talent they draft over to RAW -- they haven't before. The contrast between SmackDown! and RAW has been more prominently clear than it has been since the Heyman days, though.

Which reminds me: Heyman booking one show; Hayes the other. Now there is an interesting WWE landscape for ya.

what if vince 'future endeavored' himself? would it be like dividing by zero?

Even if they wanted to use Michaels regularly, it just works against them a bit to keep HBK and Triple H contained to programs in the same space. While Triple H is feuding with someone, HBK can be doing something else.

It sort of upsets me that for HBK's return we didn't get Sexy Boy, either. I think Shawn Michaels is important enough to warrant his own comeback.

The WWE would still sell DX shirts even if they don't do the reunion shit every couple of months, wouldn't they? Can't they just do one backstage segment together, and pump a new shirt, before going back to their own thing?

One thing that really annoyed me about DX since it's been back, and I'm not sure if you'll agree with me because you might feel that it is for Kliq guys, but there have been no real attempts to actually use the DX name, and get new members in, to aid in them getting over.

I think anyone that joins up with DX is instantly going to be a massive face for the company, and can move some t-shirts of their own.

disregard my post

thats why i said disregard my post

its the little problems that make the major ones more noticeable

BDC, thank god your back.

Well it's being booked better right now than it has in years.

Well the truth is that Mysterio should never have been WHC and should have been IC champ a long time ago. I don't really want Rey in the ME scene, so this works.

Plus, when was the last time the IC title actually main evented a Raw or SD before Rey became Champ?

I think your dislike for Mysterio is clouding your judgment here. Mysterio has definitely brought cred back to the IC title.

Exactly.