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Old 08-20-2009, 09:00 PM   #1
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Vince not happy with current product
REALLY are you serious I really think Vince has gone senile on us

I just want your opinions on the current product and why Vince can't create new stars. I'll start

1.You fired TBK

2.You wont hire someone who is actually good like Takeshi Morishima based soley on his look(ie he doesnt look like he eats steroids for breakfast with a side of bovine growth hormone)

3.You don't listen period
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:07 PM   #2
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REALLY are you serious I really think Vince has gone senile on us

I just want your opinions on the current product and why Vince can't create new stars. I'll start

1.You fired TBK

2.You wont hire someone who is actually good like Takeshi Morishima based soley on his look(ie he doesnt look like he eats steroids for breakfast with a side of bovine growth hormone)

3.You don't listen period
1. Kendrick had a piss poor attitude and it was highly believed that he smoked pot (which isn't a suspension on the wellness policy, but is really not the best choice).

2. It's an industry based on ascetics. People NEED to have a look to make it. Not everyone is going to have the same look. Rey and Yokozuna, both former champions and main eventers, are a solid example that all you need is the perfect timing.

3. Like arm chair booking really works
There's a reason WWE is as big as it is. Because they're doing something right. Allow the arm chair bookers to take Cena out of the main event, and WWE will lose so much money on revenue. They can't take a guy like El Generico and push him to the main event because no one knows about him and I doubt the WWE fans will care about him.
Until you're running a wrestling promotion, shut up.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:08 PM   #3
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thats exactly right, he cant create new talent because he goes on looks and not talent, and people think its bullshit.

honestly tell me what wwe wrestler is good enough to work the indy scene (includes roh)

upper midcard/ main eventers i mean
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:10 PM   #4
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While I agree with 450, there is a point to be made about Vince limiting the product and wanting gold. You don't give one man a pick ax and tell him to move a mountain in 3 days and expect it to be finished.
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While I agree with 450, there is a point to be made about Vince limiting the product to push Linda's political career because a family friendly product will get her more votes.
Well someone had to say it....
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Well someone had to say it....
Not just that even. The wrestling fucking sucks. No one is allowed to actaully wrestle. I saw one suplex between ECW, Superstars, and Smackdown tuesday at the taping.
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Not just that even. The wrestling fucking sucks. No one is allowed to actaully wrestle. I saw one suplex between ECW, Superstars, and Smackdown tuesday at the taping.
*gasp* you said the 'w' word
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We all know Jericho is the man.

I was partly joking about TBK but you just know if he was a higher profile talent they would have let him slide.

Takeshi Morishima has a look its just that Vince is bent on having his workers conform to some ideal from the 80s
Another case is Elijah Burke guy had it all but they could find nothing for him to do I said before how they could lose a talent like that is beyond me.

I'm not saying take out Cena but he wasn't always the top guy there was a time when his name couldn't sell a blessed thing but you have to start somewhere.
I'm just saying the top spot seems so locked up right now with the same 3 or 4 names ending shows.There was a Raw a while back that made it look like they were gonna push MVP to the moon only for it to fizzle and while hes still top tier he couldve honestly been a main event opponent to Randy as during this time Cena actually took something of a backseat feud with Big Show and no oe seemed to mind.
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The last two major boom periods were centered around different demographics. When Hulkamania was runnin' wild it was to a bunch of kids.
Then they got sick of saying their prayers, eating their vitamins, and training. These kids were growing up and they realized their childhood was based on a shallow promise. Yes, the cake is a lie.
Enter the Rattlesnake
So you take a typical bad guy, make him a good guy, but he still acts bad. It was perfect. I would like to see WWE try to repeat this process after WrestleMania (so we're done with the guest hosts on Raw). Have Triple H align himself with John Cena to form a second version of the power trip or the corpration. For years they have been the top faces, now make the fans hate them. The younger kids are so emotionally invested in the product that they're going to love them or hate them. The older fans are going to enjoy it, much like a heel version of Edge. Take a group of younger guys who are chomping at the bit (Morrision, Ted DiBiase, Curt Hawkins, Kofi) who are sick and tired of guys being handed title shot after title shot, and go from there.

I'm not saying it'll work. This is just what I'd like.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:33 PM   #16
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Not just that even. The wrestling fucking sucks. No one is allowed to actaully wrestle. I saw one suplex between ECW, Superstars, and Smackdown tuesday at the taping.
I firmly believe that if Linda McMahon's political life wasn't associated with WWE then we would see more action in the ring.
If some yard tard got hurt and no political stings were attached, "well we do the don't try this at home warning every hour." However, with Linda having an image to uphold if some yard tard breaks his neck because he's an untrained idiot it's a fiasco.
All of WWE's problems right now root to Linda McMahon.
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The last two major boom periods were centered around different demographics. When Hulkamania was runnin' wild it was to a bunch of kids.
Then they got sick of saying their prayers, eating their vitamins, and training. These kids were growing up and they realized their childhood was based on a shallow promise. Yes, the cake is a lie.
Enter the Rattlesnake
So you take a typical bad guy, make him a good guy, but he still acts bad. It was perfect. I would like to see WWE try to repeat this process after WrestleMania (so we're done with the guest hosts on Raw). Have Triple H align himself with John Cena to form a second version of the power trip or the corpration. For years they have been the top faces, now make the fans hate them. The younger kids are so emotionally invested in the product that they're going to love them or hate them. The older fans are going to enjoy it, much like a heel version of Edge. Take a group of younger guys who are chomping at the bit (Morrision, Ted DiBiase, Curt Hawkins, Kofi) who are sick and tired of guys being handed title shot after title shot, and go from there.

I'm not saying it'll work. This is just what I'd like.
Armchair booking?
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Yes, there was a pot upon my door step wanting to share a few words with me.

However, I'm keeping in mind that there is merchandising and egos on the line.
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The last two major boom periods were centered around different demographics. When Hulkamania was runnin' wild it was to a bunch of kids.
Then they got sick of saying their prayers, eating their vitamins, and training. These kids were growing up and they realized their childhood was based on a shallow promise. Yes, the cake is a lie.
Enter the Rattlesnake
So you take a typical bad guy, make him a good guy, but he still acts bad. It was perfect. I would like to see WWE try to repeat this process after WrestleMania (so we're done with the guest hosts on Raw). Have Triple H align himself with John Cena to form a second version of the power trip or the corpration. For years they have been the top faces, now make the fans hate them. The younger kids are so emotionally invested in the product that they're going to love them or hate them. The older fans are going to enjoy it, much like a heel version of Edge. Take a group of younger guys who are chomping at the bit (Morrision, Ted DiBiase, Curt Hawkins, Kofi) who are sick and tired of guys being handed title shot after title shot, and go from there.

I'm not saying it'll work. This is just what I'd like.
I like though I'd love john Cena solo as a heel actually I liked him more as a heel than this try hard aw shucks good guy he now portrays. I have a feeling hed love it too.Turning someone like Orton face on the other hand wouldnt be easy and probably has to be more carefully booked his turn could be facilitaed by generating sympathy for his character and having him in something of a Punisher-esqe role wherein hes not necessarily a good person and keeps most if not all of his heel traits but his motivations are more vengance driven than any real change of face.
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Wait, so are you guys agreeing or disagreeing with Vince?
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Wait, so are you guys agreeing or disagreeing with Vince?
agreeing with his product sucking

also saying its his fault (by proxy)
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:23 PM   #25
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I agree that Raw is crap. ECW and Smackdown are good.

It's Vinces own fault for not creating new stars because the only new guys that get pushed are no talent hosses, thus he has to rely on guys that are already there.
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:50 PM   #26
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There's a thousand Elijah Burkes, Brian Kendrick's and everyone else they've released in the past 7 years out there. Trust me, these guys were not going to amount to anything special. Only a small percent ever do. It's been the nature of the wreslting business forever to push guys in and shove them out within a couple years. Not very many wrestlers last for a very long time.

And no, Vince does not only push no talent hosses. see HHH, Edge, Bret, Benoit, Guerrero, HBK, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Randy Savage, Rock, Taker, Cena, Orton, MVP, and on and on
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:54 PM   #27
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I suppose I shouldn't have made that sweeping generality... However, for ever one that you mentioned (sans Cena) there are 10 Chris "Piss Break" Masters.
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I will only say that vince sucks the writers suck and steph sucks
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:57 PM   #29
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Not only hosses I know but that By and large his M.O . Taker is a very talented big man but still considered a big man
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:10 PM   #30
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steph does suck :P
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:12 PM   #31
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They are making money, which has to count for something.
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:17 PM   #32
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really? how much does she charge?
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:19 PM   #33
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really? how much does she charge?
I'm not sure if you are trying to be "funny". But she's the VP of Creative.
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:57 PM   #34
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I was partly joking about TBK but you just know if he was a higher profile talent they would have let him slide.
Like that Jeff Hardy guy?
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So do you like the creative development than Kami?
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Old 08-21-2009, 01:39 AM   #37
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After reading the title of this thread i thought there was going to be some proof of Vince admitting he isn't happy with the product atm, i was sadly dissapointed.
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For what ever it's worth...

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- Vince McMahon has been upset with the product as of late and has been heard complaining about the company's inability to create new stars. During a recent creative meeting, McMahon actually said, "G** D*****! WHY CAN'T WE CREATE NEW STARS?"
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