TUF 10 Discussion *SPOILERS*
 

Gonna change the thread title..

Even is Kimbo doesn't do well, I hope some decent HW's come out of this season..

Stickied it too..

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"Who is it Tank Abbott??"

LMFAO

I kinda want Kimbo to do well too, but regardless I'm sure he'll fight on atleast one UFC show after TUF, even if he loses his first fight..

Spike must seriously need to make up some commercial time from Fight Night with all of these random commercials with 30 seconds of show between. I hope next week isn't this way because it's almost unwatchable. I don't remember the last few seasons being this way.

Dialogue between Rampage and Evans reminds me of the movie Life though. :lol:

Bloody ass fight..

That was some bitch shit.. Fake shaking the hand straight to the shot..

Don't think Abe can get up Rampage

I bet if Abe coulda picked getting knocked out quick or go that whole fight look like a complete joke and get a cut bad enough where people could see his skull he would have chosen the quick knock out.

What an awful fight. Completely one sided, no offense from Abe whatsoever. Pretty bitch move on the hand shake shot too. Doesn't really seen like Abe would've won either way but still shitty.

Rampage was fricking pissed too. Can't blame him though, the dude didn't even try to defend the takedown, despite knowing it was coming over and cover.

Also, the preview of Rampage destroying the door was amazing.

It looked like he headbutted it and like the entire top third of it shatters..

Also, I realize it was the first episode but I'm glad they were more on training and the fight than "real world" like drunken shenanigans (which I know is coming)..

Can someone post a link to this episode whenever it's up (In the MMA Group obv)

I'll try to just post them all in here..

Found the vid, but couldn't embed it..

Try to get it up some time today..

Fuck it.. Can't find one to embed..

Here's a link..

Episode 1

wow, what an awful fight by Abe. I don't understand how he didn't learn to block a takedown by the 4th time. That guy deserved to be off the show. terrible preformance.

And this Wes Sims guy. wow, what a doucebag. I can't wait to see this guy destroyed. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he boast about having 2 consecutive victories over Frank Mir? I thought he was serious and I am thinking "wow, that's pretty good." Then I go look up the fights and the fucking guy got DQ'ed in the first fight and lost in the 2nd fight. And he doesn't even have a great MMA record. He's all talk, but seems to be a guy that can't back it up.

Kimbo is the man. love him. can't wait till he fights

I think that Wes Shivers guy played football at Mississippi State and has fought here locally..

Yeah, def got to pull for him now..

you're talking about a different guy though, right?

I thought his name was Wes Simms

Yeah, Wes "A Whole Show" Sims (LOL "a-hole show") is the douche who has fought in the UFC before.. Wes Shivers biggest fight was on an EliteXC undercard..

He also went on to say that he wont let the truth get in the way of a good story

yea, I heard that. he's like "that guy" that we've all encountered in sports. He'll talk a huge game, always call for the ball or whatever, but he never gets the job done.

and then that other guy (forget his name) that thought he was the "surprise" and not Kimbo. he looks like he is in poor shape. I think he's going to get killed

Reavant, why are you not on that show? I'm pretty sure you would do a lot better this that Abe clown. I think he just gave up like 40 seconds into the 2nd round

Roy "Big Country" Nelson was the last IFL HW Champ.. He's a pretty good banger but looked like he'd put on 40+lbs since the last time I saw him..

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There is Shivers in EliteXC..

Looking at his record, any time Nelson has faced any fighter of "note" he has lost.. Arlovski, Monson, even Ben Rothwell..

Madsen beat Lesnar a bunch of times in high school/college wrestling, so he could have some of th greatest defense and theyd still probably look the same

FTR, Deuce McAllister whooped Wes Shivers in a brawl at the Egg Bowl (Ole Miss Vs State) like 10 years ago..

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DEEEEEEUUUUCCCEEE!!

:wavesad:

HOLY FUCK at that cut...move over Marvin Eastman

Nelson is a beast, and from what I hear, he's supposed to be getting an attitude adjustment (of the non Lex Luger or John Cena variety) because of his ego or whatever.

I would pick him over half the field, possibly to win it all. However, if the guy who was a #1 draft pick has any game, he could go all the way as well.

Simms seems like Junie Browning in many respects, only at least Browning can be written off as small man syndrome/inbred/meth addict. Simms is just an asshole.

I think they're gonna be dedicating several episodes strictly to Kimbo learning ground game (which is smart), his fight will be last, and whoever he's up against will rape him worst than Abe got raped.

Im figuring he'll win his first fight but lose before the Finale.. Either way, the show is gonna pretty much mean that Kimbo will have atleast a few UFC fights at UFC events.. I mean, even if he loses his first fight, think of an UFN with him headlining.. Record ratings I'm sure.. Dana put him on the show is just the first step to letting him fight in the UFC.. Smart on Dana White's part, if you ask me..

man rampage is a fucking awful coach. basically picked all the beefcakes and his advice is basically to do what needs doing, with no description of how to actually do it. rashad is going to piss all over him in this series.

Really all depends on how talented the fighters actually are.. I know Wes Shivers is a good fighter, as an example.. Rampage is more the figure head but his "assistant coaches" are the one who are gonna come up with the gameplan.. I mean, with Greg Jackson on the sideline, do you really think Rashad Evans is coming up with strategy, etc??

The one who wins in the Octagon will get the last laugh. Too bad it's been rescheduled.

No, but he obviously understands that you have to pick based on skill and not on who you like or think looks jacked up. Picking guys that way is what Vince McMahon does.

thats another thing though. rashad has greg jackson on his side, who does rampage have? obviously team rampage are gonna win a few but it won't be down to anything rampage has done at all.

But, at the same time, besides training with him, it'll be based on nothing Rashad had done either.. The only reason UFC fighters are on the show is for entertainment value.. TUF made Matt Hughes a villain.. It made people realize how crazy Shamrock really was.. Etc.. The "coaches" are only there to bring star power..

i guess, but at least when rashad is shouting advice from ringside it might actually influence what happens. rampage shouting "GET UP" 500 times isn't going to do shit.

I think nit was more that he could tell he had made a bad match pick and that Abe couldn't do shit off his back, let alone stuff the takedown..

It did not even look like Abe was throwing punches when the other guy was in close enough and shooting on him. It was a pretty one-sided fight. Bloody as hell, too.

I dislike Rashad. I hope Rampage kicks his head off

Steve Mazzagatti is such a piece of shit tho. That was massive blood loss. Should have stopped the fight, even though it wasn't in his eyes, just for safety.

It reminded me of Lytle V Koscheck, craaaaaaazy bloooooooood

So how far do you guys think Kimbo will go? One and done? All the way?

I'll say he wins one..then loses his second.

what would you do if the judges awarded the fight to abe?

Dana White would have murdered them..

So yeah obv Kimbo gets dummied
 

No way is he ready for big Roy Nelson. I mean I heard the rumours before hand that he got taken out earlier, but really... Roys is just the worst possible matchup for him.

WOOOOO

Kimbo vs. Big Country

so do i have to watch rampage talking shit and being the worst cornerman of all time for a season and not even get to see him potentially have his arse handed to him at the end? gutted.

I don't know how kimbo will be able to last past 2 minutes against Nelson. You never know though.

I say we make a pool to see how long he lasts.

Tonight's fight was another awful fight.

I really can't believe they gave that fight to James.. I had Shivers ahead in both rounds..

I think Kimbo will do well against Nelson.. It looks like his ground game is 10 times better than when he was in EliteXC (thanks to Bas Rutten) and he is a monster when it comes to banging..

DUNNO

Wes shut down after 2 minutes, Shivers kept striking with leg kicks

I think i missed Rampage killing the door

What was Rampage thinking when he picked that match?

Fight was extremely boring. One point the two of them where standing like 10 feet from each other with their hands on their knees for like 10 seconds wtf? That Mcsweeny(what an awesome name) guy was very unimpressive. For being Rashad's number 1 pick he wasn't that good at all. Striking wasn't really that fluid, his takedown defense was laughable(he basically fell over when the big dude had his ankle) and his cardio looked non existent. I see that dude being destroyed, if put in the ring with anyone with some good wrestling and a little bit of stamina.

I am seriously hoping Kimbo knocks Roy the fuck out next week. Really don't like the guy, and the Kimbo/Rampage interactions are pretty funny.

lol, what? There's no way I would bet against Roy Nelson in this fight. He has just as much punching power as Kimbo but he knows just about everything else as well.

I'm wondering if Dana's plan was to have Kimbo lose to a man that looks less than physically imposing. lol. To the casual fan that doesn't know Roy Nelson he looks like a fat slob.

Watch casuals fans say "Kimbo lost to THAT guy?"

I really wouldn't say he has just as much punching power as Kimbo.. He only has one KO in his whole career.. Only way he wins is by taking Kimbo down..

Yeah if it goes to the ground I can see Kimbo getting submitted fairly easily.

I'm hoping Roy tries to go out there to prove a point, and stands with Kimbo. Goes all out for the knockout while not respecting Kimbo's ko power, thus leading to him getting his face raped by Kimbo's fist's.

I thought Shivers won the fight too. It was pretty even in RD1, but Shivers had him down on the ground for a while n RD 2. Fuck though, he had him in a choke, but let him out. Shivers didn't really deserve it though. He gassed very quick and just kind of stood there with his hands on his hips most of the time.

very excited for next week. I have a feeling some of you guys will be surprised. I think Kimbo will take it

That choke wasn't in deep. I would have given it to Shivers too but having your hands on your knees for half the fight leaves and awful impression on the judges. Both those guys were terrible.

Roy Nelson should destroy Kimbo. All sports logic dictates Nelson tapping in the first round. Though that good old "punchers chance" thing is still in effect.

I'll have to rewatch it. It looked like he had it in deep enough to where he could of leaned back and just taken it.

and something about this Kimbo/Nelson fight is just screaming upset to me. I feel like they are setting everyone up to think Nelson is going to kill him. we'll see.

I'm not a Kimbo fan, nor a Roy fan, but I kind of think Kimbo wins this. I think this season of TUF will bomb if Kimbo loses. After two awful fights it's the only way. Plus, Spike TV is hyping up Kimbo big time, I think he's going the distance.

wes shivers is the same person

hes had 6 actually

not to mention the coaches arent fighting anymore

No he has had one. Learn the difference between a KO and a TKO. Also that edit button is there for a reason...

:roll: if a punch drops a guy and he follows them down and finishes them with strikes, its still testimate to his KO power fucking n00b

I have a feeling these big dudes are gonna get tired really quickly lugging all that meat around. McSweeney could have had him but I guess he was probably scared of getting knocked the fuck out so he didn't capitalize.

Nobody said anything about his knockout power jackass. You stated that he has had 6 KO's which is false, as he has only had 1. Thanks for the new word though. Testimate lmao. Oh and I see you figured out that edit function too. Way to go kiddo.

Yeah I can see this being one of the more boring TUF, at least when it comes to the fights. So far we've had four fighters show us their skills inside the cage and I've yet to see anything slightly impressive. Hopefully things pick up next week, and considering who is fighting they definitely should.

Also just read about how John Madsen beat Brock in a high school wrestling match. Pretty neat little tidbit I thought.

Pretty much what Reav said. Almost every fight I've seen Big Roy in he's knocked a guy on his ass via a huge punch. Not to say KOs and TKO are the same thing but I think my point is still proven either way.

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I hope Newsteads spoiler is WRONG

Roy Nelson has a black belt in BJJ from Renzo Gracie apparently too. Bye Kimbo.

It's just a rumour, I don't know if it's true or not. But considering Kimbo got his ass handed to him my both Seth Petruzelli and James Thompson up until he got that lucky ass stoppage, I dunno, I have to say a true badass like Roy Nelson is gonna have his way with him.

no chance Kimbo wins unless Dana White pays Nelson to go down.

Someone on here was stating he has been doing a lot of training since then.

way to read all the posts in the thread dumbass

any link to the second episode btw?

A solid fighter, even under trained, does not look like a fish out of water against c level fighters.

It'd be nice to see him do well, I'll just believe it when i see it.

he'll probably lose and get a second chance in the tournament or something

i imagine if he fucks it up this time he'll be back next time theres a heavyweight TUF. dana would probably pay the guy to go train with the best in everything everywhere, just because the guy is worth that much to him businesswise.

I thought Shivers won that fight. The first round was a toss-up, but the second should have went to Shivers. I think what lost him the fight was a lack of octagon control, not taking the fight to the other guy and his mid-round rest breaks.

But in terms of fighting, I think he hurt McSweeney more than McSweeney hurt him.

I think the first round was no question shivers and the second was a tossup

IM CALLING IT RIGHT NOW!!!


Kimbo loses to roy. Someone gets injured or cant fight for some reason, and kimbo steps in to take his place.

Wow my bad I phrased my sentence wrong. I never said anything about his KO power before you attacked me for proving you wrong.(I mean how hard is it to read a wikipedia page?) And if you wanna keep up the personal attacks I can do that all day you chicken dick fuck wad lol.

well considering wikipedia is not factual information most of the time because it is edited by the users of the site, forgive me if i dont read that bull shit.

The only difference between a KO and a TKO is how quickly the ref steps in. So theyre really not that different are they? And considering the point I was making, before you decided to poke your ass into the picture, I was right to count the two as the same. Especially considering any site that keeps stats on fighters (sherdog, mmafighter, etc)groups them the same as well (not really too hard too look at one of those?).

But if you want to be an incoherent n00b and troll the forums then please be my guest.

dude, shut up. you have like 17 posts here.

whos sock is he?... he fires back like fabien but he gave me shit on a post where I was correcting krispy. Id say it could be krispy but me and him like eachother. spelling errors and debating the precise definition of a word is not rob's style and rob is too smart to reference wikipedia. so whos sock are you mcnasty???

Apparently Wiki is more accurate than the encyclopedia britania or some shit :O

Im hoping Kimbo makes it past next episode...cuz lets be honest, we're all really watching this for Kimbo now that Rampage and Rashad arent even going to duke it out.

I still don't see how you can class a TKO and a KO as the same thing. They are not! The simple fact that a TKO can be awarded if a fighter receives a cut and the ref decides the fighter is unfit to continue should tell you that. I'm going to count you as being retarded if you keep that argument up.

Wikipedia might be questionable about some of its facts, but was it wrong this time about Roy's record? No. So I don't see how you corrected Krispy in the first place when he was right all along, and you where wrong.

Why am I a sock? Because I called you out for making a stupid statement, and trying to pass it off as a fact?

Oh and Loose Cannon hop off my nuts kid. Nobody is talking to you.

Theres a reason why stats classify them in the same category. While TKO does encompas cuts, fighters unable to finish, etc. it also includes when fighters are out and taking shots and the ref has to stop the fight. Did you catch that? The fighter is out... taking shots... and the ref steps in to stop it. Now this happens a lot when the ref isnt fast enough to catch it or when the fighter is completely out but their bodies are still moving (in a way that doesnt make sense because their cognitivly unconscious). But theyre still out.

Now if you look back to the whole reason we;re talking about this anyway, Krispy was discrediting Roys punching power when he had 6 victories via KO/TKO with those TKOs being the result of punches which means the fighters were out. Which would tell Krispy that Roy has power because to put people out you need power.
But if you think its just me saying this or that "im crazy" heres the stats exactly how you see them at sherdog.

Name: Roy Nelson
Nick Name: Big Country

Record: 13 - 4 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)

Wins: 6 (T)KOs ( 46.15 %)
4 Submissions ( 30.77 %)
3 Decisions ( 23.08 %)

Losses: 1 (T)KOs ( 25 %)
3 Decisions ( 75 %)

Weight: 249lbs (113kg)
Birth Date: 1976-06-20
City: Las Vegas
Country: USA


Oh and the reason you are a sock is because you know whats going on around here and because 17 posts into your time here your already combative instead of getting acclimated to the people in the forum. That tells me youve been through that all before and you want to either come in and show off a shittier side of your personality because your a coward and you want everyone to like you with your other name,or you have been banned and this is the way your coming back. Not to mention you have a gimmick user name.

Of course maybe you really are new here and you developed your personality in a car crash and this is how you are in real life with the people around you. Which if you are new here Id have to say Id classify YOU as retarded because Loose Cannon is the MOD here and you just told him off. :y:

I get what you're saying, but there IS a difference between a Technical Knockout (TKO), and a Knock Out.

Technical Knockouts can be had by a referee looking in the best interests of the opposing combatant.

But, it still is proof that he has power.

If Kimbo loses, I won't watch this show anymore, I'm calling it now. No point without Kimbo. Why spend so much effort pumping it, and hyping it down my throat if Kimbo doesn't do well?

I don't care about any of these has beens, or never will be's. Kimbo is why they're getting my ratings.